Daniels 70-Weeks Timeline

[Spiritual Israelite]

You didnt address my post.

Nothing new for him. But, he said I was non-responsive just because I didn't repeat what I had already said. Ugh.

 

[covenantee]

The events of 70AD played no part in fulfillment of Matthew chapter 24

Somebody forgot to tell Jesus and His Judean Christians.

You have nothing left but denial.

 

[Spiritual Israelite]

John's account of the temple visit

Jesus spoke of a symbolic destruction of the temple, represented by his body on the cross of Calvary

John 2:19-22KJV
19 Jesus answered and said unto them, Destroy this temple, and in three days I will raise it up.
20 Then said the Jews, Forty and six years was this temple in building, and wilt thou rear it up in three days?
21 But he spake of the temple of his body.
22 When therefore he was risen from the dead, his disciples remembered that he had said this unto them; and they believed the scripture, and the word which Jesus had said.

Was His body destroyed with no stone left upon another? Come on. That passage has nothing to do with the context of what Jesus was talking about here:

Matthew 24:1 Jesus left the temple and was walking away when his disciples came up to him to call his attention to its buildings. 2 “Do you see all these things?” he asked. “Truly I tell you, not one stone here will be left on another; every one will be thrown down.”

He was clearly talking about the temple buildings that the disciples were looking at and He said they would be destroyed with no stone left upon another. He wouldn't talk about His body being destroyed with no stone left upon another. That's nonsense.

 

[Truth7t7]

I don't. Are you reading my posts? I don't see the tribulation that Jesus returns after as being the tribulation that occurred in 70 AD. I have said more than once now that I believe Jesus answered questions about two different things. One related to the destruction of the temple buildings. You agree that those were destroyed in 70 AD, don't you? But, He was also asked about His future coming and the end of the age. It simply makes no sense to deny that He at least talked some about the timing of the destruction of the temple buildings since He was clearly asked about that. Why do you deny that He said anything about it?

Except that it isn't biblically impossible and I've explained why. But, you aren't willing to "listen".

You are not qualified to tell me what is possible or not. You have these completely nonsensical beliefs such as the 70 weeks are literal 7 day weeks and will happen in the future and that the first resurrection happens after the thousand years. Where do you get these ideas from? Why do you suppose it is that no one else agrees with you on those things?

Scriptures clearly teaches that Jesus returns (immediately after the tribulation of those days) Matthew 24:15

You believe and teach Matthew 24:21The Great Tribulation took place in 66-70AD, then you claim you don't believe Jesus returns after a 66-70AD tribulation

Scripture teaches Jesus returns immediately after the tribulation seen in Matthew 24:21

You are well aware of my presentation, and you waffle from a direct response

You can't have a 66-70AD Great Tribulation and Jesus returning in the future

Read real slow, "Immediately After The Tribulation Of (Those Days) Jesus returns

Your claim of the great tribulation being in 66-70AD is false, it's future and will be followed by the immediate return of Jesus Christ in the clouds of heaven

Matthew 24:21-30KJV
21 For then shall be great tribulation, such as was not since the beginning of the world to this time, no, nor ever shall be.
22 And except those days should be shortened, there should no flesh be saved: but for the elect's sake those days shall be shortened.
23 Then if any man shall say unto you, Lo, here is Christ, or there; believe it not.
24 For there shall arise false Christs, and false prophets, and shall shew great signs and wonders; insomuch that, if it were possible, they shall deceive the very elect.
25 Behold, I have told you before.
26 Wherefore if they shall say unto you, Behold, he is in the desert; go not forth: behold, he is in the secret chambers; believe it not.
27 For as the lightning cometh out of the east, and shineth even unto the west; so shall also the coming of the Son of man be.
28 For wheresoever the carcase is, there will the eagles be gathered together.
29 Immediately after the tribulation of those days shall the sun be darkened, and the moon shall not give her light, and the stars shall fall from heaven, and the powers of the heavens shall be shaken:
30 And then shall appear the sign of the Son of man in heaven: and then shall all the tribes of the earth mourn, and they shall see the Son of man coming in the clouds of heaven with power and great glory.

 

[Truth7t7]

Was His body destroyed with no stone left upon another? Come on. That passage has nothing to do with the context of what Jesus was talking about here:

Matthew 24:1 Jesus left the temple and was walking away when his disciples came up to him to call his attention to its buildings. 2 “Do you see all these things?” he asked. “Truly I tell you, not one stone here will be left on another; every one will be thrown down.”

He was clearly talking about the temple buildings that the disciples were looking at and He said they would be destroyed with no stone left upon another. He wouldn't talk about His body being destroyed with no stone left upon another. That's nonsense.

As shown, Jesus was speaking of the temple of his "Body" being destroyed

When Jesus died and gave up the ghost, the veil in the holy place was rent, it was removed in the spiritual not one stone upon another "Gone"

It appears that you will be in the company of the pharisees that believe it was a temple that took 46 years to build, smiles!

John's account of the temple visit

Jesus spoke of a symbolic destruction of the temple, represented by his body on the cross of Calvary

John 2:19-22KJV
19 Jesus answered and said unto them, Destroy this temple, and in three days I will raise it up.
20 Then said the Jews, Forty and six years was this temple in building, and wilt thou rear it up in three days?
21 But he spake of the temple of his body.
22 When therefore he was risen from the dead, his disciples remembered that he had said this unto them; and they believed the scripture, and the word which Jesus had said.

 

[Truth7t7]

You understand that Jesus said that the temple buildings standing at that time would be destroyed, right (Matthew 24:1-2)? So, when do you think they were destroyed?

You have been answered in post #765 above

 

[jeffweeder]

You have been answered in post #765 above

Surely not

Was His body destroyed with no stone left upon another? Come on. That passage has nothing to do with the context of what Jesus was talking about here:

 

[Truth7t7]

Surely not

Surely Yes

The 66-70AD destruction of Jerusalem and Temple, had absolutely no fulfillment of any event in Matthew Chapter 24, None

As shown, Jesus was speaking of the temple of his "Body" being destroyed

When Jesus died and gave up the ghost, the veil in the holy place was rent, it was removed in the spiritual not one stone upon another "Gone"

It appears that you will be in the company of the pharisees that believe it was a temple that took 46 years to build, smiles!

John's account of the temple visit

Jesus spoke of a symbolic destruction of the temple, represented by his body on the cross of Calvary

"Destroy This Temple" "But He Spake Of The Temple Of His Body" Not A Literal Temple In Jerusalem, Simple And Easy To Understand, If One Isn't Blinded By Preterist Reformed Escgatology, In 66-70AD Fulfillment

John 2:19-22KJV
19 Jesus answered and said unto them, Destroy this temple, and in three days I will raise it up.
20 Then said the Jews, Forty and six years was this temple in building, and wilt thou rear it up in three days?
21 But he spake of the temple of his body.
22 When therefore he was risen from the dead, his disciples remembered that he had said this unto them; and they believed the scripture, and the word which Jesus had said.

 

[jeffweeder]

Surely Yes

The 66-70AD destruction of Jerusalem and Temple, had absolutely no fulfillment of any event in Matthew Chapter 24, None

As shown, Jesus was speaking of the temple of his "Body" being destroyed

When Jesus died and gave up the ghost, the veil in the holy place was rent, it was removed in the spiritual not one stone upon another "Gone"

It appears that you will be in the company of the pharisees that believe it was a temple that took 46 years to build, smiles!

John's account of the temple visit

Jesus spoke of a symbolic destruction of the temple, represented by his body on the cross of Calvary

"Destroy This Temple" "But He Spake Of The Temple Of His Body" Not A Literal Temple In Jerusalem, Simple And Easy To Understand, If One Isn't Blinded By Preterist Reformed Escgatology, In 66-70AD Fulfillment

John 2:19-22KJV
19 Jesus answered and said unto them, Destroy this temple, and in three days I will raise it up.
20 Then said the Jews, Forty and six years was this temple in building, and wilt thou rear it up in three days?
21 But he spake of the temple of his body.
22 When therefore he was risen from the dead, his disciples remembered that he had said this unto them; and they believed the scripture, and the word which Jesus had said.

So why did the STONE temple come tumbling down at the time of their very real exile???

Did the disciples point out how beautiful Jesus elbows were and how adorned he was with the smell of sweet perfume?


lk 21
5 As some were talking about the temple, that it was decorated with beautiful stones and consecrated offerings [of magnificent gifts of gold which were displayed on the walls and hung in the porticoes], He said, 6 “As for all these things which you see, the time will come when there will not be one stone left on another that will not be torn down.”

 

[Truth7t7]

So why did the STONE temple come tumbling down at the time of their very real exile???

Did the disciples point out how beautiful Jesus elbows were and how adorned he was with the smell of sweet perfume?


lk 21
5 As some were talking about the temple, that it was decorated with beautiful stones and consecrated offerings [of magnificent gifts of gold which were displayed on the walls and hung in the porticoes], He said, 6 “As for all these things which you see, the time will come when there will not be one stone left on another that will not be torn down.”

Jesus didn't lie, when he died on the cross of Calvary, the temple in Jerusalem was removed forever in the spiritual, the veil in the holy place was torn from top to bottom "Gone"

And John went so far as to explain in detail, it was the Lord's body that was being referenced, not a temple in Jerusalem that took 46 years to build as the Pharisees believed he was talking about, just like those bound by a literal temple today, in the false preterist teachings found in reformed eschatology

In Love, Jesus Is The Lord

 

[The Light]

Exactly. There is no indication whatsoever anywhere of there being any gaps in the 70 weeks. People have to make that up to support their false doctrines.

Oh boy. After 69 weeks Messiah is cut off. Gee, how confusing.

 

[The Light]

Using the 360 days/year calendar, what year was Jesus born?

You ask all the wrong questions.

You should be more interested in the date of Jesus death. The OP shows He died in 30 AD. Do you think that's correct?

 

[covenantee]

You ask all the wrong questions.

You should be more interested in the date of Jesus death. The OP shows He died in 30 AD. Do you think that's correct?

I know what I'm interested in.

Using the 360 days/year calendar, what year was Jesus born?

Can't Bro. Anderson tell you that?

 

[DanielConway]

Your historical perspective regarding Daniel 7 and Revelation 13 is astute.

The Reformers identified the little horn as the Roman papacy, which apostasized over the centuries leading to the Reformation. The accuracy of that identification was integral to the spiritual success of the Reformation.

Other identities in Daniel 7:

Ten horns (kingdoms) which arose from the dissolution of the Roman empire, and their first or early kings:
Heruli - Anthyrius I
Suevi - Hermeric
Burgundians - Gjúki
Huns - Attila
Ostrogoths - Theodoric
Visigoths - Alaric I
Vandals - Genseric
Lombards - Lethuc
Franks - Ascaric
Anglo-Saxons - Alfred the Great

Little horn (kingdom) and king: The Roman papacy, governed by pope Gelasius I when the first of the three kings in Daniel 7:8,20,24, Odoacer of the Heruli, was overthrown in 493.

The three kings overthrown: Odoacer of the Heruli in 493, Gelimer of the Vandals in 534, Teia of the Ostrogoths in 553.

I don't push the identity of the little horn out quite that far. During the Imperial Crisis there was a group of pretenders to the status of Emperor as well as a few who wanted to rule independently of Rome in their own pieces of the Empire, about 10. Remember, scripture said they would reign for "one hour", a very short period of time. Just about all these Kinglets were persecutors of the Church, or at least I suspect they were, "they shall hate the lamb", and they all took a piece of Rome's hide to suppress, "they shall burn her (Rome) with fire." In his path to emperor of the reconstituted empire Diocletian put down about three of these pretenders. The others worked themselves off or died of "natural" causes.

 

[The Light]

I know what I'm interested in.

Using the 360 days/year calendar, what year was Jesus born?

Can't Bro. Anderson tell you that?

Nope he can't. And there's a reason why? Feel free to use any Calendar you want and get any help you need. What year was Jesus born?

 

[Spiritual Israelite]

Scriptures clearly teaches that Jesus returns (immediately after the tribulation of those days) Matthew 24:15

You believe and teach Matthew 24:21The Great Tribulation took place in 66-70AD, then you claim you don't believe Jesus returns after a 66-70AD tribulation

Scripture teaches Jesus returns immediately after the tribulation seen in Matthew 24:21

That is your assumption, but as I've already said before more than once, I believe what Luke calls "the times of the Gentiles" occurs between the tribulation of Matthew 24:15-22 (Mark 13:14-20, Luke 21:20-24a) and Christ's return. I believe "the tribulation of those days" refers to spiritual tribulation as described in Matthew 24:23-26 which occurs after what is described in Matthew 24:15-22. That tribulation is such that even the elect can be deceived if they're not careful.

You are well aware of my presentation, and you waffle from a direct response

I have responded to that already more than once and have explained my view yet again above. Maybe you need to learn to read more carefully. And you have nothing to say about someone not responding. You avoid answering questions repeatedly.

You can't have a 66-70AD Great Tribulation and Jesus returning in the future

Yes, you can. You're not recognizing that Jesus spoke of two different events, one local to Jerusalem and the surrounding area which occurred around 70 AD and the other is global and yet future.

Read real slow, "Immediately After The Tribulation Of (Those Days) Jesus returns

The issue here is not that I deny He returns immediately after "the tribulation of those days". So, you're making a fool of yourself here by acting as if I'm denying that. Instead, I'm disagreeing with your understanding of what "the tribulation of those days" is referring to.

Your claim of the great tribulation being in 66-70AD is false, it's future and will be followed by the immediate return of Jesus Christ in the clouds of heaven

The following passage describes exactly what happened in 66-70 AD and it is a parallel passage to Matthew 24:15-22.

Luke 21:20 And when ye shall see Jerusalem compassed with armies, then know that the desolation thereof is nigh. 21 Then let them which are in Judaea flee to the mountains; and let them which are in the midst of it depart out; and let not them that are in the countries enter thereinto. 22 For these be the days of vengeance, that all things which are written may be fulfilled. 23 But woe unto them that are with child, and to them that give suck, in those days! for there shall be great distress in the land, and wrath upon this people. 24 And they shall fall by the edge of the sword, and shall be led away captive into all nations: and Jerusalem shall be trodden down of the Gentiles, until the times of the Gentiles be fulfilled.

This describes what happened just before and during 70 AD. The Roman armies came and surrounded Jerusalem and then came and destroyed the city along with the temple buildings just as Jesus said would happen. But, notice in verse 24 that "the times of the Gentiles" followed that. So, it is after the times of the Gentiles are over that Jesus will return, not after the tribulation described in Matthew 24:15-22/Mark 13:14-20/Luke 21:20-24.

 

[Spiritual Israelite]

Oh boy. After 69 weeks Messiah is cut off. Gee, how confusing.

What was the reason for this childish response? What does this have to do with what I said?

 

[Spiritual Israelite]

As shown, Jesus was speaking of the temple of his "Body" being destroyed

When Jesus died and gave up the ghost, the veil in the holy place was rent, it was removed in the spiritual not one stone upon another "Gone"

Where does scripture say this? It looks like you are just making this up. The death of Christ (His body) would not be described as being destroyed with no stone left upon another. That is ludicrous.

It appears that you will be in the company of the pharisees that believe it was a temple that took 46 years to build, smiles!

Is this your way of asking me to put you on my ignore list? What is wrong with you?

John's account of the temple visit

Jesus spoke of a symbolic destruction of the temple, represented by his body on the cross of Calvary

John 2:19-22KJV
19 Jesus answered and said unto them, Destroy this temple, and in three days I will raise it up.
20 Then said the Jews, Forty and six years was this temple in building, and wilt thou rear it up in three days?
21 But he spake of the temple of his body.
22 When therefore he was risen from the dead, his disciples remembered that he had said this unto them; and they believed the scripture, and the word which Jesus had said.

Yes, I understand that He spoke of His body as a temple, but how does that fit the context of this:

Matthew 24:1 And Jesus went out, and departed from the temple: and his disciples came to him for to shew him the buildings of the temple. 2 And Jesus said unto them, See ye not all these things? verily I say unto you, There shall not be left here one stone upon another, that shall not be thrown down.

When Jesus said "See ye not all these things?" and proceeded to say that those things would be destroyed, do you think He was talking about all the parts of His body? Was He pointing to His hands and feet and other parts of His body when He said "see ye not all these things"? Clearly not. Why would He describe His body as "these things"? He wouldn't have and He didn't. So, you're taking the passage out of context and trying to relate it to an unrelated passage.

No, He was clearly referring to the temple buildings that the disciples were talking about and saying that they would be destroyed with no stone left upon another. This is obvious. How can you not see this? Unbelievable.

 

[Spiritual Israelite]

So why did the STONE temple come tumbling down at the time of their very real exile???

Did the disciples point out how beautiful Jesus elbows were and how adorned he was with the smell of sweet perfume?

lk 21
5 As some were talking about the temple, that it was decorated with beautiful stones and consecrated offerings [of magnificent gifts of gold which were displayed on the walls and hung in the porticoes], He said, 6 “As for all these things which you see, the time will come when there will not be one stone left on another that will not be torn down.”

This is unbelievable that he's trying to tell us that "all these things which you see" is a reference to Jesus's body. Was He pointing to different parts of His body when He referenced "all these things which you see"? Of course He wasn't. This is just ridiculous. He was clearly referring to the "things" that the disciples were talking about which were the temple buildings and their "beautiful stones and consecrated offerings".

 

[Truth7t7]

That is your assumption, but as I've already said before more than once, I believe what Luke calls "the times of the Gentiles" occurs between the tribulation of Matthew 24:15-22 (Mark 13:14-20, Luke 21:20-24a) and Christ's return. I believe "the tribulation of those days" refers to spiritual tribulation as described in Matthew 24:23-26 which occurs after what is described in Matthew 24:15-22. That tribulation is such that even the elect can be deceived if they're not careful.

I have responded to that already more than once and have explained my view yet again above. Maybe you need to learn to read more carefully. And you have nothing to say about someone not responding. You avoid answering questions repeatedly.

Yes, you can. You're not recognizing that Jesus spoke of two different events, one local to Jerusalem and the surrounding area which occurred around 70 AD and the other is global and yet future.

The issue here is not that I deny He returns immediately after "the tribulation of those days". So, you're making a fool of yourself here by acting as if I'm denying that. Instead, I'm disagreeing with your understanding of what "the tribulation of those days" is referring to.

The following passage describes exactly what happened in 66-70 AD and it is a parallel passage to Matthew 24:15-22.

Luke 21:20 And when ye shall see Jerusalem compassed with armies, then know that the desolation thereof is nigh. 21 Then let them which are in Judaea flee to the mountains; and let them which are in the midst of it depart out; and let not them that are in the countries enter thereinto. 22 For these be the days of vengeance, that all things which are written may be fulfilled. 23 But woe unto them that are with child, and to them that give suck, in those days! for there shall be great distress in the land, and wrath upon this people. 24 And they shall fall by the edge of the sword, and shall be led away captive into all nations: and Jerusalem shall be trodden down of the Gentiles, until the times of the Gentiles be fulfilled.

This describes what happened just before and during 70 AD. The Roman armies came and surrounded Jerusalem and then came and destroyed the city along with the temple buildings just as Jesus said would happen. But, notice in verse 24 that "the times of the Gentiles" followed that. So, it is after the times of the Gentiles are over that Jesus will return, not after the tribulation described in Matthew 24:15-22/Mark 13:14-20/Luke 21:20-24.

Your claim is a fairy tale, just as a pre-trib rapture and Millennial Kingdom is a fairy tale

Scripture teaches that Matthew 24:15 (Daniel's AOD) causes Matthew 24:21 (The Great Tribulation), and Matthew 24:29-30 Jesus returns (Immediately After The Tribulation Of "Those Days") and those days are future and didn't take place in 66-70AD as your "Preterist" teaching falsely claims

"A Fairy Tale", Just Like A Pre-Trib Rapture And Millennial Kingdom On Earth Is "A Fairy Tale"!

1.) A 66-70AD Great Tribulation

2.) A 2,000+ Year Gap called "The Times Of The Gentiles"

3.) A Future Second Coming

A Man Made Fabricated Fairy Tale!

Daniel's AOD, The Great Tribulation, And The Second Coming Are "Future" Events "Unfulfilled"!

Jesus Is The Lord

Matthew 24:15-30KJV
15 When ye therefore shall see the abomination of desolation, spoken of by Daniel the prophet, stand in the holy place, (whoso readeth, let him understand:)
16 Then let them which be in Judaea flee into the mountains:
17 Let him which is on the housetop not come down to take any thing out of his house:
18 Neither let him which is in the field return back to take his clothes.
19 And woe unto them that are with child, and to them that give suck in those days!
20 But pray ye that your flight be not in the winter, neither on the sabbath day:
21 For then shall be great tribulation, such as was not since the beginning of the world to this time, no, nor ever shall be.
22 And except those days should be shortened, there should no flesh be saved: but for the elect's sake those days shall be shortened.
23 Then if any man shall say unto you, Lo, here is Christ, or there; believe it not.
24 For there shall arise false Christs, and false prophets, and shall shew great signs and wonders; insomuch that, if it were possible, they shall deceive the very elect.
25 Behold, I have told you before.
26 Wherefore if they shall say unto you, Behold, he is in the desert; go not forth: behold, he is in the secret chambers; believe it not.
27 For as the lightning cometh out of the east, and shineth even unto the west; so shall also the coming of the Son of man be.
28 For wheresoever the carcase is, there will the eagles be gathered together.
29 Immediately after the tribulation of those days shall the sun be darkened, and the moon shall not give her light, and the stars shall fall from heaven, and the powers of the heavens shall be shaken:
30 And then shall appear the sign of the Son of man in heaven: and then shall all the tribes of the earth mourn, and they shall see the Son of man coming in the clouds of heaven with power and great glory.