Daniels 70-Weeks Timeline

[covenantee]

Obviously. :cool:


No. I believe that you are in error. If we counted from 444 BC 483 years, we would arrive at AD 40 not AD 39. Better check your math.



Are you expecting me to believe that you don't know how 476 years was concluded? I'm not buying any of that. You know exactly how I arrived at those numbers. What is confusing is how you think you could possibly arrive at the date of the Messiahs prophesied coming if you don't convert prophesied Biblical years to Calander years.

For any that don't know, a Biblical year is 360 days instead of 365.25 days. There are many examples in the Word. Here is one example.

Revelation 12
14 And to the woman were given two wings of a great eagle, that she might fly into the wilderness, into her place, where she is nourished for a time, and times, and half a time, from the face of the serpent.

Revelation 12
6 And the woman fled into the wilderness, where she hath a place prepared of God, that they should feed her there a thousand two hundred and threescore days.

The woman, Israel, is in the wilderness in her place of protection for a time, times and half a time. That is 3 and half years. Then we see she is fed for a thousand two hundred and three score days. This is 1,260 days.

Conclusion: three and a half years equals 1,260 days, Biblically. Whereas, if you are talking Calander years instead of Biblical years, that would be a little over 1278 days.

So God talks in 360-day years and there are 365.25 days in a Calander year. When we are looking for an exact date, we can't arrive at the proper answer unless we convert Biblical years to Calander years.

Therefore 483 Biblical years is 173,880 days (483 X 360 = 173,880) Take those days and divide by 365.25. (173,880/365.25) = 476 Years and 21 days.

Hebrew calendar - Wikipedia

In this description are numerous references to Genesis, the Torah, and the 365 1/4 day year.

There is no mention whatever of a 360 day year.

 

[Christian Gedge]

No. I believe that you are in error. If we counted from 444 BC 483 years, we would arrive at AD 40 not AD 39. Better check your math.

My bad. Thank you.

What is confusing is how you think you could possibly arrive at the date of the Messiahs prophesied coming if you don't convert prophesied Biblical years to Calander years.

I did. On the opening post, using a normal calendar.

For any that don't know, a Biblical year is 360 days instead of 365.25 days. There are many examples in the Word. Here is one example.

There is no “Biblical year” of 360 days. To better understand the examples you’ve given, please read chapter 3 of the Atonement Clock.

483 Biblical years is 173,880 days (483 X 360 = 173,880) Take those days and divide by 365.25. (173,880/365.25) = 476 Years and 21 days.

The source of these calculations are from Sir Robert Anderson, The Coming Prince, published 1895. There are serious flaws in Andersons theories which have damaged modern eschatology.

 

[Timtofly]

So God talks in 360-day years and there are 365.25 days in a Calander year. When we are looking for an exact date, we can't arrive at the proper answer unless we convert Biblical years to Calander years.

Therefore 483 Biblical years is 173,880 days (483 X 360 = 173,880) Take those days and divide by 365.25. (173,880/365.25) = 476 Years and 21 days.

444 is based on the accepted Calendar. You have to change the date to your 360 day/year Calendar. A year is still a year.

If you say 444 is viewed as 365.25 days, then you have to use those days, which would be 483×365.25=176,416 days. Then turn that same time into 360 day years giving you 490 years. So you need to add 7 years, and change 444 to 451 your date instead. Then you can explain why your date is 7 years different than 444.

The prophecy was not for 476 years 7 years shorter. It was for 483 years no matter how many days in a year.

Your math is assuming 444 is based on a 360 day year. How do you know it is not?

451 to 33 is still your 483 years, no?

 

[The Light]

Where do the words "decree" or "command(ment)" appear in the passage?

Are you an oracle of delusion?

Chris can probably help you here. You are far, far more likely to understand if it comes from him.

 

[The Light]

Messiah arrives AFTER 69 weeks. The scripture is right there to be believed.


25 So you are to know and discern that from the issuing of a decree to restore and rebuild Jerusalem until Messiah the Prince there will be seven weeks and sixty-two weeks.


Time for you to stop ignoring this verse and explain it.

You still can't get it. The Messiah comes at the end of 69 weeks. He is cut off AFTER 69 weeks.

 

[The Light]

It certainly was not given by Artaxerxes then. Artaxerxes gave Nehemiah a letter for timber, not stones to build a city and a wall that had already been built by the decree of Cyrus.

Obviously "nothing" means something to you as you make the smallest percentage out to be the whole point.

Obviously, you still don't get it. The decree by Cyrus was only to build the Temple. And further you still haven't figured out it's not about the building, it about the date of the decree to rebuild Jerusalem. You any good at golf?

 

[covenantee]

Chris can probably help you here. You are far, far more likely to understand if it comes from him.

Chris doesn't see any "decree" or "command(ment)".

I don't see any "decree" or "command(ment)".

You don't see any "decree" or "command(ment)".

Who's next?

 

[Timtofly]

Obviously, you still don't get it. The decree by Cyrus was only to build the Temple. And further you still haven't figured out it's not about the building, it about the date of the decree to rebuild Jerusalem. You any good at golf?

This logic is like saying the declaration of independence was not to build the US. Only the New Deal decreed by FDR built the US.

Do you mean rebuild for the third time? The decree of Cyrus built all the cities of those returning Hebrews, including Jerusalem. The Temple was just one aspect of the book of Ezra, not the only aspect. You are implying Jerusalem was destroyed again in the reign of Artaxerxes, by the command of Artaxerxes. Thus implying Artaxerxes changed his mind and told them to rebuild after tearing down the city.

 

[The Light]

This logic is like saying the declaration of independence was not to build the US. Only the New Deal decreed by FDR built the US.

Bad example. Your logic is like saying the Declaration of Independence was to build both the USA and Canada.

Here is the decree of Cyrus. Please point out the verse that says Cyrus decrees the rebuilding of Jerusalem.
Ezra 1
Now in the first year of Cyrus king of Persia, that the word of the Lord by the mouth of Jeremiah might be fulfilled, the Lord stirred up the spirit of Cyrus king of Persia, that he made a proclamation throughout all his kingdom, and put it also in writing, saying,

2 Thus saith Cyrus king of Persia, The Lord God of heaven hath given me all the kingdoms of the earth; and he hath charged me to build him an house at Jerusalem, which is in Judah.

3 Who is there among you of all his people? his God be with him, and let him go up to Jerusalem, which is in Judah, and build the house of the Lord God of Israel, (he is the God,) which is in Jerusalem.

4 And whosoever remaineth in any place where he sojourneth, let the men of his place help him with silver, and with gold, and with goods, and with beasts, beside the freewill offering for the house of God that is in Jerusalem.

Do you mean rebuild for the third time? The decree of Cyrus built all the cities of those returning Hebrews, including Jerusalem. The Temple was just one aspect of the book of Ezra, not the only aspect.

What was built and not built is totally irrelevant. What is relevant is when was the decree to rebuild Jerusalem.

You are implying Jerusalem was destroyed again in the reign of Artaxerxes, by the command of Artaxerxes. Thus implying Artaxerxes changed his mind and told them to rebuild after tearing down the city.

No. I am not implying that Jerusalem was destroyed again in the reign of Artaxerxes. This is something that you are making up because you can't admit the fact that Cyrus did not decree the rebuilding of Jerusalem. When you find the decree that shows that Cyrus decreed the rebuilding of Jerusalem feel free to post it.

 

[covenantee]

This is something that you are making up because you can't admit the fact that Cyrus did not decree the rebuilding of Jerusalem. When you find the decree that shows that Cyrus decreed the rebuilding of Jerusalem feel free to post it.

So Isaiah, and the Holy Spirit who inspired him, got it wrong.

Imagine that.


Isaiah 44
28 That saith of Cyrus, He is my shepherd, and shall perform all my pleasure: even saying to Jerusalem, Thou shalt be built; and to the temple, Thy foundation shall be laid.

Isaiah 45
1 Thus saith the Lord to his anointed, to Cyrus, whose right hand I have holden, to subdue nations before him; and I will loose the loins of kings, to open before him the two leaved gates; and the gates shall not be shut;
13 I have raised him up in righteousness, and I will direct all his ways: he shall build my city, and he shall let go my captives, not for price nor reward, saith the Lord of hosts.

 

[The Light]

So Isaiah, and the Holy Spirit who inspired him, got it wrong.

Imagine that.


Isaiah 44
28 That saith of Cyrus, He is my shepherd, and shall perform all my pleasure: even saying to Jerusalem, Thou shalt be built; and to the temple, Thy foundation shall be laid.

Isaiah 45
1 Thus saith the Lord to his anointed, to Cyrus, whose right hand I have holden, to subdue nations before him; and I will loose the loins of kings, to open before him the two leaved gates; and the gates shall not be shut;
13 I have raised him up in righteousness, and I will direct all his ways: he shall build my city, and he shall let go my captives, not for price nor reward, saith the Lord of hosts.

Well, I guess this makes Chris wrong.

Or the facts are Cyrus was building the city of Jerusalem. I certainly don't doubt that. But since there is no evidence of a decree to build Jerusalem made by Cyrus that would make the prophecy in Daniel 9 completely useless.

 

[covenantee]

Well, I guess this makes Chris wrong.

Or the facts are Cyrus was building the city of Jerusalem. I certainly don't doubt that. But since there is no evidence of a decree to build Jerusalem made by Cyrus that would make the prophecy in Daniel 9 completely useless.

God's declaration through Isaiah is evidence enough for me.

 

[The Light]

My bad. Thank you.

No hay problema.

I did. On the opening post, using a normal calendar.

Of course. And that would be your error.

There is no “Biblical year” of 360 days. To better understand the examples you’ve given, please read chapter 3 of the Atonement Clock.

I read chapter 3 and it no way changed what the Lord says in the Word. The waters of the flood were on the earth 150 days which we are told is 5 months. The woman, Israel, flees to her place of protection for a time, times and half a time. That is 3 and a half years which we are told is 1260 days. We have other examples such as 42 months being 1260 days etc. etc. etc. Regarding the Lords prophetic time clock the use of 30 day months in prophecy is consistent.

The source of these calculations are from Sir Robert Anderson, The Coming Prince, published 1895. There are serious flaws in Andersons theories which have damaged modern eschatology.

The source of these calculations is the Word of God, as the word consistently uses 360 day years and 30 day months. That is how we arrive at the exact day when Jesus comes as Messiah on March 27th of AD 33.

 

[The Light]

God's declaration through Isaiah is evidence enough for me.

Which is why you are without understanding.

 

[The Light]

444 is based on the accepted Calendar. You have to change the date to your 360 day/year Calendar. A year is still a year.

If you say 444 is viewed as 365.25 days, then you have to use those days, which would be 483×365.25=176,416 days. Then turn that same time into 360 day years giving you 490 years. So you need to add 7 years, and change 444 to 451 your date instead. Then you can explain why your date is 7 years different than 444.

The prophecy was not for 476 years 7 years shorter. It was for 483 years no matter how many days in a year.

Your math is assuming 444 is based on a 360 day year. How do you know it is not?

451 to 33 is still your 483 years, no?

The Word says that 3 and half years is 1260 days. Imagine that. How can that be?

 

[covenantee]

Which is why you are without understanding.

I understand God's declaration through Isaiah.

You don't.

 

[covenantee]

No hay problema.

Of course. And that would be your error.

I read chapter 3 and it no way changed what the Lord says in the Word. The waters of the flood were on the earth 150 days which we are told is 5 months. The woman, Israel, flees to her place of protection for a time, times and half a time. That is 3 and a half years which we are told is 1260 days. We have other examples such as 42 months being 1260 days etc. etc. etc. Regarding the Lords prophetic time clock the use of 30 day months in prophecy is consistent.


The source of these calculations is the Word of God, as the word consistently uses 360 day years and 30 day months. That is how we arrive at the exact day when Jesus comes as Messiah on March 27th of AD 33.

The Hebrew calendar has never heard of a 360 day year.

It is a figment of modernist dispensational delusionism.

 

[Christian Gedge]

I read chapter 3 and it no way changed what the Lord says in the Word. The waters of the flood were on the earth 150 days which we are told is 5 months. The woman, Israel, flees to her place of protection for a time, times and half a time. That is 3 and a half years which we are told is 1260 days. We have other examples such as 42 months being 1260 days etc. etc. etc. Regarding the Lords prophetic time clock the use of 30 day months in prophecy is consistent.

A 'time, times and half a time and 1260 days are related but not exactly the same. I'll start a new thread when I get a chance. Thanks for reading chapter 3.

 

[The Light]

A 'time, times and half a time and 1260 days are related but not exactly the same. I'll start a new thread when I get a chance. Thanks for reading chapter 3.

It's pretty tough material in that chapter, but I wanted to read it as thoroughly as possible to make sure I didn't miss anything. Well done on your book.

 

[The Light]

The Hebrew calendar has never heard of a 360 day year.

It is a figment of modernist dispensational delusionism.

LOL. What does God's prophetic Calander use?