True.
All believers have Christ in them, and they are "in Christ".. and that is eternal.
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True.
All believers have Christ in them, and they are "in Christ".. and that is eternal.
Ronald Nolette
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No it does not prove free will.
for the bible (not your opinion) clearly shows the natural man will not seek god! They cannot and will not.
And you think Paul's statement, because of your abysmal understanding of grammar think it is an announcement of unsaved man h aving free will. Despite all the verses I posted you showing your clinging to the teachings of Jacob Arminius are false.
Ronald Nolette
Well-Known Member
This coming from the man who repeatedly lies about people and falsely judges the Brethren.
This would be rich, if it wasn't so sadly pathetic!
You have closed Gods Word when it contradicts your personal belief.
You rarely post verses to me.
You fail at English grammar
You mock going to the Greek.
Again I ask, why should anyone take you seriously?
Your Gospel is False, as Paul defined Calvinism as : Galatians 1:8
False Gospel.
False again.
John 3:16 says where, and why and how and when, someone gets Saved.
A.) When they give God their Faith, is when, is why, is how..........and where.
Ritajanice
Born-Again
Not understanding.
I know 100% that I am Born Again and was chosen by God..the Holy Spirit gave birth to my spirit, he penetrated my spirit and it was reborn ,his seed remains in my spirit, permanently.
The seed is the Living Holy Spirit, that’s whose seed remains in our spirit.
The Spirit testifies with our spirit that we are the children of God, he witness that truth to my spirit all day every day..
He testifies with my spirit that my salvation is 100 % secure.,.his Spirit is also Alive and Active in me...I’m under the authority of the Spirit and in Gods will.
He speaks Gods truth out through me..the Holy Spirit that is.
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It proves it to anyone who is not mind blinded by Calvinism.
I could get a room full of Satanists, and say.........."Jesus said that you 'REFUSE to come to me"...
And then i could say....>>"but Ronald Nolette, says you dont have any free will to come to Jesus, as that is his False gospel that John Calvin taught Him".. "And his purpose in life is to try to SELL THAT LIE all the time"...
And they would say.....>>>" We chose Satan, and you can tell that Calvinist that He has some issue with reality".
And i would say........>"is anyone here interested in being forgiven all your sin"... And "whosoever of these Satanist will believe in Jesus..."... then i have some Good News for them....
You're the Disciple of Calvin deceiver who says things like that about people, yet you cant post a quote.
So, i posted your verses and explained them, and now your response is to talk about anything else.
That is what Episkapos does and so will RitaJanice.
You're not being honest... and im not the only one to point that out about you, to you.... recently...here on the forum @Ronald Nolette .
You have spent, maybe over half your life, SELLING a doctrine of Devils.. and that is your Christianity.. Thats your "walk of faith" and your "service =to God".
A Calvinist DUPE. who is SELF Proclaimed and proudly so..
You SELL Calvinism, as your Christianity.
That's not something to be proud of, and its not what you want to have to explain to Jesus, who is NOT A Calvinist, as i told you, many many many times... for your benefit.
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I dont mock the Koine Greek, not even the 30 NT Greek NTs, tho most of them are unusable.
What i DENY< is.. .when someone who can't speak or read K.Greek, on a fluency level.. comes to this Forum, or any Christian Forum, and tries to FAKE the ROLE of a Teacher of Greek Manuscripts.
As that is FAKE, FALSE... PRETENSION, that insults the Holy Spirit.
See, this person is trying to pretend they are an authority, so, as they can't teach the bible (you), they pretend to teach the Greek, they can't read or speak......on a fluency level that could be consideedr significant enough to do it, authentically.
All they can do is read the english translation....they can't read the Greek....... 99% of the time.. and then they come and want to pretend to be the authority over the bible, and over the other Christians...
So, they are a FAKE, and i really can't stand so called "christians"...who fake "hearing from God'. .and FAKE. a "call of God"...and say things like. "the HolySpirit is talking to me" and then they trie to SELL THEIR CALVINISM.. or other "ISM"..... and some of them also FAKE being a Greek Teacher, of NT Manuscripts.
They are so OBVIOUS, in their Fakery, and i have no use for it., so, i try to keep it real and they dont like it.
How could they?
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I'm very sorry about this RN and I apologize if I've caused you any additional stress.
May our Lord keep you and bless you - as I'm sure He has.
This is the problem here RN.....
Calvinism teaches, and you agree of course, that man is totally deprived and unable to seek God.
Then I post many (and there are many more) verses that plainly state that we are to SEEK GOD.
Where does it state that we do this AFTER salvation? Could you post a couple that state this?
Why would I seek God AFTER I'm saved?
Haven't I found God even after I'm saved?
Where does the bible state that we are to seek God for a blessing?
Maybe it's there and I just haven't found it.
We seek God for spiritual knowledge.
We seek God for wisdom.
We seek God for the salvation of our souls.
We seek God for strength.
The most important reason to seek God is to BE SAVED.
The point is that we are ABLE to seek God.
He would not tell us to do something He knows we cannot do.
Calvinism does this:
It adds to scripture what that denomination WANTS it to say and not what it plainly says.
Are the following for a blessing or for salvation?:
Answer: FOR SALVATION.....
James 4:8
Draw near to God, and he will draw near to you. Cleanse your hands, you sinners, and purify your hearts, you double-minded.
Amos 5:4
For thus says the Lord to the house of Israel: “Seek me and live;
Psalm 40:16
But may all who seek you rejoice and be glad in you; may those who love your salvation say continually, “Great is the Lord!”
God gives to all enough faith to be able to seek Him.
Romans 12:3
Also, as Romans 1:19-20 states....God is visible to all men and it's possible for them to KNOW HIM....
18For the wrath of God is revealed from heaven against all ungodliness and unrighteousness of men who suppress the truth in unrighteousness,
19because that which is known about God is evident within them; for God made it evident to them.
20For since the creation of the world His invisible attributes, His eternal power and divine nature, have been clearly seen, being understood through what has been made, so that they are without excuse.
God made Himself EVIDENT since the creation of the world so that NO MAN WILL BE WITHOUT EXCUSE.
RN, If no man will be without excuse it means all will have enough knowledge about God to either accept God or reject Him.
Joshua had this to say:
Joshua 24:15
14“Now, therefore, fear the LORD and serve Him in sincerity and truth; and put away the gods which your fathers served beyond the River and in Egypt, and serve the LORD.
15“If it is disagreeable in your sight to serve the LORD, choose for yourselves today whom you will serve: whether the gods which your fathers served which were beyond the River, or the gods of the Amorites in whose land you are living; but as for me and my house, we will serve the LORD.”
The above shows that man is ABLE to choose God because God has made Himself evident through creation...
and happily for US....through His word, the bible.
Easy.
Paul is referring to the OT.
Paul is stating that evil had flourished in Israel.....
See Psalm 14:1-3
Psalm 53:1-3
and others.....
If it's true that NONE SEEKETH GOD as in Romans 3:10
then there's a big conflict in the bible because in tens of verses it states that we ARE TO SEEK GOD.
How do you reconcile that RN?
This is the problem with calvinism: IT CAUSES CONFLICT IN THE BIBLE which should not exist and does NOT exist in any other denomination because the bible is read as a whole idea and not in verses.
See above.
Every Christian believes that it's necessary to be born again to UNDERSTAND the bible and its wisdom.
No problem here....it's your interpretation, slanted by calvinism, that causes the problem.
Again?
So you mean that all those verses that state that we can seek the Lord ARE LYING?
So this means we cannot trust the bible......
Is THIS your solution?
Or maybe the solution is that your entire theology is WRONG.
Easy.
God is evident to ALL MEN. Read about Romans 1:19-20 again in case you missed it.
The man that CHOOSES to believe in God, will be given to Jesus for salvation.
See John 12:32
32“And I, if I am lifted up from the earth, will draw all men to Myself.”
The NT is a complete thought.
John 6:44 and John 12:32 would conflict except for the fact that every Christian understands these two verses.
Except for the reformed....
Their theology causes conflict after conflict.
If you think my post no. 268 was eisegesis,,,,then I suggest you NEVER bring up Romans 9 again because you and every other calvinist are unable to deal with it once its true meaning is exposed.
Instead of written articles on the subject...I'll link video.
Maybe some of those reading along would be interested even if you are NOT interested in knowing what ALL THE REST of Christianity teaches re Romans 9 to 11.
As I've said many times.....these chapters are referring to corporate salvation NOT individual salvation.
Watch them if you dare.
Can confirm this to be the case, yes lol. This is all I will comment
If you believe the 5 points of Calvinism are biblical
THEN
you are a calvinist.
My posts may not sway you....
but posts are read by many and calvinism needs to be pushed back because God is not properly represented in Calvinism.
I'm not here to change YOUR mind....although you really should get to know the REAL God of the bible.
Of course.
The WHO is probably right.
The WHAT is as wrong as wrong could be.
Show me one verse that states that man is totally depraved.
And if you're going to go to Paul speaking about ISRAEL in Psalms as he stated in Romans 3:10 then forget it and study up on what it REALLY means.
It gets tiring to have to explain YOUR verses all the time to show you HOW they're wrong
when
YOU
never explain to me why you think MY verses are wrong.
Let's see if you really know what you believe.
Two verses....
man is totally depraved.
I'm not angry RN. I don't personally know anybody on this forum.
It IS upsetting to have GOD the creator of the universe, represented the way calvinists represent Him.
It's probably upsetting to HIM too.
But that will be handled at the judgment when His true character is revealed to those that made God out to be a rather ruthless ruler.
I see. You flounder. As I said...you don't know what you believe.
Let's see what John Piper thinks about God making everything happen....:
Agreed. Every Christian knows this.
Colossians 1:17
17 He is before all things, and in him all things hold together.
This has nothing to do with free will.
Philippians 2 what??
Philippians if chock full of directions for Christians.
Why give ANY directions to followers of Jesus if God ordains events and places and everything that we do.
Why?
Philippians 2:2-4 some of the directions to the followers of Jesus:
,2make my joy complete by being of the same mind, maintaining the same love, united in spirit, intent on one purpose.
3Do nothing from selfishness or empty conceit, but with humility of mind regard one another as more important than yourselves;
4do not merely look out for your own personal interests, but also for the interests of others.
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See my post no. 350
IF you dare.
NO DENOMINATION or theologian understands Romans 9 the way the reformed/calvinists do.
NONE.
Ditto.
I've responded to many of them as to how Christian theology understands them.
Proverbs?
How about obeying what JESUS said when He came to earth to teach us what God wants from us since we were too thick headed to understand from the OT??
Personally, I would rather have a friendly exchange and conversation with someone who is open to discussion and perhaps willing to see things from another perspective; I don't find it very edifying to argue with someone, if the only point is for them to try and tear down what you said rather than consider it - so I would much rather stay silent on the matter unless the discussion is actually a two way, friendly discussion and not simply tearing one another down, as it would shame the name of the system of belief I adhere to.
But thank you for the invitation! Hope you have a blessed day!
Post numbers?
I might have missed it....
Let' s see if your verses teach that God chooses who will be saved and who will be lost:
Ephesians 1:4 your bible version above
4 According as he hath chosen us in him before the foundation of the world, that we should be holy and without blame before him in love:
From the foundation of the world, God chose us IN JESUS.....to be saved in Jesus.....
so that we should be without blame before Him.
This explains HOW God chose us from the foundation of the world.
NOT WHO He chose.
Do you deny that it's Jesus that is the Savior of the world?
God planned from the beginning that His Son would be the Savior after the fall.
THIS God DID plan.
HOW are we chosen?
In Christ.
John 3:16 FOR WHOMSOEVER BELIEVES in the Son will be saved.
We are chosen IN CHRIST.
Verse 5....same
God predestined us as adopted children BY JESUS CHRIST.
Jesus if the FIRST BORN of many.....US.
It does NOT state WHO but HOW.
We are predestined by Jesus to be children in Him.
No sir.
Predestination is always for
HOW
WHY
PURPOSE
It is NEVER for individual persons.
God wishes that all be saved.
1 Timothy 2:4
3This is good and acceptable in the sight of God our Savior,
4who desires all men to be saved and to come to the knowledge of the truth.
The following is important and shows God's loving nature:
Acts 10:34
34Opening his mouth, Peter said:
“I most certainly understand now that God is not one to show partiality, 35but in every nation the man who fears Him and does what is right is welcome to Him.
It teaches
1 That God does not show partiality and treats everyone the same.
2 The man that fears him and does what is right is welcome to Him.
Romans 8:29
God foreknew who would be saved and predestined them to be conformed to JESUS.
God foreknew who would be saved...
He DID NOT predestine who would be saved.
THOSE persons who would be saved were predestined to be conformed to His Son.
Again
HOW
NOT who.
You DID NOT who me from any Greek that foreknow means to preplan.
Is English not good enough for you?
Explain how FOREKNOW.......TO KNOW BEFORE
means
TO PREPLAN
Sorry RN
Been down this road.
Go study what it means that some vessels are made for destruction.
It has to do
The vessels of destruction were, for example, Pharaoh.....
or the Israelites that had built the golden calf.
I've already explained this before and will not do so again.
It can be easily studied....if one so wished.
The first is a complete explanation as accepted by theologians.
The second is a quick reply.
Do my posts not seem friendly to you?
Don't they sound like a conversation?
You want me to be willing to see things your way?
I've been studying Calvinism for more than 10 years...even BEFORE there was YouTube.
So I know the Calvinist perspective very well.
I'm not tearing anyone down....I'm tearing down reformed theology which did not exist in the Christian church until a few hundred years ago.
You could even use a Confession if you like.
Or you could use Calvin's Institutes of the Christian Religion.
The fact that I do NOT agree with any teaching of Calvinism does not mean that I don't understand it or that I cannot discuss it.
I'll tell you what I respect about you:
You said that tearing persons down would shame the belief system you adhere to.
This is very nice to hear....know why?
Most Calvinists I've come in contact with over the past almost 10 years on forums are not very nice persons.
They insult and demean and are rather angry persons.
It happens right here on this forum.
I don't know why this is....I have an opinion but I don't care for opinions so I'll keep it to myself.
Whatever you wish.
I also pray you have a good day/evening.
ElectedbyHim
Member
But WHY would ANY book have to be written IF Calvinism is correct?
IF God is going to just predestinate EVERYTHING,,,,,won't everything happen just as God wants anyway?
IF it's God that predestinates everything,,,,HE will determine whether or not we live a godly life.
By predestination we mean the eternal decree of God, by which He determined with Himself whatever He wished to happen with regard to every man.
John Calvin's Institutes of the Christian Religion
Book 3
Chapter 21
Paragraph 5
Let's read on a little more:
All are not created on equal terms...
John Calvin's Institutes of the Christian Religion
Book 3
Chapter 21
Paragraph 5
Calvinism states that ALL ARE NOT CREATED ON EQUAL TERMS.
Now, let's see what the NT states:
Acts 10:34
34Opening his mouth, Peter said:
“I most certainly understand now that God is not one to show partiality,
Romans 2:11
11For God shows no partiality.
Colossians 3:25
For the wrongdoer will be paid back for the wrong he has done, and there is no partiality.
Proverbs 24:23
These also are sayings of the wise. Partiality in judging is not good.
There we have it:
John Calvin teaches DIRECTLY AGAINST SCRIPTURE....
And yet, some prefer to believe John Calvin instead of those that knew Jesus.
As usual....
Calvinism creates CONFLICT in the bible.
Correct!
John 3:16 is as you state.
Whoever does A (believe)
B hapens (get saved).
That is a HOW RN.
Please read your statement again.
WHOEVER DOES IT WILL BE SAVED.
Agreed!
1. Did you mistakenly post correct doctrine?
2. Are you not certain of your belief system?
You have correctly understood John 3:16
WHOSOEVER BELIEVES WILL BE SAVED.
It's a HOW one is saved.
Not a WHO is saved.
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