Forgiveness is to those who keep the commandments of the Lord.

[marks]

I really, really like this. Sorry I laughed. But it's so apt a description and is exactly why trust is the only part He gives us.

I picked that up from Mere Christianity, C.S. Lewis. I thought it describes me pretty good!

Much love!

 

[amigo de christo]

That's a good point!

:)

The question folks need to be asking themselves is , What JESUS did i come too and which JESUS do i serve .
That is the problem . For if we are HIS we are hearers and doers . We dont just say LORD and yet do not the things HE says .
Lambs love Christ and love and obediance cannot be seperated .
AS JESUS made sure . HE who loves me , KEEPS my sayings . Many need to examine what JESUS we are indeed beleiving in
and what JESUS are we following . For if men preach another jesus , that one cannot save .
Many are blindly following another version of jesus . Cause any version of JESUS that omits His sayings
I am telling us , ITS NOT JESUS its of satan . many serve satan and think its jesus . IT would be so simple
if we would just return to reading those bibles for ourselves . Now may all be encouraged . Eamine to see
whether we truly do walk in THE FAITH . Every word recorded in that canon , WAS and IS GOD INSPIRED .
YES . Thus i say lets ensure we are being taught THE JESUS and not another jesus .

 

[stunnedbygrace]

Absolutely. :)


Agreed again. I leave the work of grace in people's lives to the Lord. I only stand up for what I feel is proper doctrine, so that they do not get cheated into thinking He requires nothing of them as a result of it. :) He wants what's best for us, and it is to be conformed to His beautiful Image.

I agree that it is shocking and a little distressing to hear someone say they do not have to hold fast to their trust to the end but...if you see them holding fast to their trust even while claiming they dont have to if they dont want to, you just kind of shrug your shoulders and think...this is the "terrible twos" and God will grow them out of it.

I mean, the son who said no but then did what his father said was obedient. I mean, I'm laughing, but...

 

[Hidden In Him]

I agree that it is shocking and a little distressing to hear someone say they do not have to hold fast to their trust to the end but...if you see them holding fast to their trust even while claiming they dont have to if they dont want to, you just kind of shrug your shoulders and think...this is the "terrible twos" and God will grow them out of it.

I mean, the son who said no but then did what his father said was obedient. I mean, I'm laughing, but...

Good word. :)

 

[Behold]

That's a good point!

:)

WE came to the Cross as the "ungodly".
"God who justifies the UNGODLY">.. who "do no works"....

Romans 4:5

So, if God justifies us for doing no works, and while we are UNGODLY, is He going to get rid of us later for not doing what God didnt require from us to begin with??

God SAVED US= when we didnt work and were UNGODLY......... and now you have legalists teaching that you have to DO THINGS or God will get rid of you.
= This theology, is literally, Cross denying and crazy.

 

[marks]

IT would be so simple
if we would just return to reading those bibles for ourselves .

That's what got me growing!

Much love!

 

[Hidden In Him]

WE came to the Cross as the "ungodly".
"God who justifies the UNGODLY">.. who "do no works"....

Romans 4:5

So, if God justifies us for doing no works, and while we are UNGODLY, is He going to get rid of us later for not doing what God didnt require from us to begin with??

He just took us, when we didnt work and were UNGODLY......... and now you have legalists teaching that you have to DO THINGS or God will get rid of you.

This theology, is literally, Cross denying and crazy.

Behold, if what I teach is crazy, then respond to Post #47.

It's been almost an hour now, and clearly you are able to respond to others. When people question what you believe, you are supposed to give a sound answer if you know what you are talking about. Don't just label it "crazy" and walk off. Simply labelling it crazy makes it look like you have no solid answer, so you are just dismissing it so you don't have to address it.

 

[stunnedbygrace]

well you were half way right . but you forgot , it says save some through compassion , others through fear
hating even the garment spotted by the flesh . We cant have a lop sided message .
WE must continue to behold BOTH the GOODNESS of GOD and The SEVERITY of GOD .
otherwise we create a false goodness . Just like many today have . We must behold both .

It's up to a father when he decides his child is ready to be put down to walk on his own or when he is ready for solid food. Or you can just keep arguing with a two year old, I guess, if you fancy that.

 

[Behold]

Does He ask us to make Him Lord when we get saved by faith?

Jesus is already The Lord.
We don't "make Him that". He is already "Lord of All", and "" every knee shall bow"" to this Risen Lord.
So, no, we dont make Him Lord, as He is already The Lord and Savior, Jesus The Christ.

Now, is there such as thing as "lordship salvation" heresy?
Oh yeah.

Its this one....>"If Jesus is not lord of all, he's not lord at all".
Every heard that nonsense?
So, these heretics teach that Jesus can be your Savior, but If he's not your Lord then you are :

1. Not really saved
2. were saved, but not anymore.

So, its just one more ANGLE on ...>Legalists trying to prove you can lose your salvation, which is the devil's ministry that he has anointed them to PREACH.
They always find a new bumper sticker to give it a try.
They always find half a verse to quote while leaving out the other half.
The devil loves these Dark Light puppets.
They are his useful tools.

Noting new.
They've been doing it since Paul and Jude were breathing.

 

[Hidden In Him]

Jesus is already The Lord.
We don't "make Him that". He is already "Lord of All", and "" every knee shall bow"" to this Risen Lord.
So, no, we dont make Him Lord, as He is already The Lord and Savior, Jesus The Christ.

Lord of all? Yes, Jesus is already Lord over all creation in the sense that no one escapes His hand, including those who not only refuse to obey Him but even despise Him and worship His enemy. But by this argument, Behold, you make no distinction between those who choose Him and those who do not. Those who choose Him differentiate themselves from the world by willingly making Him Lord over their lives, such that they commit to obeying Him. This cannot be said of the world, and that is a decision we ourselves make when we choose to accept Him as both Savior and Lord.

 

[justbyfaith]

Rather, there is no law that will condemn you if you are in Christ.

Salvation is not about our performance, not of any kind. Salvation is of the Lord.

Much love!

Gal 5:18, But if ye be led of the Spirit, ye are not under the law.

In Post #4 Amazed@grace posited that we cannot keep the hundreds of commandments put forth in the Old Testament.

This is true (Galatians 6:13). However, as believers we are not bound by the letter but are to be obedient to the spirit of what is written (Romans 7:6). So, while we cannot keep the letter of the law, the righteousness of the law can be fulfilled in us (Romans 8:4) as concerning the spirit of what is written.

So, your Thread is teaching that Forgiveness is based on works, and not Grace or the Mercy of God.
Your Thread is denying the Cross, and replacing it with "commandment keeping", as stated by the TITLE of your Cross Rejecting THREAD.
You wrote......that If a person keeps the commandments, then God forgives them.
So, you are again teaching the devil's gospel of Works, in Place of the Grace of God.

God says this. "if you take Jesus, you are forgiven".

So, justbyfaith, you have a real issue with The Cross.
I wonder for how many years.

No, I am not preaching salvation by works.

I am preaching salvation unto good works (Ephesians 2:10).

I haven't read all the replies so perhaps this has been answered:
Surely if we kept all the commandments we would not need forgiveness.
Forgiveness is for those who do not keep the commandments - and repent.

We have all sinned and come short of the glory of God. The verses in question teach us that we obtain forgiveness when we repent...when we become a friend of Jesus by changing our direction from disobedience to obedience.

 

[Hidden In Him]

This is true (Galatians 6:13). However, as believers we are not bound by the letter but are to be obedient to the spirit of what is written (Romans 7:6). So, while we cannot keep the letter of the law, the righteousness of the law can be fulfilled in us (Romans 8:4) as concerning the spirit of what is written.

Agreed.

 

[justbyfaith]

It should be clear that if anyone is born again, the love of the Lord has been shed abroad in their hearts through the Holy Ghost who is given unto them (Romans 5:5).

This love is not impractical (1 John 3:17-18).

It is also the fulfilling of the righteousness of the law in the life of the believer (Romans 13:8-10, Galatians 5:14, 1 John 5:3, 2 John 1:6, Romans 8:4).

It is not that we obtain salvation by beginning to love other people. Unredeemed man cannot do that.

It is that we obtain salvation through faith in Jesus (Galatians 3:14).

Then, He sheds abroad His love in our heart (Romans 5:5); and this love is practical (1 John 3:17-18).

If you do not have the love that I am speaking about, you are not saved.

This is the bottom line.

 

[stunnedbygrace]

So when peter himself said BE YE HOLY , then he was acting in error . NO .
WE sure can remind folks to be HOLY . I mean if we have the SPIRIT in us , it unctions us to remind folks about many things .
I think sometimes people forget the SPIRIT actually works through the members for this very reason to BUILD that church up .
to correct fast and to ensure growth and not destruction .

I mean...you dont go into a nursery and say to babies, be spotless!!

So we aim for righteousness and we struggle with it for a while until we basically say, Lord, help me! How can I pretend I am righteous when I cant even control my passions and angers and resentments?? Lord, you will have to handle this because I'm done trying and I'm returning to trusting YOU to make me what You've promised. And that's what God is looking for, a return to trust and away from our own works and attempts.

You can say be holy all you want, but if you arent talking to men who are ready to bear it, you're wasting your breath and if God calls a man righteous who trusts Him, who are you to call unclean what God calls clean? God accepts men who trust Him. He makes a place for them. He will take them into more when He deems they are ready to bear it.

It really is necessary to understand that the more God gives a man, the more God expects of him and to see that some verses are talking about righteousness and some are talking about holiness. Dont expect a man walking by trust to be exactly where you are or you will end up discouraging men who are trusting Him and do damage to the righteousness that is by trust. And you could do damage to yourself as well because if God has moved you from being led by the Spirit to walking in the Spirit, you did not GET there in any way other than trust.

 

[marks]

God accepts men who trust Him. He makes a place for them. He will take them into more when He deems they are ready to bear it.

I'm glad to see you back posting!

:)

 

[marks]

Simply labelling it crazy makes it look like you have no solid answer, so you are just dismissing it so you don't have to address it.

There are some I'd love to see understand this!

;)

 

[stunnedbygrace]

you do not have the love that I am speaking about, you are not saved.

This is the bottom line.

You are mixing the righteousness that is by trust with holiness. You are going to do real harm to yourself by insisting God does not accept men who trust Him.

 

[Behold]

I am preaching salvation unto good works (Ephesians 2:10).

Your Thread's TITLE just made a liar out of you.
Your Thread's Title says that forgiveness is not found in Jesus's Blood, or the Cross, or by God's mercy.
Read your Thread's title, deceiver.
Your Thread's Title says that forgiveness is found by "self", by "self" keeping commandments.

 

[Behold]

You are mixing the righteousness that is by trust with holiness. You are going to do real harm to yourself by insisting God does not accept men who trust Him.

He already has.

 

[GISMYS_7]

How to be forgiven=confess and repent= God is faithful and just to forgive those that confess and repent.!!