Elect or Not Elect: Why ALL Should Be Alarmed

[FaithWillDo]

My Shepherd told me that what your trying to do here is, understand the mystery of how Gods saves His people. He said, the truth is nobody will ever understand the mystery of why God chose to save those He chose. And nobody will ever understand the mystery of how He saves His people.
God has hidden these things from us, so it's a futile exercise to try and solve the mystery.

I see you have used a lot of sticky tape to put a bunch of obscure verses together, in an attempt to try and create a doctrine to explain this great mystery.

The problem with doing that is two fold, 1. The mystery of salvation is not important at all, it has no baring on our walk with the Lord. It's His business alone and trying to look into His mystery is foolish. There is no benefit in trying to find out anything about the mystery for us. It results in deep confusion, so we should leave it well alone.

We are told to trust and obey, the last thing we should do is meddle in Gods business. None of your doctrine regarding salvation lines up with 2000 years of orthodox bible doctrine, which the Church Father taught. You always add your unbiblical words to the text and that's a major red flag.

Dear Christian Soldier,
You said:
I see you have used a lot of sticky tape to put a bunch of obscure verses together, in an attempt to try and create a doctrine to explain this great mystery.

The truth of God's Word is presented "here a little and there a little, line upon line and precept upon precept" (Isa 28:9-12). If you don't put "a bunch of obscure verses together", you will not be able to understand the truth of God. That is why I pull scripture from many places - it has to be done that way for the full truth to be revealed.

Psa 119:160 The sum of your word is truth, and every one of your righteous rules endures forever.

You said:
The problem with doing that is two fold, 1. The mystery of salvation is not important at all, it has no baring on our walk with the Lord. It's His business alone and trying to look into His mystery is foolish. There is no benefit in trying to find out anything about the mystery for us. It results in deep confusion, so we should leave it well alone.

Only those who are weaned from the breasts and have been converted are able to understand the mysteries taught in scripture. They are the converted Elect.

Those who are not converted (Early Rain only) will not be able to understand and accept those truths. This happens solely to satisfy the purposes of God. And because "babes" cannot understand the truth of the New Covenant teachings, they will fall prey to Satan.

Read Isa 28:9-12 again carefully because that is what it teaches:

Isa 28:9 Whom shall he teach knowledge? and whom shall he make to understand doctrine? them that are weaned from the milk, and drawn from the breasts. 10 For precept must be upon precept, precept upon precept; line upon line, line upon line; here a little, and there a little: 11 For with stammering lips and another language will he speak to this people. 12 But the word of the LORD was unto them precept upon precept, precept upon precept; line upon line, line upon line; here a little, and there a little; THAT THEY MIGHT GO, AND FALL BACKWARD, AND BE BROKEN, AND SNARED, AND TAKEN.

To understand the truth of Christ, you must be converted and become as a little child (no longer a babe who draws milk) and that requires both the Early and Latter Rains of the Spirit, followed by judgment.

Mat 18:3 And said, Verily I say unto you, Except ye be converted, and become as little children, ye shall not enter into the kingdom of heaven.

In this age, Christ is only converting the chosen Elect. They are the only ones who He is saving in this age. The rest of mankind will be saved "by fire" in the final age:

1Cor 3:13 Every man's work shall be made manifest: for the day shall declare it, because it shall be revealed by fire; and the fire shall try every man's work of what sort it is. 14 If any man's work abide which he hath built thereupon, he (the Elect) shall receive a reward (reigning with Christ in the final age). 15 If any man's work shall be burned, he shall suffer loss (no reward): but he himself shall be saved; yet so as by fire (the Lake of Fire).

If you believe this cannot be true because it doesn't seem fair, then you need remember that God's ways are not man's ways.

Read below how Paul addressed this issue of election to the church in Rome:

Rom 9:11 (For the children being not yet born, neither having done any good or evil, that the purpose of God according to election might stand, not of works, but of him that calleth;) 12 It was said unto her, The elder shall serve the younger. 13 As it is written, Jacob have I loved, but Esau have I hated. 14 What shall we say then? Is there unrighteousness with God? God forbid. 15 For he saith to Moses, I will have mercy on whom I will have mercy, and I will have compassion on whom I will have compassion. 16 So then it is not of him that willeth, nor of him that runneth, but of God that sheweth mercy.

By the end of the final age, all mankind will receive mercy from Christ. But for now in this age, Christ is only showing mercy to His Elect. Why? So "that the purpose of God according to election might stand". And what is His purpose? Paul answers that question in his letter to the Ephesians:

Eph 2:4 But God, who is rich in mercy, for his great love wherewith he loved us, 5 Even when we were dead in sins, hath quickened us together with Christ, (by grace ye are saved;) 6 And hath raised us up together, and made us sit together in heavenly places in Christ Jesus: 7 That in the age to come he might shew the exceeding riches of his grace in his kindness toward us through Christ Jesus.

You said:
We are told to trust and obey, the last thing we should do is meddle in Gods business. None of your doctrine regarding salvation lines up with 2000 years of orthodox bible doctrine, which the Church Father taught. You always add your unbiblical words to the text and that's a major red flag.

All of orthodox Christianity is APOSTATE and has been since end of the 1st century (Acts 20:29-31). You should not be looking at church history or their doctrines for your understanding. You should only be looking to God's Word. Your pastor has led you astray and you have both fallen into the bottomless pit where Satan dwells.

Mat 15:14 Leave them; they are blind guides. If the blind lead the blind, both will fall into a pit.”

It is a "red flag" to be following the "many" who have been called to be saints but have not been chosen. They have all been deceived by Satan and are following his ways and not the ways of Christ. Christ (God's Word) is "veiled" from them because they are carnal and spiritually blind. They are NOT converted and have not been baptized by the Spirit (Latter Rain/Spirit of Truth).

Mat 22:14 For many are called, but few are chosen.

You should be following the "few" who are chosen and have been shown the truth of God's Word. They are traveling the narrow pathway and not the wide one that the "many" travel.

I cannot make this point strong enough: You do not want to remain in the large group of "many". They will not be saved in this age.

Also, I do not add to scripture. The blue words that I insert in the verses are my comments which I have learned from other scripture (here a little and there a little). I place my comments in some verses to make those verses easier to understand. Scripture is what is written in red. I thought you understood that.

Joe

 

[Christian Soldier]

Dear Christian Soldier,
You are not understanding how Christ saves mankind. All mankind is "condemned already" (John 3:18) but before anyone perishes, Christ will have mercy upon them and give them faith (Mat 23:23). You are omitting mercy, faith and justice just as the Pharisees did.

Also, Christ's second coming is when He comes to give each of His Elect the Latter Rain. It is a reoccurring event and does not happen at the literal end of this age. After Christ give His Elect the Latter Rain, their spiritual blindness will be healed so that Christ can "appear" to them. After Christ appears, He will commence judgment (Day of the Lord). He will then remove all the things within the Elect believer that makes them carnal and sinful. Those are the things that are destroyed in the Lake of Fire. The new child of God is not judged but is gathered to heaven.

Christ will convert all mankind in this manner before they perish in the Lake of Fire. That is how He loves His enemies and blesses them. He blesses them with salvation and with a new spiritual nature governed by the Holy Spirit.

Joe

Dear Sir, I don't enjoy correcting you so please don't take my correction as me trying to outsmart you or somethin gh like that.

I love being corrected when I make errors, but the correction must be in accordance with what Gods Word says, and not by the opinions of men.

My bible doesn't have anything like "how Christ saves mankind", my bible says tat only the elect are saved and they're only a small minority of mankind.

All mankind is not condemned already, you just made that up. The bible never said any such thing. John 3:18 certainly doesn't says anything like that, you should read it before you misquote it.

Scribes and Phrases no longer exist, not sure why you bring them up, but in any case I don't follow their example if that's what you mean.

My bible tells me that Jesus is coming back as a Man of War to take vengeance on those who do knot know Him. There is no mention of some second chance or latter reign. All I have is horrific calamity upon the inhabitants of the earth and their blood will flow 5 feet high.
Then Jesus will cast all those who don't know Him into the lake of fire, and all of His people will inherit eternal paradise. absolutely nothing about second chances in my bible at all.

 

[FaithWillDo]

Dear Sir, I don't enjoy correcting you so please don't take my correction as me trying to outsmart you or somethin gh like that.

I love being corrected when I make errors, but the correction must be in accordance with what Gods Word says, and not by the opinions of men.

My bible doesn't have anything like "how Christ saves mankind", my bible says tat only the elect are saved and they're only a small minority of mankind.

All mankind is not condemned already, you just made that up. The bible never said any such thing. John 3:18 certainly doesn't says anything like that, you should read it before you misquote it.

Scribes and Phrases no longer exist, not sure why you bring them up, but in any case I don't follow their example if that's what you mean.

My bible tells me that Jesus is coming back as a Man of War to take vengeance on those who do knot know Him. There is no mention of some second chance or latter reign. All I have is horrific calamity upon the inhabitants of the earth and their blood will flow 5 feet high.
Then Jesus will cast all those who don't know Him into the lake of fire, and all of His people will inherit eternal paradise. absolutely nothing about second chances in my bible at all.

Dear Christian Soldier,
You said:
My bible doesn't have anything like "how Christ saves mankind", my bible says tat only the elect are saved and they're only a small minority of mankind.

Christ's teachings of the New Covenant are concealed from everyone but the converted Elect (those drawn from the breasts). After Christ has given one of His Elect the Latter Rain, their spiritual blindness will be healed and the "veil" of Christ will be removed. I have made this point many times and showed you the supporting scriptures.

Once a person has their spiritual blindness healed by Christ, the pathway to salvation will open up to their understanding. All the parables that start "the Kingdom of Heaven is like" are spiritual teachings on the pathway - but they only present a portion of the pathway. "A little here and a little there" applies to the parables.

Also, all the end-time prophecies are also teaching on the pathway to salvation - they are NOT teaching about supposed future world events that will happen at the end of this literal age. Those things will never happen. Christ "is, was and will be coming" back to His Elect. This is the second coming of Christ when He pours out the Latter Rain, heals the believer's blindness and then "appears". After the newly born child of God is spiritually gathered to heaven, the Day of the Lord will commence to purify the believer (remove the things that make them carnally minded).

As for the Elect, it is true that they are the only ones who will be saved in this age. They were chosen for this blessing from the foundation of the world to satisfy God's purposes. The Elect have done nothing to deserve this blessing. And it is true that the Elect are a "small minority" of mankind. In fact, they are a "small minority" of the "many" who are also called to be saints.

Look at how Paul addresses his letters to the churches. Paul makes the distinction between those who are "called to be saints" with those who are converted and have actually become saints:

Eph 1:1 Paul, an apostle of Jesus Christ by the will of God, to the saints which are at Ephesus, AND to the faithful in Christ Jesus:

The "saints" are the converted Elect. They have received both the Early and Latter Rains of the Spirit. The "faithful" are unconverted believers who have only received the Early Rain of the Spirit. The Early Rain is what gives them their faith while they wait for the Lord to return with the Latter Rain (if they are also chosen).

1Cor 1:2 Unto the church of God which is at Corinth, to them that are sanctified in Christ Jesus, called to be saints, with all that in every place call upon the name of Jesus Christ our Lord, both theirs and ours:

The Corinthian letter is only addressed to believers who are "called to be saints". They are part of the "many" who are waiting for the Lord to return. They are not converted.

Look at what Paul says a few verses later:

1Cor 1:6 Even as the testimony of Christ was confirmed in you: 7 So that ye come behind in no gift; waiting for the coming of our Lord Jesus Christ:

The Early Rain is what confirmed Christ's testimony in them and is what gave them their spiritual gifts. And as Paul says, they are waiting on the Lord to return.

Now look at verse 8:

1Cor 1:8 Who shall also confirm you unto the end, that ye may be blameless in the day of our Lord Jesus Christ.

The Corinthians are waiting to be confirmed "unto the end". The "end" comes upon a believer when Christ returns and pours out the Latter Rain. With the Latter Rain, the believer will be "blameless" when the judgment of the Day of the Lord commences (taught by the story of the woman taken in adultery, John 8:3-11). After the Elect believer's judgment is complete, they will be converted and saved. This is when those who are "called to be saints" actually become saints. It all happens within the lifetime of each Elect believer. That is why Christ's second coming is said to be "is, was and will be coming". Christ's coming is a reoccurring event when He brings salvation to those who are waiting for Him:

Heb 9:28 So Christ was sacrificed once to take away the sins of many; and he will appear a second time, not to bear sin, but to bring salvation to those who are waiting for him.

Rev 1:4 John to the seven churches which are in Asia: Grace be unto you, and peace, from him which is, and which was, and which is to come; and from the seven Spirits which are before his throne...

Rev 1:8 I am Alpha and Omega, the beginning and the ending, saith the Lord, which is, and which was, and which is to come, the Almighty.

Rev 4:8 And the four beasts had each of them six wings about him; and they were full of eyes within: and they rest not day and night, saying, Holy, holy, holy, Lord God Almighty, which was, and is, and is to come.

The conversion event is also when the "ends of the ages" come upon the Elect (the fulfillment of end-time prophecy within the Elect).

1Cor 10:11 Now all these things happened to them as types, and have been written for our admonition, upon whom the ends of the ages are come.

Here is another one of Paul's letters whom he addresses to those who are "called to be saints". They, like the Corinthians, are not converted:

Rom 1:7 To all that be in Rome, beloved of God, called to be saints: Grace to you and peace from God our Father, and the Lord Jesus Christ.

And this letter to the Colossians:

Col 1:2 To the saints (converted) and faithful brethren (not converted) in Christ which are at Colosse: Grace be unto you, and peace, from God our Father and the Lord Jesus Christ.

You said:
All mankind is not condemned already, you just made that up. The bible never said any such thing. John 3:18 certainly doesn't says anything like that, you should read it before you misquote it.

I never just make things up. I have scripture that teaches the truths that I present.

All mankind is "condemned already" because the penalty of Adam's sin was passed down to all his offspring and that penalty is death:

Eze 18:4 Behold, all souls are mine; as the soul of the father, so also the soul of the son is mine: the soul that sinneth, it shall die.

Rom 5:12 Wherefore, as by one man sin entered into the world, and death by sin; and so death passed upon all men, for that all have sinned:

Rom 5:18 so then as it was by one offence towards all men to condemnation, so by one righteousness towards all men for justification of life. 19 For as indeed by the disobedience of the one man the many have been constituted sinners, so also by the obedience of the one the many will be constituted righteous.

22 For as in Adam all die, even so in Christ shall all be made alive.

Because all mankind is "condemned already" by Adam's sin (not to mention a person's own sins), mankind must be converted from who we are (a child of the devil) into a child of God who is sinless and is not condemned.

1John 3:8 He that committeth sin is of the devil; for the devil sinneth from the beginning. For this purpose the Son of God was manifested, that he might destroy the works of the devil. 9 Whosoever is born of God doth not commit sin; for his seed remaineth in him: and he cannot sin, because he is born of God. 10 In this the children of God are manifest, and the children of the devil: whosoever doeth not righteousness is not of God, neither he that loveth not his brother.

A person must be converted from a child of the devil into a child of God to be saved. Conversion requires Christ to give a person the Early and Latter Rains of the Spirit, followed by His judgment (the Day of the Lord). Don't listen to anyone who says differently.

Joe

 

[Christian Soldier]

Dear Christian Soldier,
You said:
I see you have used a lot of sticky tape to put a bunch of obscure verses together, in an attempt to try and create a doctrine to explain this great mystery.

The truth of God's Word is presented "here a little and there a little, line upon line and precept upon precept" (Isa 28:9-12). If you don't put "a bunch of obscure verses together", you will not be able to understand the truth of God. That is why I pull scripture from many places - it has to be done that way for the full truth to be revealed.

Psa 119:160 The sum of your word is truth, and every one of your righteous rules endures forever.

You said:
The problem with doing that is two fold, 1. The mystery of salvation is not important at all, it has no baring on our walk with the Lord. It's His business alone and trying to look into His mystery is foolish. There is no benefit in trying to find out anything about the mystery for us. It results in deep confusion, so we should leave it well alone.

Only those who are weaned from the breasts and have been converted are able to understand the mysteries taught in scripture. They are the converted Elect.

Those who are not converted (Early Rain only) will not be able to understand and accept those truths. This happens solely to satisfy the purposes of God. And because "babes" cannot understand the truth of the New Covenant teachings, they will fall prey to Satan.

Read Isa 28:9-12 again carefully because that is what it teaches:

Isa 28:9 Whom shall he teach knowledge? and whom shall he make to understand doctrine? them that are weaned from the milk, and drawn from the breasts. 10 For precept must be upon precept, precept upon precept; line upon line, line upon line; here a little, and there a little: 11 For with stammering lips and another language will he speak to this people. 12 But the word of the LORD was unto them precept upon precept, precept upon precept; line upon line, line upon line; here a little, and there a little; THAT THEY MIGHT GO, AND FALL BACKWARD, AND BE BROKEN, AND SNARED, AND TAKEN.

To understand the truth of Christ, you must be converted and become as a little child (no longer a babe who draws milk) and that requires both the Early and Latter Rains of the Spirit, followed by judgment.

Mat 18:3 And said, Verily I say unto you, Except ye be converted, and become as little children, ye shall not enter into the kingdom of heaven.

In this age, Christ is only converting the chosen Elect. They are the only ones who He is saving in this age. The rest of mankind will be saved "by fire" in the final age:

1Cor 3:13 Every man's work shall be made manifest: for the day shall declare it, because it shall be revealed by fire; and the fire shall try every man's work of what sort it is. 14 If any man's work abide which he hath built thereupon, he (the Elect) shall receive a reward (reigning with Christ in the final age). 15 If any man's work shall be burned, he shall suffer loss (no reward): but he himself shall be saved; yet so as by fire (the Lake of Fire).

If you believe this cannot be true because it doesn't seem fair, then you need remember that God's ways are not man's ways.

Read below how Paul addressed this issue of election to the church in Rome:

Rom 9:11 (For the children being not yet born, neither having done any good or evil, that the purpose of God according to election might stand, not of works, but of him that calleth;) 12 It was said unto her, The elder shall serve the younger. 13 As it is written, Jacob have I loved, but Esau have I hated. 14 What shall we say then? Is there unrighteousness with God? God forbid. 15 For he saith to Moses, I will have mercy on whom I will have mercy, and I will have compassion on whom I will have compassion. 16 So then it is not of him that willeth, nor of him that runneth, but of God that sheweth mercy.

By the end of the final age, all mankind will receive mercy from Christ. But for now in this age, Christ is only showing mercy to His Elect. Why? So "that the purpose of God according to election might stand". And what is His purpose? Paul answers that question in his letter to the Ephesians:

Eph 2:4 But God, who is rich in mercy, for his great love wherewith he loved us, 5 Even when we were dead in sins, hath quickened us together with Christ, (by grace ye are saved;) 6 And hath raised us up together, and made us sit together in heavenly places in Christ Jesus: 7 That in the age to come he might shew the exceeding riches of his grace in his kindness toward us through Christ Jesus.

You said:
We are told to trust and obey, the last thing we should do is meddle in Gods business. None of your doctrine regarding salvation lines up with 2000 years of orthodox bible doctrine, which the Church Father taught. You always add your unbiblical words to the text and that's a major red flag.

All of orthodox Christianity is APOSTATE and has been since end of the 1st century (Acts 20:29-31). You should not be looking at church history or their doctrines for your understanding. You should only be looking to God's Word. Your pastor has led you astray and you have both fallen into the bottomless pit where Satan dwells.

Mat 15:14 Leave them; they are blind guides. If the blind lead the blind, both will fall into a pit.”

It is a "red flag" to be following the "many" who have been called to be saints but have not been chosen. They have all been deceived by Satan and are following his ways and not the ways of Christ. Christ (God's Word) is "veiled" from them because they are carnal and spiritually blind. They are NOT converted and have not been baptized by the Spirit (Latter Rain/Spirit of Truth).

Mat 22:14 For many are called, but few are chosen.

You should be following the "few" who are chosen and have been shown the truth of God's Word. They are traveling the narrow pathway and not the wide one that the "many" travel.

I cannot make this point strong enough: You do not want to remain in the large group of "many". They will not be saved in this age.

Also, I do not add to scripture. The blue words that I insert in the verses are my comments which I have learned from other scripture (here a little and there a little). I place my comments in some verses to make those verses easier to understand. Scripture is what is written in red. I thought you understood that.

Joe

Where do you find all of these different ages in the Bible, I only read about this age and the age to come. The bible says that it is appointed onto man to die once then the judgement. There is absolutely nothing to suggest that there will be other ages, where the lake of fire burns out and all those in it are saved.

you use unrelated obscure scriptures to comprise a very strange doctrine which doesn't stand up when compared to orthodox bible doctrine. Your suggestion that the vast majority of Theologians and Bible Scholars have got it all wrong and only a very few have cracked the code of scripture and found out the truth. This is very arrogant and disrespectful to all of the Church Fathers of the past 2000 years.

Your saying the vast majority of the go it wrong, but you and a few others got it right. This is exactly what every Sect, Cult and False Religion Teacher claims. From my point of view, the opposite is true. The majority has got it right and the minority is in the minority because it has it all wrong.

The bible says "a little levin spoils the whole loaf". That's what I see has happened to your theology, someone has sprinkled some levin on your doctrine and messed up your entire dctrine.

 

[Christian Soldier]

Dear Christian Soldier,
You said:
My bible doesn't have anything like "how Christ saves mankind", my bible says tat only the elect are saved and they're only a small minority of mankind.

Christ's teachings of the New Covenant are concealed from everyone but the converted Elect (those drawn from the breasts). After Christ has given one of His Elect the Latter Rain, their spiritual blindness will be healed and the "veil" of Christ will be removed. I have made this point many times and showed you the supporting scriptures.

Once a person has their spiritual blindness healed by Christ, the pathway to salvation will open up to their understanding. All the parables that start "the Kingdom of Heaven is like" are spiritual teachings on the pathway - but they only present a portion of the pathway. "A little here and a little there" applies to the parables.

Also, all the end-time prophecies are also teaching on the pathway to salvation - they are NOT teaching about supposed future world events that will happen at the end of this literal age. Those things will never happen. Christ "is, was and will be coming" back to His Elect. This is the second coming of Christ when He pours out the Latter Rain, heals the believer's blindness and then "appears". After the newly born child of God is spiritually gathered to heaven, the Day of the Lord will commence to purify the believer (remove the things that make them carnally minded).

As for the Elect, it is true that they are the only ones who will be saved in this age. They were chosen for this blessing from the foundation of the world to satisfy God's purposes. The Elect have done nothing to deserve this blessing. And it is true that the Elect are a "small minority" of mankind. In fact, they are a "small minority" of the "many" who are also called to be saints.

Look at how Paul addresses his letters to the churches. Paul makes the distinction between those who are "called to be saints" with those who are converted and have actually become saints:

Eph 1:1 Paul, an apostle of Jesus Christ by the will of God, to the saints which are at Ephesus, AND to the faithful in Christ Jesus:

The "saints" are the converted Elect. They have received both the Early and Latter Rains of the Spirit. The "faithful" are unconverted believers who have only received the Early Rain of the Spirit. The Early Rain is what gives them their faith while they wait for the Lord to return with the Latter Rain (if they are also chosen).

1Cor 1:2 Unto the church of God which is at Corinth, to them that are sanctified in Christ Jesus, called to be saints, with all that in every place call upon the name of Jesus Christ our Lord, both theirs and ours:

The Corinthian letter is only addressed to believers who are "called to be saints". They are part of the "many" who are waiting for the Lord to return. They are not converted.

Look at what Paul says a few verses later:

1Cor 1:6 Even as the testimony of Christ was confirmed in you: 7 So that ye come behind in no gift; waiting for the coming of our Lord Jesus Christ:

The Early Rain is what confirmed Christ's testimony in them and is what gave them their spiritual gifts. And as Paul says, they are waiting on the Lord to return.

Now look at verse 8:

1Cor 1:8 Who shall also confirm you unto the end, that ye may be blameless in the day of our Lord Jesus Christ.

The Corinthians are waiting to be confirmed "unto the end". The "end" comes upon a believer when Christ returns and pours out the Latter Rain. With the Latter Rain, the believer will be "blameless" when the judgment of the Day of the Lord commences (taught by the story of the woman taken in adultery, John 8:3-11). After the Elect believer's judgment is complete, they will be converted and saved. This is when those who are "called to be saints" actually become saints. It all happens within the lifetime of each Elect believer. That is why Christ's second coming is said to be "is, was and will be coming". Christ's coming is a reoccurring event when He brings salvation to those who are waiting for Him:

Heb 9:28 So Christ was sacrificed once to take away the sins of many; and he will appear a second time, not to bear sin, but to bring salvation to those who are waiting for him.

Rev 1:4 John to the seven churches which are in Asia: Grace be unto you, and peace, from him which is, and which was, and which is to come; and from the seven Spirits which are before his throne...

Rev 1:8 I am Alpha and Omega, the beginning and the ending, saith the Lord, which is, and which was, and which is to come, the Almighty.

Rev 4:8 And the four beasts had each of them six wings about him; and they were full of eyes within: and they rest not day and night, saying, Holy, holy, holy, Lord God Almighty, which was, and is, and is to come.

The conversion event is also when the "ends of the ages" come upon the Elect (the fulfillment of end-time prophecy within the Elect).

1Cor 10:11 Now all these things happened to them as types, and have been written for our admonition, upon whom the ends of the ages are come.

Here is another one of Paul's letters whom he addresses to those who are "called to be saints". They, like the Corinthians, are not converted:

Rom 1:7 To all that be in Rome, beloved of God, called to be saints: Grace to you and peace from God our Father, and the Lord Jesus Christ.

And this letter to the Colossians:

Col 1:2 To the saints (converted) and faithful brethren (not converted) in Christ which are at Colosse: Grace be unto you, and peace, from God our Father and the Lord Jesus Christ.

You said:
All mankind is not condemned already, you just made that up. The bible never said any such thing. John 3:18 certainly doesn't says anything like that, you should read it before you misquote it.

I never just make things up. I have scripture that teaches the truths that I present.

All mankind is "condemned already" because the penalty of Adam's sin was passed down to all his offspring and that penalty is death:

Eze 18:4 Behold, all souls are mine; as the soul of the father, so also the soul of the son is mine: the soul that sinneth, it shall die.

Rom 5:12 Wherefore, as by one man sin entered into the world, and death by sin; and so death passed upon all men, for that all have sinned:

Rom 5:18 so then as it was by one offence towards all men to condemnation, so by one righteousness towards all men for justification of life. 19 For as indeed by the disobedience of the one man the many have been constituted sinners, so also by the obedience of the one the many will be constituted righteous.

22 For as in Adam all die, even so in Christ shall all be made alive.

Because all mankind is "condemned already" by Adam's sin (not to mention a person's own sins), mankind must be converted from who we are (a child of the devil) into a child of God who is sinless and is not condemned.

1John 3:8 He that committeth sin is of the devil; for the devil sinneth from the beginning. For this purpose the Son of God was manifested, that he might destroy the works of the devil. 9 Whosoever is born of God doth not commit sin; for his seed remaineth in him: and he cannot sin, because he is born of God. 10 In this the children of God are manifest, and the children of the devil: whosoever doeth not righteousness is not of God, neither he that loveth not his brother.

A person must be converted from a child of the devil into a child of God to be saved. Conversion requires Christ to give a person the Early and Latter Rains of the Spirit, followed by His judgment (the Day of the Lord). Don't listen to anyone who says differently.

Joe

Some of what you say is in perfect harmony with what the scriptures teach. You say that only the elect will be saved, but then you follow that with an unbiblical and untrue statement like "in this age". The bible says today is the day of salvation, not in some future age nonsense.
It also says it is appointed for a man to die once and then the judgement, there is no other judgement after that one.

Conversion doesn't require anything apart from Gods grace, I don't listen to anyone who says otherwise and you have done just that my friend. I will not be judged on the day of the Lord, because my sin has all been paid for in full. That includes every past, present and future sin.

I must reject any teaching that contradicts what God said and promised

 

[FaithWillDo]

Some of what you say is in perfect harmony with what the scriptures teach. You say that only the elect will be saved, but then you follow that with an unbiblical and untrue statement like "in this age". The bible says today is the day of salvation, not in some future age nonsense.
It also says it is appointed for a man to die once and then the judgement, there is no other judgement after that one.

Conversion doesn't require anything apart from Gods grace, I don't listen to anyone who says otherwise and you have done just that my friend. I will not be judged on the day of the Lord, because my sin has all been paid for in full. That includes every past, present and future sin.

I must reject any teaching that contradicts what God said and promised

Dear Christian Soldier,
I have presented you the scriptures. There is nothing more I can do.
Joe

 

[FaithWillDo]

Where do you find all of these different ages in the Bible, I only read about this age and the age to come. The bible says that it is appointed onto man to die once then the judgement. There is absolutely nothing to suggest that there will be other ages, where the lake of fire burns out and all those in it are saved.

you use unrelated obscure scriptures to comprise a very strange doctrine which doesn't stand up when compared to orthodox bible doctrine. Your suggestion that the vast majority of Theologians and Bible Scholars have got it all wrong and only a very few have cracked the code of scripture and found out the truth. This is very arrogant and disrespectful to all of the Church Fathers of the past 2000 years.

Your saying the vast majority of the go it wrong, but you and a few others got it right. This is exactly what every Sect, Cult and False Religion Teacher claims. From my point of view, the opposite is true. The majority has got it right and the minority is in the minority because it has it all wrong.

The bible says "a little levin spoils the whole loaf". That's what I see has happened to your theology, someone has sprinkled some levin on your doctrine and messed up your entire dctrine.

Dear Christian Soldier,
You said:
Where do you find all of these different ages in the Bible, I only read about this age and the age to come.

I have only said that there is only one more age to come. I call that age the "final age" or sometimes the "Lake of Fire age". I have no idea why you believe I have said anything different. You need to read my posts more carefully.

You said:
Your saying the vast majority of the got it wrong, but you and a few others got it right.

Scripture says that only converted Elect believers can understand the spiritual teachings of Christ. They are few in number. The "many" who have not been converted are "babes" who can only draw milk (Christ and Him crucified). They have almost no ability to understand the spiritual teachings of Christ. Because they can't understand, they will "fall backward, be broken, and snared and taken" (Isa 28:9-12, Mat 12:43-45). That is what scripture teaches and is what I have experienced myself prior to my conversion. I have shown you the verses but you reject what they teach.

Also, leavened bread will be consumed by all new believers (babes) after they have been given the Early Rain of the Spirit. It is a step on the pathway to salvation.

As I have been presenting you, the pathway to salvation that the Elect will travel goes through the apostate church. The Latter Rain of the Spirit is what pulls them out. That truth is taught over and over again in scripture.

I was converted in 2005. It was then that my understanding of scripture changed. Before that time, my beliefs were not much different than yours.

This verse below applies to the change that occurs in an Elect believer's understanding after they have received the Latter Rain of the Spirit:

1Cor 13:11 When I was a babe, I spake as a babe, I understood as a babe, I thought as a babe: but when I became a man, I put away the things of babes.

I don't see any reason to continue this discussion since you do not show any "signs" that Christ is in the process of healing your blindness. Until that day arrives for you, there is nothing I can do to help you understand.

Joe

 

[Christian Soldier]

Dear Christian Soldier,
I have presented you the scriptures. There is nothing more I can do.
Joe

You have presented many scriptures, but none of them support your doctrine

 

[Christian Soldier]

Dear Christian Soldier,
You said:
Where do you find all of these different ages in the Bible, I only read about this age and the age to come.

I have only said that there is only one more age to come. I call that age the "final age" or sometimes the "Lake of Fire age". I have no idea why you believe I have said anything different. You need to read my posts more carefully.

You said:
Your saying the vast majority of the got it wrong, but you and a few others got it right.

Scripture says that only converted Elect believers can understand the spiritual teachings of Christ. They are few in number. The "many" who have not been converted are "babes" who can only draw milk (Christ and Him crucified). They have almost no ability to understand the spiritual teachings of Christ. Because they can't understand, they will "fall backward, be broken, and snared and taken" (Isa 28:9-12, Mat 12:43-45). That is what scripture teaches and is what I have experienced myself prior to my conversion. I have shown you the verses but you reject what they teach.

Also, leavened bread will be consumed by all new believers (babes) after they have been given the Early Rain of the Spirit. It is a step on the pathway to salvation.

As I have been presenting you, the pathway to salvation that the Elect will travel goes through the apostate church. The Latter Rain of the Spirit is what pulls them out. That truth is taught over and over again in scripture.

I was converted in 2005. It was then that my understanding of scripture changed. Before that time, my beliefs were not much different than yours.

This verse below applies to the change that occurs in an Elect believer's understanding after they have received the Latter Rain of the Spirit:

1Cor 13:11 When I was a babe, I spake as a babe, I understood as a babe, I thought as a babe: but when I became a man, I put away the things of babes.

I don't see any reason to continue this discussion since you do not show any "signs" that Christ is in the process of healing your blindness. Until that day arrives for you, there is nothing I can do to help you understand.

Joe

Thanks for your concern Joe, but let me assure you that I don't need help to understand. As an Elect saint of God, I have been given the gift of the Holy Spirits guidance and faith and discernment.

I'm already saved and I have already inherited eternal life, so it's not a case of me searching for a way to be saved. I never searched for God, I hated Him and didn't want anything to do with Him. I was His enemy, but He converted me and gave me a new heart and soul.

So it's impossible to deceive me, I have the seal of God on my forehead and nothing can change that or threaten my status as an Elect saint of God. I don't need to hope for salvation in some future time.

You say there is only one more age to come, in which those in hell will be saved after they serve their time. As I mentioned earlier, you start sentences with sound doctrine and then add your own private opinion towards the end and mess up the whole doctrine.

 

[FaithWillDo]

Thanks for your concern Joe, but let me assure you that I don't need help to understand. As an Elect saint of God, I have been given the gift of the Holy Spirits guidance and faith and discernment.

I'm already saved and I have already inherited eternal life, so it's not a case of me searching for a way to be saved. I never searched for God, I hated Him and didn't want anything to do with Him. I was His enemy, but He converted me and gave me a new heart and soul.

So it's impossible to deceive me, I have the seal of God on my forehead and nothing can change that or threaten my status as an Elect saint of God. I don't need to hope for salvation in some future time.

You say there is only one more age to come, in which those in hell will be saved after they serve their time. As I mentioned earlier, you start sentences with sound doctrine and then add your own private opinion towards the end and mess up the whole doctrine.

Dear Christian Soldier,
You said:
You say there is only one more age to come, in which those in hell will be saved after they serve their time. As I mentioned earlier, you start sentences with sound doctrine and then add your own private opinion towards the end and mess up the whole doctrine.

I believe the scriptures below. They are not difficult to understand, but they do require faith in Christ to believe them.

Luke 12:59 I tell you, you will not get out until you have paid the last penny.”

Mat 21:31 Which of the two was obeying his father?" They replied, "The first, of course." Then Jesus explained his meaning: "I assure you, corrupt tax collectors and prostitutes will get into the Kingdom of God before you do.

1Cor 13:8 Love never fails;

1Tim 2:3 For this is good and acceptable in the sight of God our Savior; 4 who will have all men to be saved, and to come unto the knowledge of the truth. 5 For there is one God, and one mediator between God and men, the man Christ Jesus; 6 who gave himself a ransom for all, to be testified in due time.

Rom 5:15 But shall not the act of favour be as the offence? For if by the offence of one the many have died, much rather has the grace of God, and the free gift in grace, which is by the one man Jesus Christ, abounded unto the many.

Rom 5:18 so then as it was by one offence towards all men to condemnation, so by one righteousness towards all men for justification of life. 19 For as indeed by the disobedience of the one man the many have been constituted sinners, so also by the obedience of the one the many will be constituted righteous.

1Cor 15: 22 For as in Adam all die, even so in Christ shall all be made alive. 23 But every man in his own order...

The First Fruits of Christ's harvest of mankind is being gathered into the Kingdom of Heaven in this age. They are the Elect.

James 1:18 Of his own will begat he us with the word of truth, that we should be a kind of firstfruits of his creatures.

Exo 34:22 And thou shalt observe the feast of weeks, of the firstfruits of wheat harvest, AND the feast of ingathering at the year's end.

The main harvest of mankind will occur at the end of the harvest season which occurs at "year's end". This occurs at the end of the final age when Christ and His Elect will make this call to those who are being judged in the Lake of Fire:

John 7:37 In the last day, that great day of the feast (Feast of Ingathering), Jesus stood and cried, saying, if any man thirst, let him come unto me, and drink. 38 He that believeth on me, as the scripture hath said, out of his belly shall flow rivers of living water.

Rev 22:17 And the Spirit and the bride say, Come. And let him that heareth say, Come. And let him that is athirst come. And whosoever will, let him take the water of life freely.

Here is one more scripture you that should believe:

1Tim 4:10 For therefore we both labor and suffer reproach, because we trust in the living God, who is the Savior of all men, specially of those that believe. 11 These things command and teach.

Christ will save all mankind. It is a certainty. This truth is what I command and teach.

In the end, Christ will not fail in the mission that His Father gave Him to complete. If Christ even fails to save one person, it would be a sin (missing the mark).

1John 4:14 And we have seen and do testify that the Father sent the Son to be the Savior of the world.

After the last person of mankind has been saved in the final age, Christ's mission will be accomplished and it will give glory to His Father:

Phi 2:10 That at the name of Jesus every knee shall bow, of things in heaven, and things in earth, and things under the earth; 11 and that every tongue shall confess that Jesus Christ is Lord, to the glory of God the Father.

Where is your faith to believe what Christ has stated in the scriptures? Have you any faith at all?

Joe

 

[Christian Soldier]

Dear Christian Soldier,
You said:
You say there is only one more age to come, in which those in hell will be saved after they serve their time. As I mentioned earlier, you start sentences with sound doctrine and then add your own private opinion towards the end and mess up the whole doctrine.

I believe the scriptures below. They are not difficult to understand, but they do require faith in Christ to believe them.

Luke 12:59 I tell you, you will not get out until you have paid the last penny.”

Mat 21:31 Which of the two was obeying his father?" They replied, "The first, of course." Then Jesus explained his meaning: "I assure you, corrupt tax collectors and prostitutes will get into the Kingdom of God before you do.

1Cor 13:8 Love never fails;

1Tim 2:3 For this is good and acceptable in the sight of God our Savior; 4 who will have all men to be saved, and to come unto the knowledge of the truth. 5 For there is one God, and one mediator between God and men, the man Christ Jesus; 6 who gave himself a ransom for all, to be testified in due time.

Rom 5:15 But shall not the act of favour be as the offence? For if by the offence of one the many have died, much rather has the grace of God, and the free gift in grace, which is by the one man Jesus Christ, abounded unto the many.

Rom 5:18 so then as it was by one offence towards all men to condemnation, so by one righteousness towards all men for justification of life. 19 For as indeed by the disobedience of the one man the many have been constituted sinners, so also by the obedience of the one the many will be constituted righteous.

1Cor 15: 22 For as in Adam all die, even so in Christ shall all be made alive. 23 But every man in his own order...

The First Fruits of Christ's harvest of mankind is being gathered into the Kingdom of Heaven in this age. They are the Elect.

James 1:18 Of his own will begat he us with the word of truth, that we should be a kind of firstfruits of his creatures.

Exo 34:22 And thou shalt observe the feast of weeks, of the firstfruits of wheat harvest, AND the feast of ingathering at the year's end.

The main harvest of mankind will occur at the end of the harvest season which occurs at "year's end". This occurs at the end of the final age when Christ and His Elect will make this call to those who are being judged in the Lake of Fire:

John 7:37 In the last day, that great day of the feast (Feast of Ingathering), Jesus stood and cried, saying, if any man thirst, let him come unto me, and drink. 38 He that believeth on me, as the scripture hath said, out of his belly shall flow rivers of living water.

Rev 22:17 And the Spirit and the bride say, Come. And let him that heareth say, Come. And let him that is athirst come. And whosoever will, let him take the water of life freely.

Here is one more scripture you that should believe:

1Tim 4:10 For therefore we both labor and suffer reproach, because we trust in the living God, who is the Savior of all men, specially of those that believe. 11 These things command and teach.

Christ will save all mankind. It is a certainty. This truth is what I command and teach.

In the end, Christ will not fail in the mission that His Father gave Him to complete. If Christ even fails to save one person, it would be a sin (missing the mark).

1John 4:14 And we have seen and do testify that the Father sent the Son to be the Savior of the world.

After the last person of mankind has been saved in the final age, Christ's mission will be accomplished and it will give glory to His Father:

Phi 2:10 That at the name of Jesus every knee shall bow, of things in heaven, and things in earth, and things under the earth; 11 and that every tongue shall confess that Jesus Christ is Lord, to the glory of God the Father.

Where is your faith to believe what Christ has stated in the scriptures? Have you any faith at all?

Joe

I believe every Word that proceeds from the mouth of God, but I don't believe your interpretation of His Word and don't see any of those verses saying that all of mankind will be saved. You add what you think God should have said to His Word. And that is punishable be eternity in the lake of fire.

I carefully considered all those verses, to see if any of them even hint at what you believe and found there's not even a vague suggestion in them to support your doctrine. That leaves me no other option, then to conclude that you have come under strong Demonic deception.

 

[One 2 question]

I believe every Word that proceeds from the mouth of God, but I don't believe your interpretation of His Word and don't see any of those verses saying that all of mankind will be saved. You add what you think God should have said to His Word. And that is punishable be eternity in the lake of fire.

Have you got access to EVERY word that proceeds from God's mouth?
What does that entail? Has anyone always been with God to hear every word He has spoken? Not even Jesus has, as He left the Father's side to come to earth for 30 plus years. Gabriel may have heard a lot, but he wouldn't have heard what proceeded out of God's mouth prior to his creation.

The only other being that I can think of was God's Spirit. I'm thinking that He may be able to be in heaven with God and down here within us.

As God is overseeing the affairs of His creations, I'm fairly sure there are plenty of words proceeding out of the mouth of God to this moment in time. Speaking to Jesus, to His Spirit, to angels, to humans.

You make out that every word has already proceeded from God's mouth. That He has stopped speaking. That God has gone mute. Am I understanding you correctly?

I carefully considered all those verses, to see if any of them even hint at what you believe and found there's not even a vague suggestion in them to support your doctrine. That leaves me no other option, then to conclude that you have come under strong Demonic deception.

Just for the sake of clarification, your statement, I have considered all those verses, are you refering to the bible?

And when you said a couple of times, His Word, are you refering to the limited portion of documented words of God in the bible or every word that proceeds from His mouth?

 

[Christian Soldier]

Have you got access to EVERY word that proceeds from God's mouth?
What does that entail? Has anyone always been with God to hear every word He has spoken? Not even Jesus has, as He left the Father's side to come to earth for 30 plus years. Gabriel may have heard a lot, but he wouldn't have heard what proceeded out of God's mouth prior to his creation.

The only other being that I can think of was God's Spirit. I'm thinking that He may be able to be in heaven with God and down here within us.

As God is overseeing the affairs of His creations, I'm fairly sure there are plenty of words proceeding out of the mouth of God to this moment in time. Speaking to Jesus, to His Spirit, to angels, to humans.

You make out that every word has already proceeded from God's mouth. That He has stopped speaking. That God has gone mute. Am I understanding you correctly?

Just for the sake of clarification, your statement, I have considered all those verses, are you refering to the bible?

And when you said a couple of times, His Word, are you refering to the limited portion of documented words of God in the bible or every word that proceeds from His mouth?

Yes I have every Word that God spoke, recorded for me in the bible. I don't care about what He said outside of the Bible, that's none of my business and I wouldn't dare stick my nose into where He warned me to keep away from.

I'm extremely glad to be ignorant of all those things God has hidden from me. I don't want to know hose things and I rebuke anyone who tried to tell me they know something outside of what He said in the bible. My Shepherd told us that those who attempt to get into the hidden things are the children of the Devil.

So with all due respect, must believe my Shepherd and consider you to be a child of the Devil. Nothing personal intended here, this goes for 95% of Christians who believe they talk to Jesus and receive new revelation.

Yes you are understanding me correctly, I know for a fact that God has not spoken a single word to any man for the past 2000 years and I will give my house to anyone who can provide a single shred of evidence to show that He has.

All we have to work with is the same old Bible that every generation has had for the past 2000 years. We don't have anything more than those of the first century had, so yeah please show me something if you want a free house in Sydney.

 

[FaithWillDo]

I believe every Word that proceeds from the mouth of God, but I don't believe your interpretation of His Word and don't see any of those verses saying that all of mankind will be saved. You add what you think God should have said to His Word. And that is punishable be eternity in the lake of fire.

I carefully considered all those verses, to see if any of them even hint at what you believe and found there's not even a vague suggestion in them to support your doctrine. That leaves me no other option, then to conclude that you have come under strong Demonic deception.

Dear Christian Soldier,
There is nothing more I can do to help you see the true Christ.

This will be my last post to you on this thread.

Joe

 

[Christian Soldier]

Dear Christian Soldier,
There is nothing more I can do to help you see the true Christ.

This will be my last post to you on this thread.

Joe

OK Joe, I do appreciate your effort in explaining your view and reason for holding to your theology. I have carefully considered everything you have said, but I have a different view and I hold to a different theology.

My Pastor told me that people can make the bible say whatever they want it to say, because God deliberately wrote it in a way that it will be misunderstood by everyone except for His elect.

 

[One 2 question]

T

Yes I have every Word that God spoke, recorded for me in the bible.

So is that the bible which contains 73 books? Or the bible which had 8 books added to it. Or is it the bible which had 7 books removed?

I don't care about what He said outside of the Bible, that's none of my business and I wouldn't dare stick my nose into where He warned me to keep away from.

When did the Shepherd tell you this? What was the actual warning He gave you?

I'm extremely glad to be ignorant of all those things God has hidden from me. I don't want to know hose things and I rebuke anyone who tried to tell me they know something outside of what He said in the bible.

which bible? Why would you rebuke us for receiving what God freely gives us? You may want to rebuke God for His gifts of revelation that are outside the extremly limited resources within the covers of the 81 book bible. Maybe the most extensive of all the bibles.

If you want to remain ignorant then fine. But as for many of us we will gladly receive good gifts that come from above.

My Shepherd told us that those who attempt to get into the hidden things are the children of the Devil.

Again, when did He tell you that?

So with all due respect, must believe my Shepherd and consider you to be a child of the Devil. Nothing personal intended here, this goes for 95% of Christians who believe they talk to Jesus and receive new revelation.

That's OK. Jesus is used to being refered to as being of the devil. Those who follow after Him will be called such things as well.

Yes you are understanding me correctly, I know for a fact that God has not spoken a single word to any man for the past 2000 years and I will give my house to anyone who can provide a single shred of evidence to show that He has.

How would one attempt to do this? Are there parameters? I guess any information provided or used has to come from the bible. Would they have to be direct quotes and what translation or a paraphrase of the bible? Is an expounding of a biblical text quality? Which bible, the 81, 66 or 73 book bible? If I'm a woman, do I need to wear a head covering when carry out this task? So many unknowns. So many questions.

All we have to work with is the same old Bible that every generation has had for the past 2000 years. We don't have anything more than those of the first century had, so yeah please show me something if you want a free house in Sydney.

That's quite an offer. If God asked you to give your house to a poor person, would you?

 

[Christian Soldier]

T

So is that the bible which contains 73 books? Or the bible which had 8 books added to it. Or is it the bible which had 7 books removed?

When did the Shepherd tell you this? What was the actual warning He gave you?

which bible? Why would you rebuke us for receiving what God freely gives us? You may want to rebuke God for His gifts of revelation that are outside the extremly limited resources within the covers of the 81 book bible. Maybe the most extensive of all the bibles.

If you want to remain ignorant then fine. But as for many of us we will gladly receive good gifts that come from above.

Again, when did He tell you that?

That's OK. Jesus is used to being refered to as being of the devil. Those who follow after Him will be called such things as well.


How would one attempt to do this? Are there parameters? I guess any information provided or used has to come from the bible. Would they have to be direct quotes and what translation or a paraphrase of the bible? Is an expounding of a biblical text quality? Which bible, the 81, 66 or 73 book bible? If I'm a woman, do I need to wear a head covering when carry out this task? So many unknowns. So many questions.

That's quite an offer. If God asked you to give your house to a poor person, would you?

No, I don't bother with those fake bibles. I only believe the "Holy Bible", because it alone contains God's Word from cover to cover.

Our Shepherd preached a sermon a few months back, where he warned us about people who claim to have some new revelation or that they heard God speak to them or anyone who claims that God gave any other revelation outside of the the bible. He made it clear that such people are the children of the Devil because He is the Father of lies.

I rebuke anyone who claims that God gave them gifts or any revelation that is outside of the bible, because this would make God a liar if it was true and we know God doesn't lie.

The Holy Bible contains 66 books, only the elect of God will understand the scriptures in their intended context. They are foolishness to those who are perishing, so if you see someone holding to false doctrine you know why.

God would never ask me to do a silly thing like give my house to the poor, so of 'course I wouldn't. God said you will always have the poor, and that was a promise. We see there are poor people in every country and that's the way God decreed it to be, so why would I give my house to them when God preordained them to be poor. I don't want to go against His order of things. He blessed me with a good measure of wealth, so I would be foolish to give it away and join the poor when it wasn't Gods plan for me.

God doesn't have personal relationships and He doesn't give individuals any gifts. The only relationship we can have with Him is by studying His Word as we have it in the 2000 year old bible and ponder and study what He said thousands of years ago. Since He hasn't spoken a word to anyone or had any contact with any person for the past 2000 years.

So the revelations and gifts you claim to have received from God are actually Satan's counterfeit, versions. OR Shepherd told us that Satan always mimic everything God did, but He adds poison to it so those who receive His poison are like rats taking the bait. Once they eat the poison, their fate is sealed.

 

[One 2 question]

No, I don't bother with those fake bibles. I only believe the "Holy Bible", because it alone contains God's Word from cover to cover.

What do you mean by 'God's Word'?

Our Shepherd preached a sermon a few months back, where he warned us about people who claim to have some new revelation or that they heard God speak to them or anyone who claims that God gave any other revelation outside of the the bible. He made it clear that such people are the children of the Devil because He is the Father of lies.

Interesting conclusion

I rebuke anyone who claims that God gave them gifts or any revelation that is outside of the bible, because this would make God a liar if it was true and we know God doesn't lie.

In what way does it make our God a liar? Is God not allowed to give gifts, talents, abilities, functions, roles to His Son's body throughout its life that's now 2000 years old?

So are we left to grow, advance, defend, provide on our own?

Has Jesus Christ forgotten His recorded promise, I will not leave you as orphans. I will send another Comforter. He will lead you into all truth. He will take of what is Mine and make it known to you.

That sounds like progressive revelation to me. But hey, the proof is in the reality. I receive revelations from God via His Spirit. Its great to receieve them and to be able to share them from time to time.

If these seeds of revelation get rejected and refused, if they get choked by untruths then so be it. But im very thankful to my Creators that They will ensure these new revelations get to their God ordained destinations and bear fruit, fruit that endure.

This is fantastic to see in others and to experience personally.

The Holy Bible contains 66 books, only the elect of God will understand the scriptures in their intended context.

So you risk the chance of having your name removed from the book of life for removing 7 or even worse, 15 whole books from the bible. That is, if you believe this teaching, false doctrine.

They are foolishness to those who are perishing, so if you see someone holding to false doctrine you know why.

God would never ask me to do a silly thing like give my house to the poor, so of 'course I wouldn't. God said you will always have the poor, and that was a promise. We see there are poor people in every country and that's the way God decreed it to be, so why would I give my house to them when God preordained them to be poor. I don't want to go against His order of things. He blessed me with a good measure of wealth, so I would be foolish to give it away and join the poor when it wasn't Gods plan for me.

Interesting. Jesus obviously didnt ask a guy who had lots of stuff to sell it all and give it to the poor. Then go follow Him. Maybe that story is in one of the other Canon of scripture or other holy bible.

God doesn't have personal relationships and He doesn't give individuals any gifts.

You better tell Him to stop as He has already given sooo many to His church over the past 2000 years. You can reject them if you like. I certainly won't. I, as one of His elect, require them to fulfil my function within the body of His Christ. This is a wonderful gift in itself to be added to Christ's bride and to be adorned with gifts ready for the Grooms appearing.

I'm being prepared for His return and will accept the oil (gifts) to fill my lamp and to carry surplus in case He comes in the middle of the night.

The only relationship we can have with Him is by studying His Word as we have it in the 2000 year old bible and ponder and study what He said thousands of years ago.

The only relationship you can have with Him is by studying His Word as we have it in the 2000 year old bible and ponder and study what He said thousands of years ago. If you mean 'His Word' as The Father's Son, Jesus the Christ then agreed.

If you mean having a relationship with a book then you're on your own. My relationship with that thing (bible) is long over. I separated from that thing years ago. The bible was my idol which replaced the Spirit. I'm in a relationship with the Spirit of Truth now.

Since He hasn't spoken a word to anyone or had any contact with any person for the past 2000 years.

I've spoken to the Spirit and asked that He reveal new truths, new revelation fresh from God's mind to yours.

So the revelations and gifts you claim to have received from God are actually Satan's counterfeit, versions. OR Shepherd told us that Satan always mimic everything God did, but He adds poison to it so those who receive His poison are like rats taking the bait. Once they eat the poison, their fate is sealed.

Again, I've spoken to the Spirit and asked that He reveal new truths, new revelation fresh from God's mind to yours.

I hope He does. Ask and receive my friend.

 

[Christian Soldier]

What do you mean by 'God's Word'?

Interesting conclusion

In what way does it make our God a liar? Is God not allowed to give gifts, talents, abilities, functions, roles to His Son's body throughout its life that's now 2000 years old?

So are we left to grow, advance, defend, provide on our own?

Has Jesus Christ forgotten His recorded promise, I will not leave you as orphans. I will send another Comforter. He will lead you into all truth. He will take of what is Mine and make it known to you.

That sounds like progressive revelation to me. But hey, the proof is in the reality. I receive revelations from God via His Spirit. Its great to receieve them and to be able to share them from time to time.

If these seeds of revelation get rejected and refused, if they get choked by untruths then so be it. But im very thankful to my Creators that They will ensure these new revelations get to their God ordained destinations and bear fruit, fruit that endure.

This is fantastic to see in others and to experience personally.

So you risk the chance of having your name removed from the book of life for removing 7 or even worse, 15 whole books from the bible. That is, if you believe this teaching, false doctrine.



Interesting. Jesus obviously didnt ask a guy who had lots of stuff to sell it all and give it to the poor. Then go follow Him. Maybe that story is in one of the other Canon of scripture or other holy bible.

You better tell Him to stop as He has already given sooo many to His church over the past 2000 years. You can reject them if you like. I certainly won't. I, as one of His elect, require them to fulfil my function within the body of His Christ. This is a wonderful gift in itself to be added to Christ's bride and to be adorned with gifts ready for the Grooms appearing.

I'm being prepared for His return and will accept the oil (gifts) to fill my lamp and to carry surplus in case He comes in the middle of the night.

The only relationship you can have with Him is by studying His Word as we have it in the 2000 year old bible and ponder and study what He said thousands of years ago. If you mean 'His Word' as The Father's Son, Jesus the Christ then agreed.

If you mean having a relationship with a book then you're on your own. My relationship with that thing (bible) is long over. I separated from that thing years ago. The bible was my idol which replaced the Spirit. I'm in a relationship with the Spirit of Truth now.

I've spoken to the Spirit and asked that He reveal new truths, new revelation fresh from God's mind to yours.

Again, I've spoken to the Spirit and asked that He reveal new truths, new revelation fresh from God's mind to yours.

I hope He does. Ask and receive my friend.

You know that the Bible is Gods Word, if you don't then you can't be a Christian

God would be a liar, if He gave any new revelation after He gave His revelation to John 2000 years ago. See, He said if anyone adds or removes a single Word to what he revealed is cursed. Why would He then go and condemn Himself for doing the exact thing He said was a cursed thing.

God didn't use a cookie cutter to make all of us identical, so of 'course He made us with different talents. But He never gave a single person any new or special revelation and He hasn't spoken to a single person in the last 2000 years. So all we know about Him is the little He revealed in the bible. But nobody has even touched the sides of what He told us in the bible and fools want more on their plate while they can't even eat what God already gave them.

Your theology is not supported by God, you make some wild unfounded assumptions without any support from God's Word. This is to take the law into your own hands, and make God say what He never did say. God said His ways are past finding out, so nobody will ever understand God, because He is a mystery and our puny little minds can't even handle the basics without blowing, but you think you can handle more.

Every bible scholar and theologian spend their entire lives, studying the bible and they hardly scratch the surface, but we get self proclaimed wise guys pretending they need more on their plate. That is pathetic and sad, and disrespectful to God.

 

[One 2 question]

You know that the Bible is Gods Word, if you don't then you can't be a Christian

God would be a liar, if He gave any new revelation after He gave His revelation to John 2000 years ago. See, He said if anyone adds or removes a single Word to what he revealed is cursed. Why would He then go and condemn Himself for doing the exact thing He said was a cursed thing.

God didn't use a cookie cutter to make all of us identical, so of 'course He made us with different talents. But He never gave a single person any new or special revelation and He hasn't spoken to a single person in the last 2000 years. So all we know about Him is the little He revealed in the bible. But nobody has even touched the sides of what He told us in the bible and fools want more on their plate while they can't even eat what God already gave them.

Your theology is not supported by God, you make some wild unfounded assumptions without any support from God's Word. This is to take the law into your own hands, and make God say what He never did say. God said His ways are past finding out, so nobody will ever understand God, because He is a mystery and our puny little minds can't even handle the basics without blowing, but you think you can handle more.

Every bible scholar and theologian spend their entire lives, studying the bible and they hardly scratch the surface, but we get self proclaimed wise guys pretending they need more on their plate. That is pathetic and sad, and disrespectful to God.

I'll keep asking our Father for new revelation to be given to you. Until then, stick to whatever He has given you from a bible or teachers, prophets, interpretation of tongues, apostles and other members of the church.