I've read what you said about @TheslightestID. But isn't it better to show him the error of his ways, which we are told to do as per 1 Peter 3:15?
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Forgiveness is to those who keep the commandments of the Lord.
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I've read what you said about @TheslightestID. But isn't it better to show him the error of his ways, which we are told to do as per 1 Peter 3:15?
To God Be The Glory
Grailhunter
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Like I said....
It is up to you JunChosen as to how much time you want to spend on him...he is obviously a Decepticon. LOL
There is an age of accountability according to Romans 7:9. As soon as a child is able to comprehend the law, they become accountable to the law and will die spiritually if they violate it.
He was filled with the Holy Spirit from his mother's womb; which means that the love of the Lord was shed abroad in his heart (Romans 5:5).
This love is the fulfilling of the righteousness of the law (Romans 13:8-10, Galatians 5:14, 1 John 5:3, 2 John 1:6, Romans 8:4).
1Jo 5:2, By this we know that we love the children of God, when we love God, and keep his commandments.
1Jo 5:3, For this is the love of God, that we keep his commandments: and his commandments are not grievous.
2Jo 1:6, And this is love, that we walk after his commandments. This is the commandment, That, as ye have heard from the beginning, ye should walk in it.
Rom 13:8, Owe no man any thing, but to love one another: for he that loveth another hath fulfilled the law.
Rom 13:9, For this, Thou shalt not commit adultery, Thou shalt not kill, Thou shalt not steal, Thou shalt not bear false witness, Thou shalt not covet; and if there be any other commandment, it is briefly comprehended in this saying, namely, Thou shalt love thy neighbour as thyself.
Rom 13:10, Love worketh no ill to his neighbour: therefore love is the fulfilling of the law.
The Decalogue and the 613 commandments are not God's commandments?
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But that is precisely what the Bible says. There is indeed a merit system, which is only just and fair.
For other foundation can no man lay than that is laid, which is Jesus Christ. Now if any man build upon this foundation gold, silver, precious stones, wood, hay, stubble; Every man's work shall be made manifest: for the day shall declare it, because it shall be revealed by fire; and the fire shall try every man's work of what sort it is. If any man's work abide which he hath built thereupon, he shall receive a reward. If any man's work shall be burned, he shall suffer loss: but he himself shall be saved; yet so as by fire. (1 Cor 3:11-15)
Gold, silver, precious stones are listed in order of value. So are wood, hay, stubble. The first group of works will earn rewards according to value (or merit) and the second group will suffer loss according to merit also.
These are the fruit of the Spirit, which are produced in this life. But rewards are in the afterlife.
I am not sure which ones you highlighted, but let's just go back to the Scriptures posted:
Psalm 103:18 -- Would be applicable to those under the Law of Moses (the Israelites and Jews). Thus "to keep His covenant" corresponds to Exodus 19:5: Now therefore, if ye will obey my voice indeed, and keep my covenant, then ye shall be a peculiar treasure unto me above all people: for all the earth is mine: It is obvious that this is addressed to Israel which was regarded by God as "above all people" and God's "peculiar treasure". These two passages do not address the basis for the forgiveness of sins.
John 15:12-14: Is clearly addressed to believers, who are required to keep (observe) the commandments of Christ. The primary commandment of Christ was for His people to love one another as He had loved them. And the Law of Christ is in fact the application of the Ten Commandments which were summed up in the two greatest commandments. Thus Romans 13:8-10 ties the Ten Commandments to the Law of Love -- that love is the fulfilling of the Law. But again these passages also do not the address the basis for the forgiveness (remission) of sins.
So on what grounds does God forgive sins and sinners? It is purely on the basis of Christ and His finished work of redemption: And He [Christ] took the cup, and gave thanks, and gave it to them, saying, Drink ye all of it; For this is my blood of the New Testament [Covenant], which is shed for many for the remission of sins. (Mt 26:27,28)
What are God's conditions for the application of the blood of Christ to the forgiveness of sins? Repentance toward God, and faith toward our Lord Jesus Christ (Acts 20:21). Therefore this is what Christ said regarding the Gospel: And that repentance and remission of sins should be preached in His [Christ's] name among all nations, beginning at Jerusalem. (Luke 24:47) And therefore this is what Peter preached:
Repent ye therefore, and be converted, that your sins may be blotted out, when the times of refreshing shall come from the presence of the Lord (Acts 2:19)
Since believers are not exempt from sinning, the apostle John makes it clear that the confession of present sins (which implies repentance) is necessary for the forgiveness of sins (1 John 1 & 2). There are deceivers who try to suggest that these chapters are not addressed to Christians, but it should be obvious to any Christian that they are indeed addressed to "brethren".
In view of this, the title of this thread is PATENTLY FALSE and misleading: "Forgiveness is to those who keep the commandments of the Lord." This is not Christian theology. The poster should simply withdraw his thread.
mailmandan
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Strong's Concordance
ergon: work
Original Word: ἔργον, ου, τό
Part of Speech: Noun, Neuter
Transliteration: ergon
Phonetic Spelling: (er'-gon)
Definition: work
Usage: work, task, employment; a deed, action; that which is wrought or made, a work.
HELPS Word-studies
2041 érgon (from ergō, "to work, accomplish") – a work or worker who accomplishes something. 2041 /érgon ("work") is a deed (action) that carries out (completes) an inner desire (intension, purpose).
Strong's Greek: 2041. ἔργον (ergon) -- work
Hidden In Him
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Sure they do. Psalm 103 starts as follows:
Psa 103:12, As far as the east is from the west, so far hath he removed our transgressions from us.
Psa 103:13, Like as a father pitieth his children, so the LORD pitieth them that fear him.
Psa 103:14, For he knoweth our frame; he remembereth that we are dust.
Psa 103:15, As for man, his days are as grass: as a flower of the field, so he flourisheth.
Psa 103:16, For the wind passeth over it, and it is gone; and the place thereof shall know it no more.
Psa 103:17, But the mercy of the LORD is from everlasting to everlasting upon them that fear him, and his righteousness unto children's children;
Psa 103:18, To such as keep his covenant, and to those that remember his commandments to do them.
Ziggy
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I get confused sometimes...
Wasn't the first Christians Jews?
I mean was Peter, Paul, John, James, etc.. weren't these Jews before they were called Christians?
So was the NT written by Christians or Jews?
How can one say, this was only for this group or that group when they all fell under the same banner?
I could understand converting from Judaism to Christianity.
But I believe the first Christians were actually Jews.
So we are either part of or partakers with the Jews into the conversion process..
or we are counterfeit.
It was Rome who segregated Christianity from Judaism.
It was Rome who changed the Sabbath
It was Rome who killed anyone who didn't agree with their narrative.
And then one day a Pagan worshipper became the head of the Roman Church.
And everyone followed.
All of Paul's teachings come from the Torah. All the Prophets and Psalms etc, are of Judaism origens.
Jesus himself was a Jew.
And yet we say... oh that was for the Jews not the Christians..
hello?
Wasn't the first Christians Jews?
I mean was Peter, Paul, John, James, etc.. weren't these Jews before they were called Christians?
So was the NT written by Christians or Jews?
How can one say, this was only for this group or that group when they all fell under the same banner?
I could understand converting from Judaism to Christianity.
But I believe the first Christians were actually Jews.
So we are either part of or partakers with the Jews into the conversion process..
or we are counterfeit.
It was Rome who segregated Christianity from Judaism.
It was Rome who changed the Sabbath
It was Rome who killed anyone who didn't agree with their narrative.
And then one day a Pagan worshipper became the head of the Roman Church.
And everyone followed.
All of Paul's teachings come from the Torah. All the Prophets and Psalms etc, are of Judaism origens.
Jesus himself was a Jew.
And yet we say... oh that was for the Jews not the Christians..
hello?
Grailhunter
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LOL Oh I mean really belly roll laughing. That was a good one!
You are the Pagans!
Ziggy
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I'm glad you found that amusing.. :)
There are a lot of counterfeit religions.
Constantine was a pagan worshipper before he became head of the Roman Church.
INFILTRATION.
What is it they say.. if you can't beat them, join them.
And then twist everything until you make it your own.
I don't know about you but I am witnessing the event of the millenium.
Lies are now truth, evil is good,
mind control is real.
How many times has this happened throughout history?
Coersion through fear.
I think many religions in the world have been coopted by the devil.
Everyone believes their version is the right one.
In the end though, we are all humans trying to make our way home.
Why does there always have to be division.
Unity is this dimension is unattainable.
There is neither Jew nor Gentile... we are all lost in this thing we call humanity.
anywhoo..
keep smiling :)
Hugs
Those are the outcomes of forgiveness. There is a difference between basis and outcomes. I already showed you the basis, and you should have concurred totally.
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This is incorrect and contrary to the Gospel. Salvation (justification) is by grace through faith + NOTHING. Good works do follow. but they do not save. They offer evidence of salvation.
Also, "believing God" means believing on the Lord Jesus Christ and His finished work of redemption. Eternal life is God's GIFT to the one who believes on Christ (Rom 6:23). Paul said "Believe on the Lord Jesus Christ and thou shalt be saved" (Acts 16:31). And there are many more verses confirming this truth.
Not doing evil and doing good are a RESULT of salvation. Salvation includes repentance and the New Birth. And that leads to righteousness, holiness, and good works.
Kindly read and study Paul's epistle to the Hebrews. The Old Covenant (the Law of Moses) was for Israel and the Jews. It remained in effect until the crucifixion of Christ. It no longer applies.
The New Covenant is also for Israel and the Jews but includes the Gentiles. Since the day of Pentecost, God sees no difference between Jews and Gentiles. However, after the Rapture, God will resume His dealings with the nation of Israel and Jews worldwide.
mailmandan
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Grailhunter
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LOL So were your ancestors! History is really goood! You should try some! Fiction maybe more fun, but facts are stranger! LOL
What I like best about what you said is....Hugs....can I have some?
Eternally Grateful
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Grace and works do not mix. It is either of grace or it is of works.
You can't do one work which will cause God to forgive you of one sin, Let alone the many sins you have against your account.
As paul said. Not of works of righteousness (good deeds) which we have done but by his mercy
You want to boast about your works. Boast. But not before God (romans 4 eph 2) because God will tell you to depart for he never knew you
Eternally Grateful
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Actually no. Jesus words and yours are different.
Jesus did not tell us to earn our salvation. If we could earn it, he would not have had to die.
Eternally Grateful
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Your issue is this is a descriptive passage not a prescriptive.
Gods people do good works. As a result of their salvation. Not to earn salvation.
Those not born of God have no works. Their works are evil. because even when they do a good deed. It is of the flesh which is sin.
John tells us those born of God can not sin, Whoever sins has never seen or known God.
In the same token, Whoever sins is condemned. WHoever claims they have faith but has no works (a byproduct of faith) has no faith. (it is dead)
Paul said we are saved by GRACE through faith. If you have no faith (or it id dead) you have no salvation
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