Daniels 70-Weeks Timeline

[Spiritual Israelite]

You fully understand my explanation,

No, I don't. Are you calling me a liar? I'm saying that I don't understand your view. I can't help that. I think you may be the only person in the world who thinks the 70 weeks are 490 days and will all be fulfilled in the future.

the biblical truth presented destroy's your claims in fulfillment, Daniel's AOD is a "Future" event unfulfilled

You are not destroying anything here. Don't talk to me the way you talk to Premils. You can't just declare to me that you're right and I'm wrong and think that means anything to me. I don't find your arguments regarding this particular topic to be convincing at all.

Daniel's (Little Horn) "Future"

This "Future" figure will be present on earth to see the (Second Coming) of Jesus Christ and (Final Judgement), as this figure will be slain by Jesus Christ and cast into the lake of fire (Future) unfulfilled

"Future" (Second Coming, Final Judgement) Below

Daniel 7:8-11KJV
8 I considered the horns, and, behold, there came up among them another little horn, before whom there were three of the first horns plucked up by the roots: and, behold, in this horn were eyes like the eyes of man, and a mouth speaking great things.
9 I beheld till the thrones were cast down, and the Ancient of days did sit, whose garment was white as snow, and the hair of his head like the pure wool: his throne was like the fiery flame, and his wheels as burning fire.
10 A fiery stream issued and came forth from before him: thousand thousands ministered unto him, and ten thousand times ten thousand stood before him: the judgment was set, and the books were opened.
11 I beheld then because of the voice of the great words which the horn spake: I beheld even till the beast was slain, and his body destroyed, and given to the burning flame.

This "Future" figure will be present on earth making (Abomination & Desolation) to the (Consummation) or (The Ultimate End) "Future" Event(s) Unfulfilled

Merriam-Webster
Definition of consummation

1: the act of consummating the consummation of a contract by mutual signature specifically : the consummating of a marriage
2: the ultimate end

"Even Until The Consummation"

Daniel 9:27KJV
27 And he shall confirm the covenant with many for one week: and in the midst of the week he shall cause the sacrifice and the oblation to cease, and for the overspreading of abominations he shall make it desolate, even until the consummation, and that determined shall be poured upon the desolate.

Daniel 9:24-27 is about the nation of Israel and things that would happen there. It's not a prophecy with a global scope as you think. That is talking about the consummation of the city Jerusalem and the sanctuary being destroyed, as mentioned in Daniel 9:26.

 

[Truth7t7]

Daniel 9:24-27 is about the nation of Israel and things that would happen there. It's not a prophecy with a global scope as you think. That is talking about the consummation of the city Jerusalem and the sanctuary being destroyed, as mentioned in Daniel 9:26.

As you have been clearly shown, Daniel 9:27 didn't take place in your preterist 66-70AD as you have claimed the consummation has been fulfilled "Wrong"

Your Preterist Claim Fails, As You Deny This Biblical Truth Before Your Eyes

(The Future Consummation)

2 Peter 3:10KJV
10 But the day of the Lord will come as a thief in the night; in the which the heavens shall pass away with a great noise, and the elements shall melt with fervent heat, the earth also and the works that are therein shall be burned up.

Daniel's (Little Horn) "Future"

This "Future" figure will be present on earth to see the (Second Coming) of Jesus Christ and (Final Judgement), as this figure will be slain by Jesus Christ and cast into the lake of fire (Future) unfulfilled

"Future" (Second Coming, Final Judgement) Below

Psalm 50:3KJV
3 Our God shall come, and shall not keep silence: a fire shall devour before him, and it shall be very tempestuous round about him.


Daniel 7:8-11KJV
8 I considered the horns, and, behold, there came up among them another little horn, before whom there were three of the first horns plucked up by the roots: and, behold, in this horn were eyes like the eyes of man, and a mouth speaking great things.
9 I beheld till the thrones were cast down, and the Ancient of days did sit, whose garment was white as snow, and the hair of his head like the pure wool: his throne was like the fiery flame, and his wheels as burning fire.
10 A fiery stream issued and came forth from before him: thousand thousands ministered unto him, and ten thousand times ten thousand stood before him: the judgment was set, and the books were opened.
11 I beheld then because of the voice of the great words which the horn spake: I beheld even till the beast was slain, and his body destroyed, and given to the burning flame.

This "Future" figure will be present on earth making (Abomination & Desolation) to the (Consummation) or (The Ultimate End) "Future" Event(s) Unfulfilled

Merriam-Webster
Definition of consummation

1: the act of consummating the consummation of a contract by mutual signature specifically : the consummating of a marriage
2: the ultimate end

Daniel 9:27KJV
27 And he shall confirm the covenant with many for one week: and in the midst of the week he shall cause the sacrifice and the oblation to cease, and for the overspreading of abominations he shall make it desolate, even until the consummation, and that determined shall be poured upon the desolate.

 

[DanielConway]

I dunno. My exact eschatological formulation is still very much in flux. I like the mapping of Daniel's 70 weeks on to the period from time to the crucifixion and resurrection of Christ. Where I differ from the various opinions here is that I identify the first and second beasts of Revelation 13 as the early Pagan and later Constantinian Roman empires, respectively. /scribd.com/document/421495943/The-two-beasts-of-Revelation-Identified
That puts the period of the little horn in my construct somewhere during the Imperial Crisis, AD 273 to AD 308 or thereabouts. I think it was Diocleteon, and that the great tribulation maps to his attempt (along with one or two of his cohorts) to completely stamp Christianity out from the Empire during the Diocletic persecution, which lasted around 4 years or so I think.

 

[Truth7t7]

I dunno. My exact eschatological formulation is still very much in flux. I like the mapping of Daniel's 70 weeks on to the period from time to the crucifixion and resurrection of Christ. Where I differ from the various opinions here is that I identify the first and second beasts of Revelation 13 as the early Pagan and later Constantinian Roman empires, respectively. /scribd.com/document/421495943/The-two-beasts-of-Revelation-Identified
That puts the period of the little horn in my construct somewhere during the Imperial Crisis, AD 273 to AD 308 or thereabouts. I think it was Diocleteon, and that the great tribulation maps to his attempt (along with one or two of his cohorts) to completely stamp Christianity out from the Empire during the Diocletic persecution, which lasted around 4 years or so I think.

Daniel's (Little Horn)

This "Future" figure will be present on earth to see the (Second Coming) of Jesus Christ and (Final Judgement), as this figure will be slain by Jesus Christ and cast into the lake of fire (Future) unfulfilled

"Future" (Second Coming, Final Judgement) Below

Psalm 50:3KJV
3 Our God shall come, and shall not keep silence: a fire shall devour before him, and it shall be very tempestuous round about him.

Daniel 7:8-11KJV
8 I considered the horns, and, behold, there came up among them another little horn, before whom there were three of the first horns plucked up by the roots: and, behold, in this horn were eyes like the eyes of man, and a mouth speaking great things.
9 I beheld till the thrones were cast down, and the Ancient of days did sit, whose garment was white as snow, and the hair of his head like the pure wool: his throne was like the fiery flame, and his wheels as burning fire.
10 A fiery stream issued and came forth from before him: thousand thousands ministered unto him, and ten thousand times ten thousand stood before him: the judgment was set, and the books were opened.
11 I beheld then because of the voice of the great words which the horn spake: I beheld even till the beast was slain, and his body destroyed, and given to the burning flame.

 

[DanielConway]

Daniel's (Little Horn)

This "Future" figure will be present on earth to see the (Second Coming) of Jesus Christ and (Final Judgement), as this figure will be slain by Jesus Christ and cast into the lake of fire (Future) unfulfilled

"Future" (Second Coming, Final Judgement) Below

Daniel 7:8-11KJV
8 I considered the horns, and, behold, there came up among them another little horn, before whom there were three of the first horns plucked up by the roots: and, behold, in this horn were eyes like the eyes of man, and a mouth speaking great things.
9 I beheld till the thrones were cast down, and the Ancient of days did sit, whose garment was white as snow, and the hair of his head like the pure wool: his throne was like the fiery flame, and his wheels as burning fire.
10 A fiery stream issued and came forth from before him: thousand thousands ministered unto him, and ten thousand times ten thousand stood before him: the judgment was set, and the books were opened.
11 I beheld then because of the voice of the great words which the horn spake: I beheld even till the beast was slain, and his body destroyed, and given to the burning flame.

Look man if your not going to address the argument you are posting in dissuasion to or to even modify your own position by adding a bit of justification to it just give my post a thumbs down. You long ago in this thread took on the timbre of a resounding gong or a clanging cymbol, you dig?

 

[Truth7t7]

Look man if your not going to address the argument you are posting in dissuasion to or to even modify your own position by adding a bit of justification to it just give my post a thumbs down. You long ago in this thread took on the timbre of a resounding gong or a clanging cymbol, you dig?

Your claim that Daniel's little horn took place in (AD 273-AD 308) is silenced in the presented scripture, no modification is needed, read it again and again, it's "Future" unfulfilled

Daniel's (Little Horn)

This "Future" figure will be present on earth to see the (Second Coming) of Jesus Christ and (Final Judgement), as this figure will be slain by Jesus Christ and cast into the lake of fire (Future) unfulfilled

"Future" (Second Coming, Final Judgement) Below

Psalm 50:3KJV
3 Our God shall come, and shall not keep silence: a fire shall devour before him, and it shall be very tempestuous round about him.

Daniel 7:8-11KJV
8 I considered the horns, and, behold, there came up among them another little horn, before whom there were three of the first horns plucked up by the roots: and, behold, in this horn were eyes like the eyes of man, and a mouth speaking great things.
9 I beheld till the thrones were cast down, and the Ancient of days did sit, whose garment was white as snow, and the hair of his head like the pure wool: his throne was like the fiery flame, and his wheels as burning fire.
10 A fiery stream issued and came forth from before him: thousand thousands ministered unto him, and ten thousand times ten thousand stood before him: the judgment was set, and the books were opened.
11 I beheld then because of the voice of the great words which the horn spake: I beheld even till the beast was slain, and his body destroyed, and given to the burning flame.

 

[DanielConway]

Well, you at least took the timble to throw in a quote from the Psalms, which are a timeless collection, and that's precisely what that scripture reference is, timeless. There is no reference to its historical place of fulfillment whatsoever and it is rhetorically dishonest of you to try to force it to have one by placing it in that point of your apocalyptic timeline. The rest is just another repetition of what you have previously screewed here before and I have no more reason to be convinced by it than before.

 

[Spiritual Israelite]

As you have been clearly shown, Daniel 9:27 didn't take place in your preterist 66-70AD as you have claimed the consummation has been fulfilled "Wrong"

No, I definitely haven't been clearly shown that at all. You may think you're being clear, but I don't think you're being clear at all. You are applying a passage about a global event to something that has to do with a local event in Israel. That simply does not make any sense.

Do you have something against the idea that some prophecy was fulfilled when the city of Jerusalem and the temple buildings were destroyed in 70 AD? Did Jesus not say that would happen? He certainly did. Daniel said it would happen first and Jesus confirmed it. So, I don't understand your problem with believing that what happened then fulfilled a Bible prophecy. It doesn't mean you have to become a preterist just because of believing that one particular thing happened long ago.

 

[covenantee]

I dunno. My exact eschatological formulation is still very much in flux. I like the mapping of Daniel's 70 weeks on to the period from time to the crucifixion and resurrection of Christ. Where I differ from the various opinions here is that I identify the first and second beasts of Revelation 13 as the early Pagan and later Constantinian Roman empires, respectively. /scribd.com/document/421495943/The-two-beasts-of-Revelation-Identified
That puts the period of the little horn in my construct somewhere during the Imperial Crisis, AD 273 to AD 308 or thereabouts. I think it was Diocleteon, and that the great tribulation maps to his attempt (along with one or two of his cohorts) to completely stamp Christianity out from the Empire during the Diocletic persecution, which lasted around 4 years or so I think.

Your historical perspective regarding Daniel 7 and Revelation 13 is astute.

The Reformers identified the little horn as the Roman papacy, which apostasized over the centuries leading to the Reformation. The accuracy of that identification was integral to the spiritual success of the Reformation.

Other identities in Daniel 7:

Ten horns (kingdoms) which arose from the dissolution of the Roman empire, and their first or early kings:
Heruli - Anthyrius I
Suevi - Hermeric
Burgundians - Gjúki
Huns - Attila
Ostrogoths - Theodoric
Visigoths - Alaric I
Vandals - Genseric
Lombards - Lethuc
Franks - Ascaric
Anglo-Saxons - Alfred the Great

Little horn (kingdom) and king: The Roman papacy, governed by pope Gelasius I when the first of the three kings in Daniel 7:8,20,24, Odoacer of the Heruli, was overthrown in 493.

The three kings overthrown: Odoacer of the Heruli in 493, Gelimer of the Vandals in 534, Teia of the Ostrogoths in 553.

 

[Truth7t7]

No, I definitely haven't been clearly shown that at all. You may think you're being clear, but I don't think you're being clear at all. You are applying a passage about a global event to something that has to do with a local event in Israel. That simply does not make any sense.

Do you have something against the idea that some prophecy was fulfilled when the city of Jerusalem and the temple buildings were destroyed in 70 AD? Did Jesus not say that would happen? He certainly did. Daniel said it would happen first and Jesus confirmed it. So, I don't understand your problem with believing that what happened then fulfilled a Bible prophecy. It doesn't mean you have to become a preterist just because of believing that one particular thing happened long ago.

Yes to believe that Matthew 24:15 Daniel's AOD or Matthew 24:21 The Great Tribulation took place in 66-70AD is "Preterist"

Yes Daniel's AOD causes The Great Tribulation, and Jesus Christ literally and visibly returns immediately after a "Future" AOD and Great Tribulation, and it didn't take place in your claims of 66-70AD

Pretty hard to have your claimed 66-70AD "Great Tribulation" and Jesus Christ seen returning "Immediately After The Tribulation Of Those Days" in 66-70AD

Your Preterist claims in 66-70AD fulfillment are in the trash can, "Gone"!

Will you continue to deny biblical truth before your eyes?

Daniel's AOD and The Great Tribulation are future events unfulfilled, a biblical fact before your eyes!

Matthew 24:15-30KJV
15 When ye therefore shall see the abomination of desolation, spoken of by Daniel the prophet, stand in the holy place, (whoso readeth, let him understand:)
16 Then let them which be in Judaea flee into the mountains:
17 Let him which is on the housetop not come down to take any thing out of his house:
18 Neither let him which is in the field return back to take his clothes.
19 And woe unto them that are with child, and to them that give suck in those days!
20 But pray ye that your flight be not in the winter, neither on the sabbath day:
21 For then shall be great tribulation, such as was not since the beginning of the world to this time, no, nor ever shall be.
22 And except those days should be shortened, there should no flesh be saved: but for the elect's sake those days shall be shortened.
23 Then if any man shall say unto you, Lo, here is Christ, or there; believe it not.
24 For there shall arise false Christs, and false prophets, and shall shew great signs and wonders; insomuch that, if it were possible, they shall deceive the very elect.
25 Behold, I have told you before.
26 Wherefore if they shall say unto you, Behold, he is in the desert; go not forth: behold, he is in the secret chambers; believe it not.
27 For as the lightning cometh out of the east, and shineth even unto the west; so shall also the coming of the Son of man be.
28 For wheresoever the carcase is, there will the eagles be gathered together.
29 Immediately after the tribulation of those days shall the sun be darkened, and the moon shall not give her light, and the stars shall fall from heaven, and the powers of the heavens shall be shaken:
30 And then shall appear the sign of the Son of man in heaven: and then shall all the tribes of the earth mourn, and they shall see the Son of man coming in the clouds of heaven with power and great glory.

 

[Truth7t7]

Your historical perspective regarding Daniel 7 and Revelation 13 is astute.

The Reformers identified the little horn as the Roman papacy, which apostasized over the centuries leading to the Reformation. The accuracy of that identification was integral to the spiritual success of the Reformation.

Other identities in Daniel 7:

Ten horns (kingdoms) which arose from the dissolution of the Roman empire, and their first or early kings:
Heruli - Anthyrius I
Suevi - Hermeric
Burgundians - Gjúki
Huns - Attila
Ostrogoths - Theodoric
Visigoths - Alaric I
Vandals - Genseric
Lombards - Lethuc
Franks - Ascaric
Anglo-Saxons - Alfred the Great

Little horn (kingdom) and king: The Roman papacy, governed by pope Gelasius I when the first of the three kings in Daniel 7:8,20,24, Odoacer of the Heruli, was overthrown in 493.

The three kings overthrown: Odoacer of the Heruli in 493, Gelimer of the Vandals in 534, Teia of the Ostrogoths in 553.

Reformed Preterist Eschatology Is Error, Daniel's (Little Horn) will be a future individual human man as clearly seen below

Daniel's (Little Horn)

This "Future" figure will be present on earth to see the (Second Coming) of Jesus Christ and (Final Judgement), as this figure will be slain by Jesus Christ and cast into the lake of fire (Future) unfulfilled

"Future" (Second Coming, Final Judgement) Below

Psalm 50:3KJV
3 Our God shall come, and shall not keep silence: a fire shall devour before him, and it shall be very tempestuous round about him.

Daniel 7:8-11KJV
8 I considered the horns, and, behold, there came up among them another little horn, before whom there were three of the first horns plucked up by the roots: and, behold, in this horn were eyes like the eyes of man, and a mouth speaking great things.
9 I beheld till the thrones were cast down, and the Ancient of days did sit, whose garment was white as snow, and the hair of his head like the pure wool: his throne was like the fiery flame, and his wheels as burning fire.
10 A fiery stream issued and came forth from before him: thousand thousands ministered unto him, and ten thousand times ten thousand stood before him: the judgment was set, and the books were opened.
11 I beheld then because of the voice of the great words which the horn spake: I beheld even till the beast was slain, and his body destroyed, and given to the burning flame.

 

[covenantee]

Reformed Preterist Eschatology Is Error, Daniel's (Little Horn) will be a future individual human man as clearly seen below

Daniel's (Little Horn)

This "Future" figure will be present on earth to see the (Second Coming) of Jesus Christ and (Final Judgement), as this figure will be slain by Jesus Christ and cast into the lake of fire (Future) unfulfilled

"Future" (Second Coming, Final Judgement) Below

Psalm 50:3KJV
3 Our God shall come, and shall not keep silence: a fire shall devour before him, and it shall be very tempestuous round about him.

Daniel 7:8-11KJV
8 I considered the horns, and, behold, there came up among them another little horn, before whom there were three of the first horns plucked up by the roots: and, behold, in this horn were eyes like the eyes of man, and a mouth speaking great things.
9 I beheld till the thrones were cast down, and the Ancient of days did sit, whose garment was white as snow, and the hair of his head like the pure wool: his throne was like the fiery flame, and his wheels as burning fire.
10 A fiery stream issued and came forth from before him: thousand thousands ministered unto him, and ten thousand times ten thousand stood before him: the judgment was set, and the books were opened.
11 I beheld then because of the voice of the great words which the horn spake: I beheld even till the beast was slain, and his body destroyed, and given to the burning flame.

There's no greater farce than futurized fantasy and fallacy. Why have you climbed into the same bed?

I've presented verifiable names and dates.

What are your verifiable names and dates?

 

[Truth7t7]

There's no greater farce than futurized fantasy and fallacy. Why have you climbed into the same bed?

I've presented verifiable names and dates.

What are your verifiable names and dates?

Pretty hard to have a historically "Fulfilled" (Little Horn) when scripture clearly teaches this figure will be present on earth at the second coming of Jesus Christ

The (Little Horn) is "Future" unfulfilled, simple, clear, and before your eyes, read it again and again!

Daniel's (Little Horn)

This "Future" figure will be present on earth to see the (Second Coming) of Jesus Christ and (Final Judgement), as this figure will be slain by Jesus Christ and cast into the lake of fire (Future) unfulfilled

"Future" (Second Coming, Final Judgement) Below

Psalm 50:3KJV
3 Our God shall come, and shall not keep silence: a fire shall devour before him, and it shall be very tempestuous round about him.

Daniel 7:8-11KJV
8 I considered the horns, and, behold, there came up among them another little horn, before whom there were three of the first horns plucked up by the roots: and, behold, in this horn were eyes like the eyes of man, and a mouth speaking great things.
9 I beheld till the thrones were cast down, and the Ancient of days did sit, whose garment was white as snow, and the hair of his head like the pure wool: his throne was like the fiery flame, and his wheels as burning fire.
10 A fiery stream issued and came forth from before him: thousand thousands ministered unto him, and ten thousand times ten thousand stood before him: the judgment was set, and the books were opened.
11 I beheld then because of the voice of the great words which the horn spake: I beheld even till the beast was slain, and his body destroyed, and given to the burning flame.

 

[Spiritual Israelite]

Yes to believe that Matthew 24:15 Daniel's AOD or Matthew 24:21 The Great Tribulation took place in 66-70AD is "Preterist"

So what? It doesn't mean I agree with preterists on the rest of the Olivet Discourse. I don't.

Yes Daniel's AOD causes The Great Tribulation, and Jesus Christ literally and visibly returns immediately after a "Future" AOD and Great Tribulation, and it didn't take place in your claims of 66-70AD

I don't claim that He returned in any way, shape or form in 70 AD. You don't need to be lumping me in with preterists who think all of the Olivet Discourse is past and almost all of Revelation. That's not what I believe.

Pretty hard to have your claimed 66-70AD "Great Tribulation" and Jesus Christ seen returning "Immediately After The Tribulation Of Those Days" in 66-70AD

If you read the Luke 21 account, you should see that there is a time period called "the times of the Gentiles" that occur after the great tribulation that occurred in Israel long ago. It is after the times of the Gentiles and the time of tribulation of major deception that is recorded in Matthew 24:23-26 that Jesus returns.

Your Preterist claims in 66-70AD fulfillment are in the trash can, "Gone"!

LOL. Do you think you're talking to a novice here? You have proven NOTHING. You can claim things all you want, but you have to prove them. You are not doing that.

Will you continue to deny biblical truth before your eyes?

I'm not doing that. Your false accusations are the same kind of things that some of the premils here typically do. Are you able to have a respectful discussion like an adult without these kinds of comments or are you going to act childish instead?

Daniel's AOD and The Great Tribulation are future events unfulfilled, a biblical fact before your eyes!

You need to learn the definition of the word "fact". You are sharing your OPINION here. You need to humble yourself.

Matthew 24:15-30KJV
15 When ye therefore shall see the abomination of desolation, spoken of by Daniel the prophet, stand in the holy place, (whoso readeth, let him understand:)
16 Then let them which be in Judaea flee into the mountains:
17 Let him which is on the housetop not come down to take any thing out of his house:
18 Neither let him which is in the field return back to take his clothes.
19 And woe unto them that are with child, and to them that give suck in those days!
20 But pray ye that your flight be not in the winter, neither on the sabbath day:
21 For then shall be great tribulation, such as was not since the beginning of the world to this time, no, nor ever shall be.
22 And except those days should be shortened, there should no flesh be saved: but for the elect's sake those days shall be shortened.
23 Then if any man shall say unto you, Lo, here is Christ, or there; believe it not.
24 For there shall arise false Christs, and false prophets, and shall shew great signs and wonders; insomuch that, if it were possible, they shall deceive the very elect.
25 Behold, I have told you before.
26 Wherefore if they shall say unto you, Behold, he is in the desert; go not forth: behold, he is in the secret chambers; believe it not.
27 For as the lightning cometh out of the east, and shineth even unto the west; so shall also the coming of the Son of man be.
28 For wheresoever the carcase is, there will the eagles be gathered together.
29 Immediately after the tribulation of those days shall the sun be darkened, and the moon shall not give her light, and the stars shall fall from heaven, and the powers of the heavens shall be shaken:
30 And then shall appear the sign of the Son of man in heaven: and then shall all the tribes of the earth mourn, and they shall see the Son of man coming in the clouds of heaven with power and great glory.

The tribulation referenced in verse 29 is not the same as the tribulation mentioned in verse 21. You're not understanding that Jesus was asked about two different things. One related to the destruction of the temple buildings standing at that time and the other related to His future second coming at the end of the age.

Jesus told the disciples that the temple buildings they were marveling at would be destroyed. I would hope you agree with that. It's very clear.

Matthew 24:1 And Jesus went out, and departed from the temple: and his disciples came to him for to shew him the buildings of the temple. 2 And Jesus said unto them, See ye not all these things? verily I say unto you, There shall not be left here one stone upon another, that shall not be thrown down.

After this, the disciples asked Him two questions, one of which was about the timing of the destruction of the temple buildings.

Matthew 24:3 And as he sat upon the mount of Olives, the disciples came unto him privately, saying, Tell us, when shall these things be? and what shall be the sign of thy coming, and of the end of the world?

Can you see in verse 2 that Jesus referred to the temple buildings as "these things"? That is what the disciples first question related to. They asked Him "when shall these things be?". They were asking Him when shall these things (the temple buildings) be destroyed as He told them they would be. So, where in Matthew 24 do you believe He answered that question? I believe He answered it in Matthew 24:15-22. Don't try to tell me that He didn't answer it at all because that is a completely invalid answer that can't be taken seriously. He would not refuse to answer that question.

 

[Spiritual Israelite]

There's no greater farce than futurized fantasy and fallacy. Why have you climbed into the same bed?

I've presented verifiable names and dates.

What are your verifiable names and dates?

He is an Amil but is more of a futurist than many Premils. I've never seen anything quite like it.

 

[covenantee]

He is an Amil but is more of a futurist than many Premils. I've never seen anything quite like it.

Yeah.

 

[covenantee]

Pretty hard to have a "Fulfilled" (Little Horn) when scripture clearly teaches this figure will be present on earth at the second coming of Jesus Christ "Future" unfulfilled, simple, clear, and before your eyes

Daniel's (Little Horn)

This "Future" figure will be present on earth to see the (Second Coming) of Jesus Christ and (Final Judgement), as this figure will be slain by Jesus Christ and cast into the lake of fire (Future) unfulfilled

"Future" (Second Coming, Final Judgement) Below

Psalm 50:3KJV
3 Our God shall come, and shall not keep silence: a fire shall devour before him, and it shall be very tempestuous round about him.

Daniel 7:8-11KJV
8 I considered the horns, and, behold, there came up among them another little horn, before whom there were three of the first horns plucked up by the roots: and, behold, in this horn were eyes like the eyes of man, and a mouth speaking great things.
9 I beheld till the thrones were cast down, and the Ancient of days did sit, whose garment was white as snow, and the hair of his head like the pure wool: his throne was like the fiery flame, and his wheels as burning fire.
10 A fiery stream issued and came forth from before him: thousand thousands ministered unto him, and ten thousand times ten thousand stood before him: the judgment was set, and the books were opened.
11 I beheld then because of the voice of the great words which the horn spake: I beheld even till the beast was slain, and his body destroyed, and given to the burning flame.

I didn't ask for your hallucinations. I asked for your verifiable names and dates.

Starting with ten kings and kingdoms.

What are they?

 

[Truth7t7]

If you read the Luke 21 account, you should see that there is a time period called "the times of the Gentiles" that occur after the great tribulation that occurred in Israel long ago. It is after the times of the Gentiles and the time of tribulation of major deception that is recorded in Matthew 24:23-26 that Jesus returns.

You now do away with the clear teaching of scripture "Immediately After The Tribulation" and claim there is a time gap, to allow for your Preterist 66-70AD teachings, "Fail"!

Pretty hard to have your claimed 66-70AD "Great Tribulation" and Jesus Christ seen returning "Immediately After The Tribulation Of Those Days" in 66-70AD

Your Preterist claims in 66-70AD fulfillment are in the trash can, "Gone"!

Will you continue to deny biblical truth before your eyes?

Daniel's AOD and The Great Tribulation are future events unfulfilled, a biblical fact before your eyes!

Matthew 24:15-30KJV
15 When ye therefore shall see the abomination of desolation, spoken of by Daniel the prophet, stand in the holy place, (whoso readeth, let him understand:)
16 Then let them which be in Judaea flee into the mountains:
17 Let him which is on the housetop not come down to take any thing out of his house:
18 Neither let him which is in the field return back to take his clothes.
19 And woe unto them that are with child, and to them that give suck in those days!
20 But pray ye that your flight be not in the winter, neither on the sabbath day:
21 For then shall be great tribulation, such as was not since the beginning of the world to this time, no, nor ever shall be.
22 And except those days should be shortened, there should no flesh be saved: but for the elect's sake those days shall be shortened.
23 Then if any man shall say unto you, Lo, here is Christ, or there; believe it not.
24 For there shall arise false Christs, and false prophets, and shall shew great signs and wonders; insomuch that, if it were possible, they shall deceive the very elect.
25 Behold, I have told you before.
26 Wherefore if they shall say unto you, Behold, he is in the desert; go not forth: behold, he is in the secret chambers; believe it not.
27 For as the lightning cometh out of the east, and shineth even unto the west; so shall also the coming of the Son of man be.
28 For wheresoever the carcase is, there will the eagles be gathered together.
29 Immediately after the tribulation of those days shall the sun be darkened, and the moon shall not give her light, and the stars shall fall from heaven, and the powers of the heavens shall be shaken:
30 And then shall appear the sign of the Son of man in heaven: and then shall all the tribes of the earth mourn, and they shall see the Son of man coming in the clouds of heaven with power and great glory.

 

[Truth7t7]

He is an Amil but is more of a futurist than many Premils. I've never seen anything quite like it.

My belief:

1.) Scripture teaches Daniel's 70 weeks are future and will be 490 literal days, that start with a future command to build the wall and street in Jerusalem

2.) Scripture teaches of a future AOD and Great Tribulation, that will take place and start in the future 70th week of Daniel, when the human figure is revealed in Jerusalem

3.) Scriptures teaches of a future literal human man that will fulfill Daniel's (Little Horn) Paul's (Man of Sin) John's (The Beast) he will be a King Ruler of Jewish/Hebrew decent

4.) Scripture teaches the (Two Witnesses) of Revelation Chapter 11 will be literal prophets returned, that will have physical bodies that die, and they will bring literal plagues upon a literal world, a replay of Moses/Aaron against Pharaoh of Egypt

5.) Jesus Christ returns immediately after a future 3.5 year great tribulation in fire and final judgment, dissolving this earth by fire (The End)

There you have it, a brief explanation on my belief and understanding of scripture

Jesus Is The Lord

 

[Spiritual Israelite]

You now do away with the clear teaching of scripture "Immediately After The Tribulation" and claim there is a time gap, to allow for your Preterist 66-70AD teachings, "Fail"!

I see that you have chosen to be immature and speak to me like a little child. Get out of here with that "biblical fact before your eyes" nonsense. Stop equating your opinions with facts. I have no interest in continuing this discussion as long as you are going to insist on acting that way. It's disappointing that you have chosen to act just like the 3 or 4 childish Premils (not saying all Premils are that way, just a few of them here) that we see on this forum. Some here are incapable of having a respectful discussion. Why do you want to be like them?