From Saturday to Sunday, what are the reasons given.

[Hobie]

The Day of the Sun borrowed from where, lets go over this article........
"Constantine’s Sunday Law

Thus a gradual change from Sabbath observance to Sunday observance came in after the first centuries of the Christian Era had passed, especially among the Western churches. The more the pagan world came to favor Christianity, and the further removed the church became from the influence of the apostolic example of the first century, the more Sunday observance and the other heathen festivals prevailed. This change, covering centuries, was greatly helped by Constantine’s civil law of 321 in favor of the first day of the week, which banned work on that day in the cities, and commanded the people to rest on “the venerable day of the sun.” This famous decree said nothing about the “Lord’s day,” but was promulgated apparently for the purpose of finally establishing a heathen festival. This law of Constantine’s is quoted in the old Chambers’s Encyclopedia, in its article “Sabbath,” as follows OF 169.7

“‘Let all judges, inhabitants of the cities, and artificers, rest on the venerable day of the sun. But in the country, husbandmen may freely and lawfully apply to the business of agriculture; since it often happens that the-sowing of corn and the planting of vines cannot be so advantageously performed on any other day’DOF 170.1

“But it was not until the year 538 that abstinence from agricultural labor was recommended, rather than enjoined, by an ecclesiastical authority (the third Council of Orleans), and this expressly that people might have more leisure to go to church and say their prayers.”DOF 170.2

From the Encyclopedia Britannica we read OF 170.3

“The earliest recognition of the observance of Sunday as a legal duty is a constitution of Constantine in 321 AD., enacting that all courts of justice, inhabitants of towns, and workshops were to be at rest on Sunday (venerabili die solis), with an exception in favor of those engaged in agricultural labor.”—Article “Sunday,” vol. 26 (11th ed.), p. 95.DOF 170.4

This, then, is admittedly the very first law for the observance of Sunday, the first day of the week, and it is made, not by “the Lord from heaven,” our, one and only Lawgiver, but by Emperor Constantine, who was of questionable character, and whose sympathies were more with paganism than with Christianity. Even this was not an ecclesiastical law of the church at that time, but merely a civil law made by the ruling emperor, and it was made in the fourth century after Christ, too late, it seems to us, to deserve any recognition from Christians as establishing a Christian institution which they are bound, under penalty of sin, to recognize; and, besides, it comes from a very questionable source.DOF 170.5

The fact seems to be that Constantine’s law for Sunday observance was not made for the purpose of favoring and establishing a Christian day of worship at all, but to enforce a pagan festival upon Christians and pagans alike, Mr. Canright’s argument to the contrary notwithstanding. Thus his law, instead of commanding rest upon “the Lord’s day,” commands it “on the venerable day of the sun.” He did not recognize Sunday as a Christian ordinance, but as a day sacred to the sun-god worshipped by the pagan world. It was the holy day of Mithraism, the great rival of Christianity. His law, therefore, was not for the purpose of enforcing Christianity on the pagans under his jurisdiction but for enforcing the new paganism upon the Christians.DOF 171.1 ...

Dean Stanley declares OF 173.1

“The retention of the old pagan name ‘Dies Solis,’ or ‘Sunday,’ for the weekly Christian festival, is, in great measure, owing to the union of pagan and Christian sentiment with which the first day of the week was recommended by Constantine to his subjects, pagan and Christian alike, as the ‘venerable day of the sun.’ ... It was his mode of harmonizing the discordant religions of the empire under one common institution.”—Arthur Penimyn Stanury, D.D., Lectures on the History of the Eastern Church, lecture 6, par. 15, p. 184.DOF 173.2

And from Philip Schaff we quote OF 173.3

“The Sunday law of Constantine must not be overrated.... There is no reference whatever in his law either to the fourth commandment or to the resurrection of Christ. Besides, he expressly exempted the country districts, where paganism still prevailed, from the prohibition of labor.... Christians and pagans had been accustomed to festival rests; Constantine made these rests to synchronize, and gave the preference to Sunday.”—Philip Schaff, History of the Christian Church, Third Period, chap. 7, sec. 75 (vol. 3, p. 380).DOF 173.4 ...

People in that century were saying the apostles changed it, but they offered no proof. No word of Christ or apostle is ever quoted by them on this point. The testimony of Scripture is silent on the subject of Sunday sacredness not a word about it. There is not an instance of observance. Had there been such a word spoken, Mr. Canright would certainly have built his argument upon it, instead of trying to bolster it up with this Sunday law of Constantine, who he admits was still head of the heathen religion when his Sunday law was enacted. Mr. Canright cites certain texts where he thinks perhaps Sunday is alluded to, but later frankly admits that they do not furnish a real record of a change. For such a record he has to go to his Christian-heathen emperor, Constantine, and there too he is disappointed, because this man, unfortunately, referred to Sunday by using its pagan name instead of calling it the Lord’s day. It seems to us that Mr. Canright’s Lord’s day argument is built upon a sandy foundation.DOF 174.2

Prof. Hutton Webster calls Sunday a pagan institution which was engrafted onto Christianity OF 176.4

“The early Christians had at first adopted the Jewish seven-day week, with its numbered week days, but by the close of the third century A. D. this began to give way to the planetary week; and in the fourth and fifth centuries the pagan designations became generally accepted in the western half of Christendom. The use of the planetary names by Christians attests the growing influence of astrological speculations introduced by converts from paganism.... During these same centuries the spread of Oriental solar worship, especially that of ‘Mithra,’ in the, Roman world, had already led to the substitution by pagans of dies Solis for dies Saturni, as the first day of the planetary week.... Thus gradually a pagan institution was engrafted on Christianity.”—Prof. Hutton Webster, Rest Days, pp. 220,221.DOF 176.5

We now quote in this connection an amazing confession by Pr. Hiscox, author of the Baptist Manual, in which he also admits that Sunday came into the church from paganism.DOF 177.1

“Of course, I quite well know that Sunday did come into use in early Christian history as a religious day, as we learn from the Christian Fathers and other sources. But what a, pity that it comes branded with the mark of paganism, and christened with the name of the sun god, when adopted and sanctioned by the papal apostasy, and bequeathed as a sacred legacy to Protestantism!”—Dr. Edward T. Hiscox, author of The Baptist Manual, in a paper read before a New York City Ministers’ Conference, held in New York City, Nov. 13, 1893.DOF 177.2

“Now the question arises, Just when did the practice of Sunday keeping commence? No one can tell exactly. Why? If the change had been made by divine authority, we could put our finger on the exact point, and show where it was done. But, like all error, its introduction was gradual. You cannot follow a river into the ocean, and put your finger down and say, There, just at that spot the fresh water stops and the salt water begins. Neither can you tell where Sabbath keeping stopped and Sunday observance began, as there was a gradual mingling of truth and error.DOF 177.5

“You will hear men say with all confidence that, while the seventh day was kept to the crucifixion, the practice of the church since then has been unanimous in keeping the first day. I do not see how a man can be honest and say this, unless he is very ignorant, as the most trustworthy historians ... testify to the contrary....DOF 178.1

“When it [Sunday] was introduced, it did not come in as a Sabbath. Look at the word itself, ‘Sunday.’ Webster defines it as ‘so-called, because this day was anciently dedicated to the sun;’ and the North British Review styles it ‘the wild solar holiday of all pagan times.’ Now, how did it creep into the church? I’ll tell you how. When the early Christians evangelized the heathen tribes, they would do to the head, or chief, and labor with him to convince him of the superiority of the Christian religion. If he became convinced, he would command his entire tribe to be baptized. They were pagans, and had kept Sunday as a festival in honor of one of their gods, the sun; and when they outwardly accepted Christianity, they kept up their observance of Sunday, which gradually supplanted the Lord’s Sabbath. And while some of these might have been soundly converted, there is evidence to show that though the Sabbath was kept, Sunday was also observed as a kind of holiday, but with no idea of sacredness attached to it....DOF 178.2

 

[Hobie]

And more....
The motives that prompted the change from the true Sabbath to the day of the sun are further described by a Church of England rector, the Reverend T. H. Morer, in his book Six Dialogues on the Lord's Day:

'It is not to be denied but we borrow the name of this day from the ancient Greeks and Romans, and we
allow that the old Egyptians worshiped the sun, and as a standing memorial of their veneration, dedicated
this day to him. And we find by the influence of their examples, other nations, and among them the Jews
themselves, doing him homage; yet these abuses did not hinder the Fathers of the Christian church simply
to repeal, or altogether lay by, the day or its name, but only to sanctify and improve both, as they did also
the pagan temples polluted before with idolatrous services, and other instances wherein those good men
were always tender to work any other change than what was evidently necessary, and in such things as
were plainly inconsistent with the Christian religion; so that Sunday being the day on which the Gentiles
solemnly adored that planet, and called it Sunday, partly from its influence on that day especially, and
partly in respect to its divine body (as they. conceived it), the Christians thought fit to keep the same day
and the same name of it, that they might not appear causelessly peevish, and by that means hinder the
conversion of the Gentiles, and bring a greater prejudice than might be otherwise taken against the gospel.'
Pages 22, 23.

The observance of the seventh day was not discontinued by the early Christians for a considerable time after Christ's ascension. As a matter of fact, it has never been entirely discontinued, as there has always been a faithful few who have remained true and loyal to God's Sabbath.

Mr. Morer, a learned clergyman of the Church of England, says that 'the primitive Christians had
a great veneration for the Sabbath, and spent the day in devotion and sermons. And it is not to be doubted
but they derived this practice from the apostles themselves.'-Dialogues on the Lord's Day, p. 189.

Prof. Edward Brerewood, of Gresham College, London, of the same church:
'The ancient Sabbath did remain and was observed . . . by the Christians of the East(ern) Church, above three
hundred years after our Savior's death.'-A Learned Treatise of the Sabbath, p. 77.

The careful and candid theologian and historian, Lyman Coleman, says:
'Down even to the fifth century the observance of the Jewish Sabbath was continued in the Christian
church, but with a rigor and solemnity gradually diminishing until it was wholly discontinued.'-Ancient
Christianity Exemplified, chap. 26, sec. 2, p. 527.

Socrates, a Greek church historian of the fifth century, whose work was a continuation of that of Eusebius,
says:
'Almost all churches throughout the world celebrate the sacred mysteries on the Sabbath of every week,
yet the Christians of Alexandria and at Rome, on account of some ancient tradition, have ceased to do
this.'-Ecclesiastical History v. 22. 21, 22, in A Select Library of Nicene and Post-Nicene Fathers, 2d
series, Vol. 11, p. 132.

Sozomen, another church historian of the fifth century, asserts:
'The people of Constantinople, and almost everywhere, assemble together on the Sabbath, as well as on
the first day of the week, which custom is never observed at Rome or at Alexandria.'-Ecclesiastical
History, vii. 19, in A Select Library of Nicene and Post-Nicene Fathers, 2d series, Vol. II, p. 3 90.

On this point that Sunday was not known as a rest day in the early centuries, these statements occur in
Smith and Cheerham's Dictionary of. Christian Antiquities:
'The notion of a formal substitution by apostolic authority of the Lord's day for the Jewish Sabbath, and
the transference to it, perhaps in a spiritualized form, of the Sabbatical obligation established by the
promulgation of the fourth commandment, has no basis whatever, either in Holy Scripture or in Christian
antiquity. . . . The idea afterwards embodied in the title of the 'Christian Sabbath,' and carried out in
ordinances of Judaic rigor, was, so far as we can see, entirely unknown in the early centuries of
Christianity.'-Article; Sabbath, p. 1823.

Hutton Webster, Ph.D., in his Rest Days, has this to say:
'The early Christians had at first adopted the Jewish seven-day week with its numbered week days, but by the close of the third century AD. this began to give way to the planetary week; and in the fourth and fifth centuries the pagan designations became generally accepted in the western half of Christendom. The use of the planetary names by Christians attests the growing influence of astrological speculations introduced by converts from paganism.... During these same centuries the spread of Oriental solar worships, especially that of Mithra [Persian sun worship), in the Roman world, had already led to the substitution by pagans of dies Solis for dies Saturni, as the first day of the planetary week.... Thus gradually a pagan institution was engrafted on Christianity.' Pages 220, 221.

 

[Hobie]

Here is another good article on it...
THE ORIGIN OF SUNDAY OBSERVANCE

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Sun worship characterized many of the early religions. In the Old World it was important in ancient cultures, such as those of Babylon, Egypt, Persia, North India, Greece, Rome. In the the New World it was important in the agricultural southeast and southwest of the United States, and in the cultures of Mexico, Central American, and the Andean region.

Connected with sun worship, the observance of the first day of the week, the sun-day, played an important role in the pagan world. The North British Review called Sunday "The wild solar holiday of all times," and Constantine, in his famous Sunday edict, styled it "the venerable day of the sun."

Babylonians

Bel, the sun-god, whose proper name was Marduk, was the patrol god of the Babylonians. To him they dedicated the first day of the week. Their calendar was adjusted in such a way that the first day of every month was also the first day of the week.

"It is clear that the first day of every month was originally a day of rest and fasting."--Langdon, Babylonian Menlogies and Semitic Calendars, p. 86.

Egyptians

In ancient Egypt the sun-cult originated at Heliopolis. The early sun-god of the ancient Egyptians was Re, and later Osiris, who came to be also the god of the dead and of the resurrection.

"Sunday (day of the sun) as the name of the first day of the week is derived from Egyptian astrology." --Catholic Encyclopedia, Art. Sunday.

Medo-Persian

"Each day in the week, the planet to which the day was sacred was invoked in a fixed spot in the crypt; and Sunday, over which the sun presided, was especially holy." --Cumont, The Mysteries of Mithra, p. 167.

Indians

Among the Hindus, every Sunday was a holy day. One author writes:

"The different days enjoy degrees of veneration according to certain qualities which [the Hindus] attribute to [the days of the week]. They distinguish, for example, the Sunday, because it is the day of the sun and the beginning of the week." --Albiruni's India, II, p. 185.

Koreans

"Buddha is reported to have been of solar descent, as were the Incas of Peru and are the present royal house of Japan (whose ancestress is stated to have been the sun-goddess Amaterasu)." --E. Royston Pike, Encyclopecia of Religion, Art. Sun Worship.

Germans

"The most ancient Germans being pagans, and having appropriated their first day of the week to the peculiar adoration to the sun, whereof, that day doth yet in our English tongue retain the name of Sunday." --Verstegan, Antiquities, p. 10.


Greeks

"At Sparta on the first day of every month the king made a sacrificial offering to Apollon [or Appollo], the sun-god, and the same practice was carried on at Athens." --Cook, Zeus, II, p. 237.


Romans

"The first day of the week was the Mithraic Sunday before it was the Christian, and December 25 was Mithra's birthday." --E. Royston Pike, Encyclopedia of Religion, Art. Mithraism.

Mithraism and Christianism

The popular worship of Mithra [the "Invincible Sun-god"] became so pre-eminent in the Roman Empire in the days of Constantine, that he decreed "The Venerable Day of the Sun" to be the weekly rest day of the Empire.

One authority points out the influence of Mithraism on Christianity, saying:

"It [Mithraism] had so much acceptance that it was able to impose on the Christian world its own Sun-day in place of the Sabbath, its Sun's birthday, 25th December, as the birthday of Jesus." --G. Murray, Christianity in the Light of Modern Knowledge, pp. 73, 74.

Still another author says: "The early Christians had at first adopted the Jewish seven-day week, with its numbered week days, but by the close of the third century A.D. this began to give way to the planetary week; and in the fourth and fifth centuries the pagan designations became generally accepted in the western half of Christendom.

...During these same centuries the spread of Oriental solar worships, especially that of Mithra, in the Roman world, had already led to the substitution by the pagans of dies Solis (Sun-day) for dies Saturni (Saturday), as the first day of the planetary week...Thus gradually a pagan institution was engrafted on Christianity." --Hutton Webster, Rest Days, pp. 220, 221.

Contrary to popular belief, there is not the slightest indication in the Bible that Sunday observance may have originated with Christ or the apostles.

The Origin of Sunday Observance pamphlet was printed and distributed by Fortress Books in Roanoke, Virginia.

 

[Hobie]

Its pretty clear that the day for the worship to the pagan sun god was never what God intended as the Sabbath, nor any of the days of work which He lays out for their purpose. He gives six days to do labor and one day for the Sabbath to let man rest and commune with Him.

 

[sheeplike]

I simply go by Romans 14, who says:

Give a warm welcome to any brother who wants to join you, even though his faith is weak. Don’t criticize him for having different ideas from yours about what is right and wrong. For instance, don’t argue with him about whether or not to eat meat that has been offered to idols. You may believe there is no harm in this, but the faith of others is weaker; they think it is wrong and will go without any meat at all and eat vegetables rather than eat that kind of meat. Those who think it is all right to eat such meat must not look down on those who won’t. And if you are one of those who won’t, don’t find fault with those who do. For God has accepted them to be his children. They are God’s servants, not yours. They are responsible to him, not to you. Let him tell them whether they are right or wrong. And God is able to make them do as they should. Some think that Christians should observe the Jewish holidays as special days to worship God, but others say it is wrong and foolish to go to all that trouble, for every day alike belongs to God. On questions of this kind everyone must decide for himself. If you have special days for worshiping the Lord, you are trying to honor him; you are doing a good thing. So is the person who eats meat that has been offered to idols; he is thankful to the Lord for it; he is doing right. And the person who won’t touch such meat, he, too, is anxious to please the Lord, and is thankful. We are not our own bosses to live or die as we ourselves might choose.

This excludes only real pagan holidays, as X-mas, the "Easter Bunny" - stuff like that. One thing I do not like: I was working for years in Muslim countries. And its so weird to have the weekend Friday-Saturday and work from Sunday to Thursday. It always resulted that in most of the cases we were in the office as well on Fridays - so, 6 days work week.

 

[Hobie]

True, but when God comes to judge, what will He use to decide between a sinner and a saint. I think you know, it is His Law.
1 John 3:4
Whosoever committeth sin transgresseth also the law: for sin is the transgression of the law.

 

[Hobie]

So lets look at some of the "reasons" given for not keeping the Sabbath. One that we hear a lot is that the "Sabbath was for the Jews.¨
Well, if one looks it is not a Jewish institution, for it was made about 2,300 years before Jews existed, right at Creation.
Genesis 2:2-3.
2 And on the seventh day God ended his work which he had made; and he rested on the seventh day from all his work which he had made.
3 And God blessed the seventh day, and sanctified it: because that in it he had rested from all his work which God created and made.

To say the Sabbath is just for Jews is to say that marriage is just for the Jews as well since both the Sabbath and marriage were given to Adam and Eve in the beginning.
Genesis 2:24
Therefore shall a man leave his father and his mother, and shall cleave unto his wife: and they shall be one flesh.
Matthew 19:5
4 And he answered and said unto them, Have ye not read, that he which made them at the beginning made them male and female,
5 And said, For this cause shall a man leave father and mother, and shall cleave to his wife: and they twain shall be one flesh?
6 Wherefore they are no more twain, but one flesh. What therefore God hath joined together, let not man put asunder.

The Bible never calls it the Jewish Sabbath, but always "the Sabbath of the Lord thy God" or "my Sabbath¨ which says meaning it is God's Sabbath. Then we have what clearly shows who it was made for from Christ Himself..
Mark 2:27
And he said unto them, The sabbath was made for man, and not man for the sabbath:

So who was it made for, "Man". Which here means mankind.
And God has pronounced a special blessing on all the Gentiles who will keep it.
Isaiah 56:6-7
6 Also the sons of the stranger, that join themselves to the Lord, to serve him, and to love the name of the Lord, to be his servants, every one that keepeth the sabbath from polluting it, and taketh hold of my covenant;
7 Even them will I bring to my holy mountain, and make them joyful in my house of prayer: their burnt offerings and their sacrifices shall be accepted upon mine altar; for mine house shall be called an house of prayer for all people.

 

[sheeplike]

What are you talking. Acts said very clearly for the first non-Jews, who became Christians to do the following:

They wrote this letter for them to deliver:[j]

“From:[k] The apostles and the elders, your brothers

To: Their gentile brothers in Antioch, Syria, and Cilicia.

Greetings. 24 We have heard that some men, coming from us without instructions from us, have said things to trouble you and have unsettled you.[l] 25 So we have unanimously decided to choose men and send them to you with our dear Barnabas and Paul, 26 who have risked their lives for the sake of our Lord Jesus, the Messiah.[m] 27 We have therefore sent Judas and Silas to tell you the same things by word of mouth. 28 For it seemed good to the Holy Spirit and to us not to place on you any burden but these essential requirements: 29 to keep away from food sacrificed to idols, from blood,[n] from anything strangled, and from sexual immorality. If you avoid these things, you will do well. Goodbye.”

The old covenant including sabbat was OVER.

 

[Rockerduck]

It is God who calls me to churches. If the Holy Spirit told me to go to church on Saturday, I would. In my 40 yrs as a Christian, the Holy Spirit has never mentioned Saturday worship. Besides that, what's with that Roman name we use. Saturn is a Roman god.

 

[Hobie]

What are you talking. Acts said very clearly for the first non-Jews, who became Christians to do the following:

They wrote this letter for them to deliver:[j]

“From:[k] The apostles and the elders, your brothers

To: Their gentile brothers in Antioch, Syria, and Cilicia.

Greetings. 24 We have heard that some men, coming from us without instructions from us, have said things to trouble you and have unsettled you.[l] 25 So we have unanimously decided to choose men and send them to you with our dear Barnabas and Paul, 26 who have risked their lives for the sake of our Lord Jesus, the Messiah.[m] 27 We have therefore sent Judas and Silas to tell you the same things by word of mouth. 28 For it seemed good to the Holy Spirit and to us not to place on you any burden but these essential requirements: 29 to keep away from food sacrificed to idols, from blood,[n] from anything strangled, and from sexual immorality. If you avoid these things, you will do well. Goodbye.”

The old covenant including sabbat was OVER.

Well, lets take a look to see if that was just the old covenant and Jesus did away with the Sabbath and all the other ceremonial laws. Lets see what we find...

Luke 4:16
And he came to Nazareth, where he had been brought up: and, as his custom was, he went into the synagogue on the sabbath day, and stood up for to read.

Thus Jesus followed His Father's example at creation. Should we follow the example of both the Father and the Son? Or follow man and his ideas and traditions he spreads in the church.

Instead of abolishing the Sabbath, Jesus carefully taught how it should be observed.
Matthew 12:1-13
1 At that time Jesus went on the sabbath day through the corn; and his disciples were an hungred, and began to pluck the ears of corn and to eat.
2 But when the Pharisees saw it, they said unto him, Behold, thy disciples do that which is not lawful to do upon the sabbath day.
3 But he said unto them, Have ye not read what David did, when he was an hungred, and they that were with him;
4 How he entered into the house of God, and did eat the shewbread, which was not lawful for him to eat, neither for them which were with him, but only for the priests?
5 Or have ye not read in the law, how that on the sabbath days the priests in the temple profane the sabbath, and are blameless?
6 But I say unto you, That in this place is one greater than the temple.
7 But if ye had known what this meaneth, I will have mercy, and not sacrifice, ye would not have condemned the guiltless.
8 For the Son of man is Lord even of the sabbath day.
9 And when he was departed thence, he went into their synagogue:
10 And, behold, there was a man which had his hand withered. And they asked him, saying, Is it lawful to heal on the sabbath days? that they might accuse him.
11 And he said unto them, What man shall there be among you, that shall have one sheep, and if it fall into a pit on the sabbath day, will he not lay hold on it, and lift it out?
12 How much then is a man better than a sheep? Wherefore it is lawful to do well on the sabbath days.
13 Then saith he to the man, Stretch forth thine hand. And he stretched it forth; and it was restored whole, like as the other.

Christ instructed His apostles that the Sabbath should be prayerfully regarded forty years after His resurrection.
Matthew 24:20.
20 But pray ye that your flight be not in the winter, neither on the sabbath day:

When one reads all of Matthew 24, you see that Jesus was warning the disciples of the upcoming destruction of Jerusalem, which occurred about 40 years after His resurrection.

Thirty years after Christ's resurrection, its expressly called "the Sabbath day."
Acts 13:14-16.
14 But when they departed from Perga, they came to Antioch in Pisidia, and went into the synagogue on the sabbath day, and sat down.
15 And after the reading of the law and the prophets the rulers of the synagogue sent unto them, saying, Ye men and brethren, if ye have any word of exhortation for the people, say on.
16 Then Paul stood up, and beckoning with his hand said, Men of Israel, and ye that fear God, give audience.

Sounds like the Sabbath was still in effect even then, well after Christ's death. The New Testament alone mentions the Sabbath day untold times and never once is there a change of the Sabbath day to any other nor was it abolished. We see a important one in Luke 23:56..

Luke 23:56
And they returned, and prepared spices and ointments; and rested the sabbath day according to the commandment.

Jesus' own mother observed the Sabbath AFTER Jesus died. If He had changed or done away with the Sabbath day (having nailed it to the cross), wouldn't His own mother have known it? The early church kept the Sabbath for centuries, it was only when the apostate church of Rome brought in its 'traditions' was there even a question on it.

 

[sheeplike]

I think you do mix up something - there were Jews and there were non Jews as Christians. This caused in the first century a lot of trouble. When Paul (or somebody else) was preaching they FIRST went to the Synagogue and of course on Saturday. When you read that the Jews were not interested or even hostile, they went to preach to the others.

And of course Jesus said "pray that it will not take place on a Saturday" as it concerned the destruction of Jerusalem (and therefore Jews, Israel in 70) and not "Antioch" or "Rome". Clear? This does not mean, that the Sabbath is still in place. This is over with.

But it does not matter - as long as I have one or two days off per week. And this was the final result after all the centuries. Remember the weeks, when we had to go to school even on Saturdays? So who cares? I know that I am not damned, because I do not keep the Sabbath - I am not a Jew, I am a Christian. Or am I a sinner - when a doctor has to work on a weekend? Jesus said clearly, that the Sabbath is for men, not the men for the Sabbath. And if you keep it - do you not walk more than 3.000 feet? No, no - this is over. Sorry.

 

[Hobie]

I think you do mix up something - there were Jews and there were non Jews as Christians. This caused in the first century a lot of trouble. When Paul (or somebody else) was preaching they FIRST went to the Synagogue and of course on Saturday. When you read that the Jews were not interested or even hostile, they went to preach to the others.

And of course Jesus said "pray that it will not take place on a Saturday" as it concerned the destruction of Jerusalem (and therefore Jews, Israel in 70) and not "Antioch" or "Rome". Clear? This does not mean, that the Sabbath is still in place. This is over with.

But it does not matter - as long as I have one or two days off per week. And this was the final result after all the centuries. Remember the weeks, when we had to go to school even on Saturdays? So who cares? I know that I am not damned, because I do not keep the Sabbath - I am not a Jew, I am a Christian. Or am I a sinner - when a doctor has to work on a weekend? Jesus said clearly, that the Sabbath is for men, not the men for the Sabbath. And if you keep it - do you not walk more than 3.000 feet? No, no - this is over. Sorry.

Who were there at Creation when the Creator made the Sabbath for man? Not many Jews or those with circumcision to say the least.

 

[Hobie]

Now another reason some people like to claim is that God doesn't care what day we observe. Lets look..

13 If thou turn away thy foot from the Sabbath, from doing thy pleasure on my holy day; and call the Sabbath a delight, the holy of the LORD, honourable; and shalt honour him, not doing thine own ways, nor finding thine own pleasure, nor speaking thine own words: 14 Then shalt thou delight thyself in the LORD; and I will cause thee to ride upon the high places of the earth, and feed thee with the heritage of Jacob thy father: for the mouth of the LORD hath spoken it. Isaiah 58:13-14

"THE¨ is defined as "an absolute, genuine article¨. The verse doesn't say "a" Sabbath day, it clearly says "the" Sabbath day. It's very specific and you see again it repeats what we find at Creation that God made it holy.

2 And on the seventh day God ended his work which he had made; and he rested on the seventh day from all his work which he had made.
3 And God blessed the seventh day, and sanctified it: because that in it he had rested from all his work which God created and made. Genesis 2:2-3

 

[Ronald Nolette]

Now another reason some people like to claim is that God doesn't care what day we observe. Lets look..

13 If thou turn away thy foot from the Sabbath, from doing thy pleasure on my holy day; and call the Sabbath a delight, the holy of the LORD, honourable; and shalt honour him, not doing thine own ways, nor finding thine own pleasure, nor speaking thine own words: 14 Then shalt thou delight thyself in the LORD; and I will cause thee to ride upon the high places of the earth, and feed thee with the heritage of Jacob thy father: for the mouth of the LORD hath spoken it. Isaiah 58:13-14

"THE¨ is defined as "an absolute, genuine article¨. The verse doesn't say "a" Sabbath day, it clearly says "the" Sabbath day. It's very specific and you see again it repeats what we find at Creation that God made it holy.

2 And on the seventh day God ended his work which he had made; and he rested on the seventh day from all his work which he had made.
3 And God blessed the seventh day, and sanctified it: because that in it he had rested from all his work which God created and made. Genesis 2:2-3

You are very narrow in trying to force the church to keep Saturday butr ignore all rules of reading and comprehension in doing so.

1. Who is the writers in the OT talking to? The nation of Israel!

Whom did God give the Sabbath to? the nation of Israel.!

Ezekiel 20:12

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12 Moreover also I gave them my sabbaths, to be a sign between me and them, that they might know that I am the Lord that sanctify them.

Exodus 31:12-17

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12 And the Lord spake unto Moses, saying,
13 Speak thou also unto the children of Israel, saying, Verily my sabbaths ye shall keep: for it is a sign between me and you throughout your generations; that ye may know that I am the Lord that doth sanctify you.
14 Ye shall keep the sabbath therefore; for it is holy unto you: every one that defileth it shall surely be put to death: for whosoever doeth any work therein, that soul shall be cut off from among his people.
15 Six days may work be done; but in the seventh is the sabbath of rest, holy to the Lord: whosoever doeth any work in the sabbath day, he shall surely be put to death.
16 Wherefore the children of Israel shall keep the sabbath, to observe the sabbath throughout their generations, for a perpetual covenant.
17 It is a sign between me and the children of Israel for ever: for in six days the Lord made heaven and earth, and on the seventh day he rested, and was refreshed.

The Church is not bound to any special day to worship:

Romans 14

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14 Him that is weak in the faith receive ye, but not to doubtful disputations.
2 For one believeth that he may eat all things: another, who is weak, eateth herbs.
3 Let not him that eateth despise him that eateth not; and let not him which eateth not judge him that eateth: for God hath received him.
4 Who art thou that judgest another man's servant? to his own master he standeth or falleth. Yea, he shall be holden up: for God is able to make him stand.
5 One man esteemeth one day above another: another esteemeth every day alike. Let every man be fully persuaded in his own mind.
6 He that regardeth the day, regardeth it unto the Lord; and he that regardeth not the day, to the Lord he doth not regard it. He that eateth, eateth to the Lord, for he giveth God thanks; and he that eateth not, to the Lord he eateth not, and giveth God thanks.

If god in your conscience is calling you to keep Saturday - then fine keep it! However if you demand it on others, you judge your brother and are guilty of idolatry, making yourself God!

 

[Hobie]

You are very narrow in trying to force the church to keep Saturday butr ignore all rules of reading and comprehension in doing so.

1. Who is the writers in the OT talking to? The nation of Israel!

Whom did God give the Sabbath to? the nation of Israel.!

Ezekiel 20:12​

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12 Moreover also I gave them my sabbaths, to be a sign between me and them, that they might know that I am the Lord that sanctify them.

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At Creation who was God talking to...

2 And on the seventh day God ended his work which he had made; and he rested on the seventh day from all his work which he had made.
3 And God blessed the seventh day, and sanctified it: because that in it he had rested from all his work which God created and made. Genesis 2:2-3

Mark 2:27
And he said unto them, The sabbath was made for man, and not man for the sabbath:

I came across a study by Roy Gane, one of the authors of books I have, who is very in depth. Here are some excerpts on this issue..

Is the seventh day Sabbath a universal institution, or was it only for the literal Israelites?
My short answer to this question is: The seventh day Sabbath is universal because it was instituted at Creation for the benefit of all human beings, before the nation of Israel existed. This answer is based upon exegesis of Genesis 2:2-3, which reads:
2:2 And on the seventh day God finished the work that he had done, and he rested on the seventh day from all the work that he had done.2:3 So God blessed the seventh day and hallowed it, because on it God rested from all the work that he had done in creation.
God rested, i.e. ceased,(1) his work at the end of the Creation week because his work was done, not because he was tired (cp. Isa 40:28; Ps. 121:3-4).(2) On the seventh day he stopped to celebrate what could be regarded as the "birthday" of the world.
There is evidence that God intended not only to celebrate, but also to provide an example for human beings.

Exodus 31:17 refers to God being "refreshed" as a result of his rest on the seventh day of Creation. The verb translated "refreshed" here, i.e. npsh is used only three times in the Hebrew Bible (all Niphal stem): Exod 31:17; 2 Sam 16:14; and Exod 23:12. In 2 Samuel 16:14, the verb npsh describes David and his people recovering from fatigue induced by their flight from Absalom (2 Sam 16:14). Exodus 23:12 reiterates the Sabbath command given in the Ten Commandments (Exod 20:8-11):
23:12 Six days you shall do your work, but on the seventh day you shall rest, so that your ox and your donkey may have relief, and your homeborn slave and the resident alien may be refreshed.

In this context, rest (verb nwh) on the seventh day Sabbath clearly relieves the fatigue of human beings and animals (cp. Deut 5:14) and refreshes (verb npsh) them. Now the question arises: If the verb npsh describes relief from fatigue in Exodus 23:12 and 2 Samuel 16:14, why does Exodus 31:17 use the same word with reference to God being "refreshed"? The answer lies in the purpose of Exodus 31:12-17, which is to have God's people follow his example by resting on the seventh day of the week (Cassuto: 1967: 245,404; Sailhamer 1992: 309). Even though God did not need rest from fatigue, the Bible here speaks of him anthropomorphically(3) as receiving some kind of refreshing benefit (Sarna 1991: 202) in order to show people how to rest on the seventh day, as a result of which they would gain relief from fatigue (Exod 23:12).

Lest it should seem strange that God would do something as an example for human beings, consider two similar cases:

1. In the Israelite ritual system, the blood of a sacrificial animal was drained out and applied to the outside or horns of the altar in the courtyard (see e.g. Lev 1:5; 4:25) or to the area of the outer sanctum and the horns of the incense altar (Lev 4:6,7) with the remainder disposed of by pouring it out at the base of the outer altar (Lev 4:7). The blood did not go up to God in smoke along with the meat as a "pleasing aroma" (see e.g. Lev 1:9). Why not? Because the meat constituted a "food gift" to God (cp. Num 28:2)(4) and God had commanded the Israelites not to eat meat without draining out the blood because the blood represents the life (Lev 17:10-12; cp. Gen 9:4). By not eating blood with their meat, the Israelites acknowledged that they did not have ultimate control over life. But God did have such control. So why didn't he show it by accepting blood with his meat? Apparently because he wanted to be an example to his people, thereby practicing what he preached.

2. Jesus asked John the Baptist to baptize him, but John recognized that Jesus did not need baptism (Matt 3:13-14). Baptism symbolizes purification from sin (Rom 6:1-5), but Jesus was sinless (Heb 4:15). Nevertheless, Jesus insisted that John baptize him, saying to him:
"Let it be so now; for it is proper for us in this way to fulfill all righteousness" (Matt 3:15).
So Jesus went through the motions of baptism because it is part of a righteous human life, even though the righteousness which he already possessed transcended the fallen state and did not require baptism.

Thus far, we have found that God's rest served as an example for human Sabbath observance. But did this example begin to operate thousands of years after Creation, or did God intend for human beings to follow his example from the beginning? Jesus succinctly answered the question by declaring that "the Sabbath was made for humankind . . ." (Mk 2:27). He viewed the original purpose of the Sabbath as providing benefit to human beings. This means that when God rested on the seventh day of Creation, he did not simply intend to benefit himself.
It is true that there is nothing in the text of Genesis 2 which explicitly tells us that the Sabbath was made for human beings as Jesus later declared. Nor does Genesis state that the Sabbath is to be an on-going, cyclical event, occurring on each seventh day. However, Genesis did not need to explicitly state these things because the context makes them clear....

 

[Hobie]

...Consider the following contextual factors:
1. According to Genesis 2:3, God blessed the seventh day and made it holy (Gen 2:3). Thus, God must have endowed this day with a special relationship to himself, who alone is intrinsically holy (1 Sam. 2:2). But how can a day be holy? A day is a unit of time, which is not a material substance, so it cannot be made holy by application of a holy substance, such as anointing oil (Lev 8:10-12). It must be consecrated in relation to beings who are affected by it. The only way for intelligent beings to make/treat time as holy is by altering their behavior. Thus, God altered his behavior on the seventh day of Creation, the archetype of the weekly Sabbath (cp. Hasel 1982: 23), and proclaimed the day holy. Skinner points out regarding the Sabbath in Genesis 2:1-3:
. . . it is not an institution which exists or ceases with its observance by man; the divine rest is a fact as much as the divine working, and so the sanctity of the day is a fact whether man secures the benefit or not (1930: 35).

But what sense would it make to say that God blessed the day if he intended this unit of holy time to benefit only himself? Elsewhere in the Creation story, God's blessings were outgoing, for the benefit of his creatures (Gen 1:22,28). So could we imagine that on the seventh day God rested and admired his handiwork while man toiled in the garden (cp. Gen 2:15)? The blessing must be for created beings living in the world where the seventh day operated (see Skinner 1930: 35). In order to receive the blessing, these beings would consecrate the day as God did, by altering their behavior (see Doukhan 1991: 156). The blessing results from activity which acknowledges the consecration. As Skinner put it:
. . . the Sabbath is a constant source of well-being to the man who recognizes its true nature and purpose (1930: 38).

2. God made human beings in his image (Gen 1:26-27) and commissioned them to continue the work of creation by being fruitful and multiplying (vs. 28). He also gave them the work of having dominion/responsibility over the earth (verses. 26-28; 2:15). If human beings are made in God's image and are to emulate God by working on their level as God worked on his (cp. Lev 19:2), it would stand to reason that they should also emulate God by resting from their work as God rested from his (cp. Sailhamer 1992: 96-97).

3. On each of the first six days of creation, God did something which had on-going results for our world. Thus, we expect that what he did on the seventh day would also have earthly on-going results.

4. God set up cyclical time even before man was created (Gen 1:3-5, 14-18). According to Genesis 1:14, God made heavenly luminaries, chiefly the sun and moon (vs. 16), to mark earthly time as "signs," "seasons," i.e. appointed times, days and years. So when Genesis 2:3 says that God blessed and hallowed the seventh day, this blessing and consecration could be on-going in a cyclical sense, applying to each subsequent seventh day. In fact, the seventh day Sabbath provides a plausible explanation for the origin of the week, which is not defined by the movement of heavenly bodies (cp. Cassuto 1967: 244).(5)

The Creation story does not contain a command for human beings to observe the Sabbath. But neither does it contain commands to abstain from idolatry, adultery, murder, or any of the other Ten Commandments (cp. Exod 20). In Genesis 1-2, God was concerned with setting up the ideal order of relationships rather than commanding protection of existing relationships. For human beings, he instituted the Sabbath, marriage, and work (Robertson 1980: 68-81). These three institutions embody principles which were later expressed in the Ten Commandments (cp. Exod 20:3-17).

According to Genesis 3, when Adam and Eve showed disrespect for God's lordship by eating the fruit of a forbidden tree (Gen 3:6), their marriage and work suffered as a result of the Curse of sin (Gen 3:16-19). But there is an important omission in Genesis 3: the Sabbath is not affected by any curse resulting from the Fall. Unlike the other two Creation institutions, the Sabbath remains a little piece of Paradise. As such, its value is enhanced by the deterioration around it. Now that work is exhausting, ceasing from labor on the Sabbath provides needed rest. More importantly, now that human beings are cut off from direct access to God, they need a reminder of his lordship even more than they did before the Fall.

While the Fall made marriage and labor difficult and reduced their joy, it did not take away human responsibility with regard to any of the Creation institutions or the principles which they embody. When Cain murdered Abel, showing disrespect for the life which had been given by God through the marriage of Adam and Eve, God held him accountable (Gen 4:9-15). Genesis does not say that the sixth commandment was formulated as such before Cain killed Abel, but Cain was a murderer anyway because he violated the order which God had set up. Just as we cannot say that the obligation to abstain from murder could not exist before the sixth of the Ten Commandments was given to Israel, so we cannot say that the Sabbath could not exist as a human responsibility before the fourth commandment was given.

It is true that the Pentateuchal narratives do not mention the seventh day as a day of ceasing from work between the time God rested on the seventh day of Creation (Gen 2:2-3) and the time he commanded the Israelites to observe Sabbath in the wilderness on the way to Mt. Sinai (Exod 16:23-30). But neither do the early Pentateuchal narratives record the specific obligation to refrain from taking God's name in vain. This is stated in the third of the Ten Commandments (Exod 20:7) and illustrated in a later narrative (Lev 24:11-16,23). The early silence does not constitute evidence that God did not expect people to do these things which were implied by the Creation order...

 

[Hobie]

Now some people say, well Christ doesn't repeat the Sabbath commandment in the New Testament, so He didnt mean it for us.
Well lets take a look at this claim and see what we find in the New Testament.

Matthew 24:20
But pray ye that your flight be not in the winter, neither on the sabbath day:

The context of this verse is that Christ was warning the disciples about the destruction of Jerusalem, which occurred in 70 AD at the hands of the Roman army. Christ prophesied that this event would happen and it did, as Christ is never wrong. Why would Christ be concerned that people observe the Sabbath day at a time that would have been about 40 years after His death if His death was supposed to abolish it?

Clearly He wouldn't be concerned if that were the case, but since the Sabbath, like all His Commandments last forever, He was very concerned and told them to pray concerning it.

 

[JohnDB]

Sunday of today is the actual Saturday of the pre-Constantine era.

The Levites have been trying to correct this in the Jewish council because the stars tell what day of the week it is and they have not changed in the thousands of years.
But
The moment the issue was brought up they tabled the "discussion" and closed the meeting.
The Jewish council "accidentally" opened the floor for new discussion not knowing what would be brought up. And upon realizing the gravity of what was being said....closed it immediately.

And what the research shows is that in order to fix the problem long ago....Constantine shortened one week and made Saturday become Sunday....so Jews and Christians would have their one day of the week at the same time AND that to his chagrin....the Jews were the bulk of his bankers. So...when Sunday came around most of the banks were closed. (Because Jews don't work on Saturday no matter what day of the week you claim it to be)

And today....these 1700 years later....SDA, Jews, and others trying to hold to Saturday worship by going on Saturday....are really missing it by going on Friday.

Sucks to be a legalistic when everyone forgets the truth.

 

[Ronald Nolette]

2 And on the seventh day God ended his work which he had made; and he rested on the seventh day from all his work which he had made.
3 And God blessed the seventh day, and sanctified it: because that in it he had rested from all his work which God created and made

And this was not a declaration making saturday a command to observe.

If so Abraham Isaac and Jacob would have known it and Israel would have been observing it long before God gave the command!

There is evidence that God intended not only to celebrate, but also to provide an example for human beings.

Well then show this evidence. for God told Israel teh Sabbath was sign between God and Israel alone.

After teh flood God made a clear command for man to not eat blood. there is no clear command to observe Saturday as a day of rest.

Paul even said so:

Romans 14:5-6

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5 One man esteemeth one day above another: another esteemeth every day alike. Let every man be fully persuaded in his own mind.
6 He that regardeth the day, regardeth it unto the Lord; and he that regardeth not the day, to the Lord he doth not regard it. He that eateth, eateth to the Lord, for he giveth God thanks; and he that eateth not, to the Lord he eateth not, and giveth God thanks.

If your conscience demands you observe Saturday as a day of rest- then do so! but to impose your conscience upon others as a command is sin.

If you bothered to read carefu8lly, you wi9ll not find a command or even a construct that hints of a command to keep sabbath until the ten commandments are issued.

Then Paul said whenever we observe a day if it is unto the Lord it is fine.

Colossians 2:16
Let no man therefore judge you in meat, or in drink, or in respect of an holyday, or of the new moon, or of the sabbath days:

If it is so important for teh church to observe Saturday, why is there not one command in the epistles for the church to observe the sabbath.

Israel must but the gentile believers do not.

 

[Hobie]

Sunday of today is the actual Saturday of the pre-Constantine era.

The Levites have been trying to correct this in the Jewish council because the stars tell what day of the week it is and they have not changed in the thousands of years.
But
The moment the issue was brought up they tabled the "discussion" and closed the meeting.
The Jewish council "accidentally" opened the floor for new discussion not knowing what would be brought up. And upon realizing the gravity of what was being said....closed it immediately.

And what the research shows is that in order to fix the problem long ago....Constantine shortened one week and made Saturday become Sunday....so Jews and Christians would have their one day of the week at the same time AND that to his chagrin....the Jews were the bulk of his bankers. So...when Sunday came around most of the banks were closed. (Because Jews don't work on Saturday no matter what day of the week you claim it to be)

And today....these 1700 years later....SDA, Jews, and others trying to hold to Saturday worship by going on Saturday....are really missing it by going on Friday.

Sucks to be a legalistic when everyone forgets the truth.

Have you seen what day the synagogues are filled, they are not confused as to the day, neither do we have any excuse unless we want to be deceived and follow what leads to perdition..