'Death is swallowed up in victory' -When?

[bbyrd009]

Please describe the Lake of Fire.
Is it only 100 acres large, or maybe 10,000 acres? If you don't know, then one can say the whole earth!!
As it was so with the Flood, by which heaven rained down rain from heaven, and all the aquifers of the whole earth were unleashed!
So in likeness (type and antitype), Jesus, in all His Glory, shall return from Heaven
in flaming fire, raining fire down from Heaven, and all of the LAVA of the Mantel, underneath the Crust of the whole earth, will be unleashed, hence "the Lake of Fire", of which is where the Beast and the False Prophet are (on earth), as well as hell, which are all the graves of the unsaved!

Yes!! All of the earth, the heavens (planets, sun, moon) the beast, the false prophet, the unsaved dead, shall be burned up!
Read 2 Peter 3 until you understand!!

wadr i think two diff events are being conflated there; yes, our entire solar system will be consumed by our sun, billions of years from now most likely, but this does not portray the lake of fire spiritually, at least i dont think

Yah is surely the All-Consuming fire tho, yeh

 

[bbyrd009]

So, if you regressed (remembered) back far enough, you could remember the day you came to what we call "self-consciousness," even though to us adults we have now completely forgotten the days when we looked in a mirror and could not even recognize our "selves."

Then you will know when "death is swallowed up in victory" imo. Or go have that convo with a three year old even, or maybe like up to about age seven or so? They know something we have forgotten i guess. But an 8 year old is prolly too old? Their ego is more fully formed, and they start talking like lawyers too? They have "eaten the fruit of the tree of knowledge" by then yeh?

We can see in "sprinkling/raining" that we already do that as little kids around other little kids, right, we "proxy" for adults that we respect who have told us some fact? "It is sprinkling, ergo it cannot be raining?"

 

[BARNEY BRIGHT]

Please describe the Lake of Fire.
Is it only 100 acres large, or maybe 10,000 acres? If you don't know, then one can say the whole earth!!
As it was so with the Flood, by which heaven rained down rain from heaven, and all the aquifers of the whole earth were unleashed!
So in likeness (type and antitype), Jesus, in all His Glory, shall return from Heaven
in flaming fire, raining fire down from Heaven, and all of the LAVA of the Mantel, underneath the Crust of the whole earth, will be unleashed, hence "the Lake of Fire", of which is where the Beast and the False Prophet are (on earth), as well as hell, which are all the graves of the unsaved!

Yes!! All of the earth, the heavens (planets, sun, moon) the beast, the false prophet, the unsaved dead, shall be burned up!
Read 2 Peter 3 until you understand!!

How about you stick to the scriptures. Like I said the scriptures don't say planet Earth is thrown into the Lake of fire. You trying to dictate to me that I have to abide by your interpretations doesn't wash with me. You show me in Scripture where it says planet Earth is thrown into the lake of fire and I'll agree with that cause that's what God has to say about the matter. God is greater and wiser than any imperfect humans interpretations.

 

[Nancy]

Simplicity is a great virtue. It is the shortest and safer way to heaven. The intellectual path may be more scenic, but is long-winded and treacherous.

Quote:

Walk before God in simplicity, and not in subtleties of the mind. Simplicity brings faith; but subtle and intricate speculations bring conceit; and conceit brings withdrawal from God. - Saint Isaac of Syria
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God bless you too! :)

Amen to that brother. :)

 

[Earburner]

I understand that it's your interpretations you have faith in, so be it, but like I said the scripture at 2Peter 3:5,6 is very clear. I'll believe what's written down, you continue to believe your interpretations. I have no faith in an imperfect persons interpretations. You have a right to your interpretations, I just disagree with your interpretations.
Also the scriptures don't say planet earth is thrown into the lake of fire. It says, the wild beast, the false prophet, Satan and his demons, those humans who worship Satan, death and the grave are thrown into the lake of fire, but nowhere does it say planet earth is thrown into the lake of fire.
Also you're interpreting the scripture at 2 Thessalonians 1:7-10 to mean the planet is being destroyed when it's obvious it's intelligent beings, wicked mankind being destroyed not the planet itself.
I understand that like many others, you believe that 2 Peter 3:10-12 when talking about the elements being destroyed you believe it's the dirt and rocks that being talked about being destroyed. I believe the elements which are destroyed is the spirit that
motivates ungodly mankind to think, plan, speak and act in their God-dishonoring way will be dissolved or reduced to nothingness. (Compare Acts 9:1; Ephesians 2:1-3.) This will spell the end for all the philosophies, theories, arrangements and schemes that reflect the spirit of mankind alienated from the Most High.

If this text (2 Peter 3:7, 10 mean that the literal planet Earth is to be consumed by fire, Such a literal view, conflicts with the assurance contained in such texts as Matthew 6:10, Psalm 37:29 and 104:5, also Proverbs 2:21, 22. The term “earth” in the quoted text of 2 Peter 3: 7,10 I believe must be understood in a different sense than the literal planet Earth.

At Genesis 11:1, First Kings 2:1, 2, First Chronicles 16:31, Psalm 96:1, etc., the term “earth” is used in a figurative sense, referring to mankind, to human society. I believe that's the case at 2 Peter 3:7, 10 and Revelation 21:1.

Note that, in the context, at 2 Peter 3:5, 6 (also 2:5, 9), a parallel is drawn with the Flood of Noah’s day, in which wicked human society was destroyed, but Noah and his household, as well as the globe itself, were preserved. Likewise, at 2 Peter 3:7 it says that the ones to be destroyed are “ungodly men.” The view that “the earth” here refers to wicked human society fully agrees with the rest of the Bible, as is illustrated by the texts cited above. It is that symbolic “earth,” or wicked human society, that is “discovered”; that is, Jehovah will sear away as by fire all disguise, exposing the wickedness of ungodly human society and showing it to be worthy of complete destruction. That wicked society of humans is also “the first earth,” referred to at Revelation 21:1 (KJ).

In some ways, we have a little bit in common!
As I did say:
"So then, what shall appear after this physical earth and celestial heavens are destroyed?
Ans. 2 Peter 3:13, the New Heaven and New earth, of which will be like nothing that we have ever known, or can imagine!"
Why?
Ans. Jesus Himself is the New Heaven, and we ourselves, who are BODILY resurrected after His Immortal likeness, will be the New Earth!!
Why?
Because, WITHIN EACH OF US, who are of faith in Jesus, IS WHERE the Father desires TO DWELL.
"Marvel not that I said unto you,
Ye MUST BE born again [now]".

Now, if you will stay focussed on that, and lose the LIE about "a thousand years of peace" on a destroyed planet earth, you will see how the NT scriptures line up.
Here is one verse that is VERY fitting for such a false belief system, that most of the churches promote:
1 Thessalonians 5[3] For when they shall say, Peace and safety; then sudden destruction cometh upon them, as travail upon a woman with child; and they shall not escape.
Again see also: 2 Thessalonians 1:8.
There will be NO ESCAPEES to repopulate a burnt out earth! It won't be there!!

Don't believe their LIE of "STRONG delusion". 2 Thessalonians 2-12
[11] And for this cause God shall send them strong delusion, that they should believe a lie:
[12] That they all might be damned who believed not the truth, but had pleasure in unrighteousness.

 

[Earburner]

Barney,
Please think on this:
"There can always be more than one lie, but there can never be more than one truth"- Earburner.

 

[Earburner]

How about you stick to the scriptures. Like I said the scriptures don't say planet Earth is thrown into the Lake of fire. You trying to dictate to me that I have to abide by your interpretations doesn't wash with me. You show me in Scripture where it says planet Earth is thrown into the lake of fire and I'll agree with that cause that's what God has to say about the matter. God is greater and wiser than any imperfect humans interpretations.

Lol!!! I am sticking with the scriptures. I post them in most everything I say!!
So how about you learning HOW the Holy Spirit guides us, and not by some pre-canned mantra, from a "religious" church doctrine!!
John 16:13

 

[Earburner]

So, if you regressed (remembered) back far enough, you could remember the day you came to what we call "self-consciousness," even though to us adults we have now completely forgotten the days when we looked in a mirror and could not even recognize our "selves."

Then you will know when "death is swallowed up in victory" imo. Or go have that convo with a three year old even, or maybe like up to about age seven or so? They know something we have forgotten i guess. But an 8 year old is prolly too old? Their ego is more fully formed, and they start talking like lawyers too? They have "eaten the fruit of the tree of knowledge" by then yeh?

We can see in "sprinkling/raining" that we already do that as little kids around other little kids, right, we "proxy" for adults that we respect who have told us some fact? "It is sprinkling, ergo it cannot be raining?"

Byrd,
I have no idea from where you are coming from, except maybe a personally held philosophy. Other than that, I don't see or hear anything that is scriptural, or the understanding of the same, by the Lord's Holy Spirit. John 16:13.

 

[bbyrd009]

Byrd,
I have no idea from where you are coming from, except maybe a personally held philosophy. Other than that, I don't see or hear anything that is scriptural, or the understanding of the same, by the Lord's Holy Spirit. John 16:13.

which is one reason why that was not addressed to you sir, how bout you reply to the one that was maybe?

and for the rest of us, it is known as "pre-reflective self-consciousness," or not exactly, that is a cousin so to speak--you as an adult doing something engrossing enoug that you lose your "self" in it, more or less--but then the fact that a one year old does not recognize themselves in a mirror is universal anyway, and nowhere near a "personally held philosophy"

 

[bbyrd009]

worm

 

[Earburner]

worm

When you address my post with its copy, make your comment, and then continue with a new post, without a copy, its easy to assume that your post following, is addressed to the last poster in the discussion.
Case in point: this your post, with the word "worm". Is that addressed to me, or some other poster, that will have to assume also that it might be to them?

 

[bbyrd009]

When you address my post with its copy, make your comment, and then continue with a new post, without a copy, its easy to assume that your post following, is addressed to the last poster in the discussion.
Case in point: this your post, with the word "worm". Is that addressed to me, or some other poster, that will have to assume also that it might be to them?

yes

or i mean to anyone who feels inclined to worm, which is a time-honored human practice, i even indulge in it myself eh

when you ignore my post that i specifically copied your post to reply to you in, and then you ignore that and go chasing after other subjects or even irrelevancies, it is easy to assume that you are trying to worm ok, nothing personal honest

Byrd,
I have no idea from where you are coming from, except maybe a personally held philosophy. Other than that, I don't see or hear anything that is scriptural, or the understanding of the same, by the Lord's Holy Spirit. John 16:13.

Earburner, I could not care less about your opinion on that subject that i was already aware you are nowhere near ready to discuss yet, which is why i did not tag you in it. While there are Scriptures on the matter, they did not have the term "ego" back then, and no offense but i dont think our relationship would be conducive to a Scriptural discussion of that matter right now anyway, since your main concern seems to be to condemn me

ok?

now fwiw i am aware that i am terrible, and may very likely owe you an apology for some past slight, or too-pointed factoid or whatever it may have been, bc i am basically a damaged idiot who does not know how to talk to ppl. So i apologize ok

Barney,
Please think on this:
"There can always be more than one lie, but there can never be more than one truth"- Earburner.

horse-puckey, and the worst lie ever told to boot imo
fascist crap

"eat your vegetables" is great advice for us, but is senseless to an Eskimo, who has no word for "vegetables!"

 

[bbyrd009]

there are a zillion truths out there imo, depending upon the moment i guess, the specific factors that are only expressed in now, and might never manifest again.

Any time any one tells you something definitely, they are absolutely, positively wrong, as Scripture will even tell you; not them, bc they can not hear, but you

 

[BARNEY BRIGHT]

In some ways, we have a little bit in common!
As I did say:
"So then, what shall appear after this physical earth and celestial heavens are destroyed?
Ans. 2 Peter 3:13, the New Heaven and New earth, of which will be like nothing that we have ever known, or can imagine!"
Why?
Ans. Jesus Himself is the New Heaven, and we ourselves, who are BODILY resurrected after His Immortal likeness, will be the New Earth!!
Why?
Because, WITHIN EACH OF US, who are of faith in Jesus, IS WHERE the Father desires TO DWELL.
"Marvel not that I said unto you,
Ye MUST BE born again [now]".

Now, if you will stay focussed on that, and lose the LIE about "a thousand years of peace" on a destroyed planet earth, you will see how the NT scriptures line up.
Here is one verse that is VERY fitting for such a false belief system, that most of the churches promote:
1 Thessalonians 5[3] For when they shall say, Peace and safety; then sudden destruction cometh upon them, as travail upon a woman with child; and they shall not escape.
Again see also: 2 Thessalonians 1:8.
There will be NO ESCAPEES to repopulate a burnt out earth! It won't be there!!

Don't believe their LIE of "STRONG delusion". 2 Thessalonians 2-12
[11] And for this cause God shall send them strong delusion, that they should believe a lie:
[12] That they all might be damned who believed not the truth, but had pleasure in unrighteousness.

Honestly, I believe that you're the one who's believing the lie of strong delusion. I believe that Jesus Christ along with those who The True God Jehovah has chosen to be kings, Priests and judges with him in that heavenly Messianic kingdom and who like Jesus gets a resurrection like him who was given immortality and inherited incorruption when he was resurrected so do these who are kings, Priests and Judges with Jesus in that heavenly Messianic kingdom. Jesus along with these Jehovah God has chosen from among mankind to be kings, Priests and Judges in that heavenly Messianic kingdom are the ones who will rule over Earth. This the New Heaven. The New Earth they rule over is this same planet but with only righteous humans on it.
Also while I do believe in a peaceful planet Earth, I believe that peace will last for eternity. Those who survive Armageddon will have the work of cleaning up the earth and clearing away the ruins of this old system. And then they will have the privilege, under the direction of the Kingdom rule, of cultivating the earth and making it a beautiful place in which to live. What a happy work that will be! God will bless everything that is done. He will provide the right kind of climate to grow crops and raise livestock, and he will see to it that these are protected from disease and harm.

At 1 Thessalonians 5:3 when it says They(meaning the unrighteous) start saying peace and security then sudden destruction is upon them(meaning the unrighteous) and they(again meaning the unrighteous) will not escape. It's the unrighteous who will not escape. God isn't talking about the righteous saying peace and security or that sudden destruction will be on the righteous. The True God is talking about the unrighteous. Jesus said just as the days of Noah so will it be in the last days. Just as there were righteous people survive the flood there will be those righteous humans who will survive Armageddon. They will pass through the great tribulation and Armageddon on into the New Earth without dying. The planet earth will not be a burnt up planet, the fire represents total destruction of a wicked human society being destroyed off planet earth not planet Earth being destroyed.
God created the physical universe along with planet Earth to exist forever. I know you and others have never believed that God loved mankind so much he wanted them to live forever but I do and will always believe God loved mankind so much that he wanted them to exist forever. So when God put Adam on Earth in the garden of Eden I can see by the commands God gave mankind that he wanted them to fill the whole planet with humans extending that Garden of Eden as they filled the planet. I see the command that God gave Adam to not eat the forbidden fruit because God didn't want Adam to die. God loved Adam, why would God want anyone he loves to die. That means since God wanted Adam to live and not die and he put him on planet Earth it's reasonable to understand that God created the planet Earth and therefore the physical universe to exist forever. Just because of what Satan the devil and Adam and Eve did when they sinned doesn't stop God from accomplishing that purpose regarding mankind and this planet Earth. Isaiah 55:10,11

 

[BARNEY BRIGHT]

Lol!!! I am sticking with the scriptures. I post them in most everything I say!!
So how about you learning HOW the Holy Spirit guides us, and not by some pre-canned mantra, from a "religious" church doctrine!!
John 16:13

No, your going by you interpretations. What's this you asking anyone about the size of the lake of fire when you know that anyone including you who is asking anybody to give their assumptions as to how big the lake of fire is, is just that, an imperfect persons assumptions. STOP THAT. I care little about anyone's assumptions or their personal interpretations of Scripture. So I ask again, where in the scriptures does it say the planet earth is thrown into the lake of fire.

 

[bbyrd009]

 

[Earburner]

now fwiw i am aware that i am terrible, and may very likely owe you an apology for some past slight, or too-pointed factoid or whatever it may have been, bc i am basically a damaged idiot who does not know how to talk to ppl. So i apologize ok

Having no problem with our communications, just the mechanics of this method of communication. Sometimes its down right confusing!

horse-puckey, and the worst lie ever told to boot imo
fascist crap

As I did say: "...there can never be more than one truth."
Jesus is "the truth". Surely you didn't mean that there are others, especially when He said it in the singular, and applied to Himself as being the only truth.

 

[Earburner]

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Yeah! That is the point exactly! But unfortunately the ALL the characters in the cartoon MISSED what God's will IS.
John 6[40] And this is the will of him that sent me, that every one which seeth the Son, and believeth on him, may have everlasting life: and I will raise him up at the last day.

 

[amadeus]

Yeah! That is the point exactly! But unfortunately the ALL the characters in the cartoon MISSED what God's will IS.
John 6[40] And this is the will of him that sent me, that every one which seeth the Son, and believeth on him, may have everlasting life: and I will raise him up at the last day.

It is not that there is more than one Jesus, meaning one truth. It is that everyone, who has any knowledge of that truth, which Jesus is, disagrees with many others, who also say that they know Jesus. This is true of you and it is true of me... until we have it all... or until we see his face! Who sees his face clearly now?

"And he took the blind man by the hand, and led him out of the town; and when he had spit on his eyes, and put his hands upon him, he asked him if he saw ought.
And he looked up, and said, I see men as trees, walking.
After that he put his hands again upon his eyes, and made him look up: and he was restored, and saw every man clearly." Mark 8:23-25

What did it take for that blind man to see clearly? What will it take for you and for me?

 

[Earburner]

No, your going by you interpretations. What's this you asking anyone about the size of the lake of fire when you know that anyone including you who is asking anybody to give their assumptions as to how big the lake of fire is, is just that, an imperfect persons assumptions. STOP THAT. I care little about anyone's assumptions or their personal interpretations of Scripture. So I ask again, where in the scriptures does it say the planet earth is thrown into the lake of fire.

Well, if you are looking for the word "thrown" or "cast", then you will find that word to be in association with the words "death and hell", of which are descriptive of " sheol", the graves or the "pits" of the dead that are in the earth, being typically 6 feet deep.
Now of course one must make use of sensible understanding. Will God take all the millions of graves of the dead, pick them up, and throw/cast them into a Lake of Fire, that some do think is only a little lake, somewhere in eternity, eternally burning?
The ONLY Eternal Fire, that is ALWAYS burning is God Himself, of which in Jesus' return, He will be that "flaming fire".

There is NOTHING eternal about the elements of this earth, and is therefore subject to burning. What is Lava?

So then, when Eternal flaming fire (God) comes into close proximity with that which is subject to burning, IT WILL BURN and be "consumed" with Eternal fire, until the fuel of itself is exhausted, and then becomes ash. Even 6 feet down.

However, the Eternal flaming fire of Christ, will never go out, nor be extinguished.
Hence the reason why "flesh and blood cannot inherit the KoG". 1 Corinthians 15:50.