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[Ritajanice]

God gave us HIS WORso we could get to know Him better.

“He must increase, but I must decrease” (John 3:30). The Psalmist sings, “O God, you are my God; earnestly I seek you; my soul thirsts for you” (Psalm 63:1
God gifted us his Living Holy Spirit, so that we can get to know the heart of God, that is where a Born Again seeks him out, because they know him in their heart.

You don’t get to know God by reading scripture, it’s by the Spirit that we know God..the Living Spirit,

• A new heart also will I give you, and a new spirit will I put within you: and I will take away the stony heart out of your flesh, and I will give you an heart of flesh.

We get to know all about God in our spirit, the Spirit testifies Of God’s truth to our spirit, he talks to our spirit that’s where we get to know him, then what we hear we check it out with the written word...that’s why a Born Again is always seeking God out with their heart...,unfortunately you think that scripture is saying that the natural man can seek God out, you are very much mistaken, just as his word says..


Once we are Born Again,Only then can the Spirit start leading us through scripture and bring it to our understanding, as it’s a Spirit filled book, therefore we must be Born Of The Spirit..scripture is understood from within our heart, as we are spirit children...the Spirit indwell s our spirit/heart, that is where we seek to know more and more of the heart of God, just as his word says.

For without the Spirit, one can only read / understand the Bible from their own human capacity.

 

[GodsGrace]

No GG.

You can only seek God out more and more, once we are Born Again, because it’s with heart that we seek him, therefore, our spirit has only just got to know him as a new babe, we want to seek to know more and more of his heart, that’s what seeking him out means.you couldn’t possibly know who God is,without the spiritual rebirth, impossible.

The many verses that I posted to you....which you have not explained yet...BTW....
DO NOT state anything about seeking God after one is born again.

They plainly state that WE MUST SEEK GOD.

Why do you add and subtract to verses according to how YOU view them?
Why don't you just READ what the verse states and accept it?

Because you follow A MAN instead of Jesus Christ.

We seek him out every day with our heart / soul, as that is where we know him..

Deuteronomy 4:29 - But if from thence thou shalt seek the LORD thy God, thou shalt find him, if thou seek him with all thy heart and with all thy soul

Unfortunately those who aren’t Born Again, have no light in them, they are still in darkness / sin, alienated from God.no spiritual eyes to see with, no spiritual ears to hear with, unless of course, God decides to gift them supernatural faith = Spirit gives birth to spirit...only then will they see/ hear.

NO.

Deuteronomy 4:29 states that we are to seek God with all our heart.
THAT'S ALL IT STATES.

Again...you ADD to scripture and those that wrote scripture tell us NOT to do that...and I posted at least 3 verses confirming this.
You are NOT TO ADD to scripture.

YOU don't get to write the bible....
It has already been written for us with the inspiration of God.

You see Gg, I did ask you why we need to be Born Again, to which you never replied, the Bible was written under the influence of the Spirit, therefore it must be a Spirit filled book, ..so to understand it, one must be Born Again, one must know Jesus in their heart/spirit, to truly understand that he was the Living Messiah....

Please post the verse where it states what you have said above.
I can't find any.

The bible is understood deeply by those that are born again.
To the natural man many ideas in the bible make no sense.

OTOH,,,,,many persons have read the bible and THEN become born again.
The scriptures CAUSE the person to become born again.

Romans 8:17
Faith comes by hearing the Word of God.


Somehow or other you HEARD about Jesus and THEN you CHOSE to go to Him and become saved.

You can rant on how you didn't choose anything....
but you DID CHOOSE to believe in Jesus.

Man has free will....
Calvinists don't believe in free will but the bible is full of verses that teach free will.
Here's just one:

Philemon 1:14
14but without your consent I did not want to do anything, so that your goodness would not be, in effect, by compulsion but of your own free will.


Paul is clearly stating to Philemon that he wishes he do something OF HIS OWN FREE WILL....

but, of course, you don't believe scripture so you'll ignore the PLAIN AND CLEAR statement.

The natural man has no understanding of God....they only know what they read by their own human capacity, nothing spiritual comes out of their mouth, only what their human capacity thinks the Bible is saying.

Every Christian knows that to understand the bible fully spiritually, one must be born again.

Did you know that there are many theologians that are NOT spiritual and yet understand the bible better than YOU do?
Yes. This is true also.

Romans 3:10-17​

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New International Version​

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10 As it is written:
“There is no one righteous, not even one;
11 there is no one who understands;
there is no one who seeks God.

Romans 3:10-18​

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King James Version​

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10 As it is written, There is none righteous, no, not one:
11 There is none that understandeth, there is none that seeketh after God.

Oh. So you pick out ONE VERSE that makes a statement that goes back to the OT and is written by Paul for a very SPECIFIC REASON,,,,and use it to deny the tens of veses that state that MAN MUST SEEK GOD.
Do a little study on what Romans 3:11 means.
And go where it takes you.
Which will not be Calvinism.

This is what Calvinism does:

It picks and chooses which verses it likes and disregards the rest or twists them out of shape.

This causes CONFLICT within the bible.
And...as everyone knows THERE IS NO CONFLICT IN THE BIBLE.....
except, of course, the conflict that Calvinists create.

12 They are all gone out of the way, they are together become unprofitable; there is none that doeth good, no, not one.
13 Their throat is an open sepulchre; with their tongues they have used deceit; the poison of asps is under their lips:
14 Whose mouth is full of cursing and bitterness:
15 Their feet are swift to shed blood:
16 Destruction and misery are in their ways:
17 And the way of peace have they not known:
18 There is no fear of God before their eyes.

Also GG..I don’t serve an emotional God, he is no respecter of persons.

Apparently you don't know what it means for God not to be a respector of persons.
You need to do some serious study.
I did post at least 3 verses regarding this...
Did you not understand ANY of them?

Strange.

You think God is an emotional God, then you are very much mistaken.

I didn't say that and don't put words into my mouth.
You also state stuff you THINK I believe which is also the same.

This is why I do NOT enjoy speaking to you.
I do this for the sake of those reading along who are thinking that MAYBE Calvinism might be the right way to go.

I write as a WARNING to them.

Romans 2:11In-Context 11 For there is no respect of persons with God. 12 For as many as have sinned without law shall also perish without law: and as many as have sinned in the law shall be judged by the law; 13 (For not the hearers of the law are just before God, but the doers of the law shall be justified.

What?

There you go again.
§What does the above have to do with anything?

 

[GodsGrace]

“He must increase, but I must decrease” (John 3:30). The Psalmist sings, “O God, you are my God; earnestly I seek you; my soul thirsts for you” (Psalm 63:1

God gifted us his Living Holy Spirit, so that we can get to know the heart of God, that is where a Born Again seeks him out, because they know him in their heart.

You don’t get to know God by reading scripture, it’s by the Spirit that we know God..the Living Spirit,

• A new heart also will I give you, and a new spirit will I put within you: and I will take away the stony heart out of your flesh, and I will give you an heart of flesh.

We get to know all about God in our spirit, the Spirit testifies Of God’s truth to our spirit, he talks to our spirit that’s where we get to know him, then what we hear we check it out with the written word...that’s why a Born Again is always seeking God out with their heart...,unfortunately you think that scripture is saying that the natural man can seek God out, you are very much mistaken, just as his word says..


Once we are Born Again,Only then can the Spirit start leading us through scripture and bring it to our understanding, as it’s a Spirit filled book, therefore we must be Born Of The Spirit..scripture is understood from within our heart, as we are spirit children...the Spirit indwell s our spirit/heart, that is where we seek to know more and more of the heart of God, just as his word says.

For without the Spirit, one can only read / understand the Bible from their own human capacity.

Here's a fact for you:
YOU certainly don't know God.

You refuse to learn about Him.
You demean His perfect character.
You misrepresent the very being that created you.
You lead no one to God.
In fact your theology has caused many to abandon Christianity altogether.

If you respond to these posts,,,,,I will not be responding to yours.

 

[GodsGrace]

@Ronald Nolette

Still waiting for your reply to my post no. 268

Your demeaning language and ad hominem remarks are very tiring.
Your accusations that I do not use scripture are very tiring.

Let's see if you could be serious for just one time.

 

[Marvelloustime]

Happy time is sneaking up sister .

Brother @amigo de christo is spotted.

 

[GodsGrace]

Therein lies the problem . right there . many seem to continually change the chararcter of GOD
and yet beleive its the SPIRIT of GOD they be heeding .
when in truth its the flesh . many are changing the image of GOD into something else that contradicts HIS OWN WORDS .
and boy howdy is that a problem . Big TIME PROBLEM . GOD is not a man
that does such a thing . Many have a problem with the words inspired BY GOD and rather love
the words and feelings and thoughts inspired by men and themselves to suit an image of GOD in their own image .
THIS is the core of it and the root of it .
Neither you , me , rita or any HAS SEEN GOD . and yet i , you , her and anyone else can all claim
we are born again and yet many preach contrary ,.
THE KEY IS , is what we believe IN AGREEMENT WITH the scrips , OR HAS IT BEEN ALTERED , twisted and actaully
is contrary to the scrips . But even to type that means that they who read this will accuse me
OF NOT LOVING GOD but rather a book . KINDA ODD , dont ya think .
HOW can one LOVE GOD if they DO NOT LOVE HIS WORDS . and the answer is , WELL THEY DONT .
IF a man loveth not , rejoices not IN TRUTH , then their love is not for GOD or OF GOD , its of the world .

Amigo,,,,
many "scripts" as you say have been added to, twisted, altered.

I see some verses that could be taken to mean something different and I'm willing to discuss with those that understand a verse in a different manner. I don't think this is twisting or altering, but having a different understanding of scripture.

BUT

Some verses are so plain,,,,so clear.....that to twist or alter them will CAUSE CONFLICT in the very scriptures we're supposed to be depending on for our knowledge about God....which we call Theology.

And this is what happens in Calvinism.
It causes conflict.

As you know....I don't agree with all Catholic doctrine.....BUT there is only ONE that actually causes conflict - and that's the doctrine of purgatory: either Jesus was sufficient for forgiveness OR He wasn't. Simple.

In Calvinism, instead, EVERY ONE of the 5 points (which encompass the teachings of Calvinism) cause conflict !

There is NO GOSPEL there.

And,,,,they do not reflect the love God has for us....the very beings He created last and loves the most.


And this is why Calvinism is a blight on Christianity and its teachings.
I think you agree.

IF ONLY people would read the bible FOR THEMSELVES....they would come to know how much God loves all humanity and wishes for all of them to be saved.

 

[amigo de christo]

Amigo,,,,
many "scripts" as you say have been added to, twisted, altered.

I see some verses that could be taken to mean something different and I'm willing to discuss with those that understand a verse in a different manner. I don't think this is twisting or altering, but having a different understanding of scripture.

BUT

Some verses are so plain,,,,so clear.....that to twist or alter them will CAUSE CONFLICT in the very scriptures we're supposed to be depending on for our knowledge about God....which we call Theology.

And this is what happens in Calvinism.
It causes conflict.

As you know....I don't agree with all Catholic doctrine.....BUT there is only ONE that actually causes conflict - and that's the doctrine of purgatory: either Jesus was sufficient for forgiveness OR He wasn't. Simple.

In Calvinism, instead, EVERY ONE of the 5 points (which encompass the teachings of Calvinism) cause conflict !

There is NO GOSPEL there.

And,,,,they do not reflect the love God has for us....the very beings He created last and loves the most.


And this is why Calvinism is a blight on Christianity and its teachings.
I think you agree.

IF ONLY people would read the bible FOR THEMSELVES....they would come to know how much God loves all humanity and wishes for all of them to be saved.

My friend there is more than just the purgatory that causes conflict .
They teach to pray to saints , mary and angels . Now that my friend Would be blasphemy .
But there is something huge that many catholics might not know . vatican two made the claim long ago
that even christains and muslims serve the same GOD . AND FROM WHO do you think INTERFAITH came .
The churches are in dire trouble . The lie has been planted . and they use the name of JESUS
to now promote a lie . A lie that says and implies its not necesarry to BELEIVE ON HIM as CHRIST .
THEY slicktoo , cause like ophray they ALL SAY THEY DO BELEIVE , but then imply ITS NOT NECESSARY , however , for other
religions to BELIEVE . Satan wants the BELEIVE IN HIM part TO NOT BE BELEIVED . that is how he works .
CAUSE JESUS made darn sure to say what would occur tothose who DID NOT BELEIVE .
Visualize the garden again my friend . THERE was one TREE they were not to eat of
or they would die . the serpent convinced them TO EAT OF IT and that they would not die .
NOW THE PLANTING OF GOD WHICH IS CHRIST JESUS , well NOW satan does all to convince them
OH YE HAVE NO NEED to eat of that tree , to believe on HIM , surely ye shall not perish . WE BETTER watch out friend .
CAUSE i actaully KNOW by grace IF JESUS SAID IT THAT MEANS GOD SAID IT . and I KNOW that GOD cannot LIE .
but i know the devil does and that he can infiltrate any group from within and decieve .
WE need to get a head back into the bible my friend and stay refreshed in them lovely words and be in prayer .

 

[GodsGrace]

My friend there is more than just the purgatory that causes conflict .
They teach to pray to saints , mary and angels . Now that my friend Would be blasphemy .
But there is something huge that many catholics might not know . vatican two made the claim long ago
that even christains and muslims serve the same GOD . AND FROM WHO do you think INTERFAITH came .
The churches are in dire trouble . The lie has been planted . and they use the name of JESUS
to now promote a lie . A lie that says and implies its not necesarry to BELEIVE ON HIM as CHRIST .
THEY slicktoo , cause like ophray they ALL SAY THEY DO BELEIVE , but then imply ITS NOT NECESSARY , however , for other
religions to BELIEVE . Satan wants the BELEIVE IN HIM part TO NOT BE BELEIVED . that is how he works .
CAUSE JESUS made darn sure to say what would occur tothose who DID NOT BELEIVE .
Visualize the garden again my friend . THERE was one TREE they were not to eat of
or they would die . the serpent convinced them TO EAT OF IT and that they would not die .
NOW THE PLANTING OF GOD WHICH IS CHRIST JESUS , well NOW satan does all to convince them
OH YE HAVE NO NEED to eat of that tree , to believe on HIM , surely ye shall not perish . WE BETTER watch out friend .
CAUSE i actaully KNOW by grace IF JESUS SAID IT THAT MEANS GOD SAID IT . and I KNOW that GOD cannot LIE .
but i know the devil does and that he can infiltrate any group from within and decieve .
WE need to get a head back into the bible my friend and stay refreshed in them lovely words and be in prayer .

I agree, but just let me say this:
There's a difference between a doctrine being INCORRECT
and a doctrine causing CONFLICT within scripture.

Praying to saints is a wrong doctrine.
Purgatory causes conflict.

Causing a conflict is worse because any denomination could have an incorrect doctrine...
But a denomination should not be causing conflict in scripture by a teaching of theirs.

As to the rest of your post....yes, of course it's all true and I do believe most Christians are aware of this.
If someone says NO to Jesus...they are saying no to God.

Maybe it's a little like what you said about Oprah.
It's better to hear someone say I DON'T BELIEVE....
rather than to hear I'M A BELIEVER
and then they support abortion and all that other woke agenda that is ruining our country.
Yes....I think that's worse ... at least the atheist is honest. That cannot be said by the Oprah types...
they're downright malicious. (and some are on this very forum and all forums).

 

[Ritajanice]

The many verses that I posted to you....which you have not explained yet...BTW....
DO NOT state anything about seeking God after one is born again.

They plainly state that WE MUST SEEK GOD.

Yes, once Born Again.you can’t seek God, Only if he wills it.as scripture explains.

Why do you add and subtract to verses according to how YOU view them?
Why don't you just READ what the verse states and accept it?

Because you follow A MAN instead of Jesus Christ.

I follow the Spirit, you follow yourself , anyone who has discernment can see that..you have zero understand spiritual matters..

NO.

Deuteronomy 4:29 states that we are to seek God with all our heart.
THAT'S ALL IT STATES.

Again...you ADD to scripture and those that wrote scripture tell us NOT to do that...and I posted at least 3 verses confirming this.
You are NOT TO ADD to scripture.

We are to seek God after we are Born Again, sadly as you follow yourself, have no knowledge of what it means to be Born Again,..I rebuke your opinion of scripture.

YOU don't get to write the bible....
It has already been written for us with the inspiration of God.

I get to , through the power of the Spirit who is within me, who interprets the meaning of scripture, I don’t believe that you understand what the Living spirit rebirth means, as you can’t answer any of my Spirit questions. You talk like the natural man.

Please post the verse where it states what you have said above.
I can't find any.

The bible is understood deeply by those that are born again.
To the natural man many ideas in the bible make no sense.

I don’t believe you understand the meaning of Born Again, as imo, you speak in the flesh, no sign of spiritual life,

OTOH,,,,,many persons have read the bible and THEN become born again.
The scriptures CAUSE the person to become born again.

Not Biblical, no scripture can cause any one to become Born Again,only the Living Spirit can birth our spirit, which you have zero understanding of.

Romans 8:17
Faith comes by hearing the Word of God.

Faith is a supernatural gift from God. Biblical.

Somehow or other you HEARD about Jesus and THEN you CHOSE to go to Him and become saved.

You can rant on how you didn't choose anything....
but you DID CHOOSE to believe in Jesus.

I was chosen and predestined to be Born Again ,your opinion doesnt count, like I said, if God chooses to bring one’s spirit Alive in Christ ,it will 100% be done..your freewill has no say in the rebirth, plus it’s not biblical.

Man has free will....
Calvinists don't believe in free will but the bible is full of verses that teach free will.
Here's just one:

No they don’t, rebirth can only come by supernatural divine revelation,

Philemon 1:14
14but without your consent I did not want to do anything, so that your goodness would not be, in effect, by compulsion but of your own free will.

Absolute nonsense m we are Born Of The Spirit,= supernatural divine revelation, I hope your living testimony on how you became Born Again lines up with scripture, as you’ve never shared your testimony.

Paul is clearly stating to Philemon that he wishes he do something OF HIS OWN FREE WILL....

but, of course, you don't believe scripture so you'll ignore the PLAIN AND CLEAR statement.

No free will to become Born Again, you can’t deceive me, as I know you are indoctrinated with man made religion, it sticks out a mile.

Every Christian knows that to understand the bible fully spiritually, one must be born again.

We are Born Again.a Christian is someone who isn’t Born Again, nowhere in Gods word does he say we are Born Again Christian, you added that to his word, once again, opinions, opinions is all you ever post of said scripture.

Did you know that there are many theologians that are NOT spiritual and yet understand the bible better than YOU do?
Yes. This is true also.

You must be Born Again to see the Kingdom Of God..many theologians aren’t Born Again, therefore lead themselves through scripture, just like you do.

Oh. So you pick out ONE VERSE that makes a statement that goes back to the OT and is written by Paul for a very SPECIFIC REASON,,,,and use it to deny the tens of veses that state that MAN MUST SEEK GOD.
Do a little study on what Romans 3:11 means.
And go where it takes you.
Which will not be Calvinism.

This is what Calvinism does:

No, you deny that non believers can’t seek God no not one m just as his word says..you’re the one who does the cherry picking of the scriptures , as you’re trying to seek him out that way...God looks at the heart you should know that, he doesn’t look at one’s intellect.

It picks and chooses which verses it likes and disregards the rest or twists them out of shape.

You’re are speaking about yourself here.

This causes CONFLICT within the bible.
And...as everyone knows THERE IS NO CONFLICT IN THE BIBLE.....
except, of course, the conflict that Calvinists create.

The Bible is not God, you need to ask him for divine heart revelation, as you are stuck in your own intellect and emotions, when reading the word...you need the Spirit Of Truth to bring the Bible to your understanding, your just self reliant on yourself and it shows.

Apparently you don't know what it means for God not to be a respector of persons.
You need to do some serious study.
I did post at least 3 verses regarding this...
Did you not understand ANY of them?

No one needs to study to become Born Again, once Born Again I have solely relied on the Spirit, to bring the written word to my understanding , as we are spirit children and the Bible was written in Spirit, men under the influence of the Spirit..that is the most important that you don’t understand...the Living spirit birth.

Strange.

I didn't say that and don't put words into my mouth.
You also state stuff you THINK I believe which is also the same.

This is why I do NOT enjoy speaking to you.
I do this for the sake of those reading along who are thinking that MAYBE Calvinism might be the right way to go.

You don’t enjoy speaking to me because I’m in Gods Living truth...and not making up some fantasy story on how you can have a conversation with God and ask him to save you, that’s the story you tell, day in day out.

I write as a WARNING to them.


What?

There you go again.
§What does the above have to do with anything?

I pray in Jesus Name, that you come to understand what it truly means to be Born Again in one’s spirit...Amen.

 

[Ritajanice]

Here's a fact for you:
YOU certainly don't know God.

I know God in my spirit as that is where his seed remains.

I pray that you know God in your spirit, because that he loved us first, in our hearts, I also pray that you know that his seed remains in your spirit.

You refuse to learn about Him.
You demean His perfect character.
You misrepresent the very being that created you.
You lead no one to God.
In fact your theology has caused many to abandon Christianity altogether.

If you respond to these posts,,,,,I will not be responding to yours.

You are an accuser and a liar, God speaks scripture to my heart nearly all day long, I seek him out with all my heart.you try and seek him out with scripture, there you won’t find...he must come to you if he so chooses by = supernatural divine heart revelation.just as his word says.

1 Corinthians 2:14

King James Version

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14 But the natural man receiveth not the things of the Spirit of God: for they are foolishness unto him: neither can he know them, because they are spiritually discerned.

 

[JohnDB]

God's election is not selection.
God knows the end just as well as the beginning and the middle. No surprise parties for God. (Jesus? yes. But that was one of many more important reasons for living a human lifestyle)

So..
Look at the parable of soils.

All the different soul types were made that way by mankind. From ignorance, negligence to intentional actions by mankind each one of the soils produced a different crop.

Some soil is always (for the near future) going to be bad because of what people have done.
Some soil conditions can be remedied....others cannot.

Then....I suggest another soil. The radioactive soil. It's free of weeds and is fertilized. The seed is not eaten by birds or trodden underfoot.

But the crops are deformed and toxic to all who consume it.

 

[GodsGrace]

And you lead people no where. Which by default sends them to the lake of fire.

You are unable to show from Scripture why you think the five points are not biblical nor are you able to from Scripture post why believe your five pits of Arminiansm is biblical.

Empty words from an empty soul

The above is not for me....
but I started with the 5 points using
TOTAL DEPRAVITY which teaches than man is UNABLE to seek God.

Still waiting on your reply to my post no. 268
which proves beyond any doubt that God wishes/requires man to SEEK HIM.

Thanks for a reply.

 

[GodsGrace]

Well I'm definitely not a Calvinist. I just have a healthy respect and fear of God.
And God's Sovereignty? Somewhere between Jonah, Caleb, Elijah (under the broom tree), and Sampson is where I sit at theologically.

But we can know specifically what Jesus meant.
First....forget the Greek and Latin. Let's go to Hebrew lexicons and see the word in its entirety using theological dictionaries and the synonyms.
Then let's use the concordance to look at this exact phrase to see where it's been used.

Then draw a conclusion as to the whole of what other passages that allude to this expression might intend.

Then the understanding might come to fruition as to what Jesus (using word pictures) might have meant to the apostles who asked the question about this topic.

I guess it's a topic for another day.
But I do want to add this.....

One of the reasons I learned that Jesus spoke in parables was that they appealed to a vast audience.
And He did something that professors don't do anymore these days.
He wanted his audience to think.

So the parables Jesus told could be understood in different ways,,,,or maybe I should say that a person could take away from it what they needed. They were, as we say nowadays, flexible/fluid.

There were other reasons too,,,,,but I like this one.
Jesus was such a good psychologist!

 

[Bladerunner]

Didn't read your entire post Bladerunner....
But here's what a hyper-calvinist is:


A Calvinist that is willing to be HONEST about what Calvinism teaches.

Like, for instance, that God created evil.

It is Biblical

Some Calvinists just can't accept that this is what John Calvin taught.
They had to change what he taught because it's TOO MUCH even for them.

There are many upon many who change the words of GOD to fit their lifestyles or worldview theological or other.

However, Calvin taught that God created even evil.
Why?

Because GOD told us He did. As I stated, It is biblical

So that it could have meaning...according to the likes of MacArthur and Piper...
otherwise,,,,gee....a girl getting RAPED would have no meaning at all...

really

But since God predestinated the rape....

How did GOD predestine Rape....by creating "evil"?? Man took His free will and used this evil even though He did not have to, raped this little Girl..nOk,, Its Gods fault---right????

IT MUST SURELY HAVE A GOOD REASON.

Hyper Calvinists should be grateful to God for making RAPE have a good reason.

You keep talking about Hyper Calvinist, yet your not really saying what it is. Do you even Know?

 

[GodsGrace]

It is Biblical

God created evil?
I wouldn't say it's biblical...
but it's what hyper-calvinists believe and this is what I was responding to.

Actually, a hyper-calvinist is a true calvinist....what John Calvin taught.
It got softened down a bit because it's so extreme even calvinists can't accept some of his theology.

There are many upon many who change the words of GOD to fit their lifestyles or worldview theological or other.

True.
Homosexuals understand their own way.
No works allowed Christians understand their own way.
Some are so extreme in their world view that they can't really be considered to be Christian.

But those of us who claim to be Christian...SHOULD be reading the NT very carefully and we should, pretty much, all be coming to the same conclusions.

I must say, and if we want to be honest, that the reformed have a theology that is unlike the theology of any other Christian group.
We could get into this if you like.

In fact, I go so far as to say, many times over,
that there is NO GOSPEL in the reformed denomination.

And yet we have 4 books in the NT that are called THE GOOD NEWS.

Because GOD told us He did. As I stated, It is biblical

I agree with you that true Calvinists believe that God created evil.
I'll just say this for now: It's interesting that throughout the NT we're told to do good and NOT to do evil.

IF God created evil and man does evil - which, of course, God predestinated him to do before the beginning of time...

what sense does it make for Jesus to state that we will end up in hell if we do evil ??

really

Yes Bladerunner. Really.
Some calvinists openly state that if God had not predestinated and CAUSED evil to happen...
evil like rape would have no meaning.

I have heard anti-Calvinists usually argue against Calvinism by quoting James White's response to a question "does God decree child rape" to which he responded "yes, otherwise it's a meaningless evil."
source: God's decrees: The whole "child rape" argument

I goes on to explain it away a little....but I've hard James white make this argument myself....
and he does NOT back away from it.

How did GOD predestine Rape....by creating "evil"?? Man took His free will and used this evil even though He did not have to, raped this little Girl..nOk,, Its Gods fault---right????

You believe man has free will?
So you're NOT a calvinist?

You keep talking about Hyper Calvinist, yet your not really saying what it is. Do you even Know?

I stated VERY CLEARLY what hyper-calvinism is in my first post to you.

If you think I haven't stated it correctly.....perhaps you should correct me.

 

[Ronald Nolette]

Do you believe God makes everything happen in a persons life?

no. He does order things in a person slife, but which are by His design and which by our freedom, I cannot say.

 

[Ronald Nolette]

Now....Listen Carefully...

JOHN 3:16, says that God gave Jesus to the WORLD... and not just to the predestined, elect., as Lying Calvinism the (5) teaches.

Paul said.>>"ALL who believe in Jesus, shall be saved"... He didnt say, "only the predestined can believe and be saved".

Jesus said.. "ALL who believe in me, I give unto you, eternal life, and you shall never go to Hell (Perish)... but He didnt say.. "all who were predestined i can give eternal life".

And I answered your error in thinking on this verse many times. It goes to your lack of skill in basic grammar.

And Jesus didn't say, "all who exercise their free will and believe on me will be saved". Please pay attention this time. this is a simple declaratory statement. It has nothing to do with free will or preestination. It just says who ever believes- will get saved. It says nothing about how one gets saved. But if you do no tknow this already, then I have to reevaluate your level of education.

Listen..

Calvinism as Hyper.. the 5 Points, is teaching that Christ would literally turn people away from His Cross.

That is Satanic theology, and you are teaching it @Ronald Nolette

And you have failed totally to try to prove your hypothesis here.

 

[GodsGrace]

no. He does order things in a person slife, but which are by His design and which by our freedom, I cannot say.

RN You're one of these posters that doesn't know if he's calvinist or not.
Look at that post up there.
Could a person be more confused?

No wonder you never reply to my posts....
You don't know what you believe.

I feel badly for Christianity....
I really do.
It seems to have lost all direction in Christians such as yourself.

Really,,,read you post a couple of times and then explain it in your own words.....
you won't be able to.

GOD DOES NOT MAKE EVERYTHING HAPPEN
BUT GOD ORDERS THINGS

What's the difference?

SOME ARE BY DESIGN
SOME BY OUR FREEDOM

What freedom if God orders everything?

Oi vey.

 

[Ronald Nolette]

@Ronald Nolette ..who are the elect of God?

And who the ones that Behold keeps talking about?

As I’m afraid his posts make no sense to me.

Well I cannot speak for behold. He efuses to show form Scrikpture what he believes.

The elct of God are the ones god has chosen! He does the electing (choosing) and He chose individuals before the foundation of the word to be holy in Him.

As to who is and who isn't individually- that is way beyond my pay grade.

 

[Ronald Nolette]

On a Forum, I lead people away from Heretics.
How do i do that?
I engage them , and they respond with their heresy, and then other members who are not deceived can read and easily see their circular reasoning, and their inability to understand the most simple NT verse.... because their cult theology does not allow them to see the truth.

For example, i can post..>>"'For God so loved the WORLD that He gave JESUS"...

And then a Calvinist will see that as... "For God so predestined only some"...

See that? That is what Calvinism does to your mind.....

See you are so twisted by your hatred you cannot even see the lies you spew!

I believe John 3:16, 100% But it says nothing about how or why or by what means a person believes.

You rpretend Calvinist response is just a lie. We do know only the predestined and chosen and elect get saved, for that is gods word on how people get saved.

You should go back to the 3rd grade to brush up on primary grammar. You clearly do not know how a sentence is constructed.