Daniel's Final "one week" of Daniel 9:27 Made Simple

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Once again, READ THE SCRIPTURE...

Dan 9:24
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Seventy weeks are determined upon thy people and upon thy holy city, to finish the transgression, and to make an end of sins, and to make reconciliation for iniquity, and to bring in everlasting righteousness, and to seal up the vision and prophecy, and to anoint the most Holy.
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NOT fulfilled yet today for JERUSALEM and her people, THE UNBELIEVING JEWS:

1. "to finish the transgression" = the "abomination of desolation" Jesus warned us about for the end of this, which has NOT HAPPENED YET TODAY.

2. "and to make an end of sins" = NOT fulfilled yet today for the UNBELIEVING MAJORITY of JEWS in today's JERUSALEM. They still reject Jesus as Messiah.

3. "and to make reconciliation for iniquity" = not fulfilled. The greatest event of iniquity in Jerusalem is still yet to come when the majority of UNBELIEVING JEWS in today's Jerusalem will accept the coming FALSE MESSIAH in place of the TRUE MESSIAH JESUS CHRIST.

4. "and to bring in everlasting righteousness" = not yet fulfilled for Jerusalem and the unbelieving Jew majority there. One of the worse unrighteous acts by them in Jerusalem is still yet to come for the end, their worship of the coming Antichrist, the false-Messiah.

5. "and to seal up the vision and prophecy" = definitely easy to know not fulfilled yet just by reading these prophecies in that Dan.9:24 verse!

6. "and to anoint the most Holy" = not fulfilled yet. Even the unbelieving Jews' next temple they will build for the end isn't manifest yet today, but will be for the end, for the coming false-Messiah to sit in and play The Christ. Then with Jesus' future return, He will build the temple, like the Zechariah 6 prophecy reveals.

Brethren in Christ:
BEWARE of folks with a mindset like those Dan.9:24 prophecies for the Jews in Jerusalem have already been fulfilled by Christ today. They have not! This warning to my Christian brethren includes... the idea that many of today's Jews have that today's nation of Israel is God's FINISHED status under Christ when it is NOT!

Already today, many of the super-religious Orthodox Jews in Jerusalem have been inviting Christian Churches with asking them for funds and help in order to re-establish their temple, and in secret, which they don't let on to those supporting Churches, that they plan to re-establish their old covenant style worship with a temple and animal sacrifices.

Even in the past decade, unltra-orthodox unbelieving Jews in Jerusalem have been doing passover animal sacrifices on a hill overlooking the temple mount. Don't be deceived about this by the Jews that come here which do believe on Jesus Christ, because the Orthodox Jews influence their take on Christian doctrine.
Davy,

There is a FUTURE Restoration for the Jewish people and Israel = ONLY thru that which MESSIAH fulfilled in Himself = Daniel 9:24

The OT prophet Jeremiah confirms Daniel 9:24 as does the LORD Jesus Christ in Matt 23:37-39
 

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Brethren in Christ:

This is a subject in God's written Word that most Churches will not teach, and when many hear about it they cannot believe it because they don't study all their Bible for theirselves. It should be taught in Church, but the status quo is to stay away from any seemingly controversial Bible subject, and instead keep people on the 'milk' of The Word. Well, Lord Jesus covered this subject in Matthew 13 within His parable of the tares of the field, so we as Christians are supposed to know about it.

I have to say it, whether my Christian brethren believe it or not...

... but there are 'false Jews' (the "tares" of Jesus' parable in Matthew 13), that crept in among Judah long, long ago, and those tares lie and claim to be Jews when they are not, but are the "synagogue of Satan". Yes, those 'false Jews' literally... work for the devil while in hiding among true Jews.

Recall the two baskets of figs which God showed His prophet Jeremiah in Jeremiah 24. One basket of figs was good to eat, but the other basket of figs were "evil". God showed the good basket of figs represent Judah, meaning true Jews of the seed of Israel. But He did not explain who the basket of evil figs represent; we were supposed to already know from Bible history about the creeping in among Judah of the "tares".

One of true Judah's major problems throughout Bible history has been their NOT recognizing those "tares" working in secret against them behind the scenes. This is still true even among today's Messianic congregation of believing Jews. Those "tares" that have crept in, Jesus showed will not be removed from among true Judah until Lord Jesus Christ returns, and then He and His angels will do the separating of those "tares" (devil's workers) from the good wheat (true Jews), (Matt.13).

This matter is a mystery, simply because when Jesus gave His parable of the tares of the field to the multitude, His disciples then in 'private' asked Him to explain the meaning of the parable to them, and He did. And His explanation is recorded for those of His servants still today, in Matthew 13. So don't go thinking I am off base with this, because I am not, but instead showing how even many of true brother Judah can be deceived by those "tares" today, and all the way to the future coming by Christ Jesus.

Just as the "tares" influence Christian doctrine within mainstream Churches today, they also do the same within the Messianic Jewish Churches. God allows this, as He wants to see who will listen to HIM in HIS WORD, and not man's word influenced by the "tares". So don't be deceived, stick to what God's Word says as written.
 
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Brethren in Christ:

This is a subject in God's written Word that most Churches will not teach, and when many hear about it they cannot believe it because they don't study all their Bible for theirselves. It should be taught in Church, but the status quo is to stay away from any seemingly controversial Bible subject, and instead keep people on the 'milk' of The Word. Well, Lord Jesus covered this subject in Matthew 13 within His parable of the tares of the field, so we as Christians are supposed to know about it.

I have to say it, whether my Christian brethren believe it or not...

... but there are 'false Jews' (the "tares" of Jesus' parable in Matthew 13), that crept in among Judah long, long ago, and those tares lie and claim to be Jews when they are not, but are the "synagogue of Satan". Yes, those 'false Jews' literally... work for the devil while in hiding among true Jews.

Recall the two baskets of figs which God showed His prophet Jeremiah in Jeremiah 24. One basket of figs was good to eat, but the other basket of figs were "evil". God showed the good basket of figs represent Judah, meaning true Jews of the seed of Israel. But He did not explain who the basket of evil figs represent; we were supposed to already know from Bible history about the creeping in among Judah of the "tares".

One of true Judah's major problems throughout Bible history has been their NOT recognizing those "tares" working in secret against them behind the scenes. This is still true even among today's Messianic congregation of believing Jews. Those "tares" that have crept in, Jesus showed will not be removed from among true Judah until Lord Jesus Christ returns, and then He and His angels will do the separating of those "tares" (devil's workers) from the good wheat (true Jews), (Matt.13).

This matter is a mystery, simply because when Jesus gave His parable of the tares of the field to the multitude, His disciples then in 'private' asked Him to explain the meaning of the parable to them, and He did. And His explanation is recorded for those of His servants still today, in Matthew 13. So don't go thinking I am off base with this, because I am not, but instead showing how even many of true brother Judah can be deceived by those "tares" today, and all the way to the future coming by Christ Jesus.

Just as the "tares" influence Christian doctrine within mainstream Churches today, they also do the same within the Messianic Jewish Churches. God allows this, as He wants to see who will listen to HIM in HIS WORD, and not man's word influenced by the "tares". So don't be deceived, stick to what God's Word says as written.
Wisdom = "So don't be deceived, stick to what God's Word says as written."

Now Follow the Wisdom of God = as written AND stick to it @Davy

Daniel 9:24 = fulfilled in YHWH Yahshua Hamashiach = "the LION of the Tribe of Judah"

And as Moses lifted up the serpent in the wilderness, even so must the Son of Man be lifted up, that whoever believes in Him should not perish but have eternal life. For God so loved the world that He gave His only begotten Son, that whoever believes in Him should not perish but have everlasting life. For God did not send His Son into the world to condemn the world, but that the world through Him might be saved.

Therefore it was necessary that the copies of the things in the heavens should be purified with these, but the heavenly things themselves with better sacrifices than these. For Christ has not entered the holy places made with hands, which are copies of the true, but into heaven itself, now to appear in the presence of God for us; not that He should offer Himself often,
as the high priest enters the Most Holy Place every year with blood of another—
He then would have had to suffer often since the foundation of the world; but now, once at the end of the ages,
He has appeared to put away sin by the sacrifice of Himself.
And as it is appointed for men to die once, but after this the judgment, so Christ was offered once to bear the sins of many.
To those who eagerly wait for Him He will appear a second time, apart from sin, for salvation.

And He commanded us to preach to the people, and to testify that it is He who was ordained by God to be Judge of the living and the dead.
To Him all the prophets witness that, through His name, whoever believes in Him will receive remission of sins.”

But the Holy Spirit also witnesses to us; for after He had said before,

“This is the covenant that I will make with them after those days, says the Lord: I will put My laws into their hearts, and in their minds I will write them,” then He adds, “Their sins and their lawless deeds I will remember no more.”
Now where there is remission of these, there is no longer an offering for sin. = Daniel 9:24
 
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The Truth is that it is impossible for Jesus to have fulfilled the final 70 "week", simply because He had already been crucified on the cross to end the 69th week.
70 weeks brings full and complete atonement through his blood shed on the cross. Not 69.

Heb 9
11 But when Christ appeared as a High Priest of the good things to come [that is, true spiritual worship], He entered through the greater and more perfect tabernacle, not made with hands, that is to say, not a part of this [material] creation. 12 He went once for all into the Holy Place [the Holy of Holies of heaven, into the presence of God], and not through the blood of goats and calves, but through His own blood, having obtained and secured eternal redemption [that is, the salvation of all who personally believe in Him as Savior].


15 For this reason He is the Mediator and Negotiator of a new covenant [that is, an entirely new agreement uniting God and man], so that those who have been called [by God] may receive [the fulfillment of] the promised eternal inheritance, since a death has taken place [as the payment] which redeems them from the sins committed under the obsolete first covenant.


24 For Christ did not enter into a holy place made with hands, a mere copy of the true one, but [He entered] into heaven itself, now to appear in the very presence of God on our behalf; 25 nor did He [enter into the heavenly sanctuary to] offer Himself again and again, as the high priest enters the Holy Place every year with blood that is not his own. 26 Otherwise, He would have needed to suffer over and over since the foundation of the world; but now once for all at the consummation of the ages He has appeared and been publicly manifested to put away sin by the sacrifice of Himself. 27 And just as it is appointed and destined for all men to die once and after this [comes certain] judgment, 28 so Christ, having been offered once and once for all to bear [as a burden] the sins of many, will appear a second time [when he returns to earth], not to deal with sin, but to bring salvation to those who are eagerly and confidently waiting for Him.
 

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70 weeks brings full and complete atonement through his blood shed on the cross. Not 69.
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Davy

The above statement is only a doctrine of men type statement, it is not Biblical.


Really,
Dan 9
24 “Seventy weeks [of years, or 490 years] have been decreed for your people and for your holy city (Jerusalem),

to finish the transgression,
to make an end of sins,
to make atonement (reconciliation) for wickedness,
to bring in everlasting righteousness (right-standing with God),
to seal up vision and prophecy and prophet, and
to anoint the Most Holy Place.

Only the Lord's blood makes this all possible, not the doctrines of men.
 
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Davy

The above statement is only a doctrine of men type statement, it is not Biblical.


Really,
Dan 9
24 “Seventy weeks [of years, or 490 years] have been decreed for your people and for your holy city (Jerusalem),

to finish the transgression,
to make an end of sins,
to make atonement (reconciliation) for wickedness,
to bring in everlasting righteousness (right-standing with God),
to seal up vision and prophecy and prophet, and
to anoint the Most Holy Place.

Only the Lord's blood makes this all possible, not the doctrines of men.

Still NOT... fulfilled yet FOR TODAY'S ORTHODOX JEWS IN JERUSALEM, which make up the majority of the people of Israel in the nation of Israel today, the AREA and PEOPLE the 70 weeks prophecy is given ABOUT.

Thus it is foolishness to claim that has been fulfilled for the Jews today WHEN IT HAS NOT YET. Only someone that is deceived would say it has.
 

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TODAY'S ORTHODOX JEWS IN JERUSALEM, which make up the majority of the people of Israel in the nation of Israel
They don't.

"The ultra-Orthodox population is relatively young and numbered more than 1.1 million in 2020 (approximately 14% of Israel’s total)."

Nor does Scripture anywhere refer to a "majority".

Romans 9
27 Esaias also crieth concerning Israel, Though the number of the children of Israel be as the sand of the sea, a remnant shall be saved:

Who's been deceived? :laughing:
 
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Still NOT... fulfilled yet FOR TODAY'S ORTHODOX JEWS IN JERUSALEM, which make up the majority of the people of Israel in the nation of Israel today, the AREA and PEOPLE the 70 weeks prophecy is given ABOUT.

Thus it is foolishness to claim that has been fulfilled for the Jews today WHEN IT HAS NOT YET. Only someone that is deceived would say it has.
There is not one recognized defender of the True Faith in 17 centuries of Christian orthodoxy before the 19th century who denies that Christ fulfilled Daniel 9:24 completely and perfectly at Calvary.

Not one.

Who's been deceived? :laughing:
 
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Still NOT... fulfilled yet FOR TODAY'S ORTHODOX JEWS IN JERUSALEM, which make up the majority of the people of Israel in the nation of Israel today, the AREA and PEOPLE the 70 weeks prophecy is given ABOUT.

The majority in Jesus day rejected Jesus words, and had him killed. That is why this was fulfilled...,

Dan 9
26 Then after the sixty-two weeks [of years] the Anointed One will be cut off and have nothing [and no one to defend Him], and the people of the [other] prince who is to come will destroy the city and the sanctuary.

Lk 19
41 As He approached Jerusalem, He saw the city and wept over it [and the spiritual ignorance of its people], 42 saying, “If [only] you had known on this day [of salvation], even you, the things which make for peace [and on which peace depends]! But now they have been hidden from your eyes.

43 For a time [of siege] is coming when your enemies will put up a barricade [with pointed stakes] against you, and surround you [with armies] and hem you in on every side, 44 and they will level you to the ground, you [Jerusalem] and your children within you.

They will not leave in you one stone on another, all because you did not [come progressively to] recognize [from observation and personal experience] the time of your visitation [when God was gracious toward you and offered you salvation].”
Thus it is foolishness to claim that has been fulfilled for the Jews today WHEN IT HAS NOT YET. Only someone that is deceived would say it has.
It would not be possible to be filled with the Holy Spirit if it wasn't.

Grace [be granted] to you and peace [inner calm and spiritual well-being], from Him Who is [existing forever] and Who was [continually existing in the past] and Who is to come, and from the seven Spirits that are before His throne, 5 and from Jesus Christ, the faithful and trustworthy Witness, the Firstborn of the dead, and the Ruler of the kings of the earth.
To Him who [always] loves us and who [has once for all] freed us [or washed us] from our sins by His own blood (His sacrificial death)— 6 and formed us into a kingdom [as His subjects], priests to His God and Father—to Him be the glory and the power and the majesty and the dominion forever and ever. Amen. 7 Behold, He is coming with the clouds, and every eye will see Him, even those who pierced Him; and all the tribes (nations) of the earth will mourn over Him [realizing their sin and guilt, and anticipating the coming wrath]. So it is to be. Amen.

Heb 10
12 whereas Christ, having offered the one sacrifice [the all-sufficient sacrifice of Himself] for sins for all time, sat down [signifying the completion of atonement for sin] at the right hand of God [the position of honor], 13 waiting from that time onward until his enemies are made a footstool for His feet. 14 For by the one offering He has perfected forever and completely cleansed those who are being sanctified [bringing each believer to spiritual completion and maturity]. 15 And the Holy Spirit also adds His testimony to us [in confirmation of this]; for after having said,

16
“This is the covenant that I will make with them
After those days, says the Lord:
I will imprint My laws upon their heart,
And on their mind I will inscribe them [producing an inward change],”
He then says,

17
“And their sins and their lawless acts
I will remember no more [no longer holding their sins against them].”
18 Now where there is [absolute] forgiveness and complete cancellation of the penalty of these things, there is no longer any offering [to be made to atone] for sin.
 
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The majority in Jesus day rejected Jesus words, and had him killed. That is why this was fulfilled...,

Dan 9
26 Then after the sixty-two weeks [of years] the Anointed One will be cut off and have nothing [and no one to defend Him], and the people of the [other] prince who is to come will destroy the city and the sanctuary.

The Daniel 9:25 verse, which YOU LEFT OUT, goes with that Daniel 9:26 verse about Messiah. So already here, you are trying to MANIPULATE that Scripture instead of addressing it as written.

Lk 19
41 As He approached Jerusalem, He saw the city and wept over it [and the spiritual ignorance of its people], 42 saying, “If [only] you had known on this day [of salvation], even you, the things which make for peace [and on which peace depends]! But now they have been hidden from your eyes.

43 For a time [of siege] is coming when your enemies will put up a barricade [with pointed stakes] against you, and surround you [with armies] and hem you in on every side, 44 and they will level you to the ground, you [Jerusalem] and your children within you.

Yet today, what does the city of Jerusalem look like? It's been built up again, hasn't it, and Lord Jesus has still... NOT YET RETURNED TODAY! Thus Christ's Olivet discourse prophecy about not one stone standing atop another even at the Temple Mount has still yet to come to pass!

Here, maybe you Preterists need a reminder:

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It would not be possible to be filled with the Holy Spirit if it wasn't.

Sounds like pro-Jewish Messianic theory. Sorry, but the Jews which Apostle Paul said God had spiritually blinded away from The Gospel of Jesus Christ, are still those Orthodox unbelieving Jew majority living in the nation state of Israel today.
The majority of them there, and in the world, still... reject Jesus of Nazareth as The Christ.

Thus it is not Biblical to push a wishing-well theory about the unbelieving Jews today that still reject Jesus Christ. When God removes their spiritual blindness when Jesus returns, that will be their time to understand and believe, or continue to reject Jesus.

The Daniel 9 seventy weeks prophecy is specifically applied to Jerusalem and Daniel's people, the Jews. So we cannot apply Christ's Salvation to the majority of them, because they still reject Jesus today. Thus it is ignorance to try and apply all those things in Daniel 9 as already having been fulfilled for the Jews today.
 

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Sounds like pro-Jewish Messianic theory. Sorry, but the Jews which Apostle Paul said God had spiritually blinded away from The Gospel of Jesus Christ, are still those Orthodox unbelieving Jew majority living in the nation state of Israel today.
The majority of them there, and in the world, still... reject Jesus of Nazareth as The Christ.

Thus it is not Biblical to push a wishing-well theory about the unbelieving Jews today that still reject Jesus Christ. When God removes their spiritual blindness when Jesus returns, that will be their time to understand and believe, or continue to reject Jesus.

The Daniel 9 seventy weeks prophecy is specifically applied to Jerusalem and Daniel's people, the Jews. So we cannot apply Christ's Salvation to the majority of them, because they still reject Jesus today. Thus it is ignorance to try and apply all those things in Daniel 9 as already having been fulfilled for the Jews today.
You are right to say that Chapter 9, as well as all of the visions were written to the Jews and His city! This is exactly the “big picture” of the Book of Daniel.

The Book of Daniel is all about the restoration of His people and His city AFTER their 70 year punishment and exile in Babylon.

It begins with their captivity. It reveals their life while in Babylon. While there, God gives us the long term prophecy of the 4 kingdoms that He has selected to place His messianic prophecies, and many others, in.

And He will reveal them to us as His people travel through these 4 kingdoms. He will give Daniel the most important prophecy in the Bible! The 70 weeks of years prophecy is a prophecy that DETAILS this “restoration” of His people and His city back to its pre-exile time. Again, this is the “big picture” / purpose of these prophecies.

And within these prophecies, God will reveal His coming and crucifixion, His God given 6 fold mission (9:24), and the setting up of His church.

So, once again, Daniel is written TO and FOR His people and His city - not folks some 2000 years in the future. Certainly, the Book of Daniel is relevant to ALL people of ALL generations, but it was SPECIFICALLY GIVEN TO AND FOR THOSE WHO WERE RETURNING TO JERUSALEM.

In Chapter 2, the Stone would strike the FEET ONLY, and break into pieces the iron and the clay (ONLY) from the feet of pagan Rome. The Clay represents His people that were subjugated and controlled within pagan Rome.

His striking the feet would separate (symbolically) His people into 2 categories: those who would accept Him as their Messiah, He would refer to as “pottery clay.” Those that would continue to reject Him even after the Cross and His resurrection, would be referred to as “ceramic clay,” because their hearts were hardened and they would continue to exist as they did prior to His death. This can be found in verses 2:41-44.

Therefore, the 70 weeks of years prophecy begins in 457 BC for 490 years until 33 / 34 AD when it comes to its end. This period / prophecy covers ALMOST all of Daniel AFTER they leave Babylon. This is because it is all about THEIR RESTORATION BACK TO JERUSALEM.

However, WITHIN these prophecies for the restoration of His people and His city, God will also include the most important messianic prophecies- the coming and death of their Messiah.

Take a good look at verses 9:24-25. These 2 prophecies reveal the complete “restorative” prophecies: they tell us the physical elements of the “restoration” that will be completed. They also tell us who is responsible for their completion (His people). And finally, they also tell us when WITHIN the 70 weeks they will be completed.

You might also notice that within these 2 verses, God also tells us the LAST piece of the restoration process in this prophecy: that would be the restoration of the Ark of the Covenant in the Holy of Holies. This is the only piece of furniture the Jews could not restore. Thus, God would tell us who will restore it (Jesus would be our Ark), it tells us His mission to restore the “spiritual” elements missing from the fall, and He will tell us exactly when He will complete them.

Thus, the 70 weeks prophecy dominates the Book of Daniel in the amount of time it covers within these 12 chapters, it covers the “restoration” of His people and His city, it reveals the coming of the Messiah!

If we were to stop at the end of verse 26 then the restoration of His people, His city and all of mankind would be restored - fully restored!

But unfortunately, His people would reject and crucify their Messiah. And this would require God, who knows all things, to write verses 26 and 27. These are the 2 “destructive” verses WITHIN the 70 weeks of years prophecy. They cannot be assigned or attributed to anyone but our Messiah. They reveal the consequences of His people rejecting and crucifying their Messiah.

Consequently, these 2 verse will include the exact same physical and spiritual elements found in the 2 “restorative” verses of 24 and 25.

They tell us what is being destroyed, when they will be destroyed and how they will be destroyed. Same elements, same way of presentation. These 2 verses mirror the earlier 2 in a destructive manner (a true 4 verse chiastic structure right in front of us).

1) it is “He” not “he” who will be “cut off” (crucified) in the midst (exactly 3.5 of the last week of the prophecy) - Jesus was crucified!

It was “He” who would confirm the New Covenant (Jeremiah 31:31-34) IN / DURING / WITHIN the last 7 years of the prophecy (there is no word “for” in this prophecy. The Messiah was purposefully meant to arrive AFTER the completion of the 69th week - AFTER His people completed their part in the restoration process. Then, the Messiah would arrive to restore the Ark of the Covenant- something only He could do (and also notice that every part of the “restoration” was completed in the exact reverse order they were either taken away or destroyed by the Babylonians. Keep in mind that Jeremiah took the Ark away- first piece of furniture, so it could not be taken by the Babylonians, thus it was the last piece to be restored! It would be restored on the first day if the last week or 7 years.

All of this is messianic and speaks TO AND FOR His people and His city - THAT TIME IN OUR HISTORY.

The Messiah would be crucified,
The city would be destroyed in 70 AD,
His people would be “MADE DESOLATE” to their God as punishment for the next 2000 years! This would / will end ONLY when God deems the “time of the Gentiles” is over. Then, He will remove the blindness from their eyes exactly as He did with Paul on the road to Damascus.

But also keep in mind that IT WAS GOD’S WILL THE JEWS WERE PARTIALLY BLINDED. This was His doing so the Gentiles would come to know the One true God and be saved. The Jews really had no choice because it was God’s decision.

The last week of the prophecy belongs to Jesus. He fulfilled ALL that His Father asked of Him. The Jews fulfilled all that was asked of them RELATIVE TO THE “restoration” process. The 70 weeks of years prophecy was completed!

It was the consequences, both bad and good, that would begin to take place after the cross that continues to this very day. But it all took place at the time of Jesus.

There is no 7 year tribulation period, there is no “literal” anti-Christ, the Covenant was confirmed DURING the last 7 years (Holy Spirit was indeed sent at Pentecost). The Jews have been made “desolate” to their God for over 2000 years.

The 70 weeks of years prophecy is all about Jesus- the last week of the prophecy and what would and has resulted from His being rejected and crucified by His people WITHIN the last week of the “restoration prophecy.”
 
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The Daniel 9:25 verse, which YOU LEFT OUT, goes with that Daniel 9:26 verse about Messiah.
Lol
More than once I have discussed v 25 going with v24 if you remember.
So already here, you are trying to MANIPULATE that Scripture instead of addressing it as written.
You are the one that tried to manipulate scripture by leaving out v24, which explains that Messiah's arrival to do his work is after the 69 weeks, which you rejected.

I was making a point about the end, where the majority rejected his work, and the temple and sanctuary being destroyed.... which Jesus quoted in Lk 19.

 
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Sounds like pro-Jewish Messianic theory. Sorry, but the Jews which Apostle Paul said God had spiritually blinded away from The Gospel of Jesus Christ, are still those Orthodox unbelieving Jew majority living in the nation state of Israel today.
The majority of them there, and in the world, still... reject Jesus of Nazareth as The Christ.
Those Jews that did believe in Jesus day started the greatest movement in history. They were entrusted with the Lords ministry of reconciliation, that they took to the whole world through the Power and anointing of the Holy Spirit.
Once completed the end of the age and this planet will come, just as the Lord has said.

I'm done here.
 
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More than once I have discussed v 25 going with v24 if you remember.

You are the one that tried to manipulate scripture by leaving out v24, which explains that Messiah's arrival to do his work is after the 69 weeks, which you rejected.

I was making a point about the end, where the majority rejected his work, and the temple and sanctuary being destroyed.... which Jesus quoted in Lk 19.

I did not... mention the Daniel 9:24 verse in my explanation.

Like I said, the DANIEL 9:25 & 26 VERSES go together. YOU omitted the Daniel 9:25 verse in your coverage.

Dan 9:25-26
25 Know therefore and understand, that from the going forth of the commandment to restore and to build Jerusalem
unto the Messiah the Prince shall be seven weeks, and threescore and two weeks: the street shall be built again, and the wall, even in troublous times.

26
And after threescore and two weeks shall Messiah be cut off, but not for himself: and the people of the prince that shall come shall destroy the city and the sanctuary; and the end thereof shall be with a flood, and unto the end of the war desolations are determined.
KJV


Verse 25 above has Messiah (Jesus Christ) showing up at "seven weeks, and threescore and two weeks", which equals 69 weeks (7 + 62).


That means Jesus' Ministry happened WITHIN that 69 week period!

Verse 25 thus DEFINES HOW TO INTERPRET verse 26 about the "after threescore and two weeks".

And THIS is the reason why the false doctrine from men you follow has taught you to OMIT the Daniel 9:25 verse when speaking of that 69 weeks period when Jesus' Ministry happened. This is WHY I said that the Daniel 9:25 & 26 verses MUST go together in order to rightly interpret that period about Messiah.
 

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Those Jews that did believe in Jesus day started the greatest movement in history.

I am not... confused about the difference between believing Jews and non-believing Jews that still reject Jesus of Nazareth as The Christ.
 

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I did not... mention the Daniel 9:24 verse in my explanation.

Like I said, the DANIEL 9:25 & 26 VERSES go together. YOU omitted the Daniel 9:25 verse in your coverage.

Dan 9:25-26
25 Know therefore and understand, that from the going forth of the commandment to restore and to build Jerusalem
unto the Messiah the Prince shall be seven weeks, and threescore and two weeks: the street shall be built again, and the wall, even in troublous times.

26
And after threescore and two weeks shall Messiah be cut off, but not for himself: and the people of the prince that shall come shall destroy the city and the sanctuary; and the end thereof shall be with a flood, and unto the end of the war desolations are determined.
KJV


Verse 25 above has Messiah (Jesus Christ) showing up at "seven weeks, and threescore and two weeks", which equals 69 weeks (7 + 62).


That means Jesus' Ministry happened WITHIN that 69 week period!

Verse 25 thus DEFINES HOW TO INTERPRET verse 26 about the "after threescore and two weeks".

And THIS is the reason why the false doctrine from men you follow has taught you to OMIT the Daniel 9:25 verse when speaking of that 69 weeks period when Jesus' Ministry happened. This is WHY I said that the Daniel 9:25 & 26 verses MUST go together in order to rightly interpret that period about Messiah.

Part 1.

I am quite sure I have mentioned this before but I will do again this one last time..... Verses 24 and 25 go together. These are the two "restorative" verses that identify the things (both physical and spiritual) that will be restored WITHIN the prophecy. This is a closed section 70 week prophecy with 3 separate sections carved into it. The first two identify the requirments or the responsibilities of the two parties (the Messiah and His people) who will be performing their respective restorative items. The physical elements were given to the Jews and the spiritual element (if you please) by Jesus. In these two verses, it also idenntifies WHEN each party will complete their assigned / God given elements or responsibilities - the Jews will complete the physical elements WITHIN the first 7 weeks or 49 years, while the Messiah will ARRIVE AND BE BAPTIZED ON THE FIRST DAY OF THE 70TH WEEK. Verse 25 tells us He will come "unto or until" the 7 and 62 weeks are completed. There is absolutely nothing that hints He arrives BEFORE OR WITHIN the end of the 69th week. Jesus will symbolize the restoration of the Ark of the Covenant WITHIN THE LAST WEEK. It was the first piece of furniture taken away by Jeremiah and the last piece restored. Everything was restored that was either taken away or destroyed in the reverse order they were taken / destroyed.

The entire Chapter 9 and most of Daniel is speaking about the restoration of Jerusalem, His people and the coming of the Messiah.
Now, the ONLY reason God has continued to give us the last two verses of 26 and 27, is because of the Jews rejection and crucifixion of their Messiah. They both represent the two "destructive" verses where the exact same elements that were restored in verses 24 and 25 would now be, once again, destroyed or taken away. The two sets of verses form a perfect chiasitic structure - they mirror each other - one restorative, the other destructive.

It was not until the 16th century would we find a very new and different interpretation be disseminated throughout the world. The RCC had commissioned a Jesuit priest named Ribera to construct an alternative interpretation where they (papacy) was not the little horn of Daniel 7 and 8. This resulted in him taking these "destructive" verses as attributing them to some mythical anti-Christ figure that would come far into the future. Thus, they could not be the little horn. This was a counter -measure to the Protestant claims during the Reformation period - and they have been widely successful in preaching this false interpretation, largely due to the power and breath of their holdings in the world. They have forced this into every church service, Catholic elementary, junior and senior level high schools, everyone of their Catholic universities, in thousands of papers and claims, etc., for the last 500 years. It has grown a life of its own and they are in no danges (now) of being identified as the little horn - in fact, hardly anyone even remembers or discusses the little horn of Daniel. Everyone just uses the term "anti-Christ" as though the term little horn doesn't exist and everyone is looking into the far future for this mythical creature will aririve.... he won't. The evil one (Chapter 11) is the same as the little horn of Daniel 7 and 8 and has been doing all the nasty things that God prophecized about in Daniel 7,8 and 11. And, He will "continue until the end..." when he will be destroyed without human hands. He will "continue" until the end, not arrive at the end.
 
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I did not... mention the Daniel 9:24 verse in my explanation.

Like I said, the DANIEL 9:25 & 26 VERSES go together. YOU omitted the Daniel 9:25 verse in your coverage.

Dan 9:25-26
25 Know therefore and understand, that from the going forth of the commandment to restore and to build Jerusalem
unto the Messiah the Prince shall be seven weeks, and threescore and two weeks: the street shall be built again, and the wall, even in troublous times.

26
And after threescore and two weeks shall Messiah be cut off, but not for himself: and the people of the prince that shall come shall destroy the city and the sanctuary; and the end thereof shall be with a flood, and unto the end of the war desolations are determined.
KJV


Verse 25 above has Messiah (Jesus Christ) showing up at "seven weeks, and threescore and two weeks", which equals 69 weeks (7 + 62).


That means Jesus' Ministry happened WITHIN that 69 week period!

Verse 25 thus DEFINES HOW TO INTERPRET verse 26 about the "after threescore and two weeks".

And THIS is the reason why the false doctrine from men you follow has taught you to OMIT the Daniel 9:25 verse when speaking of that 69 weeks period when Jesus' Ministry happened. This is WHY I said that the Daniel 9:25 & 26 verses MUST go together in order to rightly interpret that period about Messiah.

Part 2

If you take the very specific phrases or terms found in the "destructive" verses of 26 and 27, and do two things, there can be NO doubt they are speaking about the Messiah:

1) match the two sets of verses side by side to see they mirror each other,
2) take each of the phrases / terms in the destructive verses and see how they speak to the ACTUAL / LITERAL events that took place IN THE LAST WEEK OF THE PROPHECY OR CAUSED THEM TO OCCUR AS A RESULT OF THE CROSS.


26“And after the sixty-two weeks - The Messiah arrived AFTER THE COMPLETION OF THE 62 WEEK TIMED SECTION,


Messiah shall [j]be cut off, but not for Himself; - The Messiah would be crucified, but not for Himself,


And the people of the prince who is to come Shall destroy the city and the sanctuary.
The end of it shall be with a flood, -
As a result of His people rejecting Him, the Romans would come and destroy the city and the Sanctuary in 70 AD,


And till the end of the war desolations are determined. - The Jews would be made desolate to their God as a result of their rejection of Him for the enxt 2000 years (times of the Gentiles),


27Then he shall confirm a [k]covenant with many for one week; - The Messiah (He) would confirm the Jeremiah 31:31- 34 New Covenant - He would send His Holy Spirit to each on Pentecost,


But in the middle of the week - In the middle of the week (the last week ot the prophecy) Jesus would be crucified! He was literally crucified 3.5 years WITHIN the last week of the prophecy,


He shall bring an end to sacrifice and offering - The ceremonial practices, including the animal sacrifices and offerings found within Leviticus, were ALL a type and shadow of the coming Messiah represented those things that He would fulfill. After His perfect sacrifice, there would be NO need for any further animal sacrifices or offerings. He had "down away" with them all.



And on the wing of abominations shall be one who makes desolate, Even until the consummation, which is determined,
Is poured out on the [l]desolate.”
- On the "wing of the abomination" - meaning, as a result of the most horrendous act committed by anyone on the face of the earth - their rejection and crucifixion of GOD, He, " the One who makes desolate," - meaning He would separate Himself from His people for the next 2000 years and send His followers out into the Gentile world to hear the Gospel, UNTIL "the consumation," - meaning, He would make Himself desolate UNTIL the times of the Gentiles is over.



These literal / actual events took place as a result of the cross, but they have purposefully been attributed to a mythical creature some 2000 years inn the future. But that is why they are indeed identified to speak against His people, His laws and commands, His Spirits and even God Himself (Daniel 7 and 8). If these things did not actually take place exactly as written, then where are they written? Do you really think they would have been left out after what occurred DURING THE LAST WEEK OF THE PROPHECY?

You do not have to respond... I already know your thoughts.......this is for others to consider .... The Book of Daniel is about our Messiah!
 
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I did not... mention the Daniel 9:24 verse in my explanation.

Like I said, the DANIEL 9:25 & 26 VERSES go together. YOU omitted the Daniel 9:25 verse in your coverage.

Dan 9:25-26
25 Know therefore and understand, that from the going forth of the commandment to restore and to build Jerusalem
unto the Messiah the Prince shall be seven weeks, and threescore and two weeks: the street shall be built again, and the wall, even in troublous times.

26
And after threescore and two weeks shall Messiah be cut off, but not for himself: and the people of the prince that shall come shall destroy the city and the sanctuary; and the end thereof shall be with a flood, and unto the end of the war desolations are determined.
KJV


Verse 25 above has Messiah (Jesus Christ) showing up at "seven weeks, and threescore and two weeks", which equals 69 weeks (7 + 62).


That means Jesus' Ministry happened WITHIN that 69 week period!

Verse 25 thus DEFINES HOW TO INTERPRET verse 26 about the "after threescore and two weeks".

And THIS is the reason why the false doctrine from men you follow has taught you to OMIT the Daniel 9:25 verse when speaking of that 69 weeks period when Jesus' Ministry happened. This is WHY I said that the Daniel 9:25 & 26 verses MUST go together in order to rightly interpret that period about Messiah.
Scripture declares "Seventy weeks are determined..." Daniel 9:24

That means that all seventy weeks, including the seventieth week, are determined.

Your seventieth week is decapitated, orphaned, and undetermined.

It denies and violates Scripture's declaration.

It is a futurized fantasy and fallacy.
 
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