Does John 5:24-29 contradict the belief that one must believe in Jesus to avoid eternal death?

[amigo de christo]

Amen.
None, nada, zip, zero ! Angels worship none other than God, the creator. However, plenty of men worship man and angels and the gods and goods of this world !

Yes indeed dear sister . many worship men and not GOD . many worship angels , another jesus , another god too .
But lambs , WE WORSHIP GOD THE FATHER OF OUR LORD AND SAVOIR JESUS CHRIST .
And we got ONE BOOK we love and read and shall test all men against . THE LOVELY PURE AND HOLY BIBLE .
We even have us a massive unifying religoin that honors perversion and all paths and loveth the creature rather than the creator that
many are now unifying as one right under . BUT ,
Lambs , SIT UNDER JESUS AT HIS FEET . men will do as men do , people do as people do
BUT LAMBS GONNA DO AS JESUS SAID TO DO . Loving EVERY WORD OF the LORD .
Now , ITS HIGH TIME TO PRAISE THE LORD AGAIN my dear sister . SO lift those hands up and let the KING be praised .

 

[amigo de christo]

Amen.
None, nada, zip, zero ! Angels worship none other than God, the creator. However, plenty of men worship man and angels and the gods and goods of this world !

The ONLY BEGOTTON SON OF GOD CHRIST JESUS is WHOM the lambs SIT UNDER .
Now lift those hands and praise the KING

 

[Keiw]

Yes indeed dear sister . many worship men and not GOD . many worship angels , another jesus , another god too .
But lambs , WE WORSHIP GOD THE FATHER OF OUR LORD AND SAVOIR JESUS CHRIST .
And we got ONE BOOK we love and read and shall test all men against . THE LOVELY PURE AND HOLY BIBLE .
We even have us a massive unifying religoin that honors perversion and all paths and loveth the creature rather than the creator that
many are now unifying as one right under . BUT ,
Lambs , SIT UNDER JESUS AT HIS FEET . men will do as men do , people do as people do
BUT LAMBS GONNA DO AS JESUS SAID TO DO . Loving EVERY WORD OF the LORD .
Now , ITS HIGH TIME TO PRAISE THE LORD AGAIN my dear sister . SO lift those hands up and let the KING be praised .

The holy bible that God inspired has his name( YHWH(Jehovah) in place over 7000 places. The other translations are altered to mislead.

 

[amigo de christo]

The holy bible that God inspired has his name( YHWH(Jehovah) in place over 7000 places. The other translations are altered to mislead.

You mean the bible that charlie inspired . Now i do know his Name is called JEHOVAH and YHWH .
But how on earth does that prove GOD IS NOT HIS WORD AND HIS WORD IS HE .
WHEN the scriptures plainly say so .
You do realize the man who , OH how i wish you could see my quoate fingers on this one , inspired
the jw bible simply MADE the claim THE HOLY GHOST GAVE HIM KNOWLEDGE of GREEK
to correct THE BIBLE . ANYONE can make that claim my friend .
As for me , This lamb is gonna stick to the KJV BIBLE .
Rather odd that a lot of false teachers do similiar things too .
THEY either try and make the cliams they had some NEW REVELATION FROM GOD
and OH MY IT was just in time to save the world from the wrong bible .
HOW COME GOD waited so long . I mean IF that bible had been in error
LIKE ol JW man claimed it was . THOSE POOR SOULS for hundreds of years that perished believing what was written .
YEAH , RIGHT .
You all got duped my friend . By date setters too i might add .
You really need to see some of the stuff that ol watchtower and JWS have claimed as INSPIRED BY GOD .
PHEW WEE , date setting , then trying to correct it , then giving up
cause they kept missing it . SO what do they do
THE same thing the date setting adventists did . OH WE JUST MESSED UP THE PLACE JESUS CAME TOO .
My advice is , You need to run and run as far away and as fast as you can from the JW WATCHTOWER .
And i dont say this to be mean . I SAY IT OUT OF MUCH MUCH LOVE for your soul . HURRY .

 

[Nancy]

1 Thess 4:16=Upon Jesus return he comes with the trumpet of God( announcing this ride( Rev 6:1-2) and with the voice of the archangel)--its his voice. That ride of the white horse= the war in heaven, Michael took that ride, yet verse 2 he receives his crown-Only Jesus is getting the crown.--Dan 12:1--It is Michael who stands up for Gods chosen in the last days.
One must go through Jesus to get to the Father.

Rev 6:1-2 I believe this white horse rider represents the imposter. He has a laurel type crown on his head, a bow but no arrows, perhaps this means that the A.C. has used all of the fiery arrows God will allow?
The A.C. will come 1st.


This is the True Christ when HE returns, IMHO! :)
Revelation 19:11-16
"11 Then I saw heaven opened, and behold, a white horse! The one sitting on it is called Faithful and True, and in righteousness he judges and makes war. 12 His eyes are like a flame of fire, and on his head are many diadems, (not a "crown") and he has a name written that no one knows but himself. 13 He is clothed in a robe dipped in[a] blood, and the name by which he is called is The Word of God. 14 And the armies of heaven, arrayed in fine linen, white and pure, were following him on white horses. 15 From his mouth comes a sharp sword (The Word of God) with which to strike down the nations, and he will rule them with a rod of iron. He will tread the winepress of the fury of the wrath of God the Almighty. 16 On his robe and on his thigh he has a name written, King of kings and Lord of lords."

Would make a great study, that 1st horseman.

 

[St. SteVen]

This is all that is needed= 1 Thess 4:16--Upon Jesus return, he comes with the trumpet of God( announcing this ride( Rev 6:1-2) and with the voice of the archangel) --its his voice.
Rev 6:1-2 = the war in heaven, Michael took that ride, yet verse 2 he receives his crown--only Jesus is getting the crown.
Dan 12:1--Itis Michael who stands up for Gods chosen in these last days.

Thanks for your brief but detailed reply. Good points, actually.

 

[St. SteVen]

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[Nancy]

Rev 6:1-2 I believe this white horse rider represents the imposter. He has a laurel type crown on his head, a bow but no arrows, perhaps this means that the A.C. has used all of the fiery arrows God will allow?
The A.C. will come 1st.

This is the True Christ when HE returns, IMHO! :) :

Revelation 19:11-16
"11 Then I saw heaven opened, and behold, a white horse! The one sitting on it is called Faithful and True, and in righteousness he judges and makes war. 12 His eyes are like a flame of fire, and on his head are many diadems, (not a "crown") and he has a name written that no one knows but himself. 13 He is clothed in a robe dipped in[a] blood, and the name by which he is called is The Word of God. 14 And the armies of heaven, arrayed in fine linen, white and pure, were following him on white horses. 15 From his mouth comes a sharp sword (The Word of God) with which to strike down the nations, and he will rule them with a rod of iron. He will tread the winepress of the fury of the wrath of God the Almighty. 16 On his robe and on his thigh he has a name written, King of kings and Lord of lords."

Would make a great study, that 1st horseman.




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Plus, when Jesus returns to earth, it is at the END of the tribulation period...IMHO :)

 

[Jack]

There is a whole bible Jack. I shared with you FACTS that prove Jesus is not the Fath

There is a whole bible Jack. I shared with you FACTS that prove Jesus is not the Father.

Then why do you avoid simple questions like, did you believe our Bible is Satanic before or after you visited Kingdom Hall?

 

[Jack]

Obeisance is what occurred, not worship.

Luke 4:8 (NKJV)
8 And Jesus answered and said to him, "Get behind Me, Satan! For it is written, 'You shall worship the LORD your God, and Him only you shall serve.' "
Hebrews 1:6 (NKJV)
6 But when He again brings the firstborn into the world, He says: "Let all the angels of God worship Him."

Same Greek word!

 

[Jack]

i made 2 posts about it to others.

Where is Michael called our Savior in the NT? Answer: NEVER

2 Timothy 1:10 (NKJV)
10 but has now been revealed by the appearing of our Savior Jesus Christ,

And Michael is "one of the chief princes", not our Savior Jesus!

Daniel 10:13 (NKJV)
13 But the prince of the kingdom of Persia withstood me twenty-one days; and behold, Michael, one of the chief princes, came to help me,

You're spewing Watch Tower doctrine.

 

[Keiw]

Thanks for your brief but detailed reply. Good points, actually.

The ride of the white horse doesn't end until this-1Cor 15:24-28(end of rev 20 i believe)--Jesus is pictured on the continuation of that ride at Rev 19:11, but its the same ride that began at Rev 6, and Michael was pictured on that ride--Michaelis Jesus.
And if one listens to Jesus-John 17:3--This means eternal life, their knowing you(Father) THE ONLY TRUE GOD and the one whom you sent forth Jesus Christ--2 major points here-1) The Father is THE ONLY TRUE GOD and-2) The only true God sent another named Jesus as a mortal. God did not come down here.
Another proof Michael is Jesus=Daniel 7:13-15--Someone like a son of man( created being) was given a kingship=Michael, the one standing up for Gods chosen here in these last days.= Jesus as a mortal.

 

[Keiw]

Then why do you avoid simple questions like, did you believe our Bible is Satanic before or after you visited Kingdom Hall?

Facts show 100% your bible versions were altered by satans will. And Catholicism added errors to fit false council teachings. To make it look like Jesus is God. But he is not. he is Gods son, not God.

 

[Keiw]

Luke 4:8 (NKJV)
8 And Jesus answered and said to him, "Get behind Me, Satan! For it is written, 'You shall worship the LORD your God, and Him only you shall serve.' "
Hebrews 1:6 (NKJV)
6 But when He again brings the firstborn into the world, He says: "Let all the angels of God worship Him."

Same Greek word!

Yes same Greek word=Proskenaue--5 different meanings from Greek to English-1) worship to God-2)Obeisance to a king-3) honor to a judge and 2 others- Catholicism translated in worship when Obeisance is correct to one who has a God. and is Gods appointed king.

 

[St. SteVen]

The ride of the white horse doesn't end until this-1Cor 15:24-28(end of rev 20 i believe)--Jesus is pictured on the continuation of that ride at Rev 19:11, but its the same ride that began at Rev 6, and Michael was pictured on that ride--Michaelis Jesus.
And if one listens to Jesus-John 17:3--This means eternal life, their knowing you(Father) THE ONLY TRUE GOD and the one whom you sent forth Jesus Christ--2 major points here-1) The Father is THE ONLY TRUE GOD and-2) The only true God sent another named Jesus as a mortal. God did not come down here.
Another proof Michael is Jesus=Daniel 7:13-15--Someone like a son of man( created being) was given a kingship=Michael, the one standing up for Gods chosen here in these last days.= Jesus as a mortal.

So,,,
You believe Jesus is Michael the angel, and you don't believe in the Trinity? (saw another post somewhere)
And God's name is Jehovah?

 

[Jack]

Facts show 100% your bible versions were altered by satans will. And Catholicism added errors to fit false council teachings. To make it look like Jesus is God. But he is not. he is Gods son, not God.

Sounds just like what Satan would say!

 

[Keiw]

Where is Michael called our Savior in the NT? Answer: NEVER

2 Timothy 1:10 (NKJV)
10 but has now been revealed by the appearing of our Savior Jesus Christ,

And Michael is "one of the chief princes", not our Savior Jesus!

Daniel 10:13 (NKJV)
13 But the prince of the kingdom of Persia withstood me twenty-one days; and behold, Michael, one of the chief princes, came to help me,

You're spewing Watch Tower doctrine.

Then you can prove that either its Jesus voice or Michael loaned Jesus his voice-1Thess 4:16-- Otherwise you shouldn't speak on matters you have 0 proof. One doesn't loan a voice= Fact-thus it is Jesus voice.

 

[Jack]

Yes same Greek word=Proskenaue--5 different meanings from Greek to English-1) worship to God-2)Obeisance to a king-3) honor to a judge and 2 others- Catholicism translated in worship when Obeisance is correct to one who has a God. and is Gods appointed king.

How can you teach us Greek and Hebrew when you struggle with English? Are you Greek?

 

[Keiw]

So,,,
You believe Jesus is Michael the angel, and you don't believe in the Trinity? (saw another post somewhere)
And God's name is Jehovah?

The Israelite religion-NEVER served a trinity God while serving the Abrahamic God, they served the true living God. YHWH(Jehovah)
Catholicism changed God to a trinity at the council of Constantinople in 381 ce. In the 2nd century a man named Tertullian was contemplating God to be a trinity, that means the single being God of Israel was still being served at that point.
Catholicisms own encyclopedia says the apostles knew nothing of God being a trinity.) Because he isn't.
Catholicism translated small errors in to fit their false council teachings.

 

[Keiw]

So,,,
You believe Jesus is Michael the angel, and you don't believe in the Trinity? (saw another post somewhere)
And God's name is Jehovah?

yes