Does John 5:24-29 contradict the belief that one must believe in Jesus to avoid eternal death?

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Ezra

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-Matt 7:22-23-these believe yet will hear those words as judgement.
wrong type believing there defense was Didnt I every thing was about I true belief is found in romans 10:10
 

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Those things don't occur today. Except healing. and freely giving.
Jesus taught--FEW will find the road that leads off into life. Matt 7:14)--He as well compared these last days to Noahs day( 99.9% mislead) Luke 17:26)-99% minimum today mislead. Why? Because FEW know what Jesus actually teaches. 99% of all the religions claiming to be christian get paid( not freely giving) to teach the religions brand of dogma and little of what Jesus taught.
The pot calling the kettle black. Such irony!
 
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Jesus taught--FEW will find the road that leads off into life. Matt 7:14)--
If that is in reference to the afterlife...
It means God is playing a high-stakes game of hide-and-seek with our souls.
Would God make sport of such a thing?
 

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If that is in reference to the afterlife...
It means God is playing a high-stakes game of hide-and-seek with our souls.
Would God make sport of such a thing?
You can't blame God. He gave us plenty of warnings!

Matthew 13
40 Therefore as the tares are gathered and burned in the fire, so it will be at the end of this age. 41 The Son of Man will send out His angels, and they will gather out of His kingdom all things that offend, and those who practice lawlessness, 42 and will cast them into the furnace of fire. There will be wailing and gnashing of teeth.

Hebrews 10
31 It is a fearful thing to fall into the hands of the living God.
 

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Trinity TRANSLATIONS -- - - . Translations is the key word. Once again, scripture does not contradict itself.
1Cor 8:6--There is one God to all-The Father.
John 1:1--And the word was God.= error. Otherwise the word would have to be the Father but the word is not the Father, the word is the son.
 

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wrong type believing there defense was Didnt I every thing was about I true belief is found in romans 10:10
That is part of it- Jesus summed it up in 2 teachings - Man does not live by bread alone, but by EVERY utterance from God=OT-NT- And Matt 7:21 is that will.
 

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If that is in reference to the afterlife...
It means God is playing a high-stakes game of hide-and-seek with our souls.
Would God make sport of such a thing?
His written word has been there for centuries. Its no game. All who love God and Jesus, listen to them--Man does not live by bread alone, but by every utterance from God=OT-NT--taught by the teachers lead by Jesus to the flock without fail--All can look at their teachers right now to see if its being done or not. If not-they are blind guides getting paid to teach dogmas and little of what Jesus taught, or God taught. Its that simple-You all need to look. Those teachers are these-2Cor 11:12-15) that fail to teach every utterance to the flock.
My teachers do it for 0 pay.
 

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1Cor 8:6--There is one God to all-The Father.
John 14:9 He who has seen Me has seen the Father; so how can you say, 'Show us the Father'?
John 1:1--And the word was God.= error. Otherwise the word would have to be the Father but the word is not the Father, the word is the son.
John 14:9 He who has seen Me has seen the Father;
 

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1Cor 8:6--There is one God to all-The Father.
John 1:1--And the word was God.= error. Otherwise the word would have to be the Father but the word is not the Father, the word is the son.
The Word (Logos) was neither. (Father or Son)
The Word became... BECAME flesh...
 

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John 14:9 He who has seen Me has seen the Father; so how can you say, 'Show us the Father'?

John 14:9 He who has seen Me has seen the Father;
Yes the Fathers image. Not the Father, The Father was in heaven--Our FATHER who art in heaven--See again you refuse to listen to Jesus to be able to determine truth.
 

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Yes the Fathers image. Not the Father, The Father was in heaven--Our FATHER who art in heaven--See again you refuse to listen to Jesus to be able to determine truth.
I view Jesus and the Holy Spirit as extensions or "avatars" of God. Do you believe that might be true?

Isaiah 44:6 ESV​

Thus says the Lord, the King of Israel and his Redeemer, the Lord of hosts: “I am the first and I am the last; besides me there is no god.
 

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I view Jesus and the Holy Spirit as extensions or "avatars" of God. Do you believe that might be true?

Isaiah 44:6 ESV​

Thus says the Lord, the King of Israel and his Redeemer, the Lord of hosts: “I am the first and I am the last; besides me there is no god.
Actually 44:6 says--Thus says YHWH(Jehovah) ,the king of Israel and his redeemer, YHWH(Jehovah) of armies-i am the first and the last, beside me( singular, not we) there is no God).-- Trinity translations are altered with the removal of Gods name, over 7000 spots. Every spot in OT where GOD or LORD all capitols is--removed to mislead. Over 200 spots-NT where the OT is quoted.
 

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Actually 44:6 says--Thus says YHWH(Jehovah) ,the king of Israel and his redeemer, YHWH(Jehovah) of armies-i am the first and the last, beside me( singular, not we) there is no God).-- Trinity translations are altered with the removal of Gods name, over 7000 spots. Every spot in OT where GOD or LORD all capitols is--removed to mislead. Over 200 spots-NT where the OT is quoted.

Which translation are you using, please?
 

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Which translation are you using, please?
The New world translation. The translators had the love and respect for Gods will over satans will to put his name back where he inspired it because its his will for it to be there, all the trinity religions condemned them, because they live by the altered versions that support satans will over Gods will on that matter. The name was removed to mislead by satans will through wicked men who had no right to remove Gods name.
 

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The New world translation. The translators had the love and respect for Gods will over satans will to put his name back where he inspired it because its his will for it to be there, all the trinity religions condemned them, because they live by the altered versions that support satans will over Gods will on that matter. The name was removed to mislead by satans will through wicked men who had no right to remove Gods name.

Thank you.