Elect or Not Elect: Why ALL Should Be Alarmed

[One 2 question]

There's no future 1000 year reign,

So when is Jesus reigning as King of his global government with His kings and priests? When did the 1,000 years start? Has the 1,000 years expired? This would be handy to know so we can prepared for Satan's release and return to earth for he 'must be loosed a little season' Rev 20:3

 

[One 2 question]

Please stop adding lies to God's Word, god doesn't have many different elect's. He only elected to save a number of people, before He created the world. There are no other elect's as you foolishly claim, show me where God said He was going to save anyone else apart from His elect. I won't hold my breath waiting for you to show me because I know they don't exist, so stop making up lies.

This is where direct revelation from the Revelator is so cool. He shares His thoughts with His creation.

The Spirit of God revealed the mass repenting of all those outside His kingdom. The one who led the turning back to their Creators was Satan.


As I observed this scene, the Creators accepted them, reconciling every one of them to Themselves.


God the Father went further than that. While engaging with Satan, He reached behind Him and produced a throne to His left. This prodigal angel was shown mercy and grace of the highest order.


Now isn't that something amazing, that not only the angels in heaven will rejoice over, but we the firstfuits also as we join them in worshipping our Creators. What a reunion party this will be! To be reunited with those we were separated from, be it us humans or angels. The prodigal angels have returned. This is so exciting! My heart can't help but be filled with joy right now. Oh the love of God for Their creation is absolutely astounding.

John 1:1-5 In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God. The same was in the beginning with God. All things were made by him; and without him was not any thing made that was made. In him was life; and the life was the light of men.

Truth! Jesus co-created Adam. Or are you saying Jesus was refering to angels when it was written, And God said, Let us make man in our image, after our likeness. Behold, the man is become as one of us, to know good and evil. Gen 1:26 & 3:22

'Us' is who?

 

[One 2 question]

You missed my whole point, I was trying to say that nobody is disputing that the black and white words are in the book. Everyone can see the words written in black and white, but nobody agrees with what they are saying. Everyone twists them to make them say what they want them to say, nobody cares about what God was trying to say.

I 6I would say that some know what God is saying, but it would be different to maybe what He's saying to you.

Take you and I for example. We quoted the same bible text but received something quite different. That's fine with me. I tell one of my children one thing and another something different. I treat them as individuals. Our Father in heaven does the same with us.

 

[Christian Soldier]

Just out of interest, what was Paul refering to when he said CREATION groans. Creation to you being?

You could even answer your own question, if you're an honest person you would know that bears are held in small cages for 40 odd years, with a tube inserted in to extract bile from them. Men use this bile to enhance their sexual performance, but the bear is tormented for it's entire life.

The bears teeth and claws are grown down to noting because the bears bite into the steel bars and scratch the bars with their claws, everyday for 40 years. You should ask the bears what it means to groan for their redemption.

You should ask all of those children who are kidnapped by human traffickers, and sold as sex slaves to evil men. Many of them commit suicide, while they groan for redemption.

The only ones who are not groaning are the wicked, they dread the day of redemption because they will be cast into the lake of fire. So it's ridiculous to suggest that all of creation is groaning for their redemption, because redemption will be the best thing to happen for one group and it will be the worst thing to happen to the other group which is your Satan and Co. and everyone who lives in sin.

There's no need to complicate the Bible, it makes much more sense when we allow the Bible to interpret itself.,

 

[Christian Soldier]

So when is Jesus reigning as King of his global government with His kings and priests? When did the 1,000 years start? Has the 1,000 years expired? This would be handy to know so we can prepared for Satan's release and return to earth for he 'must be loosed a little season' Rev 20:3

First of all the 1000 years is only mentioned once in the bible, secondly it doesn't mean a literal 1000 year period. It means a long time, so Jesus has been reigning on the earth through the gospel, since He bound the strong man of thew house and plundered his goods. You can look that up if you don't know about it.

Satan will be loosed for a short while, just before Christ returns. Nobody knows when Christ will return because He will comes as a thief in the night, nobody will be expecting Him. He did give us some signs to watch for, just before His return. We are seeing these in our time, so He may appear at any moment.

 

[Christian Soldier]

This is where direct revelation from the Revelator is so cool. He shares His thoughts with His creation.

The Spirit of God revealed the mass repenting of all those outside His kingdom. The one who led the turning back to their Creators was Satan.


As I observed this scene, the Creators accepted them, reconciling every one of them to Themselves.


God the Father went further than that. While engaging with Satan, He reached behind Him and produced a throne to His left. This prodigal angel was shown mercy and grace of the highest order.


Now isn't that something amazing, that not only the angels in heaven will rejoice over, but we the firstfuits also as we join them in worshipping our Creators. What a reunion party this will be! To be reunited with those we were separated from, be it us humans or angels. The prodigal angels have returned. This is so exciting! My heart can't help but be filled with joy right now. Oh the love of God for Their creation is absolutely astounding.

Truth! Jesus co-created Adam. Or are you saying Jesus was refering to angels when it was written, And God said, Let us make man in our image, after our likeness. Behold, the man is become as one of us, to know good and evil. Gen 1:26 & 3:22

'Us' is who?

You said,

"Now isn't that something amazing, that not only the angels in heaven will rejoice over, but we the firstfuits also as we join them in worshipping our Creators. What a reunion party this will be! To be reunited with those we were separated from, be it us humans or angels. The prodigal angels have returned. This is so exciting! My heart can't help but be filled with joy right now. Oh the love of God for Their creation is absolutely astounding".

This is by far the most evil and blasphemous thing I've ever heard. Words fail me, I had no idea you were capable of something as heinous as that. All I can do is pray for you, as this sort of thing is beyond human reasoning.
You are suggesting that God will commit fornication with Satan!!!

 

[Christian Soldier]

I 6I would say that some know what God is saying, but it would be different to maybe what He's saying to you.

Take you and I for example. We quoted the same bible text but received something quite different. That's fine with me. I tell one of my children one thing and another something different. I treat them as individuals. Our Father in heaven does the same with us.

God only gave us one message, as we have it in the bible. I have thousands of people willing to give you their houses if yo can show any evidence for extra biblical revelation.
We all have the same old 66 books and nothing more, only those who are Demon possessed will say otherwise.

 

[One 2 question]

First of all the 1000 years is only mentioned once in the bible

A word search brought up 9. And 6 times by John in his book.

, secondly it doesn't mean a literal 1000 year period.

Did God tell YOU that?

It means a long time,

Did God tell you this too?

so Jesus has been reigning on the earth through the gospel, since He bound the strong man of thew house and plundered his goods. You can look that up if you don't know about it.

Tell me more...

Satan will be loosed for a short while, just before Christ returns.

Again, tell me more...

Nobody knows when Christ will return because He will comes as a thief in the night, nobody will be expecting Him. He did give us some signs to watch for, just before His return. We are seeing these in our time, so He may appear at any moment.

I certainly hope so. Yay!

 

[One 2 question]

God only gave us one message, as we have it in the bible. I have thousands of people willing to give you their houses if yo can show any evidence for extra biblical revelation.
We all have the same old 66 books and nothing more, only those who are Demon possessed will say otherwise.

When did God tell you He only gave you 66 books and nothing more? What exactly did He reveal to YOU?

I did a word search for 66 books and it showed 0 VERSES FOUND, 0 MATCHES.

I think Jesus may rather you and the others willing to give your houses away to give them to the poor and follow Him if you aren't already.

 

[One 2 question]

You said,

"Now isn't that something amazing, that not only the angels in heaven will rejoice over, but we the firstfuits also as we join them in worshipping our Creators. What a reunion party this will be! To be reunited with those we were separated from, be it us humans or angels. The prodigal angels have returned. This is so exciting! My heart can't help but be filled with joy right now. Oh the love of God for Their creation is absolutely astounding".

This is by far the most evil and blasphemous thing I've ever heard. Words fail me, I had no idea you were capable of something as heinous as that. All I can do is pray for you, as this sort of thing is beyond human reasoning.

Absolutely, it was beyond human reasoning. If I wasn't being carried along and led by the Spirit of God that day I would've questioned it too, just as you have.

But it was an experience I'll never forget. It was like no other. I hadn't heard anyone mention this before. It was absolutely amazing. An answer to some of my prayers.

My love for Those Who imagined, created and own everything that exists, including satan and his angels, has never stopped increasing since They revealed this extent of Their love, Their mercy and grace.

You are suggesting that God will commit fornication with Satan!!!

What do mean by this my friend?

 

[One 2 question]

The only ones who are not groaning are the wicked, they dread the day of redemption because they will be cast into the lake of fire. So it's ridiculous to suggest that all of creation is groaning for their redemption, because redemption will be the best thing to happen for one group and it will be the worst thing to happen to the other group which is your Satan and Co. and everyone who lives in sin.

So you believe that Jesus created all the planets, including earth? And Paul said the whole creation groans. Not just some but the whole (Greek word pas; all, any, every, the whole). So every planet of His creation groans, right down to planet earth including the bears and children you refered to.

There's no need to complicate the Bible, it makes much more sense when we allow the Bible to interpret itself.,

Yes, so when John said 1000 years in his book he meant one thousand years. Not a fraction of it or more, but the whole 1000 years. And we don't want to add to or take away from any prophecy in his book.

If he be right, there could be some consequenses you may have to face. And they might not be pretty. But you may not believe all, the whole, everything what's written in his book.

 

[Christian Soldier]

A word search brought up 9. And 6 times by John in his book.

Did God tell YOU that?

Did God tell you this too?

Tell me more...

Again, tell me more...

I certainly hope so. Yay!

The bible only mentions 1000 years with regard to the millennial reign of Christ on the earth. I thought you would have picked up on that, I know the bible mentions 1000 years in other places but none of those refer to Christ's millennial reign.

I participated in a bible study on this subject. below is a summary of our study.

Of all the aspects of eschatology, the doctrine of the last things, perhaps none is more controversial than the millennium. Even in an era when many people do not devote much effort to studying theology, much time is spent trying to figure out the teaching on the millennium in Revelation 20:1–6.

The different millennial positions can be attributed in part to the highly symbolic nature of the language in Revelation. It can be difficult to know when to take the book figuratively and when to take it literally. Furthermore, Revelation 20:1–6 is the only passage in Scripture that deals with the millennial reign of Christ explicitly. Because the data is sparse, there is a greater propensity for divergence in interpretation because there is little else to directly confirm one’s view.

In the history of Christian theology, three major millennial views have been advocated. First is the premillennial view. This position holds that the one thousand years in Revelation should be read as an actual time designation, that when Christ returns He will reign over an earthly kingdom that will last for a literal one thousand years, after which the new heavens and earth will arrive.

The amillennial interpretation of Revelation 20 affirms a figurative view of the millennium. The entire period between the ascension and return of Christ is the millennium, which means that it is much longer than an actual one thousand years. Christ is ruling now over a spiritual kingdom that will be immediately consummated at His return, and the new heavens and earth will then be in place.

Finally, the postmillennial position agrees with amillennialism that the millennium will take place before the return of Jesus. However, postmillennialism holds that there will be a time of widespread peace and prosperity before Christ’s return that will result from the preaching of the gospel. Great numbers of people will be converted and society will be transformed, and then Jesus will return. This is different from amillennialism, which says things will mostly continue as they are until Christ returns, with the gospel spreading widely in some places and being resisted in others.

Good and godly Christians have differed over this matter, so it is difficult to hold any of these views too strongly. Whatever view one holds, what we must affirm is that Christ is ruling and reigning over the cosmos now. For He has been exalted to God’s right hand and must reign until all things are put under His feet (1 Cor. 15:25).

 

[Christian Soldier]

When did God tell you He only gave you 66 books and nothing more? What exactly did He reveal to YOU?

I did a word search for 66 books and it showed 0 VERSES FOUND, 0 MATCHES.

I think Jesus may rather you and the others willing to give your houses away to give them to the poor and follow Him if you aren't already.

Unlike yourself, I believe God controls every single aspect of His creation. This obviously includes which books He chose to include in the bible. If you believe God is not in control everything, then we will fundamentally disagree in all things.

The 66 books of the bible are Gods choice, so if you have a problem with that, then your problem is with God and not me.

Jesus blessed me with wealth, for His own mysterious purpose, I don't know why He chose to bless me with wealth and afflict others with poverty. But I know that He never ever taught His people to give their wealth to the poor, as this would go against His predestinated will for us.
Jesus promised that the poor will always be with us, He never showed any interest in solving the problem of poverty. So I can only assume that He ordained some to be wealthy and others to be poor.

I don't give any money to the poor, I only give money to my Church. Our pastor is a full time Pastor, he has four children with another one on the way, so our first priority is to make sure he has enough money to provide everything that his family needs to live a comfortable life.
As the old saying goes, charity starts at home. So all the left over money from our tithes and offerings goes to support our sister Churches, to help them grow and thrive.

 

[Christian Soldier]

Absolutely, it was beyond human reasoning. If I wasn't being carried along and led by the Spirit of God that day I would've questioned it too, just as you have.

But it was an experience I'll never forget. It was like no other. I hadn't heard anyone mention this before. It was absolutely amazing. An answer to some of my prayers.

My love for Those Who imagined, created and own everything that exists, including satan and his angels, has never stopped increasing since They revealed this extent of Their love, Their mercy and grace.

What do mean by this my friend?

A few of massive red flags here for me. The first is you have obviously never heard from God because He has been silent for the past 2000 years.

Secondly, you actually heard from a Demon who came to you as an Angel of light. So the message you got is a lie from the pits of hell and it's pure evil, because it tells you that God is a liar.

Gods said He is going to cast Satan and His Angels into th lake of fire to be tormented forever and ever without any hope of being released out of the lake. You can't accept that because you have been deceived by Satan.

God would never make friends with Satan or His Angels, because it would make Him just as evil as they are. God describes friendship with the world as fornication, this is not physical sex as some foolishly believe. It's spiritual fornication, where you abandon your morals and join the side of evil

 

[Christian Soldier]

So you believe that Jesus created all the planets, including earth? And Paul said the whole creation groans. Not just some but the whole (Greek word pas; all, any, every, the whole). So every planet of His creation groans, right down to planet earth including the bears and children you refered to.

Yes, so when John said 1000 years in his book he meant one thousand years. Not a fraction of it or more, but the whole 1000 years. And we don't want to add to or take away from any prophecy in his book.

If he be right, there could be some consequenses you may have to face. And they might not be pretty. But you may not believe all, the whole, everything what's written in his book.

Where did you get this ridiculous idea that there is life on other planets. The bible confirms that the earth is the only planet in the universe which has life, so you need to go back and learn the basics in the bible.

Secular astronomers have been trying to find any signs of life outside of the earth, for thousands of years and found nothing at all. Apart from that, God deliberately made it impossible for life to exist anywhere else in the universe. The entire universe is saturated in deadly radiation, the only pocket of safety is in our solar system.

The golden rule of studying scripture, is to make sure that everything we read lines up with every other passage that deals with the given subject. If there seem to be contradictions, it's a clear indication that the fault is with us and not the bible's reliability or authority.

Please have a look at this video, it presents all the evidence to support what I'm claiming here.

 

[One 2 question]

The bible only mentions 1000 years with regard to the millennial reign of Christ on the earth. I thought you would have picked up on that, I know the bible mentions 1000 years in other places but none of those refer to Christ's millennial reign.

I participated in a bible study on this subject. below is a summary of our study.

Of all the aspects of eschatology, the doctrine of the last things, perhaps none is more controversial than the millennium. Even in an era when many people do not devote much effort to studying theology, much time is spent trying to figure out the teaching on the millennium in Revelation 20:1–6.

The different millennial positions can be attributed in part to the highly symbolic nature of the language in Revelation. It can be difficult to know when to take the book figuratively and when to take it literally. Furthermore, Revelation 20:1–6 is the only passage in Scripture that deals with the millennial reign of Christ explicitly. Because the data is sparse, there is a greater propensity for divergence in interpretation because there is little else to directly confirm one’s view.

In the history of Christian theology, three major millennial views have been advocated. First is the premillennial view. This position holds that the one thousand years in Revelation should be read as an actual time designation, that when Christ returns He will reign over an earthly kingdom that will last for a literal one thousand years, after which the new heavens and earth will arrive.

The amillennial interpretation of Revelation 20 affirms a figurative view of the millennium. The entire period between the ascension and return of Christ is the millennium, which means that it is much longer than an actual one thousand years. Christ is ruling now over a spiritual kingdom that will be immediately consummated at His return, and the new heavens and earth will then be in place.

Finally, the postmillennial position agrees with amillennialism that the millennium will take place before the return of Jesus. However, postmillennialism holds that there will be a time of widespread peace and prosperity before Christ’s return that will result from the preaching of the gospel. Great numbers of people will be converted and society will be transformed, and then Jesus will return. This is different from amillennialism, which says things will mostly continue as they are until Christ returns, with the gospel spreading widely in some places and being resisted in others.

Good and godly Christians have differed over this matter, so it is difficult to hold any of these views too strongly. Whatever view one holds, what we must affirm is that Christ is ruling and reigning over the cosmos now. For He has been exalted to God’s right hand and must reign until all things are put under His feet (1 Cor. 15:25).

As you said, But why do people try to complicate what was written. 1000 years is 365 days (1 year) x one thousand.

 

[One 2 question]

Unlike yourself, I believe God controls every single aspect of His creation. This obviously includes which books He chose to include in the bible. If you believe God is not in control everything, then we will fundamentally disagree in all things.

I definatly know that my Creators are sovereign and do everything according to Their plans.

Satan's authority has been given to him by His Creator. They do what they do because God had a plan for him to do so. Therefore I have been moved many times to pray for him and his angels. Knowing that they are merely carrying out their Creators ordained, predetermined plan. All that they do is exactly as God has imagined and planned.

That is why God comforted me by revealing that Lucifer will be restored. And not only that but will be rewarded for playing the role of the villain.

This revelation was clear as day. And has been growing more and more since He gave it to me.

The 66 books of the bible are Gods choice, so if you have a problem with that, then your problem is with God and not me.

Is it a part of God's plan that there are multiple bibles with 73, 66, 81available with many translations? Absolutely. Is it God's plan that the Koran is available? Absolutely. And is it God's plan that all the other sacred writings of all the religions in the world are preserved? Absolutely. Let's include the Wiccan Bible for the Solitary Witch: Wiccan Prayers, Beliefs, and Practices. And that it is God's will that they sell for $13.94 in paperback.

Just because God caused these to exist does it mean they are beneficial to us?
Satan sure isn't.

 

[One 2 question]

Where did you get this ridiculous idea that there is life on other planets. The bible confirms that the earth is the only planet in the universe which has life, so you need to go back and learn the basics in the bible.

Did I say that there is life on other planets? I don't ever recall saying that. There could be but you might be right. There probably isn't any reference in the bibles.
But the planets themselves, which the Creators designed, made and named are in communication with their Creators just like us.
For the earnest expectation of the creature waiteth for the manifestation of the sons of God. For the creature was made subject to vanity, not willingly, but by reason of him who hath subjected the same in hope, Because the creature itself also shall be delivered from the bondage of corruption into the glorious liberty of the children of God. For we know that the whole creation groaneth and travaileth in pain together until now. And not only they, but ourselves also, which have the firstfruits of the Spirit, even we ourselves groan within ourselves, waiting for the adoption, to wit, the redemption of our body. Romans 8

Again, the whole creation, the heavens and the earth. We humans on planet included.

 

[One 2 question]

A few of massive red flags here for me. The first is you have obviously never heard from God because He has been silent for the past 2000 years.

Secondly, you actually heard from a Demon who came to you as an Angel of light. So the message you got is a lie from the pits of hell and it's pure evil, because it tells you that God is a liar.

Gods said He is going to cast Satan and His Angels into th lake of fire to be tormented forever and ever without any hope of being released out of the lake. You can't accept that because you have been deceived by Satan.

God would never make friends with Satan or His Angels, because it would make Him just as evil as they are. God describes friendship with the world as fornication, this is not physical sex as some foolishly believe. It's spiritual fornication, where you abandon your morals and join the side of evil

Well we will definatly find out soon enough. I'm glad I can honestly praise and worship my Creators for Their infinite love that will extend forever and to all.

If you want to stop the story of Their existence prematurely then go right ahead.

My God isn't a God Who is infinitely cruel and merciless but a God of infinate mercy and grace to all of Their creations.

The hope I have in Them has a better ending for both the Creators and Their creations than yours. You must agree.

 

[Christian Soldier]

As you said, But why do people try to complicate what was written. 1000 years is 365 days (1 year) x one thousand.

OK, so according to that logic, Jesus is made of wood because He said "I am the door" and He also taught cannibalism when He said "unless you eat my flesh and drink my blood".
Can you see the problem with that circular reasoning, I know it's a popular method used by many but as you can see it's fundamentally flawed.