Exploring Trinitarian Logic

[APAK]

No, I am not.

John 13:34 A new commandment I give to you, that you love one another: just as I have loved you, you also are to love one another.
John 13:35 By this all people will know that you are my disciples, if you have love for one another.”

Rom 12:10 Love one another with brotherly affection. Outdo one another in showing honor.

2Petr 1:5 For this very reason, make every effort to supplement your faith with virtue, and virtue with knowledge,
2Petr 1:6 and knowledge with self-control, and self-control with steadfastness, and steadfastness with godliness,
2Petr 1:7 and godliness with brotherly affection, and brotherly affection with love.



Verse 6 (as you put it) become angry and even violence does not apply about judgemental post, if you insist on using Matt 7 then verse 3-5 apply to you.

And BTW, your post was against the forum rules.

Post without getting personal.

Basta.

You have not seen me get personal yet mate...Just give it a break and move on would be my advice to you. You also seem to be a very complicated person indeed JUDGING from your over emotional words in your posts. If you have issues I would rather please keep them to yourself...I've had enough of you

Enjoy your day and I've stopped listening to you. Find someone else to hear you out. I'm moving on.....later...much later then

 

[ProDeo]

God bless you brother.

 

[Keiw]

HOLY, HOLY, HOLY

That says 0 about a trinity. He is 100% proof=a single being God.

 

[Keiw]

HE is the Word that was God = the Lord

The FATHER WORD HOLY SPIRIT are always THERE

the Word that became flesh Says: "no one comes to the FATHER but thru the ME"

Therefore HE, the Lord

Yes Jesus is Lord--He is not LORD of the OT in your altered translation.

 

[Keiw]

“I am the LORD your God, who brought you out of the land of Egypt, out of the house of slavery.

You shall have no other gods before Me.

You shall not make for yourself an idol in the form of anything in the heavens above, on the earth below, or in the waters beneath.
You shall not bow down to them or worship them; for I, the LORD your God,

LORD=YHVH(Jehovah) = The Father.

 

[Wrangler]

HOLY, HOLY, HOLY

7 in Revelation 3:1. So, God is a 7 or 9-person person, right?

 

[RLT63]

7 in Revelation 3:1. So, God is a 7 or 9-person person, right?

There are 7 spirits of God if I’m not mistaken

 

[Wrangler]

There are 7 spirits of God if I’m not mistaken

Not an answer to my question. Typical.

 

[RLT63]

Not an answer to my question. Typical.

Your question is ridiculous
Rev 3:1 - And unto the angel of the church in Sardis write; These things saith he that hath the seven Spirits of God, and the seven stars; I know thy works, that thou hast a name that thou livest, and art dead.
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Rev 4:5 - And out of the throne proceeded lightnings and thunderings and voices:and there were seven lamps of fire burning before the throne, which are the sevenSpirits of God.
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Rev 5:6 - And I beheld, and, lo, in the midst of the throne and of the four beasts,and in the midst of the elders, stood a Lamb as it had been slain, having sevenhorns and seven eyes, which are the seven Spirits of God sent forth into all the earth.

 

[Wrangler]

Your question is ridiculous

Only to match you post. 3 Holies support 3-in-1 God but 7 Sprits if God do not support a 7–in-1 God because trinitarian logic.

 

[RLT63]

Only to match you post. 3 Holies support 3-in-1 God but 7 Sprits if God do not support a 7–in-1 God because trinitarian logic.

Seven is the number of completeness

 

[Wrangler]

Seven is the number of completeness

God is complete.

 

[Aunty Jane]

The immortality of the soul is clearly seen in many places in Scripture. For example, in Psalm 23:6 David says, “I will dwell in the house of the Lord forever.”

What was “the house of the LORD” in David’s day?
What did the young Jesus say to his parents when he went missing and they found him in deep discussion with the rabbis? (Luke 2:46-49)
What did Jesus say when he found the merchants selling livestock on the Temple grounds? (John 2:16) “The house of the Lord” in those contexts was the Temple.

In Ecclesiastes 12:7 the Preacher mentions two things that happen at death: “The dust returns to the ground it came from, and the spirit returns to God who gave it.”

Yes, the spirit is what returns to God, not the soul. Do you understand the difference, as they are translated from the Greek? The spirit is the “breath” of life…..the soul is the whole person.
The spirit (breath) that returns to God metaphorically speaking, means that in the resurrection, God is the one who brings that soul back to life, giving them breath as he did to Adam, making him a soul……and just as Jesus did to Lazarus, whom he said was “sleeping”. He restored the breath of life. (John 11:11-14)
No immortal soul.

In 2 Corinthians 5:8 Paul says that to be “absent from the body” is to be “present with the Lord” (NKJV). All these passages indicate that the soul is immortal.

As one of the elect, speaking for the body of Christ, he knew that “being present with the Lord” in heaven meant being resurrected in a new spirit body, as flesh and blood cannot exist in that realm…..so dwelling in the flesh, once that anointing was given, was overpowering their natural desire to remain on earth.
Again, no immortal soul.

If the spirit returns to God, then it is immortal as we are also made in the image of God who is immortal.

The immortal spirit who is Yahweh himself, created all his children, both in heaven and on earth, with everlasting life as a given. But in all cases it was provisional and conditional, because that life can be ended if one is disobedient to the Creator. Death would only occur to mankind if they were disobedient.

Angels too must remain obedient or as Jesus says, they will be eliminated from existence in the “lake of fire” which is not “hell”, but a symbol of eternal death….the very opposite of eternal life.

Why would God create beings with enormous power whom he cannot destroy?
And what possible benefit is served by tormenting the souls of humans forever in a fiery hell?
There is no such place.

Of course God does this too.
Matthew 10:28
And do not fear those who kill the body but cannot kill the soul. But rather fear Him who is able to destroy both soul and body in hell.

Read it again….”soul and body” are “destroyed“ in “Gehenna”….which is not “hell” at all if you understand the meaning of this word in Greek. Do a bit of independent research and see that the church has introduced many foreign concepts, all borrowed from paganism…..the devil’s religious system. By adopting pagan beliefs and practices, the church made itself part of the devil’s empire of “Babylon the great”.

In that sense, the soul is immortal as long as God does not destroy it.

If you believe that then you have no idea what immortal means. An immortal cannot die. It literally means “the power of an indestructible life”.

There is no such thing as an immortal soul……that is merely a perpetuation of the devil’s first lie…”you surely will not die”…..so the devil invented a way for that to be true in the minds of senseless humans…..you don’t die, just your body dies, but your soul lives on…..there is not a single scripture that says that is true.

I don't view scripture as having to say it exactly to show souls are immortal. Al believing souls are immortal for example, it tells us that by saying they have eternal life and will never perish, Jesus gives that to them.

John 10
27 My sheep hear My voice, and I know them, and they follow Me. 28 And I give them eternal life, and they shall never perish; neither shall anyone snatch them out of My hand. 29 My Father, who has given them to Me, is greater than all; and no one is able to snatch them out of My Father’s hand.

When Christ comes as judge, all who are living when that judgment is done, having been judged as a “sheep” rather than a “goat”, will inherit everlasting life….a life that like Adam’s will remain conditional as long as they are obedient. But with no satan or demons to derail God’s purpose for mankind again, all will proceed as it was intended at the beginning. God’s will can finally “be done on earth as it is in heaven”…isn’t that what Jesus taught us to pray for? How many people actually pray that prayer without knowing what God’s Kingdom is, and what it is for?…or how it “comes”?

A small portion of humans specially chosen (elected) by God to rule with his son, will die and be resurrected to spirit life in heaven as “kings and priests”…these will be resurrected “first”. (Rev 20:6) This group will all be in heaven ready to implement the rule of God’s kingdom as soon as the judgment is carried out on the unsuspecting “goats”. (Matt 7:21-23)

Those not chosen for a role in God’s kingdom will enjoy their rulership for a thousand years whilst all the damage done by satan and his followers is repaired, and God’s first purpose for us humans will be reinstated. (Rev 21:2-4)

 

[Aunty Jane]

We've already had this discussion

I know, that’s why I thought you may want to raise some valid points for the sake of the discussion….?

 

[St. SteVen]

RLT63 said:
Seven is the number of completeness

God is complete.

Completeness indicates that all the components are present.

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[David in NJ]

LORD=YHVH(Jehovah) = The Father.

The Scriptures, which cannot lie, Declare this: "God the FATHER of our LORD Jesus Christ"

Ephesians 4:4
one body and one Spirit, just as you were called in one hope of your calling; one Lord, one faith, one baptism; one God and Father

Acts 7:32
saying, ‘I am the God of your fathers—the God of Abraham, the God of Isaac, and the God of Jacob.’ And Moses trembled and dared not look. = ONE God that are THREE = ALL 3 are God

Titus 1:4
Grace, mercy, and peace from God the Father and the Lord Jesus Christ our Savior.

Isaiah 43:3
For I am the LORD your God,
the Holy One of Israel, your Savior;

Mark 1:23
Now there was a man in their synagogue with an unclean spirit. And he cried out, saying, “Let us alone!
What have we to do with You, Jesus of Nazareth?
Did You come to destroy us? I know who You are—the Holy One of God!”


Titus 3:4-6
JESUS is the WORD that was God = SAME as the FATHER SAME as the HOLY SPIRIT = 3 = ALL 3 are ONE = ECHAD ELOHIM

But when the kindness and the love of God our Savior toward man appeared, not by works of righteousness which we have done, but according to His mercy He saved us, through the washing of regeneration and renewing of the Holy Spirit,
whom He/FATHER poured out on us abundantly through Jesus Christ our Savior,

 

[Wrangler]

Titus 3:4-6
JESUS is the WORD that was God = SAME as the FATHER SAME as the HOLY SPIRIT = 3 = ALL 3 are ONE = ECHAD ELOHIM

Is that what Titus 3:4-6 teaches?

 

[APAK]

Titus 3, Verse 6b gives the guessing game away David...'through Jesus Christ our Saviour.'

 

[David in NJ]

Is that what Titus 3:4-6 teaches?

Hello Wrangler

This is what the Apostles John and Paul know and wrote:

Everything has a Beginning, except Elohim

Elohim teaches us the Plurality of Elohim beginning in Genesis chapter 1

Elohim, thru Genesis, builds on this Foundation of TRUTH by which Elohim uses repetitive numbering and allegorical visual proof
all in Genesis.

Elohim confirms this TRUTH in Exodus and prophesied this TRUTH thru the OT Prophets

Elohim came to earth as the SON = the Word was God and the Word became flesh and dwelt among us = Immanuel = God with us

Thus the Apostle John wrote: In the beginning was the Word and the Word was with God and the Word was God

Thus the Apostle Paul wrote: one body and one Spirit, just as you were called in one hope of your calling; one Lord, one faith, one baptism; one God and Father
God our Savior toward man appeared
renewing of the Holy Spirit
HE/FATHER poured out on us abundantly through Jesus Christ our Savior

John 8:24 - for unless you believe that I am He, you will die in your sins.”

@Wrangler, may the God and Father of our LORD Jesus Christ grant you understanding in the WAY the TRUTH and the LIFE

 

[David in NJ]

Titus 3, Verse 6b gives the guessing game away David...'through Jesus Christ our Saviour.'

Hello APAK,
Why are you guessing???