Did ANYONE In Scripture (Including Jesus), Claim Jesus IS God?

[Taken]

Moses said to God that the children of Israel will ask the name of the one who sent him, then asked what name shall he tell them: "Καὶ εἶπε Μωυσῆς πρὸς τὸν Θεὸν, ἰδοὺ ἐγὼ ἐξελεύσομαι πρὸς τοὺς υἱοὺς ᾿Ισραὴλ, καὶ ἐρῶ πρὸς αὐτοὺς, Θεὸς τῶν πατέρων ἡμῶν ἀπέσταλκέ με πρὸς ὑμᾶς: ἐρωτήσουσί με, τί ὄνομα αὐτῷ; τί ἐρῶ. πρὸς αὐτούς; Καὶ εἶπεν ὁ Θεὸς πρὸς Μωυσῆν, λέγων, ἐγώ εἰμι ὃ "Qu. καὶ εἶπεν, οὕτως ἐρεῖς τοῖς υἱοῖς Ἰσραὴλ, ὁ Ὧν ἀπέσταλκέ με πρὸς ὑμᾶς: "And God said to Moses, I AM THAT I AM: and he said, you shall say to the children of Israel, I AM has sent me to you." (Ex. 3:13-14)

Fast-forward to the scene of Jn. 8:58, where Jesus claimed to be eternal and to have existed before Abraham, but more importantly, He called himself by the ancient title ascribed only to God Himself: "...πρὶν (before) Ἀβραὰμ (Abraham) γενέσθαι ἐγὼ (I) εἰμί (AM)." The Pharisees knew exactly what Jesus meant by this. From their perspective, Jesus said specifically, “I am God.” How do we know this was their interpretation of His words? We know it from their reaction. They responded by attempting to stone Jesus for having claimed to be God (an act of blasphemy they considered worthy of death): "ἦραν (picked) οὖν λίθους (stones) ἵνα (to) βάλωσιν (throw) ἐπ' (at) αὐτόν (him): Ἰησοῦς δὲ ἐκρύβη καὶ ἐξῆλθεν ἐκ τοῦ ἱεροῦ." (Jn. 8:59)

Amen!

Glory to God,
Taken

 

[face2face]

That is a false narrative.

Jesus did not reject being called Good.

Jesus simply asked a question.

Who did he pass that that praise onto and why?

I am confidant I have the Truth, and His Power IN me, that it is not possible for me to be lead away from the Truth

Glory to God,
Taken

I honestly don't care what you are confident in, at present, I need you to be confident in searching this passage and addressing it with a level of honesty it deserves.

F2F

 

[face2face]

Romans 3:10 (ESV):
"As it is written: 'None is righteous, no, not one.'"

Psalm 14:1-3 (ESV):
1 "The fool says in his heart, 'There is no God.'
They are corrupt, they do abominable deeds,
there is none who does good.
2 The Lord looks down from heaven on the children of man,
to see if there are any who understand,
who seek after God.
3 They have all turned aside; together they have become corrupt;
there is none who does good,
not even one."

Why would Jesus Christ deflect the praise upward?

Who is inherently Good by nature

“Why do you call me good? No one is good except God alone. Mk 10:18.

What is the difference between "me" and "God?"

The answer will once again confirm why Jesus is not God.

F2F

 

[face2face]

The RSV on this occasion provides the emphasis:

Mark 10:18 (RSV):
"And Jesus said to him, 'Why do you call me good? No one is good but God alone.'"

@Taken so why couldn't Jesus accept that praise?

F2F

 

[Taken]

Who did he pass that that praise onto and why?

I honestly don't care what you are confident in, at present, I need you to be confident in searching this passage and addressing it with a level of honesty it deserves.

F2F

If you are wondering or challenging a passage in Scripture…you quote it.

 

[Verily]

That is a false narrative.

Jesus did not reject being called Good.

Jesus simply asked a question.

He somewhat demonstrated this I think in that move

Prov 20:6 Most men will proclaim every one his own goodness: but a faithful man who can find?

 

[Johann]

Do Paul's Johann

"I Am What I Am"

Sure @Verily

According to Paul, Jesus is indeed identified with the "I AM" of the Old Testament, though Paul does not explicitly quote Exodus 3:14 (where God reveals Himself as "I AM THAT I AM"). Instead, Paul's writings point to Jesus sharing in the divine identity, attributes, and self-existence of God, aligning with the theology encapsulated in the "I AM" statement.

1. Paul's High Christology: Jesus as God
Paul consistently presents Jesus as fully divine, sharing in God's eternal and unchanging nature:

Philippians 2:6–11:

"Who, being in the form of God, thought it not robbery to be equal with God."

This passage establishes Christ’s pre-existence in the "form of God" (μορφῇ θεοῦ) and equates Him with God, affirming His divine identity.

In this context, Jesus’ humility in taking human form shows His divine self-existence, consistent with "I AM THAT I AM".

Colossians 1:15–17:

"He is the image of the invisible God, the firstborn of all creation. For by him all things were created… and in him all things hold together."

Paul describes Jesus as the agent of creation and sustainer of all existence, a role that only God, the self-existent One, could fulfill.

1 Timothy 6:15–16:

"…the King of kings and Lord of lords; who only hath immortality, dwelling in the light which no man can approach unto."

Jesus is described in terms reserved for God, aligning with the "I AM" statement as one who inherently possesses life and immortality.

2. Use of the "ἐγώ εἰμι" (I AM) in Pauline Theology
While Paul does not record Jesus using the specific phrase "ἐγώ εἰμι" (I AM) in the same way as John’s Gospel (e.g., John 8:58), Paul affirms the divine identity of Jesus in language reminiscent of the "I AM":

2 Corinthians 4:6:

"For God, who commanded the light to shine out of darkness, hath shined in our hearts, to give the light of the knowledge of the glory of God in the face of Jesus Christ."

This reflects the manifestation of God’s glory through Christ, paralleling the self-revelation of God to Moses in the burning bush.

Romans 9:5:

"Christ… who is over all, God blessed forever. Amen."

Paul explicitly calls Christ "God," affirming His identity as the eternal and supreme One.

3. The Eternal Nature of Christ
Paul frequently ascribes eternal, unchanging qualities to Jesus, aligning Him with the "I AM" of Exodus 3:14:

Hebrews 13:8 (often attributed to Pauline influence):

"Jesus Christ, the same yesterday, and today, and forever."

This speaks to Jesus’ immutable and eternal nature, consistent with God’s self-revelation as "I AM".

1 Corinthians 8:6:

"Yet for us there is one God, the Father, from whom are all things and for whom we exist, and one Lord, Jesus Christ, through whom are all things and through whom we exist."

Jesus is identified as the "Lord" (κύριος), a title used for Yahweh in the Septuagint, implying that He shares in the divine nature of the self-existent Creator.

4. Paul’s Identification of Jesus with Yahweh
Paul equates Jesus with Yahweh, whose divine name is associated with "I AM THAT I AM":

Romans 10:9–13:

Paul applies Joel 2:32 ("Whoever calls on the name of Yahweh will be saved") to Jesus, indicating that Jesus is Yahweh.
The context implies that Jesus embodies the self-existent and covenantal nature of Yahweh.

1 Corinthians 10:4:

"For they drank from the spiritual Rock that followed them, and the Rock was Christ."

Paul identifies Jesus with the sustaining presence of God in the wilderness, the same God who revealed Himself as "I AM" to Moses.

5. Exodus 3:14 in Light of Paul’s Christology
Paul’s theological framework aligns with the understanding that Jesus is the "I AM":

Jesus embodies the self-existent, unchanging, and eternal God revealed to Moses.
By affirming that Jesus is the Creator, Sustainer, and object of worship, Paul identifies Him with the God of the burning bush, Yahweh.

Johann.

 

[David in NJ]

Why did Jesus not accept being called Good?

Note: this is a leading question one which hopes it will lead you into truth and not away from it.

F2F

Good Morning @APAK , @face2face , @Pierac

the LORD Jesus Christ accepted and recieved and expected being called "good" and being called "God" and being worshipped

 

[APAK]

Good Morning @APAK , @face2face , @Pierac

the LORD Jesus Christ accepted and recieved and expected being called "good" and being called "God" and being worshipped

You are off your rocker. Find some other place to play in the children's sandbox, and not here.

 

[David in NJ]

You are off your rocker. Find some other place to play in the children's sandbox, and not here.

#1 - Children are the Path to Heaven - Matthew 18:1-5

#2 - LORD Jesus Christ played in the sand - John 8:1-6

#3 - TRUTH is the Place where you will find the "sons of Elohim" numbering as the grains of sand

the LORD Jesus Christ accepted and recieved and expected being called "Good" and being called "Elohim" and being worshipped

If you cannot SEE this in the Gospel, in the Apostles writings and especially in Revelation, then you are numbered with the 'blind'

 

[Taken]

The RSV on this occasion provides the emphasis:

Mark 10:18 (RSV):
"And Jesus said to him, 'Why do you call me good? No one is good but God alone.'"

@Taken so why couldn't Jesus accept that praise?

F2F

Why are YOU claiming Jesus Didn’t accept that ?

Jesus did NOT say He rejected being called Good.

Jesus Asked a question…. Which a Reader of that passage …should conclude…only God IS Good…and IF a man believes JESUS IS Good…the same man must therefore Believe JESUS IS God

You revealed your “belief” … when you said…

“Jesus is not God”

Therefore…do you, by Default, by what Jesus SAID ….reject Jesus is Good?

Glory to God,
Taken

 

[Bee5]

There is One God and He has several "roles"/jobs/responsibilities/names

A person can be a grandfather, a father, a son, a farmer all at the same time , but are one person in different roles

Isaiah 9:6 tell us all the roles of God, of father, son, counselor

6 For unto us a child is born, unto us a son is given: and the government shall be upon his shoulder: and his name shall be called Wonderful, Counsellor, The mighty God, The everlasting Father, The Prince of Peace.


Jesus is God walking in a flesh body on earth. The Father role is in Heaven, Jesus role was on earth at the same time .. different dimensions.

There is One Throne.. One King.. One Lord

The "role" of Father and the "role" of Son as Jesus are in Heaven as Jesus ascended

The Holy Spirit is God's Mind, power, intellect, authority, positive thoughts

To every positive there is a negative and that is Lucifer trying to take over as God and steal His identity. "Antichrist" means instead of Christ. Lucifer gets kicked out of Heaven and pretends to be Jesus returned. But Jesus does not return until the last trumpet which is the 7th trumpet after the fake "jesus" is here first pretending to be the true Jesus.

 

[David in NJ]

There is One God and He has several "roles"/jobs/responsibilities/names

A person can be a grandfather, a father, a son, a farmer all at the same time , but are one person in different roles

Isaiah 9:6 tell us all the roles of God, of father, son, counselor

6 For unto us a child is born, unto us a son is given: and the government shall be upon his shoulder: and his name shall be called Wonderful, Counsellor, The mighty God, The everlasting Father, The Prince of Peace.


Jesus is God walking in a flesh body on earth. The Father role is in Heaven, Jesus role was on earth at the same time .. different dimensions.

There is One Throne.. One King.. One Lord

The "role" of Father and the "role" of Son as Jesus are in Heaven as Jesus ascended

The Holy Spirit is God's Mind, power, intellect, authority, positive thoughts

To every positive there is a negative and that is Lucifer trying to take over as God and steal His identity. "Antichrist" means instead of Christ. Lucifer gets kicked out of Heaven and pretends to be Jesus returned. But Jesus does not return until the last trumpet which is the 7th trumpet after the fake "jesus" is here first pretending to be the true Jesus.

There is Echad Elohim which is not the same as saying one God

This Truth was established in Genesis chapter 1

 

[Bee5]

God is not talking to Himself.

"Elohim" is plural...God and the angels( which an angel is a person in their supernatural body)

Genesis 1:26-27 God is revealing to us, His children.. "us and our" Including Himself(He and Us) .. revealing His plan to give each of us a flesh body... including HImself as the "HE HIM " (which is Jesus , which is God in a flesh body..)

the "them" is us, His children... He is revealing He is going to give each of us a flesh body.. male or female.

We have 2 bodies.. one celestial and one terrestrial.. one is of supernatural material(angel body or celestial body) and one is of flesh or terrestrial material..

One body is in Heaven, one on earth as we come thru this flesh age here on earth.

God's plan was to pay the price for our sins and He did that by giving Himself a flesh body and each of us a flesh body ... He died for our sins on that cross in a flesh body. God would not have anyone else die but Himself for our sins.

Lucifer and a group of angels(people in their celestial angel body) refused a flesh body and came to earth to seduce flesh women and create their race and pollute the bloodline of where Jesus would come through

Genesis 1:26
And God said, Let us make man in our image, after our likeness: (God included Himself in that our flesh body would look like our celestial angel body.. just a flesh material


27) So God created man(flesh bodies) in his own image,(our flesh body looks the same image, male or female as our celestial body) in the image of God created "he him"(Jesus is God in a flesh body here on earth); male and female created he "them"( our flesh body is male or female just like our celestial angel body.)

God's plan of salvation.

 

[Verily]

Sure @Verily

According to Paul, Jesus is indeed identified with the "I AM" of the Old Testament, though Paul does not explicitly quote Exodus 3:14 (where God reveals Himself as "I AM THAT I AM"). Instead, Paul's writings point to Jesus sharing in the divine identity, attributes, and self-existence of God, aligning with the theology encapsulated in the "I AM" statement.

1. Paul's High Christology: Jesus as God
Paul consistently presents Jesus as fully divine, sharing in God's eternal and unchanging nature:

Philippians 2:6–11:

"Who, being in the form of God, thought it not robbery to be equal with God."

This passage establishes Christ’s pre-existence in the "form of God" (μορφῇ θεοῦ) and equates Him with God, affirming His divine identity.

In this context, Jesus’ humility in taking human form shows His divine self-existence, consistent with "I AM THAT I AM".

Colossians 1:15–17:

"He is the image of the invisible God, the firstborn of all creation. For by him all things were created… and in him all things hold together."

Paul describes Jesus as the agent of creation and sustainer of all existence, a role that only God, the self-existent One, could fulfill.

1 Timothy 6:15–16:

"…the King of kings and Lord of lords; who only hath immortality, dwelling in the light which no man can approach unto."

Jesus is described in terms reserved for God, aligning with the "I AM" statement as one who inherently possesses life and immortality.

2. Use of the "ἐγώ εἰμι" (I AM) in Pauline Theology
While Paul does not record Jesus using the specific phrase "ἐγώ εἰμι" (I AM) in the same way as John’s Gospel (e.g., John 8:58), Paul affirms the divine identity of Jesus in language reminiscent of the "I AM":

2 Corinthians 4:6:

"For God, who commanded the light to shine out of darkness, hath shined in our hearts, to give the light of the knowledge of the glory of God in the face of Jesus Christ."

This reflects the manifestation of God’s glory through Christ, paralleling the self-revelation of God to Moses in the burning bush.

Romans 9:5:

"Christ… who is over all, God blessed forever. Amen."

Paul explicitly calls Christ "God," affirming His identity as the eternal and supreme One.

3. The Eternal Nature of Christ
Paul frequently ascribes eternal, unchanging qualities to Jesus, aligning Him with the "I AM" of Exodus 3:14:

Hebrews 13:8 (often attributed to Pauline influence):

"Jesus Christ, the same yesterday, and today, and forever."

This speaks to Jesus’ immutable and eternal nature, consistent with God’s self-revelation as "I AM".

1 Corinthians 8:6:

"Yet for us there is one God, the Father, from whom are all things and for whom we exist, and one Lord, Jesus Christ, through whom are all things and through whom we exist."

Jesus is identified as the "Lord" (κύριος), a title used for Yahweh in the Septuagint, implying that He shares in the divine nature of the self-existent Creator.

4. Paul’s Identification of Jesus with Yahweh
Paul equates Jesus with Yahweh, whose divine name is associated with "I AM THAT I AM":

Romans 10:9–13:

Paul applies Joel 2:32 ("Whoever calls on the name of Yahweh will be saved") to Jesus, indicating that Jesus is Yahweh.
The context implies that Jesus embodies the self-existent and covenantal nature of Yahweh.

1 Corinthians 10:4:

"For they drank from the spiritual Rock that followed them, and the Rock was Christ."

Paul identifies Jesus with the sustaining presence of God in the wilderness, the same God who revealed Himself as "I AM" to Moses.

5. Exodus 3:14 in Light of Paul’s Christology
Paul’s theological framework aligns with the understanding that Jesus is the "I AM":

Jesus embodies the self-existent, unchanging, and eternal God revealed to Moses.
By affirming that Jesus is the Creator, Sustainer, and object of worship, Paul identifies Him with the God of the burning bush, Yahweh.

Johann.

I cant believe you did all that! Thanks Johann! I was just making a play on I AM THAT I AM as found in Moses with Paul's own words concerning himself by the grace of God in this verse

1 Cr 15:10 But by the grace of God I AM WHAT I AM: and his grace which was bestowed upon me was not in vain; but I laboured more abundantly than they all: yet not I, but the grace of God which was with me.

Remember how I said sometimes the details can get in the way, become less simplified, and how I look for a simpler solution? Thats what I meant, I was wondering if the two places could be compared more simply between them in anyway.

 

[Johann]

I cant believe you did all that! Thanks Johann! I was just making a play on I AM THAT I AM as found in Moses with Paul's own words concerning himself by the grace of God in this verse

1 Cr 15:10 But by the grace of God I AM WHAT I AM: and his grace which was bestowed upon me was not in vain; but I laboured more abundantly than they all: yet not I, but the grace of God which was with me.

Remember how I said sometimes the details can get in the way, become less simplified, and how I look for a simpler solution? Thats what I meant, I was wondering if the two places could be compared more simply between them in anyway.

My apologies @Verily-I tend to complicate things, but that'd how I study.

God bless.

Johann.

 

[Verily]

My apologies @Verily-I tend to complicate things, but that'd how I study.

God bless.

Johann.

Not at all, thats what I love about you, you take up what I do not want to touch

Your very handy Johann, dont let anyone tell you otherwise

 

[Johann]

Not at all, thats what I love about you, you take up what I do not want to touch

Your very handy Johann, dont let anyone tell you otherwise

Thank you, I really appreciate it.

Johann.

 

[marks]

Not at all, thats what I love about you, you take up what I do not want to touch

Your very handy Johann, dont let anyone tell you otherwise

Amen! The man is amazing!

Much love!

 

[marks]

He somewhat demonstrated this I think in that move

Prov 20:6 Most men will proclaim every one his own goodness: but a faithful man who can find?

I believe Jesus wanted the man to think about what he was saying, and who he was addressing. He called Jesus 'good'. Jesus said only God is good. Does that change what the man said? Does that change Who Jesus is? No. The man spoke well. Jesus is good, because Jesus is God.

Much love!