Blessings Behold. That post was directed to Ritajanice. That is what she did. Do you see me attacking you. Do you see me accusing you. I simply asked you a question. Your silence has answered my question. Thank you for your time and have a Blessed day!
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"If you have to work to be saved" I do not have to work to be saved, silly. I am at rest, His rest, as He works in me and through me. I do walk in The Spirit and preach in The Spirit even though I am not worthy. This is The Lord's doing. So you both have misjudged.
And after we confess a sin, He is faithful and just to....what?....FORGIVE US and cleanse us.
The Cross is for the sin of the World. Its for these.
Timothy 1......"Christ came into the world to save SINNERS".... not just the "pre-destined elect".
Ritajanice
Born-Again
We can't deny that God knows who will be born again, before the Earth was created.
God has "Foreknowledge".. . Because He's God.. and that is knowledge of all things before they happen.
So, before you were born, Before your mother was born, before the SUN was created... God know you would Trust in Jesus.
But, He didnt make you believe. He didnt force you... He only KNEW you would believe in Jesus.
He had "foreknowledge" about you, .. .He knew you would be a Christian, before you were born, exactly as God knew you would be talking to ME on this forum.
He KNEW IT< before we were born, but He didn't cause it.....
He is not causing me to TYPE this POST.... I am causing me to type this post.,...Yet before i was born, God KNEW i would do it.
So, ... what is that?
That is KNOWING all. As Foreknowledge.. and that is not the same thing as causing it all to happen.
There is a Theology, its John Calvin's Theology, and He teaches that God Chose some for Hell, and chose others for Heaven.
Calvin could not understand that God knowing everything before it happens, is not the same as God causing everything to Happen... so, he decided to create a Theology that teaches that God just caused it all, the evil and the good, the killing, the rape, the poverty, the hatred, the homosexuality...child molesting... and the Good .... and also decided before you are born who would burn in the Lake of Fire, as .. Its all pre-destined"... its all caused by God... all pre-determined just like The Buddha teaches it.
1,) eenie meenie miney mo...... all the Mo's go to heaven, and the other 3 burn in the lake of Fire.
Dont like it? Too bad, Blame God, as He chose you for Hell, said JOHN CALVIN's THEOLOGY....
Sorry, no.
And just like God, The BIBLE knows what is coming next.. as it has Foreknowledge. That is referred to as Prophecy.
For example.. The Bible KNEW that the Anti-Christ is coming.... and he is here, but he's not in charge yet.
That'll be soon enough.
Remember......."knowing everything before it happens, is NOT the same as causing it to happen",
"ForeKnowledge" The Foreknowledge of God., is the KNOWING. "before".. it happens....everything.
Ritajanice
Born-Again
Behold has said aptly these words against Calvinism & the damnable heresy of predestination to heaven or hell ! Aka elitism. Posts # 149
"But, He didnt make you believe. He didnt force you... He only KNEW you would believe in" Jesus.Behold #149
"He KNEW IT< before we were born, but He didn't cause it....."
Behold
"That is KNOWING all. As Foreknowledge.. and that is not the same thing as causing it all to happen."Behold
"And just like God, The BIBLE knows what is coming next.. as it has Foreknowledge. That is referred to as Prophecy." Behold
"Remember......."knowing everything before it happens, is NOT the same as causing it to happen"," Behold
Someone, not Behold, deleted a post I was trying to bookmark but hey, never the mind, I made a copy.
"But, He didnt make you believe. He didnt force you... He only KNEW you would believe in" Jesus.Behold #149
"He KNEW IT< before we were born, but He didn't cause it....."
Behold
"That is KNOWING all. As Foreknowledge.. and that is not the same thing as causing it all to happen."Behold
"And just like God, The BIBLE knows what is coming next.. as it has Foreknowledge. That is referred to as Prophecy." Behold
"Remember......."knowing everything before it happens, is NOT the same as causing it to happen"," Behold
Someone, not Behold, deleted a post I was trying to bookmark but hey, never the mind, I made a copy.
St. SteVen
Well-Known Member
And the predestined damned? (the flip side of the predestination coin)
Stumpmaster
Well-Known Member
Ritajanice
Born-Again
It was God who drew me to Jesus, Without question, he didn’t make me believe,NO, but, he most definitely drew me to Jesus, I also believe that he softened my heart to receive the Holy Spirit, just like he did Lydia, I also believe I was predestined to come to Jesus, God was at work in me, even as a non Christian, I didn’t have the indwelling Holy Spirit then......but, throughout my entire life, God was drawing me to the Son, I see it as plain as day, NOW......he knew me in my mother’s womb.....so, we may disagree here, he drew me to Jesus,I did not draw myself, that was his will for me and his will was done.....this is my belief...100%
and as you can see, the scripture below that I posted ,saying this, by the word of God.
| Context Crossref Comment Greek Verse (Click for Chapter) New International Version In him we were also chosen, having been predestined according to the plan of him who works out everything in conformity with the purpose of his will, New Living Translation Furthermore, because we are united with Christ, we have received an inheritance from God, for he chose us in advance, and he makes everything work out according to his plan. English Standard Version In him we have obtained an inheritance, having been predestined according to the purpose of him who works all things according to the counsel of his will, Berean Standard Bible In Him we were also chosen as God’s own, having been predestined according to the plan of Him who works out everything by the counsel of His will, |
I do not confess my sins daily, why, because I have been washed in the blood of Jesus and have been birthed in the Spirit ....that is a ONCE and only once time event....mind blowing!!.....i was led to believe at one time, that we had to confess our sins daily....I knew in my spirit that it was wrong, it was the renewing of my mind that needed to catch up, plus this is God’s word to his Born Again Children.
My sins were on Jesus, the evening I was birthed in the Spirit...there is NO sin in my heart/Spirit....
| Context Crossref Comment Greek Verse (Click for Chapter) New International Version No one who is born of God will continue to sin, because God’s seed remains in them; they cannot go on sinning, because they have been born of God. New Living Translation Those who have been born into God’s family do not make a practice of sinning, because God’s life is in them. So they can’t keep on sinning, because they are children of God. English Standard Version No one born of God makes a practice of sinning, for God’s seed abides in him; and he cannot keep on sinning, because he has been born of God. |
| Context Crossref Comment Greek Verse (Click for Chapter) New International Version Jesus answered, “I am the way and the truth and the life. No one comes to the Father except through me. New Living Translation Jesus told him, “I am the way, the truth, and the life. No one can come to the Father except through me. English Standard Version Jesus said to him, “I am the way, and the truth, and the life. No one comes to the Father except through me. Berean Standard Bible Jesus answered, “I am the way and the truth and the life. No one comes to the Father except through Me. |
God knows the beginning and the end.....he knows what I’m going to do before I even do it.
We serve an Almighty God.....who is WORTHY of HONOUR and PRAISE......he knows my heart 100%.....
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Amen....predestination is another concept that needs to be taken into account with all the other scriptures. Because the bible also says we are "elect according to the foreknowledge of God", which agrees with what you are saying here. If we take a fatalist stance we would never pray for or share the gospel with anyone, but just leave it all up to God's predetermined predestination for people.
It's like we know that God is sovereign over all that happens in this world and in our lives, but that doesn't mean He causes everything, it means He has gone ahead in His foreknowledge and worked everything together to a foreseen end where He has His ultimate way (if that is saying it right - it's a hard thing to get one's head around and express).
The washing wasn't necessarily a picture of sanctification, I think it was a picture of service, how we are to be to each other. The elements of the story may well have been literal. Peter, your feet are dirty. I know you took a bath but your feet are still dirty.
I'm your master, but I'm washing your dirty feet for you. You don't understand now, but you will later, that nothing is "too low" to do in serving each other. We are community, fellowship, we are one, and this is the way we serve each other.
Just some thoughts.
Much love!
Election (2)
as in option
the power, right, or opportunity to choose.
To decide if you mean that God chose you specially & specifically to be saved into his kingdom w/o any action on your part of your free will to decide to accept his gift of grace, let us clarify;
Did you @setst777 , choose to accept his salvation of grace & make a commitment to follow him in all things righteous and of his will ?
Let's put to rest the dallying.
Election to service is how I read election, not a differential picking one over another as the only "good to believe" in Christ !
Too few allow this concept, rightly dividing the word, to enter if they even study the word of God. It has been said on this site, I don't need to read or study the word of God, I have the Spirit !
Amen, for sure it was showing what our attitude is to be in ministering/serving each other. It illustrates both the servant humility with which we are to minister one to another as well as that, apparently there is going to be some washing of some kind still required even after having had the whole bath.
I believe there is a reason why Jesus taught the washing of feet at the last supper/Passover when He ordained the bread and wine to remember His death. They are both related. We are to examine ourselves before we eat of the Lord's table. In order to bring anything to the cross that needs to be repented of. To cleanse our conscience anew as needed.
Titus 3:
4-5: "But when the goodness and loving kindness of God our Savior appeared, he saved us, not because of WORKS DONE BY US IN RIGHTEOUSNESS, but according to his own mercy, by the WASHING ( this is a continuous act of.....ing) of regeneration and renewal of the Holy Spirit." KJV
4-5: "But when the goodness and loving kindness of God our Savior appeared, he saved us, not because of WORKS DONE BY US IN RIGHTEOUSNESS, but according to his own mercy, by the WASHING ( this is a continuous act of.....ing) of regeneration and renewal of the Holy Spirit." KJV
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