Eating pork

[n2thelight]

Hi, I hope I am posting in the right forum. Sorry if I'm mistaken.

The Old Testament says we should not eat pork (Leviticus 11:7) so how come we eat some?

Because we want to is the only thing I can come up with ,just glad it's not a law unto salvation ,however it makes the body sick .

 

[quietthinker]

I don't feel Christ deemed all things good to eat in that chapter

Acts 10:13 "And there came a voice to him, "Rise, Peter; kill, and eat."

Many people take this, and say that God made all things edible. If this is what you think it says, you miss the whole point. This has nothing to do with food, but God is using this as an analogy. God will not allow Peter to touch these wild creatures. God did not allow Peter to eat any part of this filth, for God is using these animals to teach Peter something entirely different.

Acts 10:14 "But Peter said, "Not so, Lord; for I have never eaten any thing that is common or unclean."

Peter is arguing with God. The word common also means unclean. Where the previous uses of the word "unclean" were in reference to evil spirits, here it is in reference to the ceremonial uncleanness of the Levitical law. Every one of these animals and fowl were listed as unfit from the mouth of God Himself.

Acts 10:15 "And the voice spake unto him again the second time, "What God hath cleansed, that call not thou common."

Remember back when Jesus was speaking to Peter, after Peter had denied Jesus three times, and Jesus told Peter also "Peter, feed My Sheep" three times.

John 21:15 "So when they had dined, Jesus saith to Simon Peter, "Simon, son of Jonas, lovest thou Me more than these?" He saith unto Him, "Ye Lord; You knowest that I love Thee." He saith unto him, "Feed My lambs."

Jesus' lambs are the Christians that are new converts, and need the milk of the Word, they need to be taught the basics.

John 21:16 "He saith to him again the second time, "Simon, son of Jonas, lovest thou Me?" He saith unto Him, "Yea, Lord; Thou knowest that I love Thee."

These sheep in the Greek text are "probation" they are not the real young sheep, but ones that need more then just milk.

John 21:17 "He saith unto him the third time, "Simon, son of Jonas, lovest thou Me?" Peter was grieved because He said unto him the third time, "Lovest thou Me?" and he said unto Him, "Lord, thou knowest all things; Thou knowest that I love Thee." Jesus saith unto him, "Feed My sheep"

The sheep mentioned here are those that are seasoned in the Word, the more mature sheep that desire the more meat of the Word. God is telling Peter to teach all his sheep, even the more mature Christians. God spoke to peter three times for emphesis to make a point, and that is what is He is doing here also to Peter.

What this is refering to here in Acts, is not eating our animals, but People, Gentile people that had been considered polluted and unclean before the death and resurrection of Jesus Christ. God is not talking about the food you eat, nor has He changed any part of His health laws. Scavenger food, and swine and the sorts, that were not to be eaten, are still not to be eaten. This is an analogy that has to do with the Gentile peoples.

Well presented!

 

[Curtis]

Clean and unclean animals was 100% ceremonial law given to Israel, as proven by the fact that before, and after, the law of Moses was given, all animals are okay to eat.

God told Noah post flood, and before the law, that if it moves, he can eat it:

Gen 9:3 Every moving thing that lives shall be food for you. And as I gave you the green plants, I give you everything.

And in the new Covenant, Peter learned in Acts 10 that the gentiles, who were considered unclean and completely outside of Gods covenant because they ate unclean meat, could now enter into the new covenant, because God told Peter three times that laws of clean and unclean animals were ended, and that he could kill and eat them.

Then in the passage that Paul was talking about eating meat in, he stated that there is nothing unclean of itself:

Rom 14:2 For one believeth that he may eat all things: another, who is weak, eateth herbs.

Rom 14:14 I know, and am persuaded by the Lord Jesus, that there is nothing unclean of itself: but to him that esteemeth any thing to be unclean, to him it is unclean.

Rom 14:15 But if thy brother be grieved with thy meat, now walkest thou not charitably. Destroy not him with thy meat, for whom Christ died.

Finally, Jesus tells the Jews who considered that eating unclean animals defiled the body, that there is nothing you can eat that defiles a man, for its what comes out of a man from his heart, that defiles him.

It’s pretty clear that unclean animal law was absolutely ceremonial in nature, and peculiar to the law of Moses.

Before and after the law, animals were not unclean.

 

[quietthinker]

Clean and unclean animals was 100% ceremonial law given to Israel, as proven by the fact that before, and after, the law of Moses was given, all animals are okay to eat.

God told Noah post flood, and before the law, that if it moves, he can eat it:

Gen 9:3 Every moving thing that lives shall be food for you. And as I gave you the green plants, I give you everything.

And in the new Covenant, Peter learned in Acts 10 that the gentiles, who were considered unclean and completely outside of Gods covenant because they ate unclean meat, could now enter into the new covenant, because God told Peter three times that laws of clean and unclean animals were ended, and that he could kill and eat them.

Then in the passage that Paul was talking about eating meat in, he state that there is nothing unclean of itself:

Rom 14:2 For one believeth that he may eat all things: another, who is weak, eateth herbs.

Rom 14:14 I know, and am persuaded by the Lord Jesus, that there is nothing unclean of itself: but to him that esteemeth any thing to be unclean, to him it is unclean.

Rom 14:15 But if thy brother be grieved with thy meat, now walkest thou not charitably. Destroy not him with thy meat, for whom Christ died.

Finally, Jesus tells the Jews who considered that eating unclean animals defiled the body, that there is nothing you can eat that defiles a man, for its what comes out of a man from his heart, that defiles him.

It’s pretty clear that unclean animal law was absolutely ceremonial in nature, and peculiar to the law of Moses.

Before and after the law, animals were not unclean.

How was the prohibition of eating unclean animal laws ceremonial in nature?

 

[Curtis]

How was the prohibition of eating unclean animal laws ceremonial in nature?

That is self evident- before and after the law, animals are not unclean, therefore such laws were ceremonial and not moral, which I would think is rather obvious.

 

[quietthinker]

That is self evident- before and after the law, animals are not unclean, therefore such laws were ceremonial and not moral, which I would think is rather obvious.

It is not self evident at all.
You have not explained you how it is ceremonial.
I said nothing about it being moral so why splice that in?

 

[Truth7t7]

Hi, I hope I am posting in the right forum. Sorry if I'm mistaken.

The Old Testament says we should not eat pork (Leviticus 11:7) so how come we eat some?

Applewood smoked bacon thick cut, over pancakes with real maple syrup?

 

[Truth7t7]

And when it comes to shell fish or crustaceans and those delicacies which are drooled over; did you know they are filter feeders? They are in the oceans as garbage collectors; that’s right, cleaners to filter all those pesky poisons we dump into our waterways and jump up and down about because the toxicity level is killing things.... well these little critters and others like them are working overtime for you.....and you what?? ...you love to eat them and pay top dollar into the bargain just because there’s a taste factor between your tongue and your throat....and then it’s shock horror when cancer is detected because your run down immune system can’t handle the poison build up over, what did you say?? decades? of ingesting these creatures at every opportunity.

Righty! I better shut this li’l rave down in case there’s absorption fatigue..... whew!

Scallops, half dollar sized breaded and deep fried, a little lemon and tartar sauce, good!

I'd much rather eat fried scallops than take the Covid vaccine, did you take it?

 

[Curtis]

It is not self evident at all.
You have not explained you how it is ceremonial.
I said nothing about it being moral so why splice that in?

I can lead you to water, I can’t make you drink it.

If we can now eat all animals, and could eat all animals before the law, then its blatantly, even ridiculously obvious that temporary laws of clean and unclean were ceremonial - such as the law of Moses that said a woman was unclean for seven days after her period.

 

[quietthinker]

How where they ceremonial?...or maybe it’s better to ask if you understand what ‘ceremonial’ is ie, what it applies to?

 

[Curtis]

How where they ceremonial?...or maybe it’s better to ask if you understand what ‘ceremonial’ is ie, what it applies to?

Non moral law, temporary law.

We can eat BLTs, BBQ pork ribs, and pork chops and it’s no longer a sin.

To whit:

Ceremonial Law
The ceremonial laws are called hukkim or chuqqah in Hebrew, which literally means “custom of the nation”; the words are often translated as “statutes.” These laws seem to focus the adherent’s attention on God. They include instructions on regaining right standing with God (e.g., sacrifices and other ceremonies regarding “uncleanness”), remembrances of God’s work in Israel (e.g., feasts and festivals), specific regulations meant to distinguish Israelites from their pagan neighbors (e.g., dietary and clothing restrictions), and signs that point to the coming Messiah (e.g., the Sabbath, circumcision, Passover, and the redemption of the firstborn). Some Jews believe that the ceremonial law is not fixed. They hold that, as societies evolve, so do God’s expectations of how His followers should relate to Him. This view is not indicated in the Bible.

Christians are not bound by ceremonial law. Since the church is not the nation of Israel, memorial festivals, such as the Feast of Weeks and Passover, do not apply. Galatians 3:23-25 explains that since Jesus has come, Christians are not required to sacrifice or circumcise. There is still debate in Protestant churches over the applicability of the Sabbath. Some say that its inclusion in the Ten Commandments gives it the weight of moral law. Others quote Colossians 2:16-17 and Romans 14:5 to explain that Jesus has fulfilled the Sabbath and become our Sabbath rest. As Romans 14:5 says, "Each one should be fully convinced in his own mind." The applicability of the Old Testament law in the life of a Christian has always related to its usefulness in loving God and others. If someone feels observing the Sabbath aids him in this, he is free to observe it.

 

[quietthinker]

Scallops, half dollar sized breaded and deep fried, a little lemon and tartar sauce, good!

I'd much rather eat fried scallops than take the Covid vaccine, did you take it?

It’s quiet clear to me T7x7 that your reference point for making a determination are your senses.....if it tastes good, indulge it!

Using that principle is there any reason not to indulge converting, or adultery or theft?....oh wait, that’s right, the law’s been done away with, I can now eat all the things which God said to skip because my senses determine what defines good or bad......yi haaa, let’s put on a pork party and if you have a pretty wife we can indulge our pleasures with her as well.

 

[quietthinker]

Non moral law, temporary law.

We can eat BLTs, BBQ pork ribs, and pork chops and it’s no longer a sin.

To whit:

Ceremonial Law
The ceremonial laws are called hukkim or chuqqah in Hebrew, which literally means “custom of the nation”; the words are often translated as “statutes.” These laws seem to focus the adherent’s attention on God. They include instructions on regaining right standing with God (e.g., sacrifices and other ceremonies regarding “uncleanness”), remembrances of God’s work in Israel (e.g., feasts and festivals), specific regulations meant to distinguish Israelites from their pagan neighbors (e.g., dietary and clothing restrictions), and signs that point to the coming Messiah (e.g., the Sabbath, circumcision, Passover, and the redemption of the firstborn). Some Jews believe that the ceremonial law is not fixed. They hold that, as societies evolve, so do God’s expectations of how His followers should relate to Him. This view is not indicated in the Bible.

Christians are not bound by ceremonial law. Since the church is not the nation of Israel, memorial festivals, such as the Feast of Weeks and Passover, do not apply. Galatians 3:23-25 explains that since Jesus has come, Christians are not required to sacrifice or circumcise. There is still debate in Protestant churches over the applicability of the Sabbath. Some say that its inclusion in the Ten Commandments gives it the weight of moral law. Others quote Colossians 2:16-17 and Romans 14:5 to explain that Jesus has fulfilled the Sabbath and become our Sabbath rest. As Romans 14:5 says, "Each one should be fully convinced in his own mind." The applicability of the Old Testament law in the life of a Christian has always related to its usefulness in loving God and others. If someone feels observing the Sabbath aids him in this, he is free to observe it.

You are not hearing my question. What was their purpose????

 

[Brakelite]

It is a strange irony that Christians would dream of pouring water into their gas tank, believing the manufacturers instructions and natural law, that such materials don't mix and don't burn. However, they ignore the Manufacturers instructions and natural law by pouring poisons into their own bodies through the medium of shell fish and swine's flesh, thinking by saying, please "bless this food", they would be saved from the consequences.
You are correct QT, no-one denies that roast pork with cracking, scallops and lobster taste sensational, (I know this from prior experience, being a diver and pig
hunter in a former life), but the last thing we should be doing is basing our doctrines and biblical beliefs on appetite. Sadly though, in today's context, as Jesus said,
KJV Matthew 11:19
19 ... wisdom is justified of her children.

 

[Truman]

I try to eat a well-balanced diet and not worry about it. Stress can be a killer, brought on by fear.
Fear not, lest what you fear come upon you.

 

[Curtis]

You are not hearing my question. What was their purpose????

Re read what I sent you it says what the purpose of ceremonial laws were for.

 

[Truth7t7]

It’s quiet clear to me T7x7 that your reference point for making a determination are your senses.....if it tastes good, indulge it!

Using that principle is there any reason not to indulge converting, or adultery or theft?....oh wait, that’s right, the law’s been done away with, I can now eat all the things which God said to skip because my senses determine what defines good or bad......yi haaa, let’s put on a pork party and if you have a pretty wife we can indulge our pleasures with her as well.

You didnt answer the most important part?

Did you take the Covid vaccine?

 

[Truth7t7]

I try to eat a well-balanced diet and not worry about it. Stress can be a killer, brought on by fear.
Fear not, lest what you fear come upon you.

My friends dad lived to be 99.6 years old, averaged 2 packs of non-filtered camels a day for 60+ years of his life, double shot of Jameson in his coffee to wake up, the Irish way

He ate all my desired, bacon, eggs, fatty beef, you name it, and yes he was 99+ years old at his death, walking and driving to 96+

We all have a day assigned to our names, and his was 99.6+

Bless it in the name of Jesus, give thanks and eat!

Especially that fat smoky applewood bacon!

 

[Truman]

My friends dad lived to be 99.6 years old, averaged 2 packs of non-filtered camels a day for 60+ years of his life, double shot of Jameson in his coffee to wake up, the Irish way

He ate all my desired, bacon, eggs, fatty beef, you name it, and yes he was 99+ years old at his death, walking and driving to 96+

We all have a day assigned to our names, and his was 99.6+

Bless it in the name of Jesus, give thanks and eat!

Especially that fat smoky applewood bacon!

 

[Truman]

Oops...I guess this is not the vaccine thread...oh well, it still needed to be said!
I'd rather eat dill pickles that take the vaccine! Lol