First fruits of them that slept(the first resurection)

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These are the first fruits of the harvest.
Redeemed from the earth(soil).

Revelation 14

14 And I looked, and, lo, a Lamb stood on the mount Sion, and with him an hundred forty and four thousand, having his Father's name written in their foreheads.

2 And I heard a voice from heaven, as the voice of many waters, and as the voice of a great thunder: and I heard the voice of harpers harping with their harps:

3 And they sung as it were a new song before the throne, and before the four beasts, and the elders: and no man could learn that song but the hundred and forty and four thousand, which were redeemed from the earth.

4 These are they which were not defiled with women; for they are virgins. These are they which follow the Lamb whithersoever he goeth. These were redeemed from among men, being the firstfruits unto God and to the Lamb.

5 And in their mouth was found no guile: for they are without fault before the throne of God.
 
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Revelation 20

4 And I saw thrones, and they sat upon them, and judgment was given unto them: and I saw the souls of them that were beheaded for the witness of Jesus, and for the word of God, and which had not worshipped the beast, neither his image, neither had received his mark upon their foreheads, or in their hands; and they lived and reigned with Christ a thousand years.

5 But the rest of the dead lived not again until the thousand years were finished. This is the first resurrection.

6 Blessed and holy is he that hath part in the first resurrection: on such the second death hath no power, but they shall be priests of God and of Christ, and shall reign with him a thousand years.



Exodus 19:6
you will be for me a kingdom of priests and a holy nation.’ These are the words you are to speak to the Israelites.”
 
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These are not resurected.
These have not died.They are saved from destruction at the time of great tribulation.



Revelation 7
9 After this I beheld, and, lo, a great multitude, which no man could number, of all nations, and kindreds, and people, and tongues, stood before the throne, and before the Lamb, clothed with white robes, and palms in their hands;

10 And cried with a loud voice, saying, Salvation to our God which sitteth upon the throne, and unto the Lamb.

11 And all the angels stood round about the throne, and about the elders and the four beasts, and fell before the throne on their faces, and worshipped God,

12 Saying, Amen: Blessing, and glory, and wisdom, and thanksgiving, and honour, and power, and might, be unto our God for ever and ever. Amen.

13 And one of the elders answered, saying unto me, What are these which are arrayed in white robes? and whence came they?

14 And I said unto him, Sir, thou knowest. And he said to me, These are they which came out of great tribulation, and have washed their robes, and made them white in the blood of the Lamb

15 Therefore are they before the throne of God, and serve him day and night in his temple: and he that sitteth on the throne shall dwell among them.

16 They shall hunger no more, neither thirst any more; neither shall the sun light on them, nor any heat.

17 For the Lamb which is in the midst of the throne shall feed them, and shall lead them unto living fountains of waters: and God shall wipe away all tears from their eyes.
 
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4 These are they which were not defiled with women; for they are virgins. These are they which follow the Lamb whithersoever he goeth. These were redeemed from among men, being the firstfruits unto God and to the Lamb.





The first fruits of the harvest is gathered at the time of harvest and is an offering to God.It is the first and best of the fruit of the earth(God's elect).
It is presented to the high priest at Jerusalem .

After the first fruits,then the general harvest comes.That being the general resurrection of the earth and according to revelation is 1000 years after the first resurection.
 

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These are the first fruits of the harvest.
Redeemed from the earth(soil).

Revelation 14

14 And I looked, and, lo, a Lamb stood on the mount Sion, and with him an hundred forty and four thousand, having his Father's name written in their foreheads.

2 And I heard a voice from heaven, as the voice of many waters, and as the voice of a great thunder: and I heard the voice of harpers harping with their harps:

3 And they sung as it were a new song before the throne, and before the four beasts, and the elders: and no man could learn that song but the hundred and forty and four thousand, which were redeemed from the earth.

4 These are they which were not defiled with women; for they are virgins. These are they which follow the Lamb whithersoever he goeth. These were redeemed from among men, being the firstfruits unto God and to the Lamb.

5 And in their mouth was found no guile: for they are without fault before the throne of God.
Firstfruit jews.
Only ethnic jews.
 
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4 These are they which were not defiled with women; for they are virgins. These are they which follow the Lamb whithersoever he goeth. These were redeemed from among men, being the firstfruits unto God and to the Lamb.





The first fruits of the harvest is gathered at the time of harvest and is an offering to God.It is the first and best of the fruit of the earth(God's elect).
It is presented to the high priest at Jerusalem .

After the first fruits,then the general harvest comes.That being the general resurrection of the earth and according to revelation is 1000 years after the first resurection.
Jesus is the first fruits of the redeemed not the entire Earth Harvest after the millennium
 

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Jesus is the first fruits of the redeemed not the entire Earth Harvest after the millennium
The 144,000 first fruits are redeemed from the earth before the millinium .Not after.


"being the firstfruits unto God and to the Lamb."

Revelation 14
4 These are they which were not defiled with women; for they are virgins. These are they which follow the Lamb whithersoever he goeth. These were redeemed from among men, being the firstfruits unto God and to the Lamb.
 

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The 144,000 first fruits are redeemed from the earth before the millinium .Not after.


"being the firstfruits unto God and to the Lamb."

Revelation 14
4 These are they which were not defiled with women; for they are virgins. These are they which follow the Lamb whithersoever he goeth. These were redeemed from among men, being the firstfruits unto God and to the Lamb.
No.
They are firstfruit jews.
And yes taken to heaven DURING THE TRIB.
 

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No.
They are firstfruit jews.
And yes taken to heaven DURING THE TRIB.
First fruits period

The first fruits are gathered at the time of harvest and are presented to the high priest in Jerusalem.
They are gathered after the tribulation during the time of God's wrath.


Mathew 24
29 Immediately after the tribulation of those days shall the sun be darkened, and the moon shall not give her light, and the stars shall fall from heaven, and the powers of the heavens shall be shaken:

30 And then shall appear the sign of the Son of man in heaven: and then shall all the tribes of the earth mourn, and they shall see the Son of man coming in the clouds of heaven with power and great glory.

31 And he shall send his angels with a great sound of a trumpet, and they shall gather together his elect from the four winds, from one end of heaven to the other.
 

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No.
They are firstfruit jews.
And yes taken to heaven DURING THE TRIB.
PS
The tribulation is before the millinium.

The Israelis who are beheaded for their witness of Jesus and had not worshiped the beast or its image,nor received its mark ,die during the tribulation and are redeemed from the soil before the millinium.


Revelation 20
4 And I saw thrones, and they sat upon them, and judgment was given unto them: and I saw the souls of them that were beheaded for the witness of Jesus, and for the word of God, and which had not worshipped the beast, neither his image, neither had received his mark upon their foreheads, or in their hands; and they lived and reigned with Christ a thousand years.

5 But the rest of the dead lived not again until the thousand years were finished. This is the first resurrection.

6 Blessed and holy is he that hath part in the first resurrection: on such the second death hath no power, but they shall be priests of God and of Christ, and shall reign with him a thousand years.
 

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The Israelis who are beheaded for their witness of Jesus and had not worshiped the beast or its image,nor received its mark ,die during the tribulation and are redeemed from the soil before the millinium.


The beheaded are not identified. No race or nationality is provided by the text.
 
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The beheaded are not identified. No race or nationality is provided by the text.
If you understood who the beast is then you wouldn't have any problem understanding the nationality of them who are beheaded for their testimony of Jesus and who had not worshiped the beast,it's image nor receive it's mark.

Because you do not understand who the beast is ,you also do not understand who they are that are killed in that little nation.

And yes ,I said little, just as Daniel described that little nation.

Daniel 7
25 And he shall speak great words against the most High, and shall wear out the saints of the most High, and think to change times and laws: and they shall be given into his hand until a time and times and the dividing of time.
 

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If you understood who the beast is then you wouldn't have any problem understanding the nationality of them who are beheaded for their testimony of Jesus and who had not worshiped the beast,it's image nor receive it's mark.

Again, no race or nationality is given for them. Who the beast may be is unrelated.


Because you do not understand who the beast is ,you also do not understand who they are that are killed in that little nation.

And yes ,I said little, just as Daniel described that little nation.

Daniel 7
25 And he shall speak great words against the most High, and shall wear out the saints of the most High, and think to change times and laws: and they shall be given into his hand until a time and times and the dividing of time.

The beheaded are mentioned in Rev 20, not in Daniel.
 
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Again, no race or nationality is given for them. Who the beast may be is unrelated.




The beheaded are mentioned in Rev 20, not in Daniel.
So you believe the only people in revelation mentioned being redeemed from the soil are not of the tribes of Israel?

Revelation 14
3 And they sung as it were a new song before the throne, and before the four beasts, and the elders: and no man could learn that song but the hundred and forty and four thousand, which were redeemed from the earth.

4 These are they which were not defiled with women; for they are virgins. These are they which follow the Lamb whithersoever he goeth. These were redeemed from among men, being the firstfruits unto God and to the Lamb.



First fruits means they are the first to be gathered during harvest and the fact that these Israelis are redeemed from the soil means they are resurected in the first resurection.




Do you comprehend what it means to be redeemed. from the soil first?
And this is exactly what the Lord promised to the children of Israel.

Revelation 20
6 Blessed and holy is he that hath part in the first resurrection: on such the second death hath no power, but they shall be priests of God and of Christ, and shall reign with him a thousand years.

Exodus 19:6
And you will be my kingdom of priests, my holy nation.’ This is the message you must give to the people of Israel.”




All this and you believe God will not keep his word.


And yes,it has everything to do with who the beast is .The beast will start killing these saints next year but you don't know squat so you say the beast is, is unrelated to the saints in its own kingdom.

Your rediculous.
 

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So you believe the only people in revelation mentioned being redeemed from the soil are not of the tribes of Israel?

This is a red herring fallacy. We are discussing the beheaded ones of Rev 20. You claim to know what race/nationality they are but that isn't possible because the bible does not tell us that nor gives any hint at all.
 

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This is a red herring fallacy. We are discussing the beheaded ones of Rev 20. You claim to know what race/nationality they are but that isn't possible because the bible does not tell us that nor gives any hint at all.
You ignore everything in the bible about the beast and the persecuted saints in its kingdom.
You even ignore the words of Jesus Christ in the gospel concerning those saints,then you say the Bible doesn't say anything about those saints.

If you did not ignore half of the bible,you might be able to see who it's talking about
 

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1 Corinthians 15
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The Resurrection of Christ
1Now, brothers, I want to remind you of the gospel I preached to you, which you received, and in which you stand firm. 2By this gospel you are saved, if you hold firmly to the word I preached to you. Otherwise, you have believed in vain.
3For what I received I passed on to you as of first importance: that Christ died for our sins according to the Scriptures, 4that He was buried, that He was raised on the third day according to the Scriptures, 5and that He appeared to Cephasa and then to the Twelve. 6After that, He appeared to more than five hundred brothers at once, most of whom are still living, though some have fallen asleep. 7Then He appeared to James, then to all the apostles. 8And last of all He appeared to me also, as to one of untimely birth.
9For I am the least of the apostles and am unworthy to be called an apostle, because I persecuted the church of God. 10But by the grace of God I am what I am, and His grace to me was not in vain. No, I worked harder than all of them—yet not I, but the grace of God that was with me. 11Whether, then, it was I or they, this is what we preach, and this is what you believed.
The Resurrection of the Dead
12But if it is preached that Christ has been raised from the dead, how can some of you say that there is no resurrection of the dead? 13If there is no resurrection of the dead, then not even Christ has been raised. 14And if Christ has not been raised, our preaching is worthless, and so is your faith. 15In that case, we are also exposed as false witnesses about God. For we have testified about God that He raised Christ from the dead, but He did not raise Him if in fact the dead are not raised.
16For if the dead are not raised, then not even Christ has been raised. 17And if Christ has not been raised, your faith is futile; you are still in your sins. 18Then those also who have fallen asleep in Christ have perished. 19If our hope in Christ is for this life alone, we are to be pitied more than all men.
The Order of Resurrection
20But Christ has indeed been raised from the dead, the firstfruits of those who have fallen asleep. 21For since death came through a man, the resurrection of the dead comes also through a man. 22For as in Adam all die, so in Christ all will be made alive. 23But each in his own turn: Christ the firstfruits; then at His coming, those who belong to Him.
24Then the end will come, when He hands over the kingdom to God the Father after He has destroyed all dominion, authority, and power. 25For He must reign until He has put all His enemies under His feet. 26The last enemy to be destroyed is death. 27For “God has put everything under His feet.”b Now when it says that everything has been put under Him, this clearly does not include the One who put everything under Him. 28And when all things have been subjected to Him, then the Son Himself will be made subject to Him who put all things under Him, so that God may be all in all.
29If these things are not so, what will those do who are baptized for the dead? If the dead are not raised at all, why are people baptized for them? 30And why do we endanger ourselves every hour? 31I face death every day, brothers, as surely as I boast about you in Christ Jesus our Lord. 32If I fought wild beasts in Ephesus for human motives, what did I gain? If the dead are not raised,
“Let us eat and drink,
for tomorrow we die.”c
33Do not be deceived: “Bad company corrupts good character.”d 34Sober up as you ought, and stop sinning; for some of you are ignorant of God. I say this to your shame.
The Resurrection Body
35But someone will ask, “How are the dead raised? With what kind of body will they come?” 36You fool! What you sow does not come to life unless it dies. 37And what you sow is not the body that will be, but just a seed, perhaps of wheat or something else. 38But God gives it a body as He has designed, and to each kind of seed He gives its own body.
39Not all flesh is the same: Men have one kind of flesh, animals have another, birds another, and fish another. 40There are also heavenly bodies and earthly bodies. But the splendor of the heavenly bodies is of one degree, and the splendor of the earthly bodies is of another. 41The sun has one degree of splendor, the moon another, and the stars another; and star differs from star in splendor.
42So will it be with the resurrection of the dead: What is sown is perishable; it is raised imperishable. 43It is sown in dishonor; it is raised in glory. It is sown in weakness; it is raised in power. 44It is sown a natural body; it is raised a spiritual body. If there is a natural body, there is also a spiritual body. 45So it is written: “The first man Adam became a living being;”e the last Adam a life-giving spirit.
46The spiritual, however, was not first, but the natural, and then the spiritual.47The first man was of the dust of the earth, the second man from heaven. 48As was the earthly man, so also are those who are of the earth; and as is the heavenly man, so also are those who are of heaven. 49And just as we have borne the likeness of the earthly man, so also shall we bear the likeness of the heavenly man.
Where, O Death, Is Your Victory?
 

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(Hosea 13:9–14)
50Now I declare to you, brothers, that flesh and blood cannot inherit the kingdom of God, nor does the perishable inherit the imperishable.
51Listen, I tell you a mystery: We will not all sleep, but we will all be changed—52in an instant, in the twinkling of an eye, at the last trumpet. For the trumpet will sound, the dead will be raised imperishable, and we will be changed. 53For the perishable must be clothedf with the imperishable, and the mortal with immortality.
54When the perishable has been clothed with the imperishable and the mortal with immortality,g then the saying that is written will come to pass: “
 

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These are not resurected.
These have not died.They are saved from destruction at the time of great tribulation.



Revelation 7
9 After this I beheld, and, lo, a great multitude, which no man could number, of all nations, and kindreds, and people, and tongues, stood before the throne, and before the Lamb, clothed with white robes, and palms in their hands;

10 And cried with a loud voice, saying, Salvation to our God which sitteth upon the throne, and unto the Lamb.

11 And all the angels stood round about the throne, and about the elders and the four beasts, and fell before the throne on their faces, and worshipped God,

12 Saying, Amen: Blessing, and glory, and wisdom, and thanksgiving, and honour, and power, and might, be unto our God for ever and ever. Amen.

13 And one of the elders answered, saying unto me, What are these which are arrayed in white robes? and whence came they?

14 And I said unto him, Sir, thou knowest. And he said to me, These are they which came out of great tribulation, and have washed their robes, and made them white in the blood of the Lamb

15 Therefore are they before the throne of God, and serve him day and night in his temple: and he that sitteth on the throne shall dwell among them.

16 They shall hunger no more, neither thirst any more; neither shall the sun light on them, nor any heat.

17 For the Lamb which is in the midst of the throne shall feed them, and shall lead them unto living fountains of waters: and God shall wipe away all tears from their eyes.
These all DIED for they came 'out of' the Great Tribulation.


Then one of the elders addressed me: “These in white robes,” he asked, “who are they, and where have they come from?”
“Sir,” I answered, “you know.”
So he replied, “These are the ones who have come '
out of' the great tribulation; they have washed their robes and made them white in the blood of the Lamb.


out of
ἐκ (ek)

Preposition
Strong's Greek 1537: From out, out from among, from, suggesting from the interior outwards.
A primary preposition denoting origin, from, out.
 
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First fruits period

The first fruits are gathered at the time of harvest and are presented to the high priest in Jerusalem.
They are gathered after the tribulation during the time of God's wrath.


Mathew 24
29 Immediately after the tribulation of those days shall the sun be darkened, and the moon shall not give her light, and the stars shall fall from heaven, and the powers of the heavens shall be shaken:

30 And then shall appear the sign of the Son of man in heaven: and then shall all the tribes of the earth mourn, and they shall see the Son of man coming in the clouds of heaven with power and great glory.

31 And he shall send his angels with a great sound of a trumpet, and they shall gather together his elect from the four winds, from one end of heaven to the other.
Literally impossible as main harvest follows firstfruits.
You have firstfruits totally misplaced.

We see the 144k in heaven.
They are firstfruit Jews.
Nothing crafty or cunning changes that fact.

Their cannot be firstfruits without main harvest.
The group of Rev 14:14 follows the 144k firstfruit Jews.
That group is not the rapture of 1 thes 4.

It is strictly Jewish harvest.
What you are doing is saying the fruit and wheat harvest are the same harvest.

You need to understand Romans 9-11.
Read those and you will see what is actually going on.
 
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