Daniel's Final "one week" of Daniel 9:27 Made Simple

[Douggg]

Dougg, it would not be wise of me to comment on Chapter 11 and this time since it is easily the most difficult chapter in the Bible - my opinion, and today's accepted interpretations of Chapter 11, even though no one has been able to interpret many of the verses in Chapter 11 and have left them unaddressed, has nothing to do with AE or the Ptolemy's or the Seluecid's, Cleapatra, etc., They are not found anywhere in Daniel and have nothing to do with God's plan of salvation. But, it is too much to bring it in here at this time when we really cannot get through 9:24-27.... which, in my opinion, compared to Chapter 11 is a piece of cake. Chapter 11 is brutal!!!!!

Break down of Daniel 11.
verses 2-34 activities future to Daniel, but historic to us.
verse 35 transition from historic to the time of the end (our days).
verse 36 the beast-king of Revelation, in the middle of the 7 year 70th week.
verse 37 the beast-king will be a Jew.
verse 38-39 the beast-king will spend a lot of money on his military.
verse 40-44 at the end of the 7 years, the beast-king will be attacked from the south, then north, then east.
verse 45 the beast-king makes his final stand, on the temple mount, as he stands up against the Prince of prince - Jesus (Daniel 8:25).


Daniel 8:25 And through his policy also he shall cause craft to prosper in his hand; and he shall magnify himself in his heart, and by peace shall destroy many: he shall also stand up against the Prince of princes; but he shall be broken without hand.

1. little horn (leader over ten EU leaders)

2. becomes the prince that shall come (right after the Gog/Magog event of Ezekiel 39)

3. becomes the Antichrist (King of Israel, thought to be messiah) (to start the 7 years)

4. becomes the revealed man of sin (by committing the transgression of desolation act)

5. becomes the beast-king (in the middle part of the 7 years) (dictator of the EU)

 

[Spiritual Israelite]

In Matthew 24:15, Jesus said...

15 When ye therefore shall see the abomination of desolation, spoken of by Daniel the prophet, stand in the holy place, (whoso readeth, let him understand: )

16 Then let them which be in Judaea flee into the mountains:

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In the kjv bible, "abomination of desolation" is found in two places...
Matthew 24:15
Mark 13:14

"abomination that maketh desolate" is found in two places...
Daniel 11:31
Daniel 12:11

"transgression of desolation" is found in one place...
Daniel 8:13

You ignore the fact that what spawned the Olivet Discourse in the first place was Jesus telling the disciples that the temple standing at that time would be destroyed. So, it should be obvious that when He referenced a prophecy made by Daniel it would be one that related to the destruction of the temple. And there is such a prophecy in Daniel 9:26-27 which refers to an abomination that results in the destruction and desolation of the city and the sanctuary. It makes no sense to think that the answer to the disciples' question about when the temple would be destroyed would be found anywhere except in Matthew 24:15-22, Mark 13:14-20 and Luke 21:20-24.

 

[Spiritual Israelite]

The abomination of desolation is decisively identified in Luke 21:20, the synoptic counterpart to Matthew 24:15, as the armies (Roman) which desolated Jerusalem.

For those willing to allow inspired Scripture to interpret inspired Scripture.

Exactly. But, those who make scripture say what they want it to say deny the obvious fact that Luke 21:20-24a is a parallel passage to Matthew 24:15-22 and Mark 13:14-20. Jesus did NOT say "let those in Judea flee to the mountains" and "woe unto them that are with child, and to them that give suck in those days!" in relation to "great tribulation" or "great distress" twice within the Olivet Discourse as some people try to claim. That is complete nonsense.

 

[Douggg]

You ignore the fact that what spawned the Olivet Discourse in the first place was Jesus telling the disciples that the temple standing at that time would be destroyed.

What spawned the Olivet Discourse was Matthew 24:3

3 And as he sat upon the mount of Olives, the disciples came unto him privately, saying, Tell us, when shall these things be? and what shall be the sign of thy coming, and of the end of the world?

So, it should be obvious that when He referenced a prophecy made by Daniel it would be one that related to the destruction of the temple.

Matthew 24:15, Jesus referred to the abomination of desolation spoken of by the prophet Daniel. Which the abomination of desolation is in Daniel 12:11-12. Daniel 12:9 for the time of the end. Our time.

 

[CTK]

What I think is the Matthew 24:15 abomination of desolation standing in a holy place - is the abomination of desolation "set up" in Daniel 12:11, at the time of the end. "set up" is in the text of Daniel 12:11.

"standing" because it will be a statue image of the beast-king in a standing position.

The statue image will be made at the instruction of the false prophet in Revelation 13:14. It will be placed on the temple mount, out in the open where it will be clearly visible from different parts of Jerusalem.

When it is set up on the temple mount - that event triggers the beginning of the great tribulation. The great tribulation will then last for the next 1335 days, to end on the day that Jesus Returns. The 1335 days is from Daniel 12:12.

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later, after being set up on the temple mount, Satan will be cast down to earth - having only a time/times/half time left (Revelation 12:12-14)

Once cast down to earth (from the second heaven), Satan will indwell the statue image - making it appear to come alive and speak. The false prophet will take credit as doing a miracle that brings the statue to life. Revelation 13:15.

Anyone who worships the statue image will thus be unknowingly worshiping Satan - which is certainly an abomination.

Ah! So please comment on the interpretation I provided you that it speaks of the Messiah during His time on earth... please.

 

[CTK]

The above quote from your post #142.

Why are you trying to integrate the 2300 days associated with the little horn person's activities - as being associated with Jesus instead ?

Dougg, because it speaks of His sacrifice on the cross during the last week of the prophecy. I keep mentioning that Daniel is about our Messiah. Is there anything more important than His arrival and His mission while on earth?

 

[Douggg]

Ah! So please comment on the interpretation I provided you that it speaks of the Messiah during His time on earth... please.

What post number?

 

[Douggg]

Dougg, because it speaks of His sacrifice on the cross during the last week of the prophecy. I keep mentioning that Daniel is about our Messiah. Is there anything more important than His arrival and His mission while on earth?

I don't understand what you mean. The 2300 days in Daniel 8:13-14 are about the activities of the little horn person, not the messiah.

 

[CTK]

What spawned the Olivet Discourse was Matthew 24:3

3 And as he sat upon the mount of Olives, the disciples came unto him privately, saying, Tell us, when shall these things be? and what shall be the sign of thy coming, and of the end of the world?


Matthew 24:15, Jesus referred to the abomination of desolation spoken of by the prophet Daniel. Which the abomination of desolation is in Daniel 12:11-12. Daniel 12:9 for the time of the end. Our time.

No, Jesus was speaking about Himself! He was the sacrifice on the cross, He was inflicted as the most abominable event in the history of mankind that would cause Him to become desolate with His people. Can you find God in every book within the Scriptures? Do you really believe Daniel is not meant to prophecize about the coming of the Lord and the most important time in man's history - that will never be repeated?

 

[CTK]

What post number?

If you are referring to the 2300 days - it is #142

 

[Douggg]

No, Jesus was speaking about Himself! He was the sacrifice on the cross, He was inflicted as the most abominable event in the history of mankind that would cause Him to become desolate with His people. Can you find God in every book within the Scriptures? Do you really believe Daniel is not meant to prophecize about the coming of the Lord and the most important time in man's history - that will never be repeated?

The abomination of desolation is in the text of Daniel 12:11-12. It not talking about Jesus being crucified.

Daniel 12:11 And from the time that the daily sacrifice shall be taken away, and the abomination that maketh desolate set up, there shall be a thousand two hundred and ninety days.

12 Blessed is he that waiteth, and cometh to the thousand three hundred and five and thirty days.

 

[CTK]

I don't understand what you mean. The 2300 days in Daniel 8:13-14 are about the activities of the little horn person, not the messiah.

No, they are referring to the Messiah. He will cleanse the Sanctuary, and it is not the earthly Sanctuary. When He returns to His Father, He will be standing by the side of His Father - His sacrifice has been accepted. Don't trust me... this is the purpose why Stephen would look up to the sky and see Him standing next to God - the heavenly sanctuary was cleansed of any sin.

 

[CTK]

The abomination of desolation is in the text of Daniel 12:11-12. It not talking about being crucified.

Daniel 12:11 And from the time that the daily sacrifice shall be taken away, and the abomination that maketh desolate set up, there shall be a thousand two hundred and ninety days.

12 Blessed is he that waiteth, and cometh to the thousand three hundred and five and thirty days.

Nope, I would ask that you might read my response to that and provided the calculation....Let me know why you don't accept it please.

 

[Douggg]

No, they are referring to the Messiah. He will cleanse the Sanctuary, and it is not the earthly Sanctuary. When He returns to His Father, He will be standing by the side of His Father - His sacrifice has been accepted. Don't trust me... this is the purpose why Stephen would look up to the sky and see Him standing next to God - the heavenly sanctuary was cleansed of any sin.

No, the 2300 days are about the activities of the little horn person, including the transgression of desolation, and the sanctuary and the host of the sanctuary (the Jews) to be trodden under foot.

Daniel 8:13 Then I heard one saint speaking, and another saint said unto that certain saint which spake, How long shall be the vision concerning the daily sacrifice, and the transgression of desolation, to give both the sanctuary and the host to be trodden under foot?

14 And he said unto me, Unto two thousand and three hundred days; then shall the sanctuary be cleansed.

15 And it came to pass, when I, even I Daniel, had seen the vision, and sought for the meaning, then, behold, there stood before me as the appearance of a man.

16 And I heard a man's voice between the banks of Ulai, which called, and said, Gabriel, make this man to understand the vision.

17 So he came near where I stood: and when he came, I was afraid, and fell upon my face: but he said unto me, Understand, O son of man: for at the time of the end shall be the vision.

 

[CTK]

No, the 2300 days are about the activities of the little horn person, including the transgression of desolation, and the sanctuary and the host of the sanctuary (the Jews) to be trodden under foot.

Daniel 8:13 Then I heard one saint speaking, and another saint said unto that certain saint which spake, How long shall be the vision concerning the daily sacrifice, and the transgression of desolation, to give both the sanctuary and the host to be trodden under foot?

14 And he said unto me, Unto two thousand and three hundred days; then shall the sanctuary be cleansed.

15 And it came to pass, when I, even I Daniel, had seen the vision, and sought for the meaning, then, behold, there stood before me as the appearance of a man.

16 And I heard a man's voice between the banks of Ulai, which called, and said, Gabriel, make this man to understand the vision.

17 So he came near where I stood: and when he came, I was afraid, and fell upon my face: but he said unto me, Understand, O son of man: for at the time of the end shall be the vision.

Okay... thanks Dougg... I greatly appreciate your thoughts and sincerity.

 

[Douggg]

Nope, I would ask that you might read my response to that and provided the calculation....Let me know why you don't accept it please.

Your walk through and number of days rationale was too confusing to me. But I mainly don't accept it because...

1. the messiah's ministry is not stated in Daniel 9 as being a factor.

2. the 2300 days are activities associated with the little horn, and not the messiah.

3. the 7 years of Daniel 9:27 pertain to the confirmation of the Mt. Sinai covenant, with the 7 years found in Deuteronomy 31:9-13, the law made by Moses.

4. the abomination of desolation is time of the end.

5. the 7 years in Ezekiel 39:9 are the 7 year 70th week. Armageddon is in Ezekiel 39:17-20. Jesus returned to this earth is in Ezekiel 39:21-29

6. the components of the 7 year 70th week are found in Revelation as the 1260 days as the first half, the 42 months as the second half, the time/times/half time as the second half. The time/times/half time are found in Daniel 7:25 and Daniel 12:7.

7. You have not reconciled any of Revelation with time of the end prophecies in Daniel.

 

[CTK]

Your walk through and number of days rationale was too confusing to me. But I mainly don't accept it because...

1. the messiah's ministry is not stated in Daniel 9 as being a factor.

2. the 2300 days are activities associated at with the little horn, and not the messiah.

3. the 7 years of Daniel 9:27 pertain to the confirmation of the Mt. Sinai covenant, with the 7 years found in Deuteronomy 31:9-13, the law made by Moses.

4. the abomination of desolation is time of the end.

5. the 7 years in Ezekiel 39:9 are the 7 year 70th week. Armageddon is in Ezekiel 39:17-20. Jesus returned to this earth is in Ezekiel 39:21-29

6. the components of the 7 year 70th week are found in Revelation as the 1260 days as the first half, the 42 months as the second half, the time/times/half time as the second half. The time/times/half time are found in Daniel 7:25 and Daniel 12:7.

7. You have not reconciled any of Revelation with time of the end prophecies in Daniel.

Okay and thanks Dougg.

 

[Douggg]

Okay... thanks Dougg... I greatly appreciate your thoughts and sincerity.

It has been a pleasure discussing with you, even though we disagree (at present) on a wide range of interpretations and understandings.

When you get around to studying Revelation, I think this time line chart I made should help you. Start in the upper left hand corner and follow the red line down through the chart to the lower right hand corner.

I have many more charts that I made that should be of use to you when you start studying Revelation.

 

[covenantee]

In Matthew 24:15, Jesus said...

15 When ye therefore shall see the abomination of desolation, spoken of by Daniel the prophet, stand in the holy place, (whoso readeth, let him understand: )

16 Then let them which be in Judaea flee into the mountains:

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In the kjv bible, "abomination of desolation" is found in two places...
Matthew 24:15
Mark 13:14

"abomination that maketh desolate" is found in two places...
Daniel 11:31
Daniel 12:11

"transgression of desolation" is found in one place...
Daniel 8:13

"for the overspreading of abominations he shall make it desolate" is found in one place...
Daniel 9:27

This is affirmed in Luke 21:20 (And when ye shall see Jerusalem compassed with armies, then know that the desolation thereof is nigh.):

Abominations -> armies
Desolate -> desolation
It -> Jerusalem

 

[Douggg]

"for the overspreading of abominations he shall make it desolate" is found in one place...
Daniel 9:27

This is affirmed in Luke 21:20 -
Abominations -> armies
Desolate -> desolation

the overspreading of abominations....

abomination of desolation - the statue image of the beast king, placed on the temple mount.

Satan indwelling the statue image of the beast-king, i.e. Satan's presence on the temple mount being worshiped (unwittingly, by them who worship the statue image).

the beast-king and false prophet's presence on the temple mount.

made desolate - from there being any praise and worship of the One True God.