Do non-Christians go to Hell after death?

[MatthewG]

Hello @Aunty Jane,

Thank you for sharing your personal beliefs concerning, the subjects you brought up. People didn't come out of Hades until it was poured out and those within it were judged. I don't believe anyone goes to Hades today. I don't believe in eternal death (especially with Yeshua having overcame all death) , I don't believe in soul sleep, and those are some of my subjective personally believed beliefs. I don't feel the need to discuss them with you though but just obliged you in conveying mine with yours. Of course people are going to differ, and how many years one has studied the bible does not matter to me. Everyone will choose to believe how they will believe and that is perfectly fine with me.

To me people: die, are judged then, and are placed without or going within the City of Heavenly Jerusalem...

It may be seen differently if people don't believe Jesus has returned... people are still dying, waiting in hell, either on the paradise side or the other side, with the angels in darkness chained even further down the line reserved for judgment, the devil is still around... People are waiting in the "grave" for Yeshua to come back. A lot of things that just don't make sense to me, but it does to them, and that is okay.

Cause a persons salvation is worked out on their own, what they have faith in is worked out on their own, with God.

 

[Hobie]

Let's use an average Muslim woman from Indonesia as an example. She was raised to believe Islam and that all other belief systems are lies. She leads an unremarkable life and doesn't engage in criminal activities and is a loving daughter, wife, and mother. When she dies, will she go to Hell?

Let rather look at the average Christian man or woman and see if they go straight to heaven without any judgement even if they continue in sin and are under bondage to Satan. Of course not, Christ even clearly declares it.

Matthew 7:23
And then will I profess unto them, I never knew you: depart from me, ye that work iniquity.

Matthew 13:41
The Son of man shall send forth his angels, and they shall gather out of his kingdom all things that offend, and them which do iniquity;

Matthew 23:28
Even so ye also outwardly appear righteous unto men, but within ye are full of hypocrisy and iniquity.

Matthew 24:12
And because iniquity shall abound, the love of many shall wax cold.

Luke 13:27
But he shall say, I tell you, I know you not whence ye are; depart from me, all ye workers of iniquity.

 

[MatthewG]

Hello @Hobie,

Wasn't Jesus was living and under the law at that current time. He is speaking of those who were obsessed with worshiping the Law, rather than listening to Yahavah, and rejected the Word of God, made flesh. Before Yeshuas completion and replacing that old Covenant with the new. Not saying that the Law was bad, it was good, and is spiritual however can and only was done in the Lord Yeshua, and the flesh continues to fail, though we can ask the Father in heaven to help us by the holy spirt/spirit of Christ, praying and asking for help in Jesus name.

 

[Hobie]

Hello @Hobie,

Wasn't Jesus was living and under the law at that current time. He is speaking of those who were obsessed with worshiping the Law, rather than listening to Yahavah, and rejected the Word of God, made flesh. Before Yeshuas completion and replacing that old Covenant with the new. Not saying that the Law was bad, it was good, and is spiritual however can and only was done in the Lord Yeshua, and the flesh continues to fail, though we can ask the Father in heaven to help us by the holy spirt/spirit of Christ, praying and asking for help in Jesus name.

Christ decides who will be given eternal life so its not of ourselves, we are not immortal, and He will judge the wicked at the end, so no one has gone to 'Hell' till they are judged, and then they will meet their end....

 

[MatthewG]

Hello @Hobie,

That was not an answer to the question that was asked. Thank you though, for your thoughts and input.

 

[Hobie]

Hello @Hobie,

That was not an answer to the question that was asked. Thank you though, for your thoughts and input.

The Law does not change or go away just because we wish it. As long as God is there, it exists and transgression of it is given..

1 John 3:4
Whosoever committeth sin transgresseth also the law: for sin is the transgression of the law.

 

[MatthewG]

Hello @Hobie,

While you can quote scripture. I know it already fairly well by having spent time to read it. I don’t think it’s good to murder, I don’t think it’s good to steal, I don’t think it’s good to cause discord with others. My body sometimes fails in that. I tend to hate others sometimes which is equal to murder, I sometimes steal time away from others, I sometimes sow discord among others. My failures are known to me, and that is why even though I still fail, it’s Jesus Christ in me that does the good things which please God through me.

I could quote more scripture at you, but you surely know it fairly well, as a hope of mine? But quoting scripture just a single verse at a time doesn’t equate to much at all. Surely you know that.

You still have ignored the question all together, however that is fine. You do as must and as you see fit.

 

[Hobie]

Hello @Hobie,

While you can quote scripture. I know it already fairly well by having spent time to read it. I don’t think it’s good to murder, I don’t think it’s good to steal, I don’t think it’s good to cause discord with others. My body sometimes fails in that. I tend to hate others sometimes which is equal to murder, I sometimes steal time away from others, I sometimes sow discord among others. My failures are known to me, and that is why even though I still fail, it’s Jesus Christ in me that does the good things which please God through me.

I could quote more scripture at you, but you surely know it fairly well, as a hope of mine? But quoting scripture just a single verse at a time doesn’t equate to much at all. Surely you know that.

You still have ignored the question all together, however that is fine. You do as must and as you see fit.

Lets go over an explanation on understanding the New Covenant. God created Adam and Eve in his image but in the fall they, along with all mankind, began the downward spiral of corruption. It came to the point at the time of Noah that God was sorry that He made man because their thoughts were now evil continually.

But now God wants us to hear and obey Him as obedient children. Under the old covenant the Ten Commandments were given to understanding of Gods character, and guard against the wrong actions of man.

The Ten Commandments carried a harsh consequence for breaking them. This brought fear upon the people to be obedient to them, at least outwardly.

Outward obedience resulted but God is concerned with the heart. God is looking for a people to obey Him from the heart, not for fear of death or punishment.

The ministry of stone, regarding the Ten Commandments, was meant to bring life but instead they brought death. Why is this? Because the curse of the law, which followed the law on stone because of sin.

Sin brings about the curse of death from the law. It's not the law that brings the death, but rather, the sin.

Under the New Covenant Jesus took the curse away when He became sin and died on the cross. He did not take the law away for the law is holy and good, He took away the curse for the sin.

The law brings liberty to mankind. Without the law this world would be in total chaos. Life without law brings destruction and bondage of all kinds of wickedness.

Once Jesus did away with the curse He freed us from the grip of the law, in other words, the law is no longer a threat to us who are in Christ. This frees us up to obey the law from our own free will because we love and appreciate what God has done for us through His Son. In this, God is writing the law on our hearts, in other words, we are not obeying the law out of fear of death or punishment, but rather, we are obeying from the heart because of love and gratitude, this is the New Covenant. God frees us from the grip of the law because of sin to allow us to freely obey the law because of love. In this, the law goes from stone to the heart.

Hebrews 8:10-13 "For this is the covenant that I will make with the house of Israel: After those days,'' says the Lord, "I will put My laws in their mind and write them on their hearts; and I will be their God, and they shall be My people. "None of them shall teach his neighbor, and none his brother, saying,`Know the Lord,' for all shall know Me, from the least of them to the greatest of them. "For I will be merciful to their unrighteousness, and their sins and their lawless deeds I will remember no more.'' In that He says, "A new covenant,'' He has made the first obsolete. Now what is becoming obsolete and growing old is ready to vanish away.

The Ten Commandments are the foundation of love for God and love for neighbor. The first four teaches us how to love God and the last six teaches us how to love others.

The Ten Commandment's are not to be a rigid law of bondage, but rather, the Spirit of God impresses us to live by them through love. Jesus brought this understanding to us in His life and in His teachings. He showed us that keeping the law for the sake of keeping the law was not what God was looking for. God is looking for a people to love Him and to love each other in which this love is manifested through keeping the law. In this, Jesus was magnifying the law and bringing honor to it.

Isaiah 42:1 "Behold! My Servant whom I uphold, My Elect One in whom My soul delights! I have put My Spirit upon Him; He will bring forth justice to the Gentiles.
Isaiah 42:21 The Lord is well pleased for His righteousness' sake; He will magnify the law and make it honorable.

 

[Hobie]

Now, if you look you will see the old and the new Covenant are the same. Today, many Christians have failed to grasp the meaning of the two covenants, they were both by faith.

A covenant, in the ancient Near East in general and in Old Testament times specifically, was a solemn promise and/or agreement, often confirmed by an oath. There is still much misunderstanding about the most elementary significance of the covenants, their relationship with law and salvation, and especially to how it relates to Christians today. If you ask the question, "When did the old covenant begin?" most people would say on Sinai, when the law was given. But if you ask, "When did the new covenant begin?" the answers are all over the place, but one text can clarify the situation.

Jeremiah 31:31-33
“31 Behold, the days come, saith the Lord, that I will make a new covenant with the house of Israel, and with the house of Judah:
32 Not according to the covenant that I made with their fathers in the day that I took them by the hand to bring them out of the land of Egypt; which my covenant they brake, although I was an husband unto them, saith the Lord:
33 But this shall be the covenant that I will make with the house of Israel; After those days, saith the Lord, I will put my law in their inward parts, and write it in their hearts; and will be their God, and they shall be my people.

This text contains the basic elements of both covenants and also helps in understanding them.

The old covenant has the time, "I took them by the hand to bring them out of the land of Egypt".
It has the covenant partners, "I will make a new covenant with the house of Israel, and with the house of Judah:"
It has the covenant objective, "I will put my law in their inward parts, and write it in their hearts; and will be their God, and they shall be my people.
It has the covenant conditions, "my law"
Now let’s look at the new covenant in Hebrews 8:8-10:

“8 For finding fault with them, he saith, Behold, the days come, saith the Lord, when I will make a new covenant with the house of Israel and with the house of Judah:
9 Not according to the covenant that I made with their fathers in the day when I took them by the hand to lead them out of the land of Egypt; because they continued not in my covenant, and I regarded them not, saith the Lord.
10 For this is the covenant that I will make with the house of Israel after those days, saith the Lord; I will put my laws into their mind, and write them in their hearts: and I will be to them a God, and they shall be to me a people:"

Using the same passage which is repeated, the same elements are found for the New Testament, except for the difference in time.”

The new covenant has the time, "Behold, the days come".
It has the covenant partners, "a new covenant with the house of Israel and with the house of Judah:"
It has the covenant objective, " I will put my laws into their mind, and write them in their hearts: and I will be to them a God, and they shall be to me a people:".
It has the covenant conditions, "my laws"
So except for the time element, there is no difference between the two covenants. The covenant partners are the same, the covenant objective is the same, and the covenant conditions are the same. The old Covenant and the new Covenant are the same, it was by faith and denying self and trusting in God, and we are transformed.

 

[MatthewG]

Hello @Hobie,

I didn’t ask for all of that. I just asked a simple question. It’s alright you didn’t want to answer in the first place. This is the problem with communication most of the time. Knowledge doesn’t equate to faith and it’s faith that pleases Yahavah/God.

If you want to answer my original question that would be preferred but if you rather not at all that is also fine too.

 

[Hobie]

Hello @Hobie,

I didn’t ask for all of that. I just asked a simple question. It’s alright you didn’t want to answer in the first place. This is the problem with communication most of the time. Knowledge doesn’t equate to faith and it’s faith that pleases Yahavah/God.

If you want to answer my original question that would be preferred but if you rather not at all that is also fine too.

The whole Bible is about overcoming sin through Christ, so to say you keep sinning because the flesh is weak so its ok for you to do it, is falling right into Satans hands.

 

[MatthewG]

Hello @Hobie,

I simply asked wasn't Jesus living under law, at the time he was alive. The Law today is no longer alive when it comes down to "Law of Moses," while it is spiritual and good, the ordinances were nailed to the cross. The only transgression of the "law" today is when it comes to the "law of Christ." While I thank you for your conversation, there was no need for as much as you have provided me; basic and simple answers are preferred. That law of Christ, would be to believe on him and the one whom had sent him, to love God and to love others, which is and only is filled by and through him in walking by the spirit and in faith. Not the flesh.

All the best to you. To most they condescend me, as some silly unantiquated person who doesn't know anything. And I thank you for that.

 

[Hobie]

Hello @Hobie,

I simply asked wasn't Jesus living under law, at the time he was alive. The Law today is no longer alive when it comes down to "Law of Moses," while it is spiritual and good, the ordinances were nailed to the cross. The only transgression of the "law" today is when it comes to the "law of Christ." While I thank you for your conversation, there was no need for as much as you have provided me; basic and simple answers are preferred. That law of Christ, would be to believe on him and the one whom had sent him, to love God and to love others, which is and only is filled by and through him in walking by the spirit and in faith. Not the flesh.

All the best to you. To most they condescend me, as some silly unantiquated person who doesn't know anything. And I thank you for that.

Well, if the Law is dead, then your spouse is free to go with any other person she wants, and anyone can steal from your or murder you. Is that true, of course not, that is sin, (trangression of Gods Law)..

 

[MatthewG]

Hello @Hobie,

It's fulfilled by Jesus Christ, and therefore it's Jesus through people that makes them realize it's not good to murder, steal, etc... but it doesn't mean we live by those laws, we live by the holy spirit/spirit of Christ.

 

[Hobie]

Hello @Hobie,

It's fulfilled by Jesus Christ, and therefore it's Jesus through people that makes them realize it's not good to murder, steal, etc... but it doesn't mean we live by those laws, we live by the holy spirit/spirit of Christ.

The lies of the serpent tricked Eve, and he is still at it today. If you dont follow what is Gods Law, who are you following.....
Genesis 3:1
Now the serpent was more subtil than any beast of the field which the Lord God had made. And he said unto the woman, Yea, hath God said, Ye shall not eat of every tree of the garden?

Matthew 19:17
And he said unto him, Why callest thou me good? there is none good but one, that is, God: but if thou wilt enter into life, keep the commandments.

John 14:15
If ye love me, keep my commandments.

1 John 2:3
And hereby we do know that we know him, if we keep his commandments.

1 John 2:4
He that saith, I know him, and keepeth not his commandments, is a liar, and the truth is not in him.

1 John 3:22
And whatsoever we ask, we receive of him, because we keep his commandments, and do those things that are pleasing in his sight.

1 John 3:24
And he that keepeth his commandments dwelleth in him, and he in him. And hereby we know that he abideth in us, by the Spirit which he hath given us.

1 John 5:2
By this we know that we love the children of God, when we love God, and keep his commandments.

 

[MatthewG]

Hello @Hobie,

The commandment is to believe on the one whom he had sent, and to love God and love others. That is the problem with mutilating the scriptures as people do, I am gonna go ahead and put you on ignore though. It's alright with me to just let you know and walk away. I do hope you all the best.

 

[Behold]

The lies of the serpent tricked Eve, and he is still at it today. If you dont follow what is Gods Law,

If "God's Law" hung on The Cross so that your sin can be forgiven, then just keep trying to go to heaven by Law Keeping.

But if the LAW and Commandments and Water Baptism.. .didn't die on The Cross for you, so that God will have you.. .then you should put those down and never again try to earn your way into heaven, when in fact JESUS is the only Way to Heaven..

John 14:6

 

[Scott Downey]

Based on scripture, she is definitely a candidate for rejection into the Kingdom of God.



Based on God's love toward all mankind. We will never know until we get there...

God has already said through Christ what will happen.
She goes to hell.

 

[Scott Downey]

The early church believed the things Christ said, seems today for some they are self deluded.

The other thing which is more uncertain is what happens to infants and young children of other religions. See that never really came up in the things people asked or wrote about in scriptures. Perhaps people back then assumed they went to heaven. Jesus and the church spoke to sinners who were adults, evangelizing them. My personal belief is they do go to heaven, including aborted infants. And we read this

Genesis 7
Then the Lord said to Noah, “Come into the ark, you and all your household, because I have seen that you are righteous before Me in this generation.

Acts 16
30 And he brought them out and said, “Sirs, what must I do to be saved?”

31 So they said, “Believe on the Lord Jesus Christ, and you will be saved, you and your household.” 32 Then they spoke the word of the Lord to him and to all who were in his house.

Of course his whole household believed, but what of these infants?
My take is they are when dying, saved. And lots of infants and young children died, especially back in the past.

Matthew 21
14 Then the blind and the lame came to Him in the temple, and He healed them. 15 But when the chief priests and scribes saw the wonderful things that He did, and the children crying out in the temple and saying, “Hosanna to the Son of David!” they were [e]indignant 16 and said to Him, “Do You hear what these are saying?”

And Jesus said to them, “Yes. Have you never read,

‘Out of the mouth of babes and nursing infants
You have perfected praise’?”
17 Then He left them and went out of the city to Bethany, and He lodged there.

 

[LoveYeshua]

Let's use an average Muslim woman from Indonesia as an example. She was raised to believe Islam and that all other belief systems are lies. She leads an unremarkable life and doesn't engage in criminal activities and is a loving daughter, wife, and mother. When she dies, will she go to Hell?

God will judge us according to our hearts, He knows what is there. If she never heard of Jesus Why would he condemn her. God is Just and good and will do what he wants. He is so much higher than us in all ways we cannot assume we know but He does.