Does Christian Universalism sidestep the justice of God?

[MatthewG]

Seeya people fight so much on here its embarssing.


Imagine if Jesus christ came back and see people arguing, and making a mockery of his Father.

@face2face its shameful

See ya i already know the bible and God knows those who worship him in spirit and in truth.

 

[Jack]

The Lake of Fire is a figurative term for the total destruction of the enemy at the end times.

You should read the Bible some time.

Matthew 25
41 Then He will also say to those on the left hand, 'Depart from Me, you cursed, into the everlasting fire prepared for the devil and his angels:
Revelation 20:10
10 The devil, who deceived them, was cast into the lake of fire and brimstone where the beast and the false prophet are. And they will be tormented day and night forever and ever.

It's not literal and its not the imaginary place Christians have made it out to be.

I'm really sorry that you don't believe in eternal life!

Matthew 25
46 And these will go away into everlasting punishment, but the righteous into everlasting life.

Same Greek word!

Universal salvationism is in the same class as those who believe the earth is flat!
F2F

Hell will be filled with people who don't believe in Hell.

 

[face2face]

Philosophical religious jargon engaged has the appearance of intelligence. Ultimately it's hot air blown out of the end of a digestive tract. It does nothing to draw men to their Redeemer.

A person must be willing to learn how the Creator has communicated His will. That involves better understand the nuances of the Bible. Patrick was shown and he disregarded just as SteVen had been shown many many times and he did likewise. Bible Literalism destroys the text in most cases because we are not willing to get into the Word, its context and deeper meaning. It's tough because not all hold the skills to do this - it must be taught.
F2F

 

[MatthewG]

Well,

Titus 3:10

Warn a divisive person once, and then warn them a second time. After that, have nothing to do with them.

Paul gave this wise advice to Titus, may be good to use.

Let God deal with them. Move on.

 

[ByGraceThroughFaith]

All the best, @face2face and to everyone else cause finally back to working i dont care people fighti g and bickerin on here.


Jesus christ isnt a clique we join where one side is right and one side is wrong.


Arent all one in Christ? Despite the doctrines they hold?

Heretics are NOT "one" with Jesus Christ!

This is modernistic HERESY

 

[face2face]

It's mainstream Christianity that elevates Satan above Jesus by deeming that the "Gates of Hell" WILL prevail

For many in the earth the grave (gates of hell) will prevail - they will remain there never to come out!

and that Jesus will not only be incapable of bringing all to him,

And many of those who sleep in the dust of the earth shall awake, some to everlasting life, and some to shame and everlasting contempt. Dan 12:2

Many not all
Some to receive immortality
Some to to to the grave in shame

but that he will then torture them FOREVER.

That is their warped theology, not mine.

No torture~! Christians in their imaginations have been watching too many Hollywood movies.

F2F

 

[St. SteVen]

No, you're not in the same boat mate.

Thanks. I appreciate you.

To do this using the scriptures, it is helpful to understand some Hebrew rationale.

Could you unpack that a bit more? Some Hebrew rationale?

 

[MatthewG]

@ByGraceThroughFaith

Hey ill let God judge.

You and no one else is the judge.

Paul says if he doesnt love he is equated to nothing.

Best love now before you die and allow people do decide for themselves.

Titus 3:10

Warn a divisive person once, and then warn them a second time. After that, have nothing to do with them.

Its amazing how worked up the flesh gets when they hate someone who comes at a different angle best let go and let God judge and love them before you die.

Like i said its shameful the way people act in the name of Christ snd i aint no saint,

 

[MatthewG]

And dont let man decive you.

 

[St. SteVen]

Philosophical religious jargon engaged has the appearance of intelligence.

I have a similar problem with some of the pseudo-biblical garbage I see spewed on the forum.
Statements that uses biblical sounding terms to make a point. The biblical equivalent of mixed metaphors. - LOL

 

[face2face]

Lamentations 3:22-23 NIV
Because of the Lord’s great love we are not consumed,
for his compassions never fail.
23 They are new every morning;
great is your faithfulness

This must be balanced against the reality that blood flowed through the streets of Jerusalem as the prophet wept over a lost city. To speak of God as only being Good by removing His Severity is unwise and like all of your posts its an unbalanced view of God and His Truth.
F2F

 

[face2face]

I have a similar problem with some of the pseudo-biblical garbage I see spewed on the forum.
Statements that uses biblical sounding terms to make a point. The biblical equivalent of mixed metaphors. - LOL

It's because you speak at the Word of God, from a distance and yet to get your hands dirty!

 

[St. SteVen]

Heretics are NOT "one" with Jesus Christ!

Wasn't Jesus heretical? Aren't we ONE with him?

Was Jesus Heretical? - Why did they crucify Him?

Follow-up to the Was Jesus Orthodox? (or Baptist) topic. The previous thread examined the term 'orthodox". This thread will focus on the term "heretical". In the same way that something is not considered orthodox, it may also be termed as heretical. Thus labeling the person targeted as a...

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[MatthewG]

Warn a divisive person once, and then warn them a second time. After that, have nothing to do with them.

This relates mainly to spiritual side of things.

By the way, @ByGraceThroughFaith

There is only so much one can do. I rather just walk away and allow them to believe the way they do because at the end of the day.

Human beings are freewilled. They are gonna decide what they are gonna do, say, and believe. God made it this way; so that in the face of adversity; we can say hey you know i disagree with you, but you can decide for yourself, and i love you.

Because when you die you are gonna be responsible for yourself and what you believed in your heart.

You can talk about it once or twice maybe again in ayear cause some people may change their mind.

However once or twice on here; there aint not point in going in circles.

Its stupid and waste of time; God gonna judge them just like you and me; for all the good and evil we did and all us are gonna be awarded justly.

 

[quietthinker]

Thanks. I appreciate you.

Could you unpack that a bit more? Some Hebrew rationale?

The Hebrew catch cry is 'God is one'. This might sound basic enough to us yet what it also says is there is no other supernatural being who influences events. This is a surprise to most Christians.

The Hebrews believed God is responsible for every occurrence both good and bad. here is a representative text of how they understood, Isaiah 45:7 'I form the light, and create darkness: I make peace, and create evil: I the Lord do all these things.

They wrote from this perspective. They held this error and still hold it, though modified somewhat. It is Jesus who clarifies the matter. He clearly states it is Satan who is responsible for anything destructive. Again, a representative text, John 10:10, 'The thief cometh not, but for to steal, and to kill, and to destroy: I am come that they might have life, and that they might have it more abundantly.

Satan is only mentioned 3 times in the OT. They understood Satan to be like we would see a prosecutor; one whose job is tasked to bring out the truth. They did not see Satan as an evil being anymore than we see a prosecutor as an evil being.

There is plenty more to be said on this and unless folk are particularly interested I will not labour it.

 

[face2face]

Do you both @quietthinker @St. SteVen believe in the full definition of Apocatastasis?

 

[St. SteVen]

The Hebrew catch cry is 'God is one'. This might sound basic enough to us yet what it also says is there is no other supernatural being who influences events. This is a surprise to most Christians.

Yes, that is surprising AND very interesting, Thanks.
Very informative post, I suspected there was something to that.

They did not see Satan as an evil being anymore than we see a prosecutor as an evil being.

Don't they have lawyer jokes in Aussie-land?

How can you tell when a lawyer is lying?
Their lips move. - LOL

 

[quietthinker]

Do you both @quietthinker @St. SteVen believe in the full definition of Apocatastasis?

The good news is that God is into remedying sin and its consequences, suffering and ultimately death. These 'elements' will be completely wiped off and out of the Universe in the most surprising way. The book of Revelation tells us this solution is embodied in the slaughtered lamb.

 

[face2face]

The good news is that God is into remedying sin and its consequences, suffering and ultimately death. These 'elements' will be completely wiped off and out of the Universe in the most surprising way. The book of Revelation tells us this solution is embodied in the slaughtered lamb.

That's not what I asked though quiet.
Do you and Steve believe in the full definition of Apocatastasis?
F2F

 

[quietthinker]

That's not what I asked though quiet.
Do you and Steve believe in the full definition of Apocatastasis?
F2F

Have you heard my answer F2F? ....it would answer your question