Daniels 70-Weeks Timeline

[jeffweeder]

You now do away with the clear teaching of scripture "Immediately After The Tribulation" and claim there is a time gap, to allow for your Preterist 66-70AD teachings, "Fail"!

Pretty hard to have your claimed 66-70AD "Great Tribulation" and Jesus Christ seen returning "Immediately After The Tribulation Of Those Days" in 66-70AD

Your Preterist claims in 66-70AD fulfillment are in the trash can, "Gone"!

Will you continue to deny biblical truth before your eyes?

Daniel's AOD and The Great Tribulation are future events unfulfilled, a biblical fact before your eyes!

Matthew 24:15-30KJV
15 When ye therefore shall see the abomination of desolation, spoken of by Daniel the prophet, stand in the holy place, (whoso readeth, let him understand:)
16 Then let them which be in Judaea flee into the mountains:
17 Let him which is on the housetop not come down to take any thing out of his house:
18 Neither let him which is in the field return back to take his clothes.
19 And woe unto them that are with child, and to them that give suck in those days!
20 But pray ye that your flight be not in the winter, neither on the sabbath day:
21 For then shall be great tribulation, such as was not since the beginning of the world to this time, no, nor ever shall be.
22 And except those days should be shortened, there should no flesh be saved: but for the elect's sake those days shall be shortened.
23 Then if any man shall say unto you, Lo, here is Christ, or there; believe it not.
24 For there shall arise false Christs, and false prophets, and shall shew great signs and wonders; insomuch that, if it were possible, they shall deceive the very elect.
25 Behold, I have told you before.
26 Wherefore if they shall say unto you, Behold, he is in the desert; go not forth: behold, he is in the secret chambers; believe it not.
27 For as the lightning cometh out of the east, and shineth even unto the west; so shall also the coming of the Son of man be.
28 For wheresoever the carcase is, there will the eagles be gathered together.
29 Immediately after the tribulation of those days shall the sun be darkened, and the moon shall not give her light, and the stars shall fall from heaven, and the powers of the heavens shall be shaken:
30 And then shall appear the sign of the Son of man in heaven: and then shall all the tribes of the earth mourn, and they shall see the Son of man coming in the clouds of heaven with power and great glory.

Will you deny that Jesus was clearly speaking of the events that transpired a generation later. (Temple destruction and exile into the nations)
Why would he not warn the people of the imminent terrible events of 70 AD and warn of a future event instead?
Nuts.

 

[Truth7t7]

I see that you have chosen to be immature and speak to me like a little child. Get out of here with that "biblical fact before your eyes" nonsense. Stop equating your opinions with facts. I have no interest in continuing this discussion as long as you are going to insist on acting that way. It's disappointing that you have chosen to act just like the 3 or 4 childish Premils (not saying all Premils are that way, just a few of them here) that we see on this forum. Some here are incapable of having a respectful discussion. Why do you want to be like them?

Signs Of Defeat, Backed Into A Corner Of Truth In Non-Response

You now do away with the clear teaching of scripture "Immediately After The Tribulation" and claim there is a time gap, to allow for your Preterist 66-70AD teachings, "Fail"!

Pretty hard to have your claimed 66-70AD "Great Tribulation" and Jesus Christ seen returning "Immediately After The Tribulation Of Those Days" in 66-70AD

Your Preterist claims in 66-70AD fulfillment are in the trash can, "Gone"!

Will you continue to deny biblical truth before your eyes?

Daniel's AOD and The Great Tribulation are future events unfulfilled, a biblical fact before your eyes!

Matthew 24:15-30KJV
15 When ye therefore shall see the abomination of desolation, spoken of by Daniel the prophet, stand in the holy place, (whoso readeth, let him understand:)
16 Then let them which be in Judaea flee into the mountains:
17 Let him which is on the housetop not come down to take any thing out of his house:
18 Neither let him which is in the field return back to take his clothes.
19 And woe unto them that are with child, and to them that give suck in those days!
20 But pray ye that your flight be not in the winter, neither on the sabbath day:
21 For then shall be great tribulation, such as was not since the beginning of the world to this time, no, nor ever shall be.
22 And except those days should be shortened, there should no flesh be saved: but for the elect's sake those days shall be shortened.
23 Then if any man shall say unto you, Lo, here is Christ, or there; believe it not.
24 For there shall arise false Christs, and false prophets, and shall shew great signs and wonders; insomuch that, if it were possible, they shall deceive the very elect.
25 Behold, I have told you before.
26 Wherefore if they shall say unto you, Behold, he is in the desert; go not forth: behold, he is in the secret chambers; believe it not.
27 For as the lightning cometh out of the east, and shineth even unto the west; so shall also the coming of the Son of man be.
28 For wheresoever the carcase is, there will the eagles be gathered together.
29 Immediately after the tribulation of those days shall the sun be darkened, and the moon shall not give her light, and the stars shall fall from heaven, and the powers of the heavens shall be shaken:
30 And then shall appear the sign of the Son of man in heaven: and then shall all the tribes of the earth mourn, and they shall see the Son of man coming in the clouds of heaven with power and great glory.

 

[Spiritual Israelite]

My belief:

1.) Scripture teaches Daniel's 70 weeks are future and will be 490 literal days, that start with a future command to build the wall and street in Jerusalem

This belief is one you have all to yourself. Does God reveal things only to you? This view makes no sense whatsoever. It says that the first 69 weeks would lead up to the coming of the Messiah and then He would be cut off after that. Do you somehow not understand that the Messiah being cut off refers to the death of Christ? That happened after the first 69 weeks were complete, so how could the 70 weeks all be in the future? You need to drop this particular belief and start over and pray for wisdom when it comes to Daniel 9:24-27. You're way off base here.

2.) Scripture teaches of a future AOD and Great Tribulation, that will take place and start in the future 70th week of Daniel, when the human figure is revealed in Jerusalem

It was future as of Daniel 9:26-27, but it happened long ago around 70 AD. The prophecy relates to the destruction of the city and the sanctuary. You do know that Jerusalem and it's temple were destroyed in 70 AD, don't you?

3.) Scriptures teaches of a future literal human man that will fulfill Daniel's (Little Horn) Paul's (Man of Sin) John's (The Beast) he will be a King Ruler of Jewish/Hebrew decent

He must be really old by now since the beast "was" at the time John wrote the book (see Revelation 17:8).

4.) Scripture teaches the (Two Witnesses) of Revelation Chapter 11 will be literal prophets returned, that will have physical bodies that die, and they will bring literal plagues upon a literal world, a replay of Moses/Aaron against Pharaoh of Egypt

Scripture teaches no such thing. You are taking that far too literally. The two witnesses are described as two candlesticks. What are candlesticks in the book of Revelation? And they are described as two olive trees. Does that not make you think of Romans 11? What do olive trees represent in Romans 11?

5.) Jesus Christ returns immediately after a future 3.5 year great tribulation in fire and final judgment, dissolving this earth by fire (The End)

It's a bit baffling to me that you can discern that the thousand years is not literal, yet you think the 42 months/1260 days/time, times and half a time is literal. Okay then.

There you have it, a brief explanation on my belief and understanding of scripture

And you did it all without saying insulting things like "Your Preterist claims in 66-70AD fulfillment are in the trash can, "Gone"! and "Will you continue to deny biblical truth before your eyes?". See how easy that can be to just state what you believe without including the unnecessary insults?

Jesus Is The Lord

Yes, He is.

 

[Spiritual Israelite]

Signs Of Defeat, Backed Into A Corner Of Truth In Non-Response

You're acting as if I haven't already responded even though I have. What do you want me to do, just keep repeating myself? Otherwise I'm admitting defeat? Good grief, get over yourself. Humble yourself. Arrogance is a sin. You disappoint me with your childishness.

You talk about non-response. I asked you in post #734 where you think Jesus answered the question about when the temple buildings would be destroyed in Matthew 24? You did not respond. So, don't tell me about non-response. Would you like to answer that question now so that you don't come across as a hypocrite?

 

[Truth7t7]

Will you deny that Jesus was clearly speaking of the events that transpired a generation later. (Temple destruction and exile into the nations)
Why would he not warn the people of the imminent terrible events of 70 AD and warn of a future event instead?
Nuts.

Jesus was speaking of events (AOD & Great Trib) that would take place regarding a generation that would be eyewitnesses of Daniel's AOD, The Great Trib, and The Second Coming, it's that simple

 

[Truth7t7]

You're acting as if I haven't already responded even though I have. What do you want me to do, just keep repeating myself? Otherwise I'm admitting defeat? Good grief, get over yourself. Humble yourself. Arrogance is a sin. You disappoint me with your childishness.

You haven't accounted for a 66-70AD great tribulation, and Jesus returning immediately after it, because there isn't a answer, just waffle and sweep it under the carpet

Daniel's AOD, The Great Trib and The Second Coming are all tied together in a "Future" time stamp, you can't change the timeliness, simple and before your eyes

Daniel's AOD causes the Great Tribulation, Jesus Returns Immediately After This Tribulation, "Future" unfulfilled, simple, clear, easy to understand

 

[Spiritual Israelite]

You haven't accounted for a 66-70AD great tribulation, and Jesus returning immediately after it, because there isn't a answer, just waffle and sweep it under the carpet

I never claimed that He returns after the great tribulation that occurred in 70 AD, so why would I need to account for that? Why don't you address what I actually believe instead of having a conversation with your straw man?

Can you tell me where in Matthew 24 that Jesus answered the question about when the temple buildings would be destroyed? Is there some reason why you are avoiding answering this question despite you acting like you know it all?

 

[Truth7t7]

Spiritual Israelite:This belief is one you have all to yourself. Does God reveal things only to you? This view makes no sense whatsoever. It says that the first 69 weeks would lead up to the coming of the Messiah and then He would be cut off after that. Do you somehow not understand that the Messiah being cut off refers to the death of Christ? That happened after the first 69 weeks were complete, so how could the 70 weeks all be in the future? You need to drop this particular belief and start over and pray for wisdom when it comes to Daniel 9:24-27. You're way off base here.

Truth7t7: Messiah is cut off when the future building is stopped by armies surrounding a future Jerusalem

It was future as of Daniel 9:26-27, but it happened long ago around 70 AD. The prophecy relates to the destruction of the city and the sanctuary. You do know that Jerusalem and it's temple were destroyed in 70 AD, don't you?

Truth7t7: 70AD played no part in fulfillment of Matthew chapter 24 "None"

He must be really old by now since the beast "was" at the time John wrote the book (see Revelation 17:8).

Truth7t7: John's The Beast is future, John wrote the book of Revelation in 96AD, your claim fails

Scripture teaches no such thing. You are taking that far too literally. The two witnesses are described as two candlesticks. What are candlesticks in the book of Revelation? And they are described as two olive trees. Does that not make you think of Romans 11? What do olive trees represent in Romans 11?

Truth7t7: Scripture teaches that the (Two Witnesses) in Revelation 11 have literal physical bodies that die, lay in a literal street, as a literal world watches in celebration, your claims fail

It's a bit baffling to me that you can discern that the thousand years is not literal, yet you think the 42 months/1260 days/time, times and half a time is literal. Okay then.

And you did it all without saying insulting things like "Your Preterist claims in 66-70AD fulfillment are in the trash can, "Gone"! and "Will you continue to deny biblical truth before your eyes?". See how easy that can be to just state what you believe without including the unnecessary insults?

Yes, He is.[/QUOTE]

 

[jeffweeder]

Jesus was speaking of events (AOD & Great Trib) that would take place regarding a generation that would be eyewitnesses of Daniel's AOD, The Great Trib, and The Second Coming, it's that simple

Are you speaking of Dan 7?

The Son of Man Presented
13
“I kept looking in the night visions,
And behold, on the clouds of heaven
One like a Son of Man was coming,
And He came up to the Ancient of Days
And was presented before Him.
14
“And to Him (the Messiah) was given dominion (supreme authority),
Glory and a kingdom,
That all the peoples, nations, and speakers of every language
Should serve and worship Him.
His dominion is an everlasting dominion
Which will not pass away;
And His kingdom is one
Which will not be destroyed.


There is only one time when the Son has been caught up and presented before God's throne.
= the ascension.
He was also given all that dominion around that time.

At his second coming Jesus leaves the presence of the ancient of days where he is currently seated.

Rev 5
6 And there between the throne (with the four living creatures) and among the elders I saw a Lamb (Christ) standing, [bearing scars and wounds] as though it had been slain, with seven horns (complete power) and with seven eyes (complete knowledge), which are the seven Spirits of God who have been sent [on duty] into all the earth. 7 And He came and took the scroll from the right hand of Him who sat on the throne. 8 And when He had taken the scroll, the four living creatures and the twenty-four elders fell down before the Lamb (Christ), each one holding a harp and golden bowls full of fragrant incense, which are the prayers of the saints (God’s people). 9 And they sang a new song [of glorious redemption], saying,

“Worthy and deserving are You to take the scroll and to break its seals; for You were slain (sacrificed), and with Your blood You purchased people for God from every tribe and language and people and nation.
10
“You have made them to be a kingdom [of royal subjects] and priests to our God; and they will reign on the earth.”

 

[Truth7t7]

I never claimed that He returns after the great tribulation that occurred in 70 AD, so why would I need to account for that? Why don't you address what I actually believe instead of having a conversation with your straw man?

"Distraction" Again

You believe and teach Daniel's AOD and the great tribulation took place in 66-70AD

You can't have a 66-70AD great tribulation and Jesus returning immediately after this tribulation

Your claim a 66-70AD great tribulation took place in Jerusalem is biblically impossible, shall we continue to run about the Bush in claims you don't understand?

 

[Truth7t7]

Are you speaking of Dan 7?

The Son of Man Presented
13
“I kept looking in the night visions,
And behold, on the clouds of heaven
One like a Son of Man was coming,
And He came up to the Ancient of Days
And was presented before Him.
14
“And to Him (the Messiah) was given dominion (supreme authority),
Glory and a kingdom,
That all the peoples, nations, and speakers of every language
Should serve and worship Him.
His dominion is an everlasting dominion
Which will not pass away;
And His kingdom is one
Which will not be destroyed.


There is only one time when the Son has been caught up and presented before God's throne.
= the ascension.
He was also given all that dominion around that time.

At his second coming Jesus leaves the presence of the ancient of days where he is currently seated.

Rev 5
6 And there between the throne (with the four living creatures) and among the elders I saw a Lamb (Christ) standing, [bearing scars and wounds] as though it had been slain, with seven horns (complete power) and with seven eyes (complete knowledge), which are the seven Spirits of God who have been sent [on duty] into all the earth. 7 And He came and took the scroll from the right hand of Him who sat on the throne. 8 And when He had taken the scroll, the four living creatures and the twenty-four elders fell down before the Lamb (Christ), each one holding a harp and golden bowls full of fragrant incense, which are the prayers of the saints (God’s people). 9 And they sang a new song [of glorious redemption], saying,

“Worthy and deserving are You to take the scroll and to break its seals; for You were slain (sacrificed), and with Your blood You purchased people for God from every tribe and language and people and nation.
10
“You have made them to be a kingdom [of royal subjects] and priests to our God; and they will reign on the earth.”

"Matthew Chapter 24" is speaking to a "Future" generation that would be eyewitnesses of Daniel's AOD, The Great Tribulation, and The Second Coming

 

[covenantee]

Truth7t7: 70AD played no part in fulfillment of Matthew chapter 24 "None"

You continue to be afraid to answer the simple question I posed previously.

Do you think that the Judean Christians should have died?

Jesus and His Judean Christians were the ultimate preterists. Jesus issued a warning in Matthew 24:16 which He knew would be believed, and heeded in 66 AD, well before 70 AD. His Judean Christians did believe, and heed His warning in 66 AD.

That's pure preterism. Prophecy and fulfillment, all before 70 AD.

If preterism is a farce as you claim, then the preterism of Jesus and His Judean Christians was a farce.

Thank God for the farce. It saved the lives of Jesus' Judean Christians.

Thank God that none of them was a dispensational futurist.

 

[Spiritual Israelite]

Spiritual Israelite:This belief is one you have all to yourself. Does God reveal things only to you? This view makes no sense whatsoever. It says that the first 69 weeks would lead up to the coming of the Messiah and then He would be cut off after that. Do you somehow not understand that the Messiah being cut off refers to the death of Christ? That happened after the first 69 weeks were complete, so how could the 70 weeks all be in the future? You need to drop this particular belief and start over and pray for wisdom when it comes to Daniel 9:24-27. You're way off base here.

Truth7t7: Messiah is cut off when the future building is stopped by armies surrounding a future Jerusalem

What does this mean? Please elaborate.

I can't understand how you can not discern that the Messiah being cut off refers to His death on the cross. That's just unbelievable to me.

Isaiah 53:8 By oppression and judgment he was taken away. Yet who of his generation protested? For he was cut off from the land of the living; for the transgression of my people he was punished.

Do you know that this verse is about Jesus? It talks about Him being "cut off from the land of the living"? Do you understand that is talking about His death on the cross? If so, then how can you not see that the reference to the Messiah being cut off in Daniel 9:26 is a reference to His death on the cross?

It was future as of Daniel 9:26-27, but it happened long ago around 70 AD. The prophecy relates to the destruction of the city and the sanctuary. You do know that Jerusalem and it's temple were destroyed in 70 AD, don't you?

Truth7t7: 70AD played no part in fulfillment of Matthew chapter 24 "None"

How can that be? Do you understand that Jesus said the temple buildings standing at that time would be destroyed and that He was asked when that would happen? That is clear. And the temple buildings were destroyed in 70 AD. So, why would He not have answered that question about when the temple buildings would be destroyed?

He must be really old by now since the beast "was" at the time John wrote the book (see Revelation 17:8).

Truth7t7: John's The Beast is future, John wrote the book of Revelation in 96AD, your claim fails

I agree that it was written at that time. What difference does that make? My view is not dependent on when the book was written. The point is that the beast "was" before John wrote the book. So, how could the beast be a man in that case?

What is your understanding of this verse:

Revelation 17:8 The beast, which you saw, once was, now is not, and yet will come up out of the Abyss and go to its destruction. The inhabitants of the earth whose names have not been written in the book of life from the creation of the world will be astonished when they see the beast, because it once was, now is not, and yet will come.

Scripture teaches no such thing. You are taking that far too literally. The two witnesses are described as two candlesticks. What are candlesticks in the book of Revelation? And they are described as two olive trees. Does that not make you think of Romans 11? What do olive trees represent in Romans 11?

Truth7t7: Scripture teaches that the (Two Witnesses) in Revelation 11 have literal physical bodies that die, lay in a literal street, as a literal world watches in celebration, your claims fail

That is all symbolism. How is it that you can recognize some symbolism in Revelation but then can't recognize this symbolism? It makes no sense. And you didn't bother addressing my questions. You continually avoid answering my questions and just continue spouting your rhetoric. I asked you what it means for the two witnesses to be called two candlesticks and two olive trees and you did not respond to that at all.

 

[Truth7t7]

Can you tell me where in Matthew 24 that Jesus answered the question about when the temple buildings would be destroyed? Is there some reason why you are avoiding answering this question despite you acting like you know it all?

John's account of the temple visit

Jesus spoke of a symbolic destruction of the temple, represented by his body on the cross of Calvary

John 2:19-22KJV
19 Jesus answered and said unto them, Destroy this temple, and in three days I will raise it up.
20 Then said the Jews, Forty and six years was this temple in building, and wilt thou rear it up in three days?
21 But he spake of the temple of his body.
22 When therefore he was risen from the dead, his disciples remembered that he had said this unto them; and they believed the scripture, and the word which Jesus had said.

 

[jeffweeder]

"Matthew Chapter 24" is speaking to a "Future" generation that would be eyewitnesses of Daniel's AOD, The Great Tribulation, and The Second Coming

You didnt address my post.

 

[Truth7t7]

You continue to be afraid to answer the simple question I posed previously.

Do you think that the Judean Christians should have died?

Jesus and His Judean Christians were the ultimate preterists. Jesus issued a warning in Matthew 24:16 which He knew would be believed, and heeded in 66 AD, well before 70 AD. His Judean Christians did believe, and heed His warning in 66 AD.

That's pure preterism. Prophecy and fulfillment, all before 70 AD.

If preterism is a farce as you claim, then the preterism of Jesus and His Judean Christians was a farce.

Thank God for the farce. It saved the lives of Jesus' Judean Christians.

Thank God that none of them was a dispensational futurist.

The events of 70AD played no part in fulfillment of Matthew chapter 24

 

[Truth7t7]

Are you speaking of Dan 7?

The Son of Man Presented
13
“I kept looking in the night visions,
And behold, on the clouds of heaven
One like a Son of Man was coming,
And He came up to the Ancient of Days
And was presented before Him.
14
“And to Him (the Messiah) was given dominion (supreme authority),
Glory and a kingdom,
That all the peoples, nations, and speakers of every language
Should serve and worship Him.
His dominion is an everlasting dominion
Which will not pass away;
And His kingdom is one
Which will not be destroyed.


There is only one time when the Son has been caught up and presented before God's throne.
= the ascension.
He was also given all that dominion around that time.

At his second coming Jesus leaves the presence of the ancient of days where he is currently seated.

Rev 5
6 And there between the throne (with the four living creatures) and among the elders I saw a Lamb (Christ) standing, [bearing scars and wounds] as though it had been slain, with seven horns (complete power) and with seven eyes (complete knowledge), which are the seven Spirits of God who have been sent [on duty] into all the earth. 7 And He came and took the scroll from the right hand of Him who sat on the throne. 8 And when He had taken the scroll, the four living creatures and the twenty-four elders fell down before the Lamb (Christ), each one holding a harp and golden bowls full of fragrant incense, which are the prayers of the saints (God’s people). 9 And they sang a new song [of glorious redemption], saying,

“Worthy and deserving are You to take the scroll and to break its seals; for You were slain (sacrificed), and with Your blood You purchased people for God from every tribe and language and people and nation.
10
“You have made them to be a kingdom [of royal subjects] and priests to our God; and they will reign on the earth.”

No

 

[Spiritual Israelite]

"Distraction" Again

What are you talking about? Please grow up. You made a straw man argument against something I don't even believe and I pointed that out. How is that a distraction? You continue to act like a child. I don't know why I'm bothering with you.

You believe and teach Daniel's AOD and the great tribulation took place in 66-70AD

Yes. So?

You can't have a 66-70AD great tribulation and Jesus returning immediately after this tribulation

I don't. Are you reading my posts? I don't see the tribulation that Jesus returns after as being the tribulation that occurred in 70 AD. I have said more than once now that I believe Jesus answered questions about two different things. One related to the destruction of the temple buildings. You agree that those were destroyed in 70 AD, don't you? But, He was also asked about His future coming and the end of the age. It simply makes no sense to deny that He at least talked some about the timing of the destruction of the temple buildings since He was clearly asked about that. Why do you deny that He said anything about it?

Your claim a 66-70AD great tribulation took place in Jerusalem is biblically impossible, shall we continue to run about the Bush in claims you don't understand?

Except that it isn't biblically impossible and I've explained why. But, you aren't willing to "listen".

You are not qualified to tell me what is possible or not. You have these completely nonsensical beliefs such as the 70 weeks are literal 7 day weeks and will happen in the future and that the first resurrection happens after the thousand years. Where do you get these ideas from? Why do you suppose it is that no one else agrees with you on those things?

 

[Spiritual Israelite]

The events of 70AD played no part in fulfillment of Matthew chapter 24

You understand that Jesus said that the temple buildings standing at that time would be destroyed, right (Matthew 24:1-2)? So, when do you think they were destroyed?

 

[Truth7t7]

You didnt address my post.

Please make a direct claim and statement, I don't know where your at?