Exploring Trinitarian Logic

[Johann]

I don't take assignments from you nor any other human. My assignments (and any knowledge personally obtained from Scripture) are provided to me by Father, via His Holy Spirit.


Peace be upon you.

Then the onus is on YOU to refute what I have posted and your Abba is MY Abba, sealed with the Holy Spirit.

Don't get cocky to quickly as you are a new member here-pride is ugly.

Do you endorse the site you are quoting from?

Koran

Proof that The Koran and The Bible, when interpreted correctly, are in perfect harmony and are volumes of The One Book.

jahtruth.net

J.

 

[Ritajanice]

I don't take assignments from you nor any other human. My assignments (and any knowledge personally obtained from Scripture) are provided to me by Father, via His Holy Spirit.


Peace be upon you.

Amen, same here, I know the voice of the Holy Spirit.,.there is no confusion coming our way from him.

 

[RedFan]

Amen, same here, I know the voice of the Holy Spirit.,.there is no confusion coming our way from him.

Do you even need to read the Scriptures at all? Seems like you're wired in to the Spirit's voice. What an inefficient transmission of knowledge for the Spirit to use the written word as an aid here!

 

[Ritajanice]

Do you even need to read the Scriptures at all? Seems like you're wired in to the Spirit's voice. What an inefficient transmission of knowledge for the Spirit to use the written word as an aid here!

I here from the Spirit most of the day don’t you?

Sprit gives birth to spirit?..that’s a Living spiritual birth?

I’m always checking out the word after the Spirit speaks to me on what I hear him testify to my spirit, after all that’s the only way we can communicate with God, via His Living Holy Sprit.to our spirit.

The written word confirms this..whose your teacher ?the word or the Spirit ?@RedFan ?

Who guides us into truth the Living Spirit or the Bible?


The Holy Spirit ain’t no Bible ya know.

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◄ John 16:13 ►

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Audio Crossref Comment Greek Verse (Click for Chapter) New International Version But when he, the Spirit of truth, comes, he will guide you into all the truth. He will not speak on his own; he will speak only what he hears, and he will tell you what is yet to come

 

[RedFan]

I here from the Spirit most of the day don’t you?

I’m always checking out the word after the Spirit speaks to me on what I hear him testify to my spirit, after all that’s the only way we can communicate with God, via His Living Holy Sprit.

The written word confirms this..whose tout teacher the word or the Spirit @RedFan ?

Nope. But I read the Bible every day. I don't communicate with God through reading it, although I think He communicates with me that way. (In the other direction, it is through prayer.) The Scripture is largely Spirit-driven, so ultimately the Spirit is still my teacher.

 

[Aunty Jane]

Anyone claiming that they don't have to keep The Law doesn't know nor love Christ.

The Law given to Israel was nailed to the execution stake with Christ….he is the end of the old law covenant.
The new covenant was a whole new ball game, leaving most of the laws given to Israel as invalid for Christians…like all the unclean foods they could not eat….now they could. That they were not to associate with people of the nations….but now they were to become their brothers in Christ.

What did Paul say…..?

Col 216-17…..
”Therefore, do not let anyone judge you about what you eat and drink or about the observance of a festival or of the new moon or of a sabbath. 17 Those things are a shadow of the things to come, but the reality belongs to the Christ.”
The Sabbath was part of the shadow, not the reality…

Matthew 5:17-19
5:17 Think NOT that I am come to destroy The Law, or the Prophets: I am not come to destroy, but to fulfill [to fully preach The Law (The Torah) and fulfill the prophecies about the first coming of the Messiah].
5:18 For verily I say unto you, Till heaven and earth pass, one jot or one tittle shall in no way pass from The Law, till ALL be fulfilled.
5:19 Whosoever therefore shall break one of these least COMMANDments, and shall teach men so, he shall be called the least in The Kingdom of heaven*: but whosoever shall do and teach [them], the same shall be called great in The Kingdom of heaven.

*the lowest of the low in God's Eyes

John 14:15 If ye love me, KEEP my COMMANDments.

What commandments was Jesus talking about?
There was a new law that Jesus spoke about….”the law of the Christ” was about what Jesus taught.
This was founded on the two basic principles (the greatest commandments) upon which the whole law was founded….”Love for God and neighbor”…..not adherence to a law that Paul said was a curse.

Gal 3:10-14…
”All those who depend on works of law are under a curse, for it is written: “Cursed is everyone who does not remain in all the things written in the scroll of the Law by doing them.” 11  Moreover, it is evident that by law no one is declared righteous with God, because “the righteous one will live by reason of faith.” 12  Now the Law is not based on faith. Rather, “anyone who does these things will live by means of them.” 13  Christ purchased us, releasing us from the curse of the Law by becoming a curse instead of us, because it is written: “Accursed is every man hung upon a stake.” 14  This was so that the blessing of Abraham would come to the nations by means of Christ Jesus, so that we might receive the promised spirit through our faith.”

1 John 2:3-4
2:3 And hereby we do know that we know him, IF we keep His Commandments.
2:4 He that saith, I know him, and keepeth NOT His Commandments, is a LIAR, and the truth is NOT in him.

And with regard to Israel (the true people Israel, NOT the counterfeit-Jewish state in the Middle East) everyone had better be striving to be an Israelite (Rev. 7:4-9; Rev. 14:1-4).

There are two “Israels” according to Paul…..fleshly Israel who murdered their own savior, a relic of whom inhabit the former holy land….and those who chose to follow Christ and were joined later by gentiles who converted to Christianity…..these Paul called “the Israel of God” (Gal 6:16)….this is spiritual Israel….a new nation who would unitedly act in the name of Yahweh…the God of Jesus Christ. (Acts 15:14)

 

[Ritajanice]

Nope. But I read the Bible every day. I don't communicate with God through reading it, although I think He communicates with me that way. (In the other direction, it is through prayer.) The Scripture is largely Spirit-driven, so ultimately the Spirit is still my teacher.

That’s how God has brought you to understand.

He brings us all very differently to understand his word, we should all be very mindful of that..but he will never contradict his word..if what I hear ain’t in scripture, then it never came from God via his Holy Spirit.

 

[Aunty Jane]

After seeing him resurrected from a brutal death! Trinitarians attempt to explain why the Apostles were disobedient to the risen Christ in not one single recorded baptism was done in the name of these 3 is fun to read as it is absurd.

And also where Jesus says in Matt 28:19-20 to teach and to baptize “in the name of“ the Father, son and holy spirit…..there is not a single reference to these three being one God…..it is suggested. But to do something “in the name of” someone else is to acknowledge their authority over you.
If a sheriff does something “in the name of the law”, he is operating under its authority…..he is not the law.
We can acknowledge the role that each has played in our spiritual journey, if we reach our destination successfully.

After John’s baptism made a person ready to accept the Messiah, those who chose to follow Christ had to be baptized again as one of his disciples……baptized “in the name of Jesus Christ”…..putting themselves under his authority, as he is under his Father’s authority.….”all authority” had to be “given” to him, as he said in Matt 28:18. (1 Cor 11:3)

 

[Ritajanice]

366 @Aunty Jane excellent post!

 

[David in NJ]

All man-made doctrines are meant to be confusing. The Truth is simple, straightforward and always logical/reasonable.

The Holy Spirit is our spiritual connection with God. It is through the Holy Spirit that we can receive guidance and warnings, in the moment, as long as we are listening intently with spiritual ears, and seeing the situation with spiritual eyes.

John 16:7-13
16:7 Nevertheless I tell you the Truth; It is expedient for you that I go away: for if I go not away, the Comforter will not come unto you; but if I depart, I will send him unto you.
16:8 And when he is come, he will reprove the world of sin, and of righteousness, and of judgment:
16:9 Of sin, because they believe not me;
16:10 Of righteousness, because I go to my Father, and ye see me no more;
16:11 Of judgment, because the prince of this world (Lucifer/Satan) is judged.
16:12 I have yet many things to say unto you, but ye cannot bear them now.
16:13 Howbeit when he, the Spirit of Truth, is come, he will guide you into all Truth: for he shall not speak of himself; but whatsoever he shall hear, [that] shall he speak: and he will show you things to come.

This is Christ's assignment as the ONLY Mediator (connection) between God and men (1 Tim. 2:5; see also: 1 Cor. 11:3), exactly as Christ told us.

John 14:15-18
14:15 If ye love me, KEEP my COMMANDments.
14:16 And I will pray the Father, and He shall give you another Comforter, that he may abide with you for ever;
14:17 [Even] the Spirit of Truth; whom the world cannot receive, because it seeth him not, neither knoweth him: but ye know him; for he dwelleth with you, and shall be in you.
14:18 I will not leave you comfortless: I will come to you.

We're even told how to receive the Holy Spirit in increasing measure.

Acts 5:29-33
5:29 Then Peter and the [other] Apostles answered and said, We ought to obey God rather than men.
5:30 The God of our fathers raised up Jesus, whom ye slew and hanged on a tree.
5:31 Him hath God exalted with His right hand [to be] a Prince and a Saviour, for to give repentance to Israel, and forgiveness of sins.
5:32 And we are His witnesses of these things; and [so is] also the Holy Spirit, whom God hath given to them that obey Him.
5:33 When they heard [that], they were cut [to the heart], and took counsel to slay them.


No, it doesn't. This is yet another blatantly obvious attempt to tamper with God's Word, as that phraseology was added to the Bible (like the "Johannine comma" in 1 John 5:7-8).

The original text for Matthew 28:19 reads as follows:

Matthew 28:19-20
28:19 Go ye therefore, and make disciples of all nations, baptizing them with the Holy Spirit: in my name (The Saviour),
28:20 Instructing them to observe (and DO) all things whatsoever I have commanded you: and, lo, I am with you always, [even] unto the end of the world (age). Amen.

How do we know this with absolute certainty? Because IF Matt. 28:19 had actually instructed the disciples to go and make disciples of all nations by baptizing them in the name of the "Father, Son and Holy Spirit", then every single disciple and apostle that went out and baptized others would have been guilty of disobeying a direct order from Christ, because they ALL baptized in the name of the Saviour (which is what "Jesus" means in English) ONLY. That's how obvious and utterly ridiculous these additions really are, and why Father makes such fools of those who think they can get away with these blatant forgeries!

A few examples of the baptizing, for those who may wish to look them up for themselves: Acts 2:38, 8:12, 8:16, 10:48, 19:5, 22:16, Gal. 3:27, 1 Cor. 1:13 (implied), Rom. 6:3. Please note well they all follow Christ's original instructions, NOT the altered text. This is how error correction works.

Good post and GREAT Scriptures about the Holy Spirit especially John 14:15-18

John 14:15-18
14:15 If ye love Me, keep My commandments.
14:16 And I will pray the Father, and He shall give you another Comforter, that he may abide with you for ever;
14:17 [Even] the Spirit of Truth; whom the world cannot receive, because it seeth him not, neither knoweth him: but ye know him; for he dwelleth with you, and shall be in you.
14:18 I will not leave you comfortless: I will come to you.

i count 3 Persons involved in Salvation and Knowing God

#1 - If you love ME/JESUS, keep MY commandments

#2 - I will pray the FATHER

#3 - HE shall give you another Comforter, the Spirit of Truth

3 = FATHER WORD SPIRIT

Since ALL things were created thru the WORD that was God, in the beginning/Genesis and the Spirit hovered over the waters
This then proves, undeniably, that these 3 are the SAME Elohim from Genesis chapter 1

Genesis 1:26 - Let Us make man in Our image according to Our likeness = 3

Thank You for bringing forth the undeniable Truth of the Gospel = FATHER WORD/SON HOLY SPIRIT are ONE

 

[David in NJ]

Do you have a brotherhood who all believe as you do? It is not possible to be a Christian in isolation from those who hold the same truth, no matter what nation they live in (Acts 15:14; Acts 10:34-35)……God’s spirit unites his people…it does not divide them. There is one Bible…”one Lord, one faith, one baptism”….but a thousand different interpretation as to what that means….are we to wander off and create our own version of Christianity….going to the great celestial supermarket to select the beliefs that suit our taste, whist leaving others on the shelf?

”One Lord, one faith, one baptism” does not allow for that…..the “wheat“ (sheep) exist with the “weeds” (goats) so finding them in among those claiming Jesus as their “Lord” (not their God) is a prime decider because those whom Jesus addresses in Matt 7:21-23 are gobsmacked to be rejected by the one they call “Lord” but in a whole different capacity……Jesus says “I NEVER KNEW YOU”…….”never” means “not ever”…..so not in their entire existence has this majority been recognized as belonging to Christ.…..but are called “workers of lawlessness”….whose laws are they breaking? The first Commandment….putting three other “gods” in the place of the Father, but still claiming it’s not polytheism….and by painting him as a sadistic fiend by inventing a hell of eternal conscious torment.

The first Commandment - Deut 5:7

‘I am the Lord your God who brought you out of the land of Egypt, out of the house of bondage.
‘You shall have no other gods before Me.

The "workers of lawlessness" break the 1st Commandment = NWT = "the Word was a god"

This is how you know who is speaking Truth and who is speaking against the Truth.

 

[David in NJ]

That’s how God has brought you to understand.

He brings us all very differently to understand his word, we should all be very mindful of that..but he will never contradict his word..if what I hear ain’t in scripture, then it never came from God via his Holy Spirit.

he will never contradict his word.

100% TRUTH = God will never contradict His Word


Why then have been denying the Holy Scriptures almost everyday on here?

 

[Ritajanice]

100% TRUTH = God will never contradict His Word


Why then have been denying the Holy Scriptures almost everyday on here?

David, I am not playing your game, I have got nothing to discussed with you, for the second time, thank you.

 

[David in NJ]

David, I am not playing your game, I have got nothing to discussed with you, for the second time, thank you.

Don't discuss - that's is your choice

Speaking the Truth is not a game but it is the LIFE of the SPIRIT of GOD

And know this, you are not being truthful and that does not come from the Holy Spirit.

 

[Pierac]

And also where Jesus says in Matt 28:19-20 to teach and to baptize “in the name of“ the Father, son and holy spirit…..there is not a single reference to these three being one God…..it is suggested. But to do something “in the name of” someone else is to acknowledge their authority over you.
If a sheriff does something “in the name of the law”, he is operating under its authority…..he is not the law.
We can acknowledge the role that each has played in our spiritual journey, if we reach our destination successfully.

After John’s baptism made a person ready to accept the Messiah, those who chose to follow Christ had to be baptized again as one of his disciples……baptized “in the name of Jesus Christ”…..putting themselves under his authority, as he is under his Father’s authority.….”all authority” had to be “given” to him, as he said in Matt 28:18. (1 Cor 11:3)

Indeed Sister...

Name - This word of course brings to mind an actual name, such as John Doe. But what does it mean to a Jew.

Name - 1. designates more than the external person; it tends to express his basic character, his personality. We might say it is an emanation of the person himself. 2. authority of, expressing attributes, in acknowledgment or confession of (NABD & VED).

This definition helps us in a verse like John 17:26:

"I (Jesus) made known to them your name and I will make it known."

Jesus obviously did not come to inform the Apostles that God’s name is YHWH. He came to explain God’s character, His attributes, His will, so that we could come to truly know God and follow His ways. This understanding of the word "name" along with the definition of the next word "baptize" will clear up another misunderstood verse.

Baptize - We always think of being baptized in water, either as infants or adults. Yes, this definition is used many times in the New Testament, but there is also another meaning that we must store in the back of our minds.

Baptize - 1. to unite together, to become closely bound to (TGEL & VED).

Now we will put together the definitions of "name" and "baptize" to get the true meaning of Matthew 28:19. Vine’s Expository Dictionary of Old and New Testament Words has this commentary on this verse:

"The phrase in Matthew 28:19, ‘baptize them in the name’ would indicate that the baptized person was closely bound to, or became property of, the one in whose name he was baptized."

With these definitions we can safely paraphrase this verse as follows:

"Go out into the world and introduce or bring them into the knowledge of the Father, the Son, and the Holy Spirit."

Which is exactly what they did. The Apostles had to go into the world and explain to the Gentiles who God is, who the Son (The Messiah) is, and also about the power that they would receive from God’s Spirit. If we take it to mean that we are to water baptize people in the actual name of the Father, Son, and the Holy Spirit, then why is it that no one in the Bible ever uses this formula to water baptize believers?

 

[ProDeo]

After the war in heaven ~6000 years ago, we, along with Lucifer/Satan, were banished to the Earth for fighting against God and Prince Michael, and the rest of the angels of heaven (Rev. 12:7-9). All of us, except for Lucifer/Satan, agreed to be rehabilitated inside of these human animal bodies, which can feel both pleasure and pain, making it possible to teach us the difference between what is right/good/just and what is wrong/evil/unjust (Deut. 30:15-20).

Trying to understand what you are saying, sounds as if we all preexisted in heaven, we all joined the satanic rebellion and as a result we all were kicked out of heaven here on Earth?

Yes, that is exactly what the Scriptures tell us, hence the numerous references throughout Scripture of this (Earth) being a prison planet.

I am very interested you to provide the Scripture for this fundamental different and seldom heard scenario of what I assume is the true meaning of what happened in the garden, that A&E stand for and symbolizes the complete human race (you, me and everyone born on this "prison planet" (using your words) and all the newborns yet to come.

Then began our sad history of continued disobedience here on Earth, regardless of how often or how severely we were punished. When we stopped listening to God (the small, still voice of reason inside of each of our minds, that some refer to as their "conscience"), God sent His Prophets to speak to us. When we stopped listening to them, God sent His Law to us IN WRITING, to remove any excuses of ignorance. And when we stopped reading, listening to and obeying God, His Law and His Prophets, God sent us His "only begotten" Son (the ONLY spiritual Son God alone made), to both redeem us from our PAST sins (Rom. 3:25), and to be a flesh-and-blood example to us that WITH God, ALL things are possible (Matt. 19:26), i.e. we can and MUST return to keeping God's Law, for everyone's benefit. Anyone who teaches otherwise is the lowest of the low in God's Eyes (Matt. 5:17-19).

Preexistence was believed from the 2 century and was made popular by Origen during the 3th and 4th century when it became under pressure in the 5th and 6th century and preexistence was banned by the Roman Catholic Church during the Fifth Ecumenical Council (A.D. 553)

If anyone does not anathematize Arius, Eunomius, Macedonius, Apollinarius, Nestorius, Eutyches and Origen, as well as their heretical books, and also all other heretics who have already been condemned and anathematized by the holy, catholic and apostolic church and by the four holy synods which have already been mentioned, and also all those who have thought or now think in the same way as the aforesaid heretics and who persist in their error even to death: let him be anathema.​

Not sure if they did wrong or good.

But you say you can proof preexistence from Scripture, I could not, but I am curious to know.

 

[A Freeman]

Do you have a brotherhood who all believe as you do?

Yes.

It is not possible to be a Christian in isolation from those who hold the same truth, no matter what nation they live in (Acts 15:14; Acts 10:34-35)……

1 John 2:15-17
2:15 Love not the world, neither the things [that are] in the world. If any man love the world, the love of the Father is not in him.
2:16 For all that [is] in the world, the lust of the flesh, and the lust of the eyes, and the pride of life, is not from the Father, but is of the world.
2:17 And the world passeth away, and the lust thereof: but he that doeth the Will of God abideth for ever.

John 15:17-20
15:17 These things I command you, that ye love one another.
15:18 If the world hate you, ye know that it HATED me before [it hated] you.
15:19 If ye were of the world, the world would love his own: but because ye are not of the world, but I have chosen you out of the world, therefore the world HATETH you.
15:20 Remember the Truth that I said unto you, The servant is not greater than his lord. If they have persecuted me, they WILL also persecute you; if they have kept my saying, they will keep yours also.

God’s spirit unites his people…it does not divide them.

Agreed. And yet the organized religion that calls itself "Christianity" is divided into thousands of different sects/cults/denominations. Divide and conquer has always been a satanic strategy. We should instead UNITE in keeping God's Perfect Law and doing God's Will, exactly as Christ teaches.

There is one Bible…”one Lord, one faith, one baptism”….but a thousand different interpretation as to what that means….are we to wander off and create our own version of Christianity….going to the great celestial supermarket to select the beliefs that suit our taste, whist leaving others on the shelf?

How many Bible versions are there? How many today know what Faith really is? Christ prophesied that during His Second Coming right before Judgement Day (now), Faith (trust in God) would be at an all-time low.

King of kings' Bible - Luke 18:7-8
18:7 And shall not God avenge His own Elect, which cry day and night unto Him, though He bear long with them?
18:8 I tell you that He will avenge them speedily. Nevertheless when the Son of Man cometh, shall he find Faith on the Earth?

”One Lord, one faith, one baptism” does not allow for that…..the “wheat“ (sheep) exist with the “weeds” (goats) so finding them in among those claiming Jesus as their “Lord” (not their God) is a prime decider because those whom Jesus addresses in Matt 7:21-23 are gobsmacked to be rejected by the one they call “Lord” but in a whole different capacity……Jesus says “I NEVER KNEW YOU”…….”never” means “not ever”…..so not in their entire existence has this majority been recognized as belonging to Christ.…..but are called “workers of lawlessness”….whose laws are they breaking?

God's Perfect Law of Liberty, found in the first five books of the Bible (namely Genesis, Exodus, Leviticus, Numbers and Deuteronomy), is the ONLY Law on this planet. God's Law expressly prohibits ALL man-made legislation, rules, policies, doctrines, "codes", etc. (Deut. 4:2; 12:8; 12:32) under pain of death (Deut. 17:11-13), because any addition or subtraction from His PERFECT Law produces an imperfect standard stripping us of the freedom, justice and protection from evil and oppression we would otherwise have under God's Law.

Today we are all suffering from the greatest oppression in human history (Matt. 24:21-22) because we have abandoned His Law.

Hosea 4:6 My people are destroyed for lack of My Knowledge: because thou hast rejected My Knowledge, I will also reject thee, that thou shalt be no priest to Me: seeing thou hast forgotten The Law of thy God, I will also forget thy children.


We need to be baptized with the Holy Spirit and with FIRE (NOT water, as the churches do) and return to The Law as Christ COMMANDS (Matt. 5:17-19).

Matthew 3:11 I indeed baptize you with water unto repentance: but he that cometh after me is mightier than I, whose shoes I am not worthy to bear: he shall baptize you with the Holy Spirit, and [with] fire:

Luke 3:16 John answered, saying unto [them] all, I indeed baptize you with water; but one mightier than I cometh, the latchet of whose shoes I am not worthy to unloose: he shall baptize you with the Holy Spirit and with fire:

The first Commandment….putting three other “gods” in the place of the Father, but still claiming it’s not polytheism….and by painting him as a sadistic fiend by inventing a hell of eternal conscious torment.

Agreed. It is the First COMMANDment because it is the most important. It isn't a polite request, or even just good advice; it is a COMMAND from God Himself, which cuts through all of the satanic doctrines of the churches, like the pagan 3=1 "trinity" delusion.

John 17:3 And THIS is Life Eternal, that they might KNOW Thee the ONLY True God, and Christ the Saviour, whom Thou hast sent.

 

[Aunty Jane]

Yes.

Are they a local group? A national group or an international group?
Do they have a name?

1 John 2:15-17
2:15 Love not the world, neither the things [that are] in the world. If any man love the world, the love of the Father is not in him.
2:16 For all that [is] in the world, the lust of the flesh, and the lust of the eyes, and the pride of life, is not from the Father, but is of the world.
2:17 And the world passeth away, and the lust thereof: but he that doeth the Will of God abideth for ever.

John 15:17-20
15:17 These things I command you, that ye love one another.
15:18 If the world hate you, ye know that it HATED me before [it hated] you.
15:19 If ye were of the world, the world would love his own: but because ye are not of the world, but I have chosen you out of the world, therefore the world HATETH you.
15:20 Remember the Truth that I said unto you, The servant is not greater than his lord. If they have persecuted me, they WILL also persecute you; if they have kept my saying, they will keep yours also.

Not sure how that relates to what I posted….

Agreed. And yet the organized religion that calls itself "Christianity" is divided into thousands of different sects/cults/denominations. Divide and conquer has always been a satanic strategy. We should instead UNITE in keeping God's Perfect Law and doing God's Will, exactly as Christ teaches.

I am sure many “Christians” would agree with you….but how do you accomplish that with so much disagreement? And what laws would you be seeking to keep? Christ did away with “the curse of the law”….a perfect law given to imperfect people which acted as a constant reminder that a permanent solution was coming in the sacrifice of Jesus Christ. Now we are under the law of love.

Satan is a master of confusion….there is a diamond hiding in a world full of broken glass….how do we find it? How do we identify the diamond from the many fakes produced by the devil? Jesus said to look at their “fruits”…or the kinds of people they produce….he also told us how to identify his true disciples….
John 13:34-35..
”I am giving you a new commandment, that you love one another; just as I have loved you, you also love one another. 35  By this all will know that you are my disciples—if you have love among yourselves.”

Where is the love? It will be shown in how well we take care of each other in a loving brotherhood that seeks to know and assist any who are in need, or who need help and encouragement in our local congregations. When disasters strike, where is our church? Are they rallying to assist their brothers? Local and overseas?
”Love among yourselves” is hands on….all in……and expecting nothing in return. Simply doing to others what we would want done for ourselves.

How many Bible versions are there? How many today know what Faith really is? Christ prophesied that during His Second Coming right before Judgement Day (now), Faith (trust in God) would be at an all-time low.

King of kings' Bible - Luke 18:7-8
18:7 And shall not God avenge His own Elect, which cry day and night unto Him, though He bear long with them?
18:8 I tell you that He will avenge them speedily. Nevertheless when the Son of Man cometh, shall he find Faith on the Earth?

Indeed…..the love of the greater number was to grow cold….and that is exactly what we see…People cannot love what they do not trust…and trust has also been diminishing in a world full of greedy scammers. Not just the internet scammers, but even large Corporations and institutions who used to be trusted, have been exposed as money making rackets.

God's Perfect Law of Liberty, found in the first five books of the Bible (namely Genesis, Exodus, Leviticus, Numbers and Deuteronomy), is the ONLY Law on this planet. God's Law expressly prohibits ALL man-made legislation, rules, policies, doctrines, "codes", etc. (Deut. 4:2; 12:8; 12:32) under pain of death (Deut. 17:11-13), because any addition or subtraction from His PERFECT Law produces an imperfect standard stripping us of the freedom, justice and protection from evil and oppression we would otherwise have under God's Law.

The law of Moses was only for Israel…..no other nation was chosen as God’s people and no other nation was under the law. The Israelites were born under law, obligated from birth to observe it….but no other nation was. Where do you get that idea? Gentiles had to choose to become Christians, and thereafter abide by the law of Christ, according to the dictates of their consequence, not just the rules written in a book.

Today we are all suffering from the greatest oppression in human history (Matt. 24:21-22) because we have abandoned His Law.

Hosea 4:6 My people are destroyed for lack of My Knowledge: because thou hast rejected My Knowledge, I will also reject thee, that thou shalt be no priest to Me: seeing thou hast forgotten The Law of thy God, I will also forget thy children.

And that was true at the time of writing…..God’s nation repeatedly lapsed into disobedience and sin, forcing God to discipline them, sometimes very severely. But he kept forgiving them until his purpose in connection with them was completed and he had brought his Christ into the world as their Messiah.
When they rejected him and had his son put to death, God rejected them and gave them over to the world, as we see that they have had no peace since then...and bloodshed has followed those who went back to their homeland…..no longer the Promised Land, but a land polluted with blood. (Isa 1:15)

We need to be baptized with the Holy Spirit and with FIRE (NOT water, as the churches do) and return to The Law as Christ COMMANDS (Matt. 5:17-19).

Christian baptism begins with water, as Jesus was also baptized to begin his mission. We begin our Christian course with water baptism….only the elect undergo the baptism into Christ’s death (Rom 6:3)
The baptism of fire is for those who think that they can do as they please.. (Matt 3:11)

Agreed. It is the First COMMANDment because it is the most important. It isn't a polite request, or even just good advice; it is a COMMAND from God Himself, which cuts through all of the satanic doctrines of the churches, like the pagan 3=1 "trinity" delusion.

John 17:3 And THIS is Life Eternal, that they might KNOW Thee the ONLY True God, and Christ the Saviour, whom Thou hast sent.

Exactly….those who do not know Yahweh and his son as they truly are, will not gain everlasting life. Apparently they don’t need to “know” the third party at all….

After the war in heaven ~6000 years ago, we, along with Lucifer/Satan, were banished to the Earth for fighting against God and Prince Michael, and the rest of the angels of heaven (Rev. 12:7-9). All of us, except for Lucifer/Satan, agreed to be rehabilitated inside of these human animal bodies, which can feel both pleasure and pain, making it possible to teach us the difference between what is right/good/just and what is wrong/evil/unjust (Deut. 30:15-20).

I too would like to know where this idea comes from as it is not chronologically accurate…..The war in heaven was not 6,000 years ago, nor was the earth ever deemed a prison planet….that seems to be more like a science fiction movie….The Revelation was written about our day and the human race will yet be the eternal inhabitants of paradise on earth as God first intended.

The scripture in Deut 20:15-20 is God’s warning to Israel…..he put “life or death” before them….not “heaven or hell“ as some believe. What he required of them was what he has always required of the human race….our willing obedience. What Satan did to us, Jesus came to undo….

 

[A Freeman]

Trying to understand what you are saying, sounds as if we all preexisted in heaven, we all joined the satanic rebellion and as a result we all were kicked out of heaven here on Earth?



I am very interested you to provide the Scripture for this fundamental different and seldom heard scenario of what I assume is the true meaning of what happened in the garden, that A&E stand for and symbolizes the complete human race (you, me and everyone born on this "prison planet" (using your words) and all the newborns yet to come.



Preexistence was believed from the 2 century and was made popular by Origen during the 3th and 4th century when it became under pressure in the 5th and 6th century and preexistence was banned by the Roman Catholic Church during the Fifth Ecumenical Council (A.D. 553)

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If anyone does not anathematize Arius, Eunomius, Macedonius, Apollinarius, Nestorius, Eutyches and Origen, as well as their heretical books, and also all other heretics who have already been condemned and anathematized by the holy, catholic and apostolic church and by the four holy synods which have already been mentioned, and also all those who have thought or now think in the same way as the aforesaid heretics and who persist in their error even to death: let him be anathema.​

Not sure if they did wrong or good.

But you say you can proof preexistence from Scripture, I could not, but I am curious to know.

Revelation 12:3-4
12:3 And there appeared another wonder in heaven; and behold a great red dragon, having seven heads and ten horns, and seven crowns upon his heads.
12:4 And his tale (of lies - John 8:35) drew the third part of the "Stars" (ch. 9:1) of heaven (into his army), and did (cause them to be) cast to the Earth (for their treason against God): and the dragon stood before the woman which was ready to be delivered, for to devour her child as soon as it was born (Christ - Second Coming).

Revelation 12:7-9
12:7 And there was war in heaven: Michael and his angels fought against the dragon (Lucifer); and the dragon fought and his angels,
12:8 And prevailed not; neither was their place found any more in heaven.
12:9 And the great dragon was cast out, that old serpent, called the Devil, and Satan, which deceiveth the whole world: he was cast out to the Earth, and his angels (you - Luke 9:55) were cast out with him (Matthew 25:41).

Luke 9:54-55
9:54 And when his disciples James and John saw [this], they said, Lord, wilt thou that we command fire to come down from heaven, and consume them, even as Elijah did?
9:55 But he turned, and rebuked them, and said, Ye know not what kind of spirit ye are of (Rev. 12:7-9; Matt. 8:22).

Matthew 7:11 If ye then, BEING EVIL, know how to give good gifts unto your children, how much more shall your Father which is in heaven give good things to them that ask Him?

Matthew 25:41 Then shall he say also unto them on the left hand, Depart from me, ye cursed, into Everlasting Fire, prepared for the devil and his angels (YOU that do not DO God's Will):

We are actually provided this same story in the first chapter of Genesis, if it's correctly understood that the "firmament" is heaven, and that the "waters" are the people/angels (spiritual-Beings):

Genesis 1:6-8
1:6 And God said, Let there be a firmament (Heaven) in the midst of the "waters" (people - Rev. 17:15), and let it divide the "waters" from the "waters" (Rev. 12:3-4; 12:7-9).
1:7 And God made the firmament, and divided the "waters" (1/3 of the angels of heaven, who fought with Satan) which [were] under the firmament (Heaven) from the "waters" which [were] above the firmament (the 2/3rds of the angels of heaven that fought with Michael/Christ): and it was so.
1:8 And God called the firmament Heaven. And the evening and the morning were the Second Day.

Revelation 17:15 And he saith unto me, The "waters" which thou sawest, where the "Whore" sitteth, are peoples, and multitudes, and nations, and tongues.

There are numerous references to everyone here being sinners/law-breakers/criminals throughout Scripture (e.g. Eccl. 7:20; Rom. 3:23) and that NONE of us are righteous (Ps. 53:1-3; Rom. 3:10-12). So it shouldn't come as any surprise to find out this is a prison reform school for the criminally insane (Enoch 18:15, Psalms 69:33, Psalms 102:20, Psalms 142:7, Psalms 146:7, Eccl. 4:14, Isa. 14:17, Isa. 24:22, Isa. 42:7, Isa. 61:1, Lam. 3:31-34).

Psalms 142:7 Bring my soul out of prison, that I may praise Thy name: the righteous shall compass me about; for Thou shalt deal bountifully with me.

Isaiah 42:7 TO OPEN BLIND EYES, TO BRING OUT THE PRISONERS FROM THIS PRISON [planet], [and] them that sit in darkness out of the prison house.

Just look at this planet. People don't even have enough common-sense to know what gender the body they're incarnated inside of is, or what they're supposed to do with its equipment. And don't mind all the wars and vaccines killing billions, because these are very lucrative business investments for a few filthy-rich oligarchs (Matt. 6:24; James 5:1-8).

And what about this thread? People are literally trying to argue that 1=3 and 3=1 because some snake-oil salesman calling himself a priest told them that. All so they can pretend it will be okay to continue sinning/breaking The Law, as if we will be rewarded for being criminals.

 

[A Freeman]

Are they a local group? A national group or an international group?
Do they have a name?

Not sure how that relates to what I posted….

I am sure many “Christians” would agree with you….but how do you accomplish that with so much disagreement? And what laws would you be seeking to keep? Christ did away with “the curse of the law”….a perfect law given to imperfect people which acted as a constant reminder that a permanent solution was coming in the sacrifice of Jesus Christ. Now we are under the law of love.

Satan is a master of confusion….there is a diamond hiding in a world full of broken glass….how do we find it? How do we identify the diamond from the many fakes produced by the devil? Jesus said to look at their “fruits”…or the kinds of people they produce….he also told us how to identify his true disciples….
John 13:34-35..
”I am giving you a new commandment, that you love one another; just as I have loved you, you also love one another. 35  By this all will know that you are my disciples—if you have love among yourselves.”

Where is the love? It will be shown in how well we take care of each other in a loving brotherhood that seeks to know and assist any who are in need, or who need help and encouragement in our local congregations. When disasters strike, where is our church? Are they rallying to assist their brothers? Local and overseas?
”Love among yourselves” is hands on….all in……and expecting nothing in return. Simply doing to others what we would want done for ourselves.

Indeed…..the love of the greater number was to grow cold….and that is exactly what we see…People cannot love what they do not trust…and trust has also been diminishing in a world full of greedy scammers. Not just the internet scammers, but even large Corporations and institutions who used to be trusted, have been exposed as money making rackets.

The law of Moses was only for Israel…..no other nation was chosen as God’s people and no other nation was under the law. The Israelites were born under law, obligated from birth to observe it….but no other nation was. Where do you get that idea? Gentiles had to choose to become Christians, and thereafter abide by the law of Christ, according to the dictates of their consequence, not just the rules written in a book.

And that was true at the time of writing…..God’s nation repeatedly lapsed into disobedience and sin, forcing God to discipline them, sometimes very severely. But he kept forgiving them until his purpose in connection with them was completed and he had brought his Christ into the world as their Messiah.
When they rejected him and had his son put to death, God rejected them and gave them over to the world, as we see that they have had no peace since then...and bloodshed has followed those who went back to their homeland…..no longer the Promised Land, but a land polluted with blood. (Isa 1:15)

Christian baptism begins with water, as Jesus was also baptized to begin his mission. We begin our Christian course with water baptism….only the elect undergo the baptism into Christ’s death (Rom 6:3)
The baptism of fire is for those who think that they can do as they please.. (Matt 3:11)

Exactly….those who do not know Yahweh and his son as they truly are, will not gain everlasting life. Apparently they don’t need to “know” the third party at all….


I too would like to know where this idea comes from as it is not chronologically accurate…..The war in heaven was not 6,000 years ago, nor was the earth ever deemed a prison planet….that seems to be more like a science fiction movie….The Revelation was written about our day and the human race will yet be the eternal inhabitants of paradise on earth as God first intended.

The scripture in Deut 20:15-20 is God’s warning to Israel…..he put “life or death” before them….not “heaven or hell“ as some believe. What he required of them was what he has always required of the human race….our willing obedience. What Satan did to us, Jesus came to undo….

Australia, where your body is from, is an Israelite (British Commonwealth) nation.

Genesis 28:14 And thy seed shall be as "the dust of the earth", and thou shalt spread abroad to the West (U.S.A.), and to the East (Australasia), and to the North (Canada), and to the South (Africa): and in thee and in thy seed shall all the families of the earth be blessed.

Genesis 30:17-20, 49:13-15
30:17 And God hearkened unto Leah, and she conceived, and bare Jacob the fifth son.
30:18 And Leah said, God hath given me my hire, because I have given my maiden to my husband: and she called his name Issachar (An hire).
30:19 And Leah conceived again, and bare Jacob the sixth son.
30:20 And Leah said, God hath endued me [with] a good dowry; now will my husband dwell with me, because I have born him six sons: and she called his name Zebulun (Dwelling).


49:13 Zebulun shall dwell at the haven of the sea; and he [shall be] for an haven of ships; and his border [shall be] unto Zidon.
49:14 Issachar [is] a strong ass couching down between two burdens:
49:15 And he saw that rest [was] good, and the land that [it was] pleasant; and bowed his shoulder to bear, and became a servant unto tribute.



Issachar is believed to have settled in Australia and New Zealand, among other places, with the stars on Issachar's Tribal Standard featured on both the Australian and the New Zealand flags.

Zebulun is believed to have settled in Holland; which has a province named Zebulund (Zealand); and also in Australia and New Zealand, among other places. The boat and sea on Zebulun's Tribal Standard is also featured on New Zealand's (New Zebulund's) Coat-of-Arms.

The word "British" is Hebrew, and means "the people of the Covenant", i.e. the people Israel. So the Australian people, just like the rest of the Israelite nations, have been duped by the churches into believing that they are "gentiles" (foreigners) when, in fact, they are part of the 10 "lost" tribes of Israel.


Graphic above from:

https://gibraltar-messenger.net/babylon/the-worlds-oldest-profession/

The believing REMNANT of these Israelite nations, along with those gentiles grafted into Israel, will be among the "Elect" that Christ was sent here to gather, exactly as Christ prophesied (Rev. 7:4-9; Rev. 14:1-4).

Anyone who hasn't awakened and returned to keeping the Covenants and The Law on the Last Day will not be among those redeemed from the Earth. And that includes those still violating the First Commandment by worshipping the pagan god known as the "trinity".

Romans 13:10 Love worketh no ill to his neighbour: therefore love [is] the fulfilling of The Law.