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The Jews were being picky.
I would say that back in the days, with no fridge etc you do not eat such things, it's just a fact, the point is that such people tried to keep such things and they just do not keep.

One has to be carful of pork, at times they taste like rubbish and other times they taste great, even with cows to a much lesser degree, but my brother had one cow both sisters, I went and picked them up with him and he had them for a few years and in the end one tasted rubbish and the other was nice. Same pro dude cut them up bleed them the same and all.

One just has to know when you can eat some things and not to nowadays, you do not eat some fish at some times of the year and we now know why that is nowadays, because we figured out what they eat at that time of the year.
 

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I would say that back in the days, with no fridge etc you do not eat such things, it's just a fact, the point is that such people tried to keep such things and they just do not keep.

One has to be carful of pork, at times they taste like rubbish and other times they taste great, even with cows to a much lesser degree, but my brother had one cow both sisters, I went and picked them up with him and he had them for a few years and in the end one tasted rubbish and the other was nice. Same pro dude cut them up bleed them the same and all.

One just has to know when you can eat some things and not to nowadays, you do not eat some fish at some times of the year and we now know why that is nowadays, because we figured out what they eat at that time of the year.
I don't know if you read my previous post, but what makes pigs different from other animals is that being scavengers they will eat absolutely anything, and so the flesh is full of maggots.

Regarding storage. In ancient times, whether it was beef, venison, pork that had been kept in a pig stye, and therefore had not eaten human poo, they used to salt the meat and hang it in the larder, and then it stayed fresh for months.
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Re read what I sent you it says what the purpose of ceremonial laws were for.
You have missed the mark again Curtis so I will refresh your knowledge. The ceremonial laws were types....they pointed to Jesus, all in their specific way....that was their purpose and role.

The food laws were health laws. They were not 'ceremonial'.....thats not too difficult to distinguish.
What was less than best ingested then is probably far more valid today given what goes into these animals.

The claim that these health laws no longer apply is doing a disservice to your health but in the interim, enjoy that crackling and those scallops.

ahhhhh, how many people did you say were on medication of some sorts? and for what?.....ohh, you don't think there's a connection?
 

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My friends dad lived to be 99.6 years old, averaged 2 packs of non-filtered camels a day for 60+ years of his life, double shot of Jameson in his coffee to wake up, the Irish way

He ate all my desired, bacon, eggs, fatty beef, you name it, and yes he was 99+ years old at his death, walking and driving to 96+

We all have a day assigned to our names, and his was 99.6+

Bless it in the name of Jesus, give thanks and eat!

Especially that fat smoky applewood bacon!
yeah, keep it up....it's such a great example of glowing vitality!
 

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Non moral law, temporary law.

We can eat BLTs, BBQ pork ribs, and pork chops and it’s no longer a sin.

To whit:

Ceremonial Law
The ceremonial laws are called hukkim or chuqqah in Hebrew, which literally means “custom of the nation”; the words are often translated as “statutes.” These laws seem to focus the adherent’s attention on God. They include instructions on regaining right standing with God (e.g., sacrifices and other ceremonies regarding “uncleanness”), remembrances of God’s work in Israel (e.g., feasts and festivals), specific regulations meant to distinguish Israelites from their pagan neighbors (e.g., dietary and clothing restrictions), and signs that point to the coming Messiah (e.g., the Sabbath, circumcision, Passover, and the redemption of the firstborn). Some Jews believe that the ceremonial law is not fixed. They hold that, as societies evolve, so do God’s expectations of how His followers should relate to Him. This view is not indicated in the Bible.

Christians are not bound by ceremonial law. Since the church is not the nation of Israel, memorial festivals, such as the Feast of Weeks and Passover, do not apply. Galatians 3:23-25 explains that since Jesus has come, Christians are not required to sacrifice or circumcise. There is still debate in Protestant churches over the applicability of the Sabbath. Some say that its inclusion in the Ten Commandments gives it the weight of moral law. Others quote Colossians 2:16-17 and Romans 14:5 to explain that Jesus has fulfilled the Sabbath and become our Sabbath rest. As Romans 14:5 says, "Each one should be fully convinced in his own mind." The applicability of the Old Testament law in the life of a Christian has always related to its usefulness in loving God and others. If someone feels observing the Sabbath aids him in this, he is free to observe it.
Completely irrelevant on a couple of points, but particularly with regards the dietary recommendations of the OT. God promised Israel they would be protected from the diseases of Egypt, from which they had just been set free after 400 years of eating crocodiles, snakes, lizards, and birds of prey, among other things. As a result they were feeble and prone to disease. God loved them, and wanted the best for them. So He had to go over a few things they'd forgotten. The very first thing was to distinguish between what was good and what was bad for health. Nothing to do with ceremony or laying down a type or pointer to Christ. It was solely to make them a strong people, and yes, to distinguish them as His own and sanctified in the midst of nations that ate anything, including each other and their own children.
You will not find one reference in scripture to unclean food. Unclean flesh, yes. But unclean flesh was never categorized as food. Never. That was the difference between unclean and clean. One was food, the other wasn't.
 

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yeah, keep it up....it's such a great example of glowing vitality!
You still haven't answered the question after 2 attempts, this being the 3rd, did you take the Covid vaccine?
 

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Completely irrelevant on a couple of points, but particularly with regards the dietary recommendations of the OT. God promised Israel they would be protected from the diseases of Egypt, from which they had just been set free after 400 years of eating crocodiles, snakes, lizards, and birds of prey, among other things. As a result they were feeble and prone to disease. God loved them, and wanted the best for them. So He had to go over a few things they'd forgotten. The very first thing was to distinguish between what was good and what was bad for health. Nothing to do with ceremony or laying down a type or pointer to Christ. It was solely to make them a strong people, and yes, to distinguish them as His own and sanctified in the midst of nations that ate anything, including each other and their own children.
You will not find one reference in scripture to unclean food. Unclean flesh, yes. But unclean flesh was never categorized as food. Never. That was the difference between unclean and clean. One was food, the other wasn't.
Wrong, Israel left Egypt in perfect health, without a feeble person among them.

Laws of clean and unclean were completely ceremonial, including being unclean until evening after touching a dead animal, including a woman being unclean for 7 days after her period,

I proved unequivocally the truth already in an earlier post, that proved they were ceremonial because both before and after the law o Moses, all animals could then, and can now, be eaten.

Here’s the irrefutable proof I posted earlier.

God told Noah IF IT MOVES,YOU CAN EAT IT:

Clean and unclean animals was 100% ceremonial law given to Israel, as proven by the fact that before, and after, the law of Moses was given, all animals are okay to eat.

God told Noah post flood, and before the law, that if it moves, he can eat it:

Gen 9:3 Every moving thing that lives shall be food for you. And as I gave you the green plants, I give you everything.

Noah could eat all. animals - every living thin that moves includes them all.


And in the new Covenant, Peter learned in Acts 10 that the gentiles, who were considered unclean and completely outside of Gods covenant because they ate unclean meat, could now enter into the new covenant, because God told Peter three times that laws of clean and unclean animals were ended, and that he could kill and eat them.

Then in the passage that Paul was talking about eating meat in, he stated that there is nothing unclean of itself:

Rom 14:2 For one believeth that he may eat all things: another, who is weak, eateth herbs.

Rom 14:14 I know, and am persuaded by the Lord Jesus, that there is nothing unclean of itself: but to him that esteemeth any thing to be unclean, to him it is unclean.

Rom 14:15 But if thy brother be grieved with thy meat, now walkest thou not charitably. Destroy not him with thy meat, for whom Christ died.

Finally, Jesus tells the Jews who considered that eating unclean animals defiled the body, that there is nothing you can eat that defiles a man, for its what comes out of a man from his heart, that defiles him.

It’s pretty clear that unclean animal law was absolutely ceremonial in nature, and peculiar to the law of Moses.

Before and after the law, animals were not unclean.
 
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You have missed the mark again Curtis so I will refresh your knowledge. The ceremonial laws were types....they pointed to Jesus, all in their specific way....that was their purpose and role.

The food laws were health laws. They were not 'ceremonial'.....thats not too difficult to distinguish.
What was less than best ingested then is probably far more valid today given what goes into these animals.

The claim that these health laws no longer apply is doing a disservice to your health but in the interim, enjoy that crackling and those scallops.

ahhhhh, how many people did you say were on medication of some sorts? and for what?.....ohh, you don't think there's a connection?
Except I already proved the truth,you can deny it, your choice but it’s crystal clear that before and after the law of Moses, all animals could then and can today, be eaten.

Here’s irrefutable proof again:

Clean and unclean animals was 100% ceremonial law given to Israel, as proven by the fact that before, and after, the law of Moses was given, all animals are okay to eat.

God told Noah post flood, and before the law, that if it moves, he can eat it:

Gen 9:3 Every moving thing that lives shall be food for you. And as I gave you the green plants, I give you everything.

And in the new Covenant, Peter learned in Acts 10 that the gentiles, who were considered unclean and completely outside of Gods covenant because they ate unclean meat, could now enter into the new covenant, because God told Peter three times that laws of clean and unclean animals were ended, and that he could kill and eat them.

Then in the passage that Paul was talking about eating meat in, he stated that there is nothing unclean of itself:

Rom 14:2 For one believeth that he may eat all things: another, who is weak, eateth herbs.

Rom 14:14 I know, and am persuaded by the Lord Jesus, that there is nothing unclean of itself: but to him that esteemeth any thing to be unclean, to him it is unclean.

Rom 14:15 But if thy brother be grieved with thy meat, now walkest thou not charitably. Destroy not him with thy meat, for whom Christ died.

Finally, Jesus tells the Jews who considered that eating unclean animals defiled the body, that there is nothing you can eat that defiles a man, for its what comes out of a man from his heart, that defiles him.

It’s pretty clear that unclean animal law was absolutely ceremonial in nature, and peculiar to the law of Moses.

Before and after the law of Moses, animals were not unclean.
 

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God promised Israel they would be protected from the diseases of Egypt, from which they had just been set free after 400 years of eating crocodiles, snakes, lizards, and birds of prey, among other things. As a result they were feeble and prone to disease.
Wrong on all counts- God told Israel if they obeyed He would not punish them by putting diseases on them as punishment:

Exo 15:26 And said, If thou wilt diligently hearken to the voice of the LORD thy God, and wilt do that which is right in his sight, and wilt give ear to his commandments, and keep all his statutes, I will put none of these diseases upon thee, which I have brought upon the Egyptians: for I am the LORD that healeth thee.

You clearly don’t know what you’re talking about on this particular subject.

And Israel left Egypt healthy:

Psa 105:37 He brought them forth also with silver and gold: and there was not one feeble person among their tribes.

Psa 105:38 Egypt was glad when they departed: for the fear of them fell upon them.

Maranatha
 

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Grape Nuts Will Do you Good, the health food Guru of the 60's-70's died at the ripe age of 64?

Eat and enjoy the flavor, steer clear of government sponsored vaccines

Euell Theophilus Gibbons (September 8, 1911 – December 29, 1975) was an outdoorsman and early health food advocate, promoting eating wild foods during the 1960s.
No problems, slurp up the pig fat and snot from the filters of the sea and hope for a long healthy life!

Edit...oh, and keep the economy healthy by patronising Macca's and Wendy's ingesting plenty of their sensory tid bits, after all its not what goes into a man that defiles him but what comes out of it.....could that be vomit from overindulgence? :)
 
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I was shipwrecked some years ago and ended up on the north east coast of New Britain, a province of Papua/New Guinea
The natives took care of me......After some time I was invited to the funeral of a child. I was watching the proceeding from the sidelines when one of the guys I had got to know came running up all excited with a plate of something; you vant some pigggg he asked as this large piece of fat with skin on and hair bristling wobbled on the plate ...no meat, just fat. He thought of it as a delicacy and had no idea how appealing my plain bowl of rice I was eating had to me after I saw this.
 

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Wrong on all counts- God told Israel if they obeyed He would not punish them by putting diseases on them as punishment:

Exo 15:26 And said, If thou wilt diligently hearken to the voice of the LORD thy God, and wilt do that which is right in his sight, and wilt give ear to his commandments, and keep all his statutes, I will put none of these diseases upon thee, which I have brought upon the Egyptians: for I am the LORD that healeth thee.

You clearly don’t know what you’re talking about on this particular subject.

And Israel left Egypt healthy:

Psa 105:37 He brought them forth also with silver and gold: and there was not one feeble person among their tribes.

Psa 105:38 Egypt was glad when they departed: for the fear of them fell upon them.

Maranatha
Let's find some context...
KJV Exodus 15:23-26
23 And when they came to Marah, they could not drink of the waters of Marah, for they were bitter: therefore the name of it was called Marah.
24 And the people murmured against Moses, saying, What shall we drink?
25 And he cried unto the LORD; and the LORD shewed him a tree, which when he had cast into the waters, the waters were made sweet: there he made for them a statute and an ordinance, and there he proved them,
26 And said, If thou wilt diligently hearken to the voice of the LORD thy God, and wilt do that which is right in his sight, and wilt give ear to his commandments, and keep all his statutes, I will put none of these diseases upon thee, which I have brought upon the Egyptians: for I am the LORD that healeth thee.

One essential category of those statutes was the health laws, that if obeyed, would ensure their well being.

They needed healing and they were destined to walk through a desert and then face off against enemies who blocked their path and occupied the land good has promised them. They needed to be in the best of health, both mentally and physically to overcome. Which is why he gave them the laws of health... The same laws of obeyed today will afford one a greater general well-being and longer life span.
But hey. Poison yourself if you must.
 

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The law of Moses is not for Christians.

In the law of Moses there are special regulations as to the animals to be used for food (Lev. 11; Deut. 14:3-21). The Jews were also forbidden to use as food anything that had been consecrated to idols (Exo_34:15), or animals that had died of disease or had been torn by wild beasts (Exo_22:31; Lev_22:8). (See also for other restrictions Exo_23:19; Exo_29:13-22; Lev_3:4-9; Lev_9:18, Lev_9:19; Lev_22:8; Deu_14:21.) But beyond these restrictions they had a large grant from God (Deu_14:26; Deu_32:13, Deu_32:14).

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Acts10:13
13 "And there came a voice to him, Rise, Peter; kill, and eat."

"But God has shown me that I should not call any man common or unclean." - Acts 10:28"

I don't see God telling Peter to "Kill" any man...besides, this has nothing to do with salvation, if we eat or not, it is unto our own consciences.
I agree. God is not the author or confusion. Sounds like he is deeming all animals clean to eat. He made them clean.
 
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I agree. God is not the author or confusion. Sounds like he is deeming all animals clean to eat. He made them clean.
Hi Mantis,
The scriptures seem pretty clear to me too. Although, sure, those who do not eat of things that don't edify the body are surely healthier overall but, plenty of meat eaters are also healthy as they are moderate and do not overeat, they exercise, or work off what they eat and the protein in red meat is an awesome muscle builder. We are FREE not in bondage to all of the OT laws.
 
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Hi, I hope I am posting in the right forum. Sorry if I'm mistaken.

The Old Testament says we should not eat pork (Leviticus 11:7) so how come we eat some?
Mark 7
Again Jesus called the crowd to him and said, “Listen to me, everyone, and understand this. 15 Nothing outside a person can defile them by going into them. Rather, it is what comes out of a person that defiles them.”[16]

17 After he had left the crowd and entered the house, his disciples asked him about this parable. 18 “Are you so dull?” he asked. “Don’t you see that nothing that enters a person from the outside can defile them? 19 For it doesn’t go into their heart but into their stomach, and then out of the body.” (In saying this, Jesus declared all foods clean.)

20 He went on: “What comes out of a person is what defiles them. 21 For it is from within, out of a person’s heart, that evil thoughts come—sexual immorality, theft, murder,22 adultery, greed, malice, deceit, lewdness, envy, slander, arrogance and folly. 23 All these evils come from inside and defile a person.
 
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