Exploring Trinitarian Logic

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ProDeo

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Correct, Pro. Jesus' origins came through the power of God, but this had nothing to do with his physical nature, as you likely realize by now. His life began in a womb, just like yours.

I came to digest :watching and waiting: that understanding over 30 years ago, and to be honest, it was quite satisfying.
That's not good enough, do you also believe that Jesus (the One who descended from heaven and was born like us) was created?

And if the answer is yes, how do you know?
 

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DID YOU ACTUALLY WRITE THIS????

GOD IS WITH OUT BEGINNING OR END.... CREATOR OF ALL!!! THERE WAS NO GOD...AS IN.... THIS GOD WAS ELECTED BEFORE YOUR GOD?

OMG.... this is me... asking my GOD... Did you actually create a being to whom could post such.... a post??? Really!!!!

Taken... did you make it past the 1st grade... before your parents put you to work on the Farm????

I'm totally dumbfounded at your ignorance!!!

FYI... Taken... farm animals are for farm animals not men...


WOW!!!

Speaking of ignorance, I see you struggle with answering a Simple question.

WOW…LOL
 

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Because he has stumbled many times (fact), and right now, he's not recovering with Trinitarian doctrine in his mind! I don’t think you fully understand how serious this debilitating illness is, Pro.
Those who need insults to make their point, have no point.

Fixed it for you.
 

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That's not good enough, do you also believe that Jesus (the One who descended from heaven and was born like us) was created?

And if the answer is yes, how do you know?
He was made!

"Therefore he had to be made like his brothers in every respect, so that he might become a merciful and faithful high priest in the service of God, to make propitiation for the sins of the people." Heb 2:17

Can you see the connection in that verse Pro between him being like you in every respect and what he might become?

What is the connection between this

made like his brothers in every respect

And this

he might become a merciful and faithful high priest in the service of God, to make propitiation for the sins of the people

Can you ask any questions of the Word to lead and guide you into truth?

F2F
 
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Those who need insults to make their point, have no point.

Fixed it for you.
It's in infection in the mind Pro!

Paul calls it a "depraved in mind and deprived of the truth"

Also, since you tried to fix my post does this entitle me to do the same?
 

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@face2face …LOL :rolleyes:

Conjunction meaning-
the action or an instance of two or more events or things occurring at the same point in time or space.

Gen 3:
[3] And God blessed the seventh day, and sanctified it: because that in it he had rested from all his work which God created and made.

John 1:
[1] In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God.

[3] All things were made by him; and without him was not any thing made that was made .
 
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@face2face …LOL :rolleyes:

Conjunction meaning-
the action or an instance of two or more events or things occurring at the same point in time or space.

Gen 3:
[3] And God blessed the seventh day, and sanctified it: because that in it he had rested from all his work which God created and made.

John 1:
[1] In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God.

[3] All things were made by him; and without him was not any thing made that was made .
It's comical watching you jump through hoops!
With this mindset how can you know?
 

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He was made!

"Therefore he had to be made like his brothers in every respect, so that he might become a merciful and faithful high priest in the service of God, to make propitiation for the sins of the people." Heb 2:17

Can you see the connection in that verse Pro between him being like you in every respect and what he might become?

What is the connection between this

made like his brothers in every respect

And this

he might become a merciful and faithful high priest in the service of God, to make propitiation for the sins of the people

Can you ask any questions of the Word to lead and guide you into truth?

F2F
You are not understanding or ducking the question, the text speaks of His human stay on Earth, not of His identity when He was with the Father before creation. Again, show me evidence Jesus was created before He incarnated as a human.
 

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You are not understanding or ducking the question, the text speaks of His human stay on Earth,
no it doesnt!

It states Jesus was "made" like you in "every" respect to mean he there was no difference between you and Jesus in nature or mental capacity!
not of His identity when He was with the Father before creation. Again, show me evidence Jesus was created before He incarnated as a human.
Don't assume you can prove the doctrine of incarnation, Pro—it's been thoroughly debunked in this thread, and there’s a mountain of unanswered questions you need to consider first! You have the audacity to ask me for evidence? You have absolutely no evidence for any of your formulated doctrines!

Now put your mind back into Hebrews 2 and study why it states twice (2x) Jesus was made in our nature!

F2F
 

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@Brakelite, traditional views on this subject do not allow for the notion that Christ gained any benefit from his own death, or was exalted due to his act of submission.

I pray one day we meet and you are on the right side of this truth!

F2F
It was self sacrifice. He gained nothing except to be restored to what He did have before... the glory He shared with the Father before creation. You minimise the love of God by suggesting there was self interest.
“To wit, that God was in Christ, reconciling the world unto himself, not imputing their trespasses unto them; and hath committed unto us the word of reconciliation. ”
2 Corinthians 5:19 KJV
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There was nothing Christ received as a result of His sacrifice that didn't include mankind. The further we go into this discussion is revealing, for it shows how far away you are from truth. Denying the existence of fallen angels and of the devil... denying the prime purpose of Calvary was for the redemption of man... claiming the sacrifice of Christ was founded on self interest... denying the Divinity of Christ... denying Christ's true Sonship to His Father. You are in a deep mess. The further we go, the further you expose your apostasy.
 
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It was self sacrifice. He gained nothing except to be restored to what He did have before... the glory He shared with the Father before creation. You minimise the love of God by suggesting there was self interest.
“To wit, that God was in Christ, reconciling the world unto himself, not imputing their trespasses unto them; and hath committed unto us the word of reconciliation. ”
2 Corinthians 5:19 KJV
Unfeigned Bible
There was nothing Christ received as a result of His sacrifice that didn't include mankind. The further we go into this discussion is revealing, for it shows how far away you are from truth. Denying the existence of fallen angels and of the devil... denying the prime purpose of Calvary was for the redemption of man... claiming the sacrifice of Christ was founded on self interest... denying the Divinity of Christ... denying Christ's true Sonship to His Father. You are in a deep mess. The further we go, the further you expose your apostasy.

He doesn’t know or understand and using this space to mock.
 

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Basic conjunction…sheesh!

Gen 3:
[3] And God blessed the seventh day, and sanctified it: because that in it he had rested from all his work which God created and made.
No. Synonyms. Both are verbs, created and made.

And what verse did you quote

Genesis 3:3

English Standard Version

3 but God said, ‘You shall not eat of the fruit of the tree that is in the midst of the garden, neither shall you touch it, lest you die.’”
 
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