Daniels 70-Weeks Timeline

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Truth7t7

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Where does scripture say this? It looks like you are just making this up. The death of Christ (His body) would not be described as being destroyed with no stone left upon another. That is ludicrous.

Is this your way of asking me to put you on my ignore list? What is wrong with you?

Yes, I understand that He spoke of His body as a temple, but how does that fit the context of this:

Matthew 24:1 And Jesus went out, and departed from the temple: and his disciples came to him for to shew him the buildings of the temple. 2 And Jesus said unto them, See ye not all these things? verily I say unto you, There shall not be left here one stone upon another, that shall not be thrown down.

When Jesus said "See ye not all these things?" and proceeded to say that those things would be destroyed, do you think He was talking about all the parts of His body? Was He pointing to His hands and feet and other parts of His body when He said "see ye not all these things"? Clearly not. Why would He describe His body as "these things"? He wouldn't have and He didn't. So, you're taking the passage out of context and trying to relate it to an unrelated passage.

No, He was clearly referring to the temple buildings that the disciples were talking about and saying that they would be destroyed with no stone left upon another. This is obvious. How can you not see this? Unbelievable.
"Yes" John's account clearly describes "The Temple" in question, it clearly describes the temple destroyed was the Lord's "Body", read verse 21 again and again, it's not going away

As shown, Jesus was speaking of the temple of his "Body" being destroyed

When Jesus died and gave up the ghost, the veil in the holy place was rent, it was removed in the spiritual not one stone upon another "Gone"

It appears that you will be in the company of the pharisees that believe it was a temple that took 46 years to build, smiles!

John's account of the temple visit

Jesus spoke of a symbolic destruction of the temple, represented by his body on the cross of Calvary

"But He Spake Of The Temple Of His Body" Not A Literal Temple In Jerusalem That Took 46 Years To Build, Read It Again And Again "Before Your Eyes"!

It Appears That You Are Bound By Your "Preterist" Eschatology In 66-70AD Fulfillment

John 2:19-22KJV
19 Jesus answered and said unto them, Destroy this temple, and in three days I will raise it up.
20 Then said the Jews, Forty and six years was this temple in building, and wilt thou rear it up in three days?
21 But he spake of the temple of his body.
22 When therefore he was risen from the dead, his disciples remembered that he had said this unto them; and they believed the scripture, and the word which Jesus had said.
 
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Nope he can't. And there's a reason why? Feel free to use any Calendar you want and get any help you need. What year was Jesus born?
Yes, there's a reason. The 360 calendar has been discarded since Hezekiah, and any 360 date since then has been illegitimate, a fact which Anderson conveniently omits. That includes Anderson's Artaxerxes' decree date. It explains why all of the dates since Hezekiah which Anderson cites in "The Coming Prince" are 365.25 dates except for his illegitimate decree date.

Just another dispensational delusion.

Anderson cites Jesus' birth date as 4 BC. That is correct. It is a 365.25 date, not a 360 date.
 
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"Yes" John's account clearly describes "The Temple" in question, it clearly describes the temple destroyed was the Lord's "Body", read verse 21 again and again, it's not going away

As shown, Jesus was speaking of the temple of his "Body" being destroyed

When Jesus died and gave up the ghost, the veil in the holy place was rent, it was removed in the spiritual not one stone upon another "Gone"

It appears that you will be in the company of the pharisees that believe it was a temple that took 46 years to build, smiles!

John's account of the temple visit

Jesus spoke of a symbolic destruction of the temple, represented by his body on the cross of Calvary

"But He Spake Of The Temple Of His Body" Not A Literal Temple In Jerusalem That Took 46 Years To Build, Read It Again And Again "Before Your Eyes"!

It Appears That You Are Bound By Your "Preterist" Eschatology In 66-70AD Fulfillment

John 2:19-22KJV
19 Jesus answered and said unto them, Destroy this temple, and in three days I will raise it up.
20 Then said the Jews, Forty and six years was this temple in building, and wilt thou rear it up in three days?
21 But he spake of the temple of his body.
22 When therefore he was risen from the dead, his disciples remembered that he had said this unto them; and they believed the scripture, and the word which Jesus had said.

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I think you will find that this is a different temple visit / cleansing that took place at the beginning of his ministry. The one in Matt, Mk and Luke was at the end of his ministry.
 

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I think you will find that this is a different temple visit / cleansing that took place at the beginning of his ministry. The one in Matt, Mk and Luke was at the end of his ministry.
I Disagree, the same temple visit that saw the money changers on the temple grounds, the time of the passover

John's version is short and compact, the others go into elaboration, same time and place

Good Try, No Cigar!

TIme to abandon your "PreterIst" 66-70AD, "Stone Temple Fulfillment"

In Love, Jesus Is The Lord

John 2:13-16KJV
13 And the Jews' passover was at hand, and Jesus went up to Jerusalem.
14 And found in the temple those that sold oxen and sheep and doves, and the changers of money sitting:
15 And when he had made a scourge of small cords, he drove them all out of the temple, and the sheep, and the oxen; and poured out the changers' money, and overthrew the tables;
16 And said unto them that sold doves, Take these things hence; make not my Father's house an house of merchandise.
 

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I Disagree, the same temple visit that saw the money changers on the temple grounds, the time of the passover

John's version is short and compact, the others go into elaboration, same time and place

Good Try, No Cigar!
Let's just review what you believe again for all to see.

Matthew 24:1 And Jesus went out, and departed from the temple: and his disciples came to him for to shew him the buildings of the temple.
2 And Jesus said unto them, See ye not all these things? verily I say unto you, There shall not be left here one stone upon another, that shall not be thrown down.

So, in your view, when Jesus asked "See ye not all these things?", He was talking about all the parts of His body which He said would be destroyed with no stone left upon another. Is this correct?
 

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I Disagree, the same temple visit that saw the money changers on the temple grounds, the time of the passover

John's version is short and compact, the others go into elaboration, same time and place

Good Try, No Cigar!

TIme to abandon your "PreterIst" 66-70AD, "Stone Temple Fulfillment"

In Love, Jesus Is The Lord

John 2:13-16KJV
13 And the Jews' passover was at hand, and Jesus went up to Jerusalem.
14 And found in the temple those that sold oxen and sheep and doves, and the changers of money sitting:
15 And when he had made a scourge of small cords, he drove them all out of the temple, and the sheep, and the oxen; and poured out the changers' money, and overthrew the tables;
16 And said unto them that sold doves, Take these things hence; make not my Father's house an house of merchandise.


It was a good try and I got myself a Cuban cigar.

Reading Johns account is a little different than Matt etc..
John the Baptist was still alive at the time of John's temple cleansing in Jn 2.
Note Jn 3:22 and the word After....,

John’s Last Testimony
22 After these things Jesus and His disciples went into the land of Judea, and there He spent time with them and baptized. 23 Now John was also baptizing at Aenon near Salim, because there was an abundance of water there; and people were coming and were being baptized— 24 for John had not yet been thrown into prison.

At the time of Matt cleansing account in chap 21 John the Baptist was already dead in chap 14.
 

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You are attributing the 70 weeks to Israel and to the gentiles--but that is not what is written, but rather "70 weeks is appointed" for Daniel's people (Israel).

But you have also not reconciled the 70 weeks with "a time, times, and half a time" which does include the gentiles.
Times, time, and half a time is the end of creation from Daniel's time; 3500 years. We are at the 2500 year marker.

The fulness of the Gentiles was the times. The fulness of Israel was 483 years.

The fulness of Christ’s kingdom to hand back to God is the time, 1,000 years.
 

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TIme to abandon your "PreterIst" 66-70AD, "Stone Temple Fulfillment"

You're an amil who's got in with the wrong crowd.

Preterism can affirm Scriptural fulfillment from the evidence of what has historically occurred.

Futurism can affirm nothing because nothing which it espouses has occurred.

The destruction of Jerusalem was a seminal watershed event in the history of God's dealings with humankind. It is utterly unthinkable that Jesus would not have prophesied of it.

Jesus was a preterist.

His Judean Christians were preterists.

Why would you want to be in bed with the futurism which espouses a rapture, a millennium, two peoples of God, a racialized gospel, et al; which you incisively oppose?
 
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Jesus was a preterist.

Why would you want to be in bed with the futurism which espouses a rapture, a millennium, two peoples of God, a racialized gospel, et al; which you incisively oppose?
Jesus wasn't a preterist a false claim, he was a Futurist!

Jesus spoke of a future second coming, resurrection, final judgement, and eternal Kingdom, a true "Futurist"!

Your 100% correct, I oppose Dispensationalism and it's teachings, Millennialism and it's teachings, and your Preterism and it's teachings

Dispensationalism, Millennialism, and Preterism, have on thing in common, they are "False Teachings"!

Matthew 24:15 Daniel's AOD, Matthew 24:21 The Great Tribulation, and Matthew 24:29-30 The Second Coming, these are "Future Events" unfulfilled
 
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Times, time, and half a time is the end of creation from Daniel's time; 3500 years. We are at the 2500 year marker.

The fulness of the Gentiles was the times. The fulness of Israel was 483 years.

The fulness of Christ’s kingdom to hand back to God is the time, 1,000 years.
No, but rather "A time, times, and half a time" is:

"Time" is all of time, "times" is the times before the cross and the times after, and "half a time" (or the "dividing of time") is the dividing of the light (half) from the darkness.​
 

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I see that you have chosen to be immature and speak to me like a little child. Get out of here with that "biblical fact before your eyes" nonsense. Stop equating your opinions with facts. I have no interest in continuing this discussion as long as you are going to insist on acting that way. It's disappointing that you have chosen to act just like the 3 or 4 childish Premils (not saying all Premils are that way, just a few of them here) that we see on this forum. Some here are incapable of having a respectful discussion. Why do you want to be like them?
Are you having a tantrum? Thought that was reserved for kids? You have no Amil facts either. Only Amil opinions. Kind of hypocritical to point out every one's faults, but your own.
 

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Jesus wasn't a preterist a false claim, he was a Futurist!

Jesus spoke of a future second coming, resurrection, final judgement, and eternal Kingdom, a true "Futurist"!

Your 100% correct, I oppose Dispensationalism and it's teachings, Millennialism and it's teachings, and your Preterism and it's teachings

Dispensationalism, Millennialism, and Preterism, have on thing in common, they are "False Teachings"!

Matthew 24:15 Daniel's AOD, Matthew 24:21 The Great Tribulation, and Matthew 24:29-30 The Second Coming, these are "Future Events" unfulfilled
Do you believe that the destruction of Jerusalem never actually occurred?
 

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You're an amil who's got in with the wrong crowd.

Preterism can affirm Scriptural fulfillment from the evidence of what has historically occurred.

Futurism can affirm nothing because nothing which it espouses has occurred.

The destruction of Jerusalem was a seminal watershed event in the history of God's dealings with humankind. It is utterly unthinkable that Jesus would not have prophesied of it.

Jesus was a preterist.

His Judean Christians were preterists.

Why would you want to be in bed with the futurism which espouses a rapture, a millennium, two peoples of God, a racialized gospel, et al; which you incisively oppose?

Jesus wasn't a preterist a false claim, he was a Futurist!

Jesus spoke of a future second coming, resurrection, final judgement, and eternal Kingdom, a true "Futurist"!

Your 100% correct, I oppose Dispensationalism and it's teachings, Millennialism and it's teachings, and your Preterism and it's teachings

Dispensationalism, Millennialism, and Preterism, have on thing in common, they are "False Teachings"!

Matthew 24:15 Daniel's AOD, Matthew 24:21 The Great Tribulation, and Matthew 24:29-30 The Second Coming, these are "Future Events" unfulfilled
Jesus was none of those. Perhaps He was a Futurist in that He prayed "Thy kingdom come...", and perhaps a Preterist because He claimed "I am."

Jesus was and is rather, for lack of a better term, an Eternalist. But labels do not help in defining He who is infinite.

On the contrary, all these things are better understood to be eternal acts revealed over time. Which is to say: What is not at all on a historical timeline, is merely revealed on one.
 
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You continue to be afraid to answer the simple question I posed previously.

Do you think that the Judean Christians should have died?

Jesus and His Judean Christians were the ultimate preterists. Jesus issued a warning in Matthew 24:16 which He knew would be believed, and heeded in 66 AD, well before 70 AD. His Judean Christians did believe, and heed His warning in 66 AD.

That's pure preterism. Prophecy and fulfillment, all before 70 AD.

If preterism is a farce as you claim, then the preterism of Jesus and His Judean Christians was a farce.

Thank God for the farce. It saved the lives of Jesus' Judean Christians.

Thank God that none of them was a dispensational futurist.
Preterism does not apply to first century people. 70AD was in their future.

Did any of those people who fled, declare the Second Coming was fulfilled?

They fled because that was the warning they heard in the temple. Modern day eschatology is Preterism because they make claims about the first century that no one in history ever made.

Preterism certainly cannot claim history as being preterist. History is nothing more than a record of what happened. Preterist are not wrong in claiming history. They are wrong in turning the past into an eschatological statement. Historist are just as wrong, trying to figure out the past and declare the future has already happened.
 

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Revelation 17:8 The beast, which you saw, once was, now is not, and yet will come up out of the Abyss and go to its destruction. The inhabitants of the earth whose names have not been written in the book of life from the creation of the world will be astonished when they see the beast, because it once was, now is not, and yet will come.
Some human from history will ascend out of sheol. If you don't accept that, do you just make up a theory?

One theory would be Antiochus Epiphanes who was, has not been since the 1st century BC, but will somehow or by a deception from Satan, be a person claiming to miraculously return as Antiochus Epiphanes. Your choice, the actual Antiochus Epiphanes or a person in the spirit of Antiochus Epiphanes like John the Baptist was in the spirit of Elijah. This is the first beast of Revelation 13, and would be the human FP as a forerunner of Satan and the other beast, whom people think is an AC. Given a deadly wound does not mean an assassination attempt like a Hollywood Movie script. This beast was literally dead, has not been, but at the 7th Trumpet comes again.

Some claim the 2nd beast in Revelation 13 is this FP, but this chapter reads like how Satan enabled Antiochus Epiphanes in Daniel. Antiochus Epiphanes comes first with Satan's authority, then Satan arrives and takes back all authority. If you don't think that Satan actually was seen in Pergamos during the time of Antiochus Epiphanes how do you explain Revelation 2:12-13

"And to the angel of the church in Pergamos write; These things saith he which hath the sharp sword with two edges; I know thy works, and where thou dwellest, even where Satan's seat is: and thou holdest fast my name, and hast not denied my faith, even in those days wherein Antipas was my faithful martyr, who was slain among you, where Satan dwelleth."

"The last Attalid king, Attalus III died without issue and bequeathed the kingdom to the Roman Republic in 133 BC."

Satan's seat was legally handed over to the Romans. Paul pointed out Satan was already at work with both the Greeks and Romans. Or history filled in what Paul was saying.

"And now ye know what withholdeth that he might be revealed in his time. For the mystery of iniquity doth already work: only he who now letteth will let, until he be taken out of the way. And then shall that Wicked be revealed, whom the Lord shall consume with the spirit of his mouth, and shall destroy with the brightness of his coming: Even him, whose coming is after the working of Satan with all power and signs and lying wonders,"

Paul is pointing out this team, Satan and Antiochus Epiphanes had already been at work. Satan's work historically was handed to the Romans, passed down as western science. Yet Paul pointed out Satan did not have full authority, but was working behind the scenes.

But don't take my word, since you don't seem to understand my points at all. Look it up.

"Citing the Book of Revelation chapter 2 verses 12 and 13 in the Christian Bible, many scholars have argued that the Pergamon Altar is the "Seat of Satan" mentioned by John the Apostle in his letter to the church at Pergamon."

Not my idea. But I do mention it from time to time. Is Satan the literal author of Greek mythology, but gave up the credit to humans?
 

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No, but rather "A time, times, and half a time" is:

"Time" is all of time, "times" is the times before the cross and the times after, and "half a time" (or the "dividing of time") is the dividing of the light (half) from the darkness.​
There was 5,000 years before the Cross, and there will be 3,000 years after. So, no, 3 is not half of 5. If time with sin is considered darkness, then all 6,000 years of sin on earth is darkness.
 

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Preterism does not apply to first century people. 70AD was in their future.

Jesus was alive after 70 AD. He knew that His prophecy about the Judean Christians had been fulfilled by them before 70 AD. He was a preterist.

Jesus is alive today. He knows that His prophecy about the Judean Christians was fulfilled by them before 70 AD. He is a preterist.

The Judean Christians were alive after 70 AD. They knew that they had fulfilled Jesus' prophecy about them before 70 AD. They were preterists.
 

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Do you believe that the destruction of Jerusalem never actually occurred?
Of course the Roman's destroyed Jerusalem, but it played no part in fulfillment of Matthew chapter 24

You follow"Preterism" in 66-70AD fulfillment and desire to promote this teaching in error

Matthew 24:15 Daniel's AOD, Matthew 24:21 The Great Tribulation, and Matthew 24:29-30 The Second Coming, these are "Future Events" unfulfilled
 

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There was 5,000 years before the Cross, and there will be 3,000 years after. So, no, 3 is not half of 5. If time with sin is considered darkness, then all 6,000 years of sin on earth is darkness.
Times with God are not the same as we would count them. We assume according to our own way of thinking...like 70 weeks (times), etc.. But He, being the Creator of times, numbers the days according to His purpose--which seemingly can be counted in this way or that, and sometimes they can. But it is the devil that is in the details, while God has revealed it all in simple terms, but also in riddles to confound the evil and the wise.

That is why it is all best described as "a time, times, and half a time" with the middle according to Him, which is better defined as the apex...or the cross.