For free will believers out there

[quietthinker]

I thought it must be the Bible alone?
Why would I want a book of another apostate priest
Christ said He who not with me is against me

lol.....you'll be in a better position to assess it once you've read it.

 

[theefaith]

Right. A distinction without a difference. Most people know when a baby is born it is born BY water.

It is amazing that you do not concede one point, no matter how ridiculous you project meaning onto scripture that is not in the text. "Born again" refers to being born a second time. The first time one is born is BY water.

then explain why they immediately went to the river to BAPTIZE???

 

[theefaith]

lol.....you'll be in a better position to assess it once you've read it.

Read sections of it
It’s pure outmeal

 

[quietthinker]

Read sections of it
It’s pure outmeal

Now that's an interesting comment seeing it's an autobiography

 

[Wrangler]

then explain why they immediately went to the river to BAPTIZE???

Same reason they baptize in water today. Rising from the water symbolizing rebirth in the Spirit.

 

[theefaith]

Now that's an interesting comment seeing it's an autobiography

no substance
Apostasy
And a complete ingrate after being cured by the intercession of the saints

 

[theefaith]

Same reason they baptize in water today. Rising from the water symbolizing rebirth in the Spirit.

Is it real or fake?

 

[quietthinker]

no substance
Apostasy
And a complete ingrate after being cured by the intercession of the saints

It seems you read a few snippets and feel justified in scrapping a mans history as having no substance!....hmmmm. This attitude/approach says more about you than about the author.

 

[theefaith]

It seems you read a few snippets and feel justified in scrapping a mans history as having no substance!....hmmmm. This attitude/approach says more about you than about the author.

no I read whole chapters

 

[theefaith]

It seems you read a few snippets and feel justified in scrapping a mans history as having no substance!....hmmmm. This attitude/approach says more about you than about the author.

the usual former Catholics misunderstandings and accusations

 

[theefaith]

It seems you read a few snippets and feel justified in scrapping a mans history as having no substance!....hmmmm. This attitude/approach says more about you than about the author.

now are you going to read the glories of Mary? it’s on youtube also

 

[theefaith]

Is it real or fake?

Acts 22:16
And now why tarriest thou? arise, and be baptized, and wash away thy sins, calling on the name of the Lord.

really washed away sins or just symbolic?


Romans 6:3
Know ye not, that so many of us as were baptized into Jesus Christ were baptized into his death?

really Baptized into his death or just symbolic?

1 Corinthians 12:13
For by one Spirit are we all baptized into one body, whether we be Jews or Gentiles, whether we be bond or free; and have been all made to drink into one Spirit.

really Baptized into the church or just symbolic?

Galatians 3:27
For as many of you as have been baptized into Christ have put on Christ.

really Put in Christ or just symbolic?

real faith or just symbolic?
Real church or just symbolic Protestantism?

 

[justbyfaith]

Justbyfaith said
They will see Him when He returns (or later) because they will be resurrected
Daniel 12:2); whether they are righteous or wicked.[/Quote\]

Well the scripture quoted to me, Revelation 1:7 doesn't prove they will literally see him. I know you most likely won't agree with that. You will either ignore what's it's actually saying or interpret it the way you want to see it instead of what it actually says.

I believe it does actually prove that they will see Him.

Rev 1:7, Behold, he cometh with clouds; and every eye shall see him, and they also which pierced him: and all kindreds of the earth shall wail because of him. Even so, Amen.

 

[quietthinker]

now are you going to read the glories of Mary? it’s on youtube also

no, and I'm not going to make a judgement on it either....besides, it's not an autobiography!

 

[justbyfaith]

Well teaching church doctrine to the unsaved is throwing our pearles before swine as Jesus said! It takes the Holy spirit to understand biblical truths.

But to answer you crazy hypotheticals.

The unelect could care less to come to christ! They are in the flesh and are no subject to teh laew of God nor can be. They cannot please God and they think the things of God are foolishness.

The people who care about coming to Christ are the ones being drawn! Your hypothetical worry wart, can't come to Christ unless god draws HIm so it is an incorrect hypotheses anyway!

I don't care what hyper-Calvinism teaches. I just care what the bible says, and nothing in Scripture matches your hypothetical.

So, those who come to Christ are actually the elect.

Therefore, if someone comes to Christ, they cannot be of the non-elect.

If you can agree with this then I have no beef with you.

I do think that Calvinism as a whole does, however, purport the concept that someone can come to Christ, or want to come to Christ, and be rejected because they are of the non-elect. That even though they may want everlasting life, they cannot come to Christ for everlasting life.

 

[justbyfaith]

Most people know when a baby is born it is born BY water.

That is an alternate interpretation to John 3:5 that you may decide to gamble on.

However, if you lose the gamble, you lose everything.

How much better to consider it baptism and then receive baptism in Jesus' Name?

You will not only receive the Holy Ghost (Acts of the Apostles 2:38-39), but you will no longer be gambling on eternity; your salvation will be secure.

 

[quietthinker]

the usual former Catholics misunderstandings and accusations

Poor judgement on your part is noted in this:-
1. You trash it because it doesn't arrive at your conclusions or expectations.
2. You forget thats it's an autobiography and judge it as if it were a treatise.
3. Having only read a few chapters by your own admission, yet you feel qualified to dismiss another man's experience as having no substance.

The meaning of word 'autobiography' by the dictionary is; 'an account of a person's life written by that person' .....I would ask, who is another man to say 'this is not your story, you are telling an untruth'?

 

[theefaith]

no, and I'm not going to make a judgement on it either....besides, it's not an autobiography!

Then you can go to you tube and listen to the conversion story of dr. Scott Hahn
Presbyterian minister

 

[theefaith]

Poor judgement on your part is noted in this:-
1. You trash it because it doesn't arrive at your conclusions or expectations.
2. You forget thats it's an autobiography and judge it as if it were a treatise.
3. Having only read a few chapters by your own admission, yet you feel qualified to dismiss another man's experience as having no substance.

The meaning of word 'autobiography' by the dictionary is; 'an account of a person's life written by that person' .....I would ask, who is another man to say 'this is not your story, you are telling an untruth'?

usual apples and oranges routine

 

[quietthinker]

Then you can go to you tube and listen to the conversion story of dr. Scott Hahn
Presbyterian minister

I'm sorry....it is clear you do not see the disconnect!