Everyone Goes to Heaven

[Harold]

"No matter how enjoyable your conversation is, no matter how interesting you don't know these people. Don't trust them so much" my mother tells me around 4:03 PM Oct 23 Monday because she heard me on a voice call with my friends. Both my mother and I do work from home, but sometimes we have to go for physical meetings too. My sister is physically at school and my father physically at work. Such as where I'm heading off to now. I type this on my phone while eating.



When I was on the Christian Universalists Discord server before, I think I was, to an extent, possibly fooled by my mother's rhetoric. Perhaps part of the reason why I did not socialize much on that server for months. But then I hit the sudden realization that my mother wanted me to stop communicating with people about Christianity on Discord, to stop even studying the Bible on my own. Her viewpoint was so extreme that it made me realize I should stop mindlessly obeying her every action and trying to suck up to her.



Romans 12:16 NRSVue

Live in harmony with one another; do not be arrogant, but associate with the lowly; do not claim to be wiser than you are.



Despite it being a "Discord" server, I think there is harmony

φρονοῦντες (phronountes)

Strong's 5426: there. The concordance uses the term's "I direct the mind to", (mods), "I think" (users), "I observe" (lurkers), "I care for" (all of y'all).



If my infernalist mother wants me to stop spreading Christian Universalism then she's going to have to try a lot harder than this! Because even if I am ever silenced, I trust the people of the Christian Universalists Discord server to continue spreading Christian Universalism, I believe in them. Therefore, all people shall believe in Jesus Christ and thus gain permanent life. Amen.

 

[Harold]

Back again with more theology on the toilet (a different toilet this time) Oct 24 2023 Tuesday. Earlier today I physically saw a person in real life who spoke of how we have, psychologically speaking, multiple selves.

Some are lucky to have a self identity with their family to rely on. For those without this, they could fall back on their professional identity. Only if they're lucky to have an enjoyable safe job. Maybe then a person could further fall back to a social identity, if they're lucky to have friends. Maybe then an online identity, if they're lucky enough to have Internet access. Without any of these identities of the self to rely on, what then does the self have?

It is an absolute fact that we ourselves are all made in the image of God. So we all have an identity made of God, regardles of whether a person is "saved" or "unsaved", Christian or non-Christian, believer or unbeliever or any sort of labels people use. We can't change the definitive truth that we are all God's creation, that is an irreversible, unchangeable, immutable constant.

```Genesis 1:26 NRSVue Then God said, “Let us make humans in our image, according to our likeness, and let them have dominion over the fish of the sea and over the birds of the air and over the cattle and over all the wild animals of the earth and over every creeping thing that creeps upon the earth.”```

Genesis 1:26 - The Sixth Day

Then God said, Let Us make man in Our image, after Our likeness, to rule over the fish of the sea and the birds of the air, over the livestock, and over all the earth itself and every creature that crawls upon it.

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the term "in Our image,"
בְּצַלְמֵ֖נוּ (bə·ṣal·mê·nū)
Strong's 6754: also shows us we are quote "representative", of God, we all havw a "resemblance" of God, every
אָדָ֛ם (’ā·ḏām)
Strong's 120: "human being"

I see this as essentially guaranteeing salvation of all. As all are descendants of Adam already in ressemblance and representation of God, Jesus, does not the LORD want to complete His work? In order for all to become believers in God, Christ?

 

[Jack]

Just curious Harold, do you think you'll go to Heaven by leading LGBT's to Hell?

 

[Harold]

Just curious Harold, do you think you'll go to Heaven by leading LGBT's to Hell?

Hi Jack,

As we know, being LGBTQIA+ is not inherently sinful I discuss this on my site here: https://jesus-saves-all.com/LGBTQ.htm

God bless

 

[Harold]

Today before 2:35 PM CDT Oct 25 2023 I was connecting many of my alt accounts to Discord via Connections. It made me realize how much I’ve changed as a person in just a few years. Why then, are infernalists and annihlationists so adamant to set death as the cut off when a person can have faith alone in Christ to be permanently saved?



Ecclesiastes 3:1 - To Everything There is a Season

Ecclesiastes 3:1 NRSVue For everything there is a season and a time for every matter under heaven:



“RaidenShogunFan” “HonkaiStarRailer” “HaroldSamson” now “JSA”. You could say that each online username I had represented a different “self” of myself. Another character arc, another season of an anime. So I believe that God will give enough time וְעֵ֥ת (wə·‘êṯ) Strong's 6256, for everyone to go through their character developpment.

 

[Harold]

October 25 2023, before 10:19 PM I was on a voice call with my friends from the Christian Universalists Discord Server.



I heard knocking on the side of the wall. My infernalist was listening to this conversation without my permission, when I said that I was 22 years old to a person online. I was inside of my blue bedroom with the blue door closed. I ended the call eventually and then my mother began shouting at me. I was not talking much and answering her calmly, because I love her, though I am against her abusive behavior.



She tells me that I’m not a Christian, that I’m just faking it. That I’m a liar. And she tells me that God will punish me, and repeats it. She tells me she will pray even. “You’ll get your punishment, I’m telling you” my mother says. She was grabbing my SanDisk Extension Portable SSD 2TB and was trying to threaten me as though she was going to pull it out of my black Intel Core i5 vPro 8th Gen hp Elitedesk PC.



She suddenly grabbed my black IPhone with “OtterBOX” case and switched it between hands, behind her, keeping it away from me. This was in the basement with the light blue walls. She took it from me without my permission, but I was luckily able to get it back.



I was typing one handed with my left hand, while my right hand grabbed my book I was reading, because my mother was trying to pull it away from me. When I let my right hand off it, she would try to suddenly grab it from me. She tells me that I’m claiming to be a Christian when I’m not, saying that I’m not smart enough. She is emotionally violent.



```Psalm 140:1 NRSVue Deliver me, O Lord, from evildoers; protect me from those who are violent, ```



My mother asks me how I will protect my family. I quietly reply in a scared voice saying that the Lord will protect us and that I trust in Him. I believe the Lord will protect all people, thus all will believe in Christ and be permanently saved. I am afraid of my mother, but I would still like to be her friend, even though she is a child abuser. She is the source of my decade of suffering, my religious trauma, and she continues to traumatize me with her narcissistic behavior, but I show her kindness and forgive her. She is a product of her environment; from the physical abuse she suffered growing up.



I had to grab my Lenovo black mouse with red mouse wheel too because she tried to take it from me. My mother says I will be punished by God, saying “You will be responsible for all of this”. It is 10:43 PM CDT. My head hurts, it feels tight. Just another day with my mother. I had to close my Word Document tab, because I could feel my mother watching me from behind me. She tells me she’s going to have a long prayer and that she’s going to by bedroom to pray. It’s 10:49 PM CDT.

 

[Jack]

Hi Jack,

As we know, being LGBTQIA+ is not inherently sinful I discuss this on my site here: https://jesus-saves-all.com/LGBTQ.htm

God bless

You're LYING to yourself and to LGBT's. Jesus said LGBT's are heading for Hell fire.

 

[Harold]

You're LYING to yourself and to LGBT's. Jesus said LGBT's are heading for Hell fire.

Where in the Bible does Jesus specifically say this Jack? I don't see any verse you posted on your message my friend

1 Cor 13:8 Love never fails
And I believe the love Jesus has for the LGBT Community will never fail

 

[Harold]

My mother starts talking to me yesterday Thursday 2:45 PM Oct 26 2023 as we are upstairs after I took a shower. She tells me the people that I talk to could be convicted and have criminal records. I do not have a criminal record.



"They could appear so interested in your conversation but you don't know who they are" my mother tells me.



She tells me that this is worse then when she was looking through my sister's phone messages without her permission. I tell her I am against her doing that.



"That's so scary I'm really upset I'm really worried about it" my mother says. She is angry because I talk about my own personal life to people online.



My mother says to me "Be smart... be wise... I want you to be wise... And then these people, you don't know what they're gonna plan in the future. ... Until they get your trust. You're gonna trust them so much. They're going to look like they really like you. There's a lot of fake people now online, don't you know. You should know that, there's a lot of news about that too. If you Google that. There's a lot of cases like that. People look like they're good people when they're not. They're pretending their good friends; they get what you really want to do. They can really tell. They know how old you are, they know how to trick you. ... Tricking you! I thought you're the one thats gonna protect this family. You're the brother. We cannot rely on you anymore. What we gonna rely? Who? Who's gonna protect us when papa's gone?"



"They have that interior motive" my mother says, I think she means ulterior motive.



I trust the people online from the Christian Universalists Discord server. And I also trust that Christian Universalism is true, that all people, online and offline, alive and dead, shall become believers in Christ and thus gain permanent salvation.



``` Psalm 56:4 NRSVue In God, whose word I praise, in God I trust; I am not afraid; what can flesh do to me? ```

 

[bluedragon]

If Hitler, Stalin, Saddam and other nasty people will be in heaven I don't think i'd like to go..:)​

So many holes in this work .....Quit taking one verse and trying to shoehorn it into a specific misrepresentation of scripture .....Read the entire chapter and try again ......I know you mean well .....

 

[bluedragon]

If Hitler, Stalin, Saddam and other nasty people will be in heaven I don't think i'd like to go..:)​

The words to the song are "If heaven ain't a lot like Dixie. I don't want to go" LOL .....

 

[Jack]

Where in the Bible does Jesus specifically say this Jack? I don't see any verse you posted on your message my friend

1 Cor 13:8 Love never fails
And I believe the love Jesus has for the LGBT Community will never fail

Gee Harold, how many times must I quote Jesus? Those who read your posts know you reject the Christian Bible.

1 Corinthians 6
9 Do you not know that the unrighteous will not inherit the kingdom of God? Do not be deceived. Neither fornicators, nor idolaters, nor adulterers, nor homosexuals, nor sodomites,

 

[amigo de christo]

You're LYING to yourself and to LGBT's. Jesus said LGBT's are heading for Hell fire.

 

[amigo de christo]

high time the church gets back to preaching that WHICH IS RIGHT in the SIGHT OF GOD
and not rather being focused about everyones right TO DO EVIL .
IT WONT BODE WELL ON THE DAY OF THE LORD for those who loved a lie and praticed or supported SIN .

 

[Harold]

9:19 PM Oct 26 2023 Thursday, my mother comes downstairs and tries again to get me to stop talking with users from the Christian Universalists Discord server, going on another one of her long winded rants saying "You don't tell people anything about you. Cause they're gonna use that to their advantage, that's the logic to that. ... They're gonna use that against you. They will use that to win your trust. They're gonna be like sympathize. Like oh yeah I understand this is what. But really they're gonna trap you. That's why me even though we have problems in the house I don't tell people. They'll say that's the kind of family I have. Do you think they would care? They're just gonna tell people who you are. And that's embarrassing. Embarrass you. It's gonna bounce back to you. When you're speaking to people you need to be very very smart. You need to think fast. That's why you don't give information. The hard thing here is if that person chatting has a criminal background. Or someone who is ISIS. You just don't know! They can pretend! Especially if they have the ability to come to different places, that more scary. Yeah they interested to talk to, very interested. Like someone about to kill you they're gonna give you food that's really tasty like you're really gonna like it. You have to be very very careful, you don't trust people. ... What is this twisted? Why is this going reversed? You should use your logic. You should practice sensing danger because sensing danger is something that you learned it's not just gonna come to you. Danger is not like something you can ahead of you. Especially nowadays everything is online. You have to see danger. You have to be able to detect that. If you cannot detect that, I don't know what is wrong. That means something wrong with your Christianity. That's a fake Christian. You should have guidance from God. If you're a real Christian, you should have guidance." End of my mother’s quote.



In my mother's cruel self-righteous attitude, she falsely thinks those who do not fit into her arbitrary requirements are not quote-on-quote "true" Christians. As if it were up to her to decide! And what's her reasoning? Because someone can't detect danger? That makes no sense. My view is simple. If someone tells me they're a Christian, then I say to them that they are a Christian. Still, her unkind words hurt me.



```Exodus 15:13 NRSVue In your steadfast love you led the people whom you redeemed; you guided them by your strength to your holy abode. ```



Exodus 15:13 - Moses' Song of Deliverance



Does not the LORD God desire to guide aka lead aka transport נָחִ֥יתָ (nā·ḥî·ṯā) Strong's 5148 all people to permanent safety? Both Christians and non-Christians? All, who are either believers in Christ currently or upcoming believers in Christ? Whether someone's a Christian now or later, Universal Reconciliation with the LORD God is an inevitable event, as He guides all of us towards Him, just as we all were created by Him.

 

[Jack]

9:19 PM Oct 26 2023 Thursday, my mother comes downstairs and tries again to get me to stop talking with users from the Christian Universalists Discord server, going on another one of her long winded rants saying "You don't tell people anything about you. Cause they're gonna use that to their advantage, that's the logic to that. ... They're gonna use that against you. They will use that to win your trust. They're gonna be like sympathize. Like oh yeah I understand this is what. But really they're gonna trap you. That's why me even though we have problems in the house I don't tell people. They'll say that's the kind of family I have. Do you think they would care? They're just gonna tell people who you are. And that's embarrassing. Embarrass you. It's gonna bounce back to you. When you're speaking to people you need to be very very smart. You need to think fast. That's why you don't give information. The hard thing here is if that person chatting has a criminal background. Or someone who is ISIS. You just don't know! They can pretend! Especially if they have the ability to come to different places, that more scary. Yeah they interested to talk to, very interested. Like someone about to kill you they're gonna give you food that's really tasty like you're really gonna like it. You have to be very very careful, you don't trust people. ... What is this twisted? Why is this going reversed? You should use your logic. You should practice sensing danger because sensing danger is something that you learned it's not just gonna come to you. Danger is not like something you can ahead of you. Especially nowadays everything is online. You have to see danger. You have to be able to detect that. If you cannot detect that, I don't know what is wrong. That means something wrong with your Christianity. That's a fake Christian. You should have guidance from God. If you're a real Christian, you should have guidance." End of my mother’s quote.



In my mother's cruel self-righteous attitude, she falsely thinks those who do not fit into her arbitrary requirements are not quote-on-quote "true" Christians. As if it were up to her to decide! And what's her reasoning? Because someone can't detect danger? That makes no sense. My view is simple. If someone tells me they're a Christian, then I say to them that they are a Christian. Still, her unkind words hurt me.



```Exodus 15:13 NRSVue In your steadfast love you led the people whom you redeemed; you guided them by your strength to your holy abode. ```



Exodus 15:13 - Moses' Song of Deliverance



Does not the LORD God desire to guide aka lead aka transport נָחִ֥יתָ (nā·ḥî·ṯā) Strong's 5148 all people to permanent safety? Both Christians and non-Christians? All, who are either believers in Christ currently or upcoming believers in Christ? Whether someone's a Christian now or later, Universal Reconciliation with the LORD God is an inevitable event, as He guides all of us towards Him, just as we all were created by Him.

Maybe your Mom is a Christian trying to pull her son from Hell fire.

 

[Harold]

Oct 28 2023 around 1:46 PM Saturday while I was fixing the channel permissions on the Christian Universalists Discord Server, my mother was trying to stop my sister from making plans to pursue mechanical engineering in the future, saying all sorts of sexists remarks. What right does my mother think she has to control the entire life of a person? To take away their whole future?



My sister's good at math, I'd say, well, she's a lot better at it than me I think. Does she view her own daughter as her competition, hence the attempts of sabotage? Under infernalism/annihilationism, how can we ever live a life of peace here on Earth when our fates are treated like a game of sport. Who's going to be saved? Who's going to be lost? It leaves no room for grace.



```John 1:16 NRSVue From his fullness we have all received, grace upon grace. ```

John 1:16 - The Word Became Flesh

From His fullness we have all received grace upon grace.

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Because of the fullness of grace

χάριν (charin) Strong's 5485: From chairo; graciousness, so too must it be received by the fullness of all creation through reconciliation with God through Christ by belief in Him given by Him.

 

[Jack]

Oct 28 2023 around 1:46 PM Saturday while I was fixing the channel permissions on the Christian Universalists Discord Server, my mother was trying to stop my sister from making plans to pursue mechanical engineering in the future, saying all sorts of sexists remarks. What right does my mother think she has to control the entire life of a person? To take away their whole future?

My sister's good at math, I'd say, well, she's a lot better at it than me I think. Does she view her own daughter as her competition, hence the attempts of sabotage? Under infernalism/annihilationism, how can we ever live a life of peace here on Earth when our fates are treated like a game of sport. Who's going to be saved? Who's going to be lost? It leaves no room for grace.

```John 1:16 NRSVue From his fullness we have all received, grace upon grace. ```

John 1:16 - The Word Became Flesh

From His fullness we have all received grace upon grace.

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Because of the fullness of grace

χάριν (charin) Strong's 5485: From chairo; graciousness, so too must it be received by the fullness of all creation through reconciliation with God through Christ by belief in Him given by Him.

LGBT's are going to be lost. Jesus said so. Should we believe you or Jesus?

 

[Harold]

Around 1:34 PM today October 30th 2023 my mother tells me she worked in a factory. I remember in the past, she told me she had a coworker who was a friend and they had a disagreement over what the temperature should be. And this was the reason why they stopped being friends with each other.



So that story gave me a particular mindset towards disagreements. But when I think about, was it really the disagreement itself that lead to their friendship ending? Or moreso, the way they handled it. Because I think people can still respectfully disagree on something. For many Christian Universalists, sometimes the only thing that they can all agree on is that all will be saved by Christ.



```2 Timothy 2:23 NRSVue Have nothing to do with stupid and senseless controversies; you know that they breed quarrels. ```

2 Timothy 2:23 - The Lord's Approved Workman



Controversies ζητήσεις (zētēseis) here can also be interpreted as Strong's 2214: A question, debate, speculation; a seeking, search. From zeteo; a searching, i.e. A dispute or its theme. As I mentioned before, my mother is the type of person who regularly quarrels with others. So maybe it was just a mismatch of personality types? I think, if people are kinder to each other, they would be able to exist despite disagreements in theology and scripture interpretation and still remain friends. If I stopped being friends with someone because I personally disagreed with them something random, I don’t think I would have any friends!



Still I appreciate the diversity too in Universalism spaces, it makes for interesting dialogue. I’ve held so many views, many of which have changed as I’ve been presented with new information, that I would be shocked if something literally agreed with every single one of them. And even if they somehow did, I end up changing my interpretations of certain Bible verses that I don’t know if they would follow my same route either.



Overall, I think a person should be friends with a person for the sake of the person themselves. Our knowledge is constantly fluctuating and changing, maybe sometimes they’ll match, or overlap, and othertimes be completely seperated from each other. But if we’re only friends with someone just because they just so happen to agree with the same things of us, then we fall into the trap of basing our friendship on a fleeting temporal construct.

 

[Harold]

This morning Oct 31 2023 Tuesday there was a person speaking IRL and they spoke of how gender is a social construct which is different from biological sex, which I agree with. We see how different cultures perceive gender differently, and how societies perception of gender has changed throughout history, though the gender one is born with remains the same.
I remember how an LGBTQIA+ member on Discord DMed me months ago asked me how gender would work in Heaven. I affirm transgender people.
Galations 3:28 NRSVue There is no longer Jew or Greek; there is no longer slave or free; there is no longer male and female, for all of you are one in Christ Jesus.
Galatians 3:28 - Sons Through Faith in Christ
On Earth, society’s view of gender is constantly shifting, though no one changes their gender as it is what a person is born with. There can be different societies on Earth which perceive people's genders differently, but it doesn't change the fact that people are born with a gender that does not change.
Still though, who knows if the social construct of gender will even exist in Heaven? Since gender is a societal phenomenon than that means it’s based off of the society of Earth while we are on Earth. But who can say what the social constructs of Heaven will be? Who can say what the society of Heaven will be like?
I’m an AMAB gender fluid person and sometimes I feel like being a girl other times I feel like being non-binary. But I can say for certainty right now that my gender expression does not 100% match me being assigned as a male at birth. So I at least have that understanding. Still, I don’t know for sure what my own gender identity has been and is, so I just use the pronouns he/him/they/them currently out of personal preference. This is a general concept I’ve thought of for months and, hearing this person IRL talk about it, made me decide to type out my own personal theorizing here as today’s quote.
Regardless though, there’s nothing wrong with being transgender. And I fully support trans rights. All people, regardless of whether they have a gender identity or do not, will become believers in Christ and thus gain permanent life. Though my own understanding of societal aspects is constantly changing, what is constant is the love that God has for all of us. And I believe He is also patient with us. I’m sure He will give us more understanding through grace as time goes on.