Your bargain with the grave will not stand
yes, currently; that is your current belief? "Before or after Jesus' ascension" huh?
not your body, but your body and soul? hmm.
Correction:
Before Christ Jesus returns to Earth:
MY Physically DEAD BODY, will be buried.
My living soul, My Quickened spirit wool go to Heaven.
Can't speak for you.
Ok, "soul" and "life" are the ezack same thing, right?
Not exactly.
Soul is something God Made for man.
Isa 57:16
[
16] ...the
souls which I have made.
God is Life.
God Life in a soul.
God imparts a soul with His Life into a body.
The Body (Form/ body, called man) becomes a Living soul and The Life (blood) of the Form (Body), begins its own individual living.
You do not "have" a soul, iow, except in a colloquial sense?
I do have a soul. My soul is "accounted" as MINE.
It is IN MY Body.
It is identified with the same NAME, as MY Body.
However, the difference IS:
My soul (and all souls) belong to God.
Life in my soul (and all souls) belongs to God.
My Body belonged to me.
Life (blood) in my Body belonged to me.
(Belonged)...past tense, Because I willingly GAVE, my Life (blood), my (body), TO God, on the day, I was CRUCIFIED "with Christ".
My Life, (blood) shall remain DEAD.
My Body, (temporarily) remains Dead.
My spirit was Quickened, that same day.
It received Gods Seed, was born Again of Gods Seed, and thus:
My (forgiven, restored, SAVED, living soul, &
My now living spirit,
Now "lives" temporarily", IN Christ's Living, risen in Glory, BODY. (Because, my Body is accounted dead, crucified, with Christ.)
I have a Spiritual Life "IN Christ" now.
It is a preparation accomplished, ready, prepared, FOR the Day, WHEN, Christ Jesus "descends From Heaven"..."To the Clouds"...
To...Redeem...(take, Claim, Call UP TO Him..HIS Church)
First, to go UP TO Him ARE, Physically DEAD Bodies. What Christ Jesus has WITH Him is Their Saved Souls, & Quickened spirits, that have been WITH Him in Heaven.
Their body's were raised up out of their graves, in a glorious bod, and their Saved soul and Quickened spirits are Imparted into their glorious body's.
Secondly to go UP TO Him, are the living body's, who Were Spiritually Crucified With Christ, whose Physical Body's have not yet Physically died...
Theirs Saved souls and Quickened spirits are still in them...their body's are raised in a glorified body.
Then is...Christ's Church...gathered Together With Christ Jesus, IN the air...every member...
Saved souls, Quickened spirits, in their own glorious risen Immortal Body, WITH and SEEING Christ Jesus, as He is...in His Glorious Body.
^ THAT is the Rapture (meaning a QUICK, taking, Redeeming,) BY Christ Jesus, OF Specifically, Those men God Gave To Jesus, that Jesus called His Church.
The "True" Church is NOT, Protestant, catholic, Jewish, Islam, Buddhist, etc.
The "TRUE" Church is Christs Church...members who are IN Christ...
Sav-ED souls, Quicken-ED spirits and waiting for their (glorious immortal) Body's to be "gathered together & RAISED UP "TO Him".
They are UP ABOVE the Earth With Christ Jesus...as Christ Jesus "Begins" The the period of Wrath upon the Earth, AKA,
The GREAT Tribulation, (as the world has never seen before).
Every living person left UPON the Earth...is without a Saved soul and without a Quickened spirit...They ALL shall be Subject to ONE level of Wrath...and (some will have their souls Saved, their spirits Quickened, their Body's KILLED)...and NOT experience the Increased levels of Wrath.
Some will experience the Fullness of The Wrath; Hope for Bodily death, to Stop their experiencing the Wrath, and they Will not be able to Bodily DIE...until God has finished with His Vengence...
(Which IS Gods Punishment UPON non- believers...WHO persecuted Believers...Because THEY Believed.
Point is:
Everyone is an individual, with FREEWILL, to choose The Lords WAY, or their OWN WAY...
An individual choosing The Lords WAY, Shall be PREPARED, for the day Of His choosing to Take (Redeem) them unto Himself.
Those Not Prepared, Shall suffer Wrath...
Until they ARE prepared...or by their OWN FREEWILL Forever Be Separated From the Lord God Almighty.
Matt 12:
[
30]
He that is not with me is against me;
Anyway, he who seeks to save his soul gone' lose it
Correct. "he" / "his"....is a man.
The Lord is the savior of souls, not human men.
There is only One Immortal
Correct. Jesus "our Example for men to See and Testify of what they saw"...was sent forth out from God, in a flesh body prepared of God, to give that Body & blood, for an Offering of Forgiveness and Salvation and Life to all men OF the world, who choose to Accept His Offering.
Jesus' body was Killed, and Jesus' Body was Risen Up to the Clouds IN a glorious Immortal Body...SAME a man IN Christ "will". experience.
(And WHY, until the day, their body IS risen up Immortal; they LIVE "IN CHRIST'S" Body.)
No one has ever gone up to heaven
No "ONE" "WHAT" exactly?
The Same which came "Down" from Heaven!
And What exactly came DOWN from Heaven?
Jesus Body.
Did humans Body's Come Down from Heaven?
No. they came from dust of the Earth and return to dust of the Earth.
So no, no man (body) has gone up to Heaven, except the ONE (Jesus) which came down from Heaven.
You and your sons will be here with me
All go to the same place
lillies of the field
Sure. All human body's OF mankind...
Come out of the dust of the Earth, and return to dust of the Earth...
And Redemption...is at The Lord Gods pleasure OF WHEN and WHICH Body's He Shall Raise Up...Immortal...(and Judge Saved and keep with Him) and WHEN and WHICH Body's He shall raise up "mortal" (and Judge
Unsaved and Sentence them to Distruction...Life in the soul returned to God...and the body and soul destroyed...)
and Adam became a living soul
Before Adam "Became"...Adam was A CREATED And formed Body, called MAN...
WHAT Adam WAS, didn't change. He was still Adam, a body, a man out of the Earth.
What Changed...was his Body became Alive...
His blood (his life) became Alive...the moment he received Life from Gods Breath...Gods Life, in a soul that belongs to God, yet has the name Adam.
Ezek 18:
[4] Behold, all souls are mine;
Man has extensive control over HIS Body, His Life (blood) in his body.
Man can Kill his Body. Man can Kill other men's Body's.
The Body IS MORTAL ( which means, it Shall DIE)... and Men CAN KILL it, and The Blood LIFE in the Body Will DIE, and the Body will rot and return to dust of the Earth.
But men can NOT Kill a SOUL. Men can NOT Kill the LIFE IN a soul. Not his own within him, called by his Name, not an others.
Men can NOT Kill a Quickened (born Again ) spirit or the LIFE in that spirit...in himself or an other man.
me? evidence? you mean like facts or truth or whatever? i got nothin, sorry. And dont be quoting me either pls k :)
The Knowledge of the Facts ARE IN Gods WORD. All have an advantage of having Written Knowledge. We who ARE "IN Christ" have an advantage of having the Written Knowledge AND availability of Gods Understanding of the Knowledge...By the presence of the Lords Spirit "Within us."
That IS a conundrum ^... unto Satan..brilliant with Knowledge..(like many men who read and read the knowledge...but do not Have the Lords spirit within them...to Have the Understanding of Gods Word). Philosophers, and many men rely on their Minds logic to try and weigh, figure, Cipher Gods Understanding of Gods Word...and it's a fail...and WHY there are umpteen different taught Philosophies "out of umpteen conclusions of men's minds" taught as This or That umpteen Religions.
IMO - the Catholics and Muslims are the Boldest of All...proudly teaching "their" Understanding of God..."according TO"...the Philosophies of men...(their pope and Mohammad, both, human men).
your bargain with death will be annulled
your agreement with Sheol will not stand
when the terrible enemy sweeps through,
you will be trampled into the ground
Mine? No.
My "bargin" was made with Christ the Lord.
MY willing Bodily Death For His Gift of Eternal Life.
I Trust He IS Faithful to Do as He Promised.
So what you claim, may apply to you. And certainly may apply to Others, but Does Not APPLY TO me...or any other man who has chosen to become Prepared IN Christ.
Glory to God,
Taken