Also the Spirit doesn't always give me an answer straight away. So if I don't answer its not that I'm avoiding you but it's that I haven't received an answer from Him.
Doctrinolatry - tribalism and division in the Body of Christ
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Ronald David Bruno
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Sounds like an oxymoron.
Let's break it down. A Biblical doctrine is a teaching of Biblical truth. An opinion is not necessarily truth.
So a "truth opinion" is an oxymoron. Thise words should not be together.
It's like saying "Jesus opinion ..." Jesus is the truth. Truth is not an opinion. An opinion is not necessarily based on fact or knowledge. Jesus has no opinions, just truth. The word is His truth.
So there are numerous truths in the Bible that both Catholic and Protestant priests, Pastors, theologians, scholars, throughout generations have agreed upon. Then there are mysteries, non-essentials that have become issues that create divisions.
St SteVen seems to present problems and opinions about the whole nine yards. You have this angst about most doctrines that are fundamentals across the board. You do not have faith in the reliability of scripture - so then you begin to pick and choose the ones that fit your fancy in your liberal ball of contempt. Receive and accept the Bible in its entirety, it is the Word of God! It seems you are still rebellious, wrestling with the Word at every turn?
Taken
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God Himself Established DIVISION…
“For a purpose”.
* DIVISION established a means FOR manKIND to have FREE-WILL to make CHOICES…between this and that which God DIVIDED.
* The free-will choices manKIND makes…
SHALL “determine”….each mans FINAL FOREVER CONSEQUENCE…
* God SHALL SEPARATE the DIVIDED standing “WITH” Him….FROM the DIVIDED standing “WITHOUT” Him.
* And every mans FINAL Consequence SHALL BECOME MANIFESTED…
“WITH….or WITHOUT God FOREVER”.
* Some individuals ALREADY KNOW their eternal FATE…WITH or WITHOUT God…
Others HOPE,
Others DO NOT CARE; (que sera sera)
*Not a MYSTERY to God…He already Knows…and AND Has already PREPARED “a place FOR EVERY single individual Human beings ETERNAL fate and destination”.
Glory to God,
Taken
Ronald David Bruno
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You need to ask yourself, "What's my purpose with all these threads filled with doubts about the Bible and Christianity?
That's easy.
I don't want to end up like you.
I'm trying to help you.
--- PARODY ---
Christian: You should become a Christian.
Victim: Why on earth would I want to do that?
Christian: Huh? What do you mean?
Victim: Christians are the worst people on the planet.
Christian: No, sinners like you are the worst.
Victim: Seriously?
Christian: Yes, that's what the Bible says.
Victim: Doesn't it also say not to judge others?
Christian: I'm not judging you. That will come later.
Victim: Like when?
Christian: After you die without Christ.
Victim: Are you talking about a forever burning hell?
Christian: Yes, that's where you are going.
Victim: How would you know?
Christian: Again, that's what the Bible says.
Victim: But what do you say?
Christian: I agree with the Bible.
Victim: You are proving my point about why I don't want to be a Christian.
Christian: Why not?
Victim: I don't want to be like you.
Indeed.
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Ronald David Bruno
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I don't believe in eternal damnation and I thoroughly explained it to you on other threads. But you will never be like me or any other human. You are you. But you should desire to be like Jesus. So if Jesus appeared to you today and recited Romans 1:18-32, would you throw down a hissy fit and argue with Him too?
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LOL
If Jesus appeared to me today and recited Romans 1:18-32, he would be like you, not like Jesus.
You told us that you don't believe in eternal damnation. Shouldn't Jesus be recited Romans 1:18-32 to you?
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Ronald David Bruno
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Being damned to the Lake of Fire is being destroyed - quickly. Otherwise it would be an indestructible destruction- a contradiction. The fire will be hot ... only seconds and it's over.
That passage does not include any details about the Lake of Fire, just wrath and judgment. I picked that one out especially for you. It rubs you wrong - like numerous other scriptures.
Listen, my advice to you is, get off this rebellious path, trying to distort, exclude or redefine scripture. Take it literally, most of it is communicated that way - so we would understand it.
And that makes it okay?
Rubs me the wrong way? I'm used to it. No worries.
LOL
The church lied to you. (me too)
I'm still recovering from the horrible teachings.
Annihilationism is the gateway drug to full-blown Universalism. You are halfway there. Kudos.
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Ronald David Bruno
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Universalism is a false theology that contradicts the Bible. You would have to disregard the meaning of death, which is what Christians are saved from. With this mindset there is no law, no obedience required ... One can live the way you choose ... maybe you'll suffer a little for it but in the end, we all make it - how convenient a philosophy - but a lie from Satan.
Death comes in two parts, physical death and spiritual death, which we all experience. We are actually physically born with a dead spirit, spiritually disconnected with God. We remain that way unless we are given LIFE through CHRIST. HE transforms our dead spirits, washes away our sins and we are spiritually born again (John 3:3). We become new creatures in Christ. It is evident that not everyone believes in Christ, calls Him Lord, follows and worships Him.
If by the time a person dies, He has not received this transformed SPIRITUAL LIFE which Christ offers, then he remains lost, dead, and faces judgment.
That is the story.
>>> You do not accept it and that's your dilemma.<<<
The idea of Universalism gives you a Get OUT Of JAIL FREE card, on the reverse side it says mercy, forgiveness and justification for ALL. It allows you to remain in your sin, lifestyle ... whether Christ changes you or not. There are too many scriptures you would have to delete and distort to come to that conclusion and that is what the Universalist does, picks and chooses scriptures that works for him and discards the rest. It suggests that all paths, all religions or atheism lead to God and heaven. NOPE!
| “Enter through the narrow gate; for the gate is wide and the way is broad that leads to destruction, and there are many who enter through it. For the gate is small and the way is narrow that leads to life, and there are few who find it” Matt. 7: 13-14 |
"And do not fear those who kill the body but cannot kill the soul. Rather fear him who can destroy both soul and body in hell"..Matt. 10:28
Jesus reiterates His message over and over again. His disciples do as well. The Bible urges us to choose the path to God by believing in Jesus ... or else die in your sins.
He who believes in the Son has everlasting life; and he who does not believe the Son shall not see life, but the wrath of God abides on him". John 3:36
And these shall go away to age-lasting punishment, but the righteous to eternal life. Matt. 25:46
>> "aionios" has variable meanings.<< When applied to our physical realm that is temporal and will pass away, it means ages, lifetimes, generations, etc. So everlasting really means age-lasting or age- during. When it is applied to God, His domain, it means eternal or with our salvation forward infinitely.
Hades and all who are in it, Hell, (the Lake of Fire), the 1st earth and heavens, Satan and His demons are temporal, (finite). Even death itself will be destroyed. 2 Peter 3:10 describes this horrific event when all temporal things are annihilated, " all former things shall pass away".
But hey, most of your threads are in the Unorthodox section, where they belong. Just know with 11k posts, none of them lead any true Christian astray, if that is your purpose. There are 20 or so Universalists on this forum, 2-3% of Christianity as a whole - your measly support group.
I don't know if you believe in Jesus? All scripture is His words so, not believing in some of them is a reflection of your belief in Him, filled with doubts, half truths, confusion, rebelliousness ... not firm belief, not exactly the fear of God, which is the beginning of knowledge and wisdom.
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