Did ANYONE In Scripture (Including Jesus), Claim Jesus IS God?

[David in NJ]

Cute, but Elohim is actually mentioned 4 times in the first 4 verses -- so why not four instead of three? For that matter, Elohim is mentioned 2 times in the first 2 verses -- so why not two instead of three? Why are you gerrymandering our result by looking at the first three verses instead of the first four, or the first two?

excuse my typing and review post 736 for your question has been answered

 

[David in NJ]

It gives us a word for supernatural entity. It is a faulty one at that. El is the Aramaic dialect form.

Post 736 has been UPdated

PLEASE review for more DETAIL

 

[David in NJ]

@Nancy
You will be BLESSED from the info on Post 736

Shalom

 

[MonoBiblical]

Post 736 has been UPdated

PLEASE review for more DETAIL

Done. It assumes Elohim is a generic word for a god, when El was the original. Most of the post looks irrelevant so as not to prove your point. More yet, the father cannot be extracted from the Genesis passage.

 

[David in NJ]

v1 - In the beginning Elohim created the heavens and the earth.
v2 - The earth was without form, and void; and darkness was on the face of the deep.
And the Spirit of Elohim was hovering over the face of the waters.
v3 - Then Elohim Said, “Let there be light”; and there was light.

This is what the Holy Spirit revealed to the apostle John = 3
Elohim is mentioned 3 times in the first 3 verses
Father is verse 1
Holy Spirit is verse 2
Word is verse 3

NOTICE that the Creation did NOT Begin until Elohim was mentioned 3 Times and the last time is the WORD = John 1:3
v3 = All things were made thru the WORD

Genesis 1:26 BUILDS on the Introduction that Elohim is PLURAL and is THREE

Gen 1:26 - "Let Us make man in Our image according to Our likeness" = 3

The PLURAL Elohim Speaks of Themselves in ONE sentence THREE times.

Then Elohim does this AGAIN in the very next verse = Genesis 1:27

So Elohim(Plural) created man in His own image; in the image of Elohim(Plural) He created him; male and female He created them.

The FATHER/HIS as is the SON/HE as is the HOLY SPIRIT/HE = 3

Elohim will later, in Genesis, IDENTIFY Who the THREE are!!!

Shalom

 

[David in NJ]

Done. It assumes Elohim is a generic word for a god, when El was the original. Most of the post looks irrelevant.

NOPE

ELohim only Speaks Truth = no mistakes on THEIR PLURALITY as it is all throughout the Scriptures

 

[MonoBiblical]

NOPE

ELohim only Speaks Truth = no mistakes on THEIR PLURALITY as it is all throughout the Scriptures

"Their plurality" is missing from the tetragrammaton, and the LXX. And what of elohim for other gods. Is it plural or singular?

 

[David in NJ]

"Their plurality" is missing from the tetragrammaton, and the LXX. And what of elohim for other gods. Is it plural or singular?

Elohim's PLURALITY is all throughout the Holy Scriptures

The angels KNOW THEY are THREE as do the Apostles for they wrote of the THREE

 

[MonoBiblical]

Elohim's PLURALITY is all throughout the Holy Scriptures

The angels KNOW THEY are THREE as do the Apostles for they wrote of the THREE

And yet you can't prove it.

 

[David in NJ]

And yet you can't prove it.

Elohim ALREADY proved this for us = the need to BELIEVE "IT is Written"

 

[Traveler]

Joh 3:16 For God so loved the world, that he gave his only begotten Son, that whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have everlasting life.
Joh 3:17 For God sent not his Son into the world to condemn the world; but that the world through him might be saved.
Joh 3:18 He that believeth on him is not condemned: but he that believeth not is condemned already, because he hath not believed in the name of the only begotten Son of God.

So does it say that God sent himself into this world or did he send Jesus ?

 

[face2face]

Some people believe in an 'intellectual' salvation, whereby they 'think' they 'know' and equate that with God

Let this mind be in you which was also in Christ Jesus...

But grow in the grace and knowledge of our Lord and Savior Jesus Christ. To him be the glory both now and to the day of eternity. Amen.

F2F

 

[David in NJ]

So does it say that God sent himself into this world or did he send Jesus ?

God sent Himself in His Son, as the Scripture(which cannot lie) Says = "Immanuel, God with us"

Now the birth of Jesus Christ was as follows: After His mother Mary was betrothed to Joseph, before they came together, she was found with child of the Holy Spirit. Then Joseph her husband, being a just man, and not wanting to make her a public example, was minded to put her away secretly. But while he thought about these things, behold, an angel of the Lord appeared to him in a dream, saying, “Joseph, son of David, do not be afraid to take to you Mary your wife, for that which is conceived in her is of the Holy Spirit.
And she will bring forth a Son, and you shall call His name Jesus, for He will save His people from their sins.”

So all this was done that it might be fulfilled which was spoken by the Lord through the prophet, saying: “Behold, the virgin shall be with child, and bear a Son, and they shall call His name Immanuel,” which is translated, “God with us.”

But grow in the grace and knowledge of our Lord and Savior Jesus Christ. To him be the glory both now and to the day of eternity. Amen.

F2F

knowledge of our Lord and Savior Jesus Christ

Notice it does not say knowledge of the world or of man's intellect

 

[face2face]

knowledge of our Lord and Savior Jesus Christ

Notice it does not say knowledge of the world or of man's intellect

Thanks for making the distinction.

 

[Magdala]

In John 8:56, Jesus says, "Your father Abraham rejoiced to see My day, and he saw it and was glad."

In response, the Pharisees asked, "You are not yet fifty years old! Have you seen Abraham?", and Jesus answered, "[...] before Abraham came into existence, I AM." Jesus explicitly not only said that He existed before Abraham was born, but that He's always existed, by referring to Himself as "I AM", the name of God: "And God spoke to Moses, saying, l AM THE BEING; and he said, Thus shall ye say to the children of Israel, THE BEING has sent me to you. And God said again to Moses, thus shalt thou say to the sons of Israel, the Lord God of our fathers, the God of Abraham, and God of Isaac, and God of Jacob, has sent me to you: this is My name for ever, and my memorial to generations of generations" (English translation from The Tanakh, Ex. 3:14-15). Before I explain how He's always existed, first, do you accept that that's what Jesus said?

Jesus would share in the name after its a family name!

Why did the Pharisees attempt to stone Jesus to death after He called Himself "I AM" if it's just a shareable family name?

In Matthew 26:63-66 / Mark 14:61-64, during Jesus' trial before the high priest Caiaphas, the high priest asked Jesus directly: “Are you the Christ, the Son of God?” Jesus responded affirmatively, saying, "You have said so," and also added that they would see the Son of Man seated at the right hand of Power and coming with the clouds of heaven (referencing Daniel 7:13).

Why did the High Priest not lay your charge of him calling himself God?
Why did Jesus not refer to himself as God?
Why instead does Jesus use his preferred title "Son of Man" (80 times! compared to 5 x Son of God)

I'm working on my responses to those questions for you. Thank you for waiting.

 

[David in NJ]

Thanks for making the distinction.

Your post was a blessing = thank you

What comes BEFORE knowledge??? = GRACE

 

[MonoBiblical]

Why did the Pharisees attempt to stone Jesus to death for referring to Himself as "I AM" if it's just a shareable family name?

It was because he was talking about Abraham as though he weren't dead, and that Abraham respected him. They were stoning him for being a heretic about the afterlife, because they respected the Sadducees too much.

 

[Magdala]

It was because he was talking about Abraham as though he weren't dead, and that Abraham respected him. They were stoning him for being a heretic about the afterlife, because they respected the Sadducees too much.

No, the Pharisees asked Jesus if He had seen Abraham, and He explained how by saying, "[...] before Abraham came into existence, I AM." Jesus explicitly not only said that He existed before Abraham was born, but that He's always existed, by referring to Himself as "I AM", the name of God: "And God spoke to Moses, saying, l AM THE BEING; and he said, Thus shall ye say to the children of Israel, THE BEING has sent me to you. And God said again to Moses, thus shalt thou say to the sons of Israel, the Lord God of our fathers, the God of Abraham, and God of Isaac, and God of Jacob, has sent me to you: this is My name for ever, and my memorial to generations of generations" (English translation from The Tanakh, Ex. 3:14-15). In response, the Pharisees attempted to stone Jesus to death for blasphemy, because they understood that He had said He's God.

 

[face2face]

God sent Himself in His Son, as the Scripture(which cannot lie) Says = "Immanuel, God with us"

I'll rewrite this for you David but now with truth.

God sent forth His Word to be born of a Woman (seed), as the Scripture (which cannot lie) Says = "Immanuel, God with us"

God was not Christ but 'in" Christ

F2F

 

[David in NJ]

I'll rewrite this for you David but now with truth.

God sent forth His Word to be born of a Woman (seed), as the Scripture (which cannot lie) Says = "Immanuel, God with us"

God was not Christ but 'in" Christ

F2F

Absolutely God was in Christ!!!

In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God.

The Word became flesh and made His dwelling among us