Daniels 70-Weeks Timeline

[covenantee]

Again. Not the truth. Just something that you have made up. The decree of Cyrus was about the House of God, not about the city of Jerusalem.

Isaiah 44
28 That saith of Cyrus, He is my shepherd, and shall perform all my pleasure: even saying to Jerusalem, Thou shalt be built; and to the temple, Thy foundation shall be laid.


Was Isaiah wrong?

 

[The Light]

Isaiah 44
28 That saith of Cyrus, He is my shepherd, and shall perform all my pleasure: even saying to Jerusalem, Thou shalt be built; and to the temple, Thy foundation shall be laid.


Was Isaiah wrong?

Of course not. Was Jerusalem built? And yet you seem to be having a problem producing the commandment to rebuild Jerusalem. There is one, if you seek the truth. However, that truth like so many other truths is going disprove your doctrine. So your choice, truth or doctrine. Which do you seek?

 

[Christian Gedge]

OK, simple, cut and dried, exact date. Answer the following two questions. (Simply, briefly please)

No we can't. We don't care if they are building the city. WE CARE WHEN THE COMMANDMENT TO BUILD THE CITY IS GIVEN. Simple, cut and dried, exact date.

What was the EXACT date the command was given?

Jesus rides a donkey into Jerusalem as Messiah at the end of the 69th week.

What was the EXACT date Jesus rode into Jerusalem?

Thanks

 

[covenantee]

Of course not. Was Jerusalem built? And yet you seem to be having a problem producing the commandment to rebuild Jerusalem. There is one, if you seek the truth. However, that truth like so many other truths is going disprove your doctrine. So your choice, truth or doctrine. Which do you seek?

Since you're the oracle of all truth, why don't you quote it?

Book, chapter, verse.

 

[Timtofly]

Well, you got the building part right. Just wondering if it will ever occur to you that we don't care about the building, we only care about the decree. Can you find anything about Cyrus proclaiming that Jerusalem will be rebuilt. No. If so, just post it. But you won't be able to because Cyrus never decreed the rebuilding of Jerusalem.

The reason people struggle with understanding the Word of God is because they just won't accept what the Word of God says.

And which verse exactly states Artaxerxes did not reverse his own decision to stop building Jerusalem? You think Artaxerxes stopped his own decree to rebuild the city? Ezra 4:21

"Give ye now commandment to cause these men to cease, and that this city be not builded, until another commandment shall be given from me."

So your proof is a decree to stop building and restoring Jerusalem?

Are you saying that Daniel 9:25 should actually say to not restore and build?

Nehemiah 2:7-8

"Moreover I said unto the king, If it please the king, let letters be given me to the governors beyond the river, that they may convey me over till I come into Judah; And a letter unto Asaph the keeper of the king's forest, that he may give me timber to make beams for the gates of the palace which appertained to the house, and for the wall of the city, and for the house that I shall enter into. And the king granted me, according to the good hand of my God upon me."

Nothing here about building Jerusalem, but to have timber to finish a house and the wall.

How is there a palace, if you claim nothing existed at all in Jerusalem? That this was the very first decree? It was Artaxerxes who decreed the work to stop. Nehemiah convinced him to to allow the work to start back up again.

 

[Spiritual Israelite]

You insulted the period of the reign of Jesus. As if it were some mistake. Like other periods, it is no mistake. Can you connect the dots now?

This is hopeless. You are unable to communicate clearly and you don't back up your posts with scripture. I'm done wasting my time on you.

 

[Spiritual Israelite]

Sorry to disappoint LaPal.

You don't need to be a jerk to me. I'm trying to have a discussion with you here. Can you talk to me like an adult?

Jesus rides a donkey into Jerusalem as Messiah at the end of the 69th week. He is cutoff after the 69th week so your thesis is incorrect as usual. I don't need to do anything to fit the text to my doctrine as the text and Word of God is my doctrine.

It seemed like you were saying He was cut off at the end of the 69th week. Again, no need to be a jerk here. So, you acknowledge that He is cut off after the 69th week. Okay. But, how are you concluding that He rode into Jerusalem on a donkey at the end of the 69th week? I believe Daniel 9:25 is talking about when He first started His ministry after He was baptized by John and was announced by John to be "the Lamb of God, which taketh away the sin of the world" (John 1:29).

 

[dad]

This is hopeless. You are unable to communicate clearly and you don't back up your posts with scripture. I'm done wasting my time on you.

Hallelujah

 

[The Light]

OK, simple, cut and dried, exact date. Answer the following two questions. (Simply, briefly please)


What was the EXACT date the command was given?

March 5, 444 BC

What was the EXACT date Jesus rode into Jerusalem?

Thanks

March 27, AD 33

Simple. Cut and dried.

 

[The Light]

Since you're the oracle of all truth, why don't you quote it?

Book, chapter, verse.

Since it appears you are the oracle of not seeking the truth, I'm not sure why you would need it, but none the less.... Nehemiah 2:1-9.

 

[The Light]

You don't need to be a jerk to me. I'm trying to have a discussion with you here. Can you talk to me like an adult?

Hi Spiritual Israelite. Sure I can talk to you like an adult. My response to you was based on the accusation that I have changed the text to fit my doctrine. I'm not sure why you find the need to make this false statement as I have changed nothing. I have no clue where you come up with this. but here is your quote.
"It says AFTER the 69th week, the Messiah would be cut off, not at the end of the 69th week. You are changing the text to fit your doctrine. It does not say how long AFTER the 69th week ends that He would be cut off."

It seemed like you were saying He was cut off at the end of the 69th week. Again, no need to be a jerk here. So, you acknowledge that He is cut off after the 69th week.

Yes, Jesus is cut off after the 69th week

Okay. But, how are you concluding that He rode into Jerusalem on a donkey at the end of the 69th week? I believe Daniel 9:25 is talking about when He first started His ministry after He was baptized by John and was announced by John to be "the Lamb of God, which taketh away the sin of the world" (John 1:29).

Jesus was fulfilling the Zechariah prophecy. He comes to Jerusalem and then is cut off.

Zechariah 9
9 Rejoice greatly, O daughter of Zion; shout, O daughter of Jerusalem: behold, thy King cometh unto thee: he is just, and having salvation; lowly, and riding upon an ass, and upon a colt the foal of an ass.

Matthew 21
21 And when they drew nigh unto Jerusalem, and were come to Bethphage, unto the mount of Olives, then sent Jesus two disciples,

2 Saying unto them, Go into the village over against you, and straightway ye shall find an ass tied, and a colt with her: loose them, and bring them unto me.

3 And if any man say ought unto you, ye shall say, The Lord hath need of them; and straightway he will send them.

4 All this was done, that it might be fulfilled which was spoken by the prophet, saying,

5 Tell ye the daughter of Sion, Behold, thy King cometh unto thee, meek, and sitting upon an ass, and a colt the foal of an ass.

6 And the disciples went, and did as Jesus commanded them,

7 And brought the ass, and the colt, and put on them their clothes, and they set him thereon.

8 And a very great multitude spread their garments in the way; others cut down branches from the trees, and strawed them in the way.

9 And the multitudes that went before, and that followed, cried, saying, Hosanna to the son of David: Blessed is he that cometh in the name of the Lord; Hosanna in the highest.

 

[The Light]

And which verse exactly states Artaxerxes did not reverse his own decision to stop building Jerusalem? You think Artaxerxes stopped his own decree to rebuild the city? Ezra 4:21

"Give ye now commandment to cause these men to cease, and that this city be not builded, until another commandment shall be given from me."

So your proof is a decree to stop building and restoring Jerusalem?

Are you saying that Daniel 9:25 should actually say to not restore and build?

No, I'm saying that there is a decree to stop building until another decree is given to build.

Nothing here about building Jerusalem, but to have timber to finish a house and the wall.
Nehemiah 2:7-8

"Moreover I said unto the king, If it please the king, let letters be given me to the governors beyond the river, that they may convey me over till I come into Judah; And a letter unto Asaph the keeper of the king's forest, that he may give me timber to make beams for the gates of the palace which appertained to the house, and for the wall of the city, and for the house that I shall enter into. And the king granted me, according to the good hand of my God upon me."

Nehemiah 2
5 And I said unto the king, If it please the king, and if thy servant have found favour in thy sight, that thou wouldest send me unto Judah, unto the city of my fathers' sepulchres, that I may build it.

6 And the king said unto me, (the queen also sitting by him,) For how long shall thy journey be? and when wilt thou return? So it pleased the king to send me; and I set him a time.

How is there a palace, if you claim nothing existed at all in Jerusalem?

Please feel free to find this imaginary quote of mine that you are referring to. I never said any such thing. I said that Jerusalem could be 99.999999999999 % or so complete and that meant nothing. We are looking for the date of the decree to build Jerusalem.

That this was the very first decree? It was Artaxerxes who decreed the work to stop. Nehemiah convinced him to to allow the work to start back up again.

Exactly. Well you got that right.

 

[jeffweeder]

Yes, Jesus is cut off after the 69th week

Very good.
Seeing as Messiah arrives after the 7 and the 62 weeks to actually accomplish something, this would put his cut off point into the 70th week.

25 So you are to know and discern that from the issuing of a decree to restore and rebuild Jerusalem until Messiah the Prince there will be seven weeks and sixty-two weeks

 

[Keraz]

It says AFTER the 69th week, the Messiah would be cut off, not at the end of the 69th week. You are changing the text to fit your doctrine. It does not say how long AFTER the 69th week ends that He would be cut off.

This interpretation does not hold water and is only made to support a false agenda.
When the 69th 'week' was completed, right at the point of completion; Jesus was Crucified.

The Seventieth week of 7 years will be completed at the point of Jesus' Return.
Making Jesus death fit anytime after the 69th week is over, is wrong and totally conflicts with Revelation.

 

[The Light]

Very good.
Seeing as Messiah arrives after the 7 and the 62 weeks to actually accomplish something, this would put his cut off point into the 70th week.

25 So you are to know and discern that from the issuing of a decree to restore and rebuild Jerusalem until Messiah the Prince there will be seven weeks and sixty-two weeks

Uhhhhhh. No. Messiah arrives exactly ON the prophesied day.

Daniel 9
26 And after threescore and two weeks shall Messiah be cut off, but not for himself: and the people of the prince that shall come shall destroy the city and the sanctuary; and the end thereof shall be with a flood, and unto the end of the war desolations are determined.

AFTER threescore and two weeks Messiah is cut off. And it happened exactly as prophesied. You can play any kind of word games that you want, but we have the prophecy, and we have the fulfillment.

 

[covenantee]

Since it appears you are the oracle of not seeking the truth, I'm not sure why you would need it, but none the less.... Nehemiah 2:1-9.

Where do the words "decree" or "command(ment)" appear in the passage?

Are you an oracle of delusion?

 

[jeffweeder]

Uhhhhhh. No. Messiah arrives exactly ON the prophesied day.

Messiah arrives AFTER 69 weeks. The scripture is right there to be believed.


25 So you are to know and discern that from the issuing of a decree to restore and rebuild Jerusalem until Messiah the Prince there will be seven weeks and sixty-two weeks.


Time for you to stop ignoring this verse and explain it.

As to the exact day of his revealing, this was something revealed only to his forerunner John the Baptist.

Jn 1
29 The next day he saw Jesus coming to him and said, “Look! The Lamb of God who takes away the sin of the world! 30 This is He on behalf of whom I said, ‘After me comes a Man who has a higher rank than I and has priority over me, for He existed before me.’

31 I did not recognize Him [as the Messiah]; but I came baptizing in water so that He would be [publicly] revealed to Israel.” 32 John gave [further] evidence [testifying officially for the record, with validity and relevance], saying, “I have seen the Spirit descending as a dove out of heaven, and He remained upon Him. 33 I did not recognize Him [as the Messiah], but He who sent me to baptize in water said to me, ‘He upon whom you see the Spirit descend and remain, this One is He who baptizes with the Holy Spirit.’ 34 I myself have [actually] seen [that happen], and my testimony is that this is the Son of God!”

 

[Timtofly]

March 5, 444 BC

March 27, AD 33

Simple. Cut and dried.

Is that 477 years or 478 years?

What happened to 490 or 483 years? You are off by 5 or 6 years, no?

Please feel free to find this imaginary quote of mine that you are referring to. I never said any such thing. I said that Jerusalem could be 99.999999999999 % or so complete and that meant nothing. We are looking for the date of the decree to build Jerusalem.

It certainly was not given by Artaxerxes then. Artaxerxes gave Nehemiah a letter for timber, not stones to build a city and a wall that had already been built by the decree of Cyrus.

Obviously "nothing" means something to you as you make the smallest percentage out to be the whole point.

 

[Christian Gedge]

What was the EXACT date the command was given?

What was the EXACT date Jesus rode into Jerusalem?

March 5, 444 BC

March 27, AD 33

Simple. Cut and dried.

OK, lets now do some simple arithmetic. You say that the 69 weeks were from March 5, 444 BC to March AD 33. (Calculators out) That's 476 years. Yes?

But 69 weeks is 69*7= 483 years. In other words the 69 weeks should finish AD 39 when we count from 444 BC ??? Problem is Jesus was sitting on the right hand of God in AD 39, and Pontius Pilate was just a dot in a history book.

So, tell us The Light, How do you make your dates add up to 69 weeks?

 

[The Light]

OK, lets now do some simple arithmetic. You say that the 69 weeks were from March 5, 444 BC to March AD 33. (Calculators out) That's 476 years. Yes?

Obviously. :cool:

But 69 weeks is 69*7= 483 years. In other words the 69 weeks should finish AD 39 when we count from 444 BC ??? Problem is Jesus was sitting on the right hand of God in AD 39, and Pontius Pilate was just a dot in a history book.

No. I believe that you are in error. If we counted from 444 BC 483 years, we would arrive at AD 40 not AD 39. Better check your math.

So, tell us The Light, How do you make your dates add up to 69 weeks?

Are you expecting me to believe that you don't know how 476 years was concluded? I'm not buying any of that. You know exactly how I arrived at those numbers. What is confusing is how you think you could possibly arrive at the date of the Messiahs prophesied coming if you don't convert prophesied Biblical years to Calander years.

For any that don't know, a Biblical year is 360 days instead of 365.25 days. There are many examples in the Word. Here is one example.

Revelation 12
14 And to the woman were given two wings of a great eagle, that she might fly into the wilderness, into her place, where she is nourished for a time, and times, and half a time, from the face of the serpent.

Revelation 12
6 And the woman fled into the wilderness, where she hath a place prepared of God, that they should feed her there a thousand two hundred and threescore days.

The woman, Israel, is in the wilderness in her place of protection for a time, times and half a time. That is 3 and half years. Then we see she is fed for a thousand two hundred and three score days. This is 1,260 days.

Conclusion: three and a half years equals 1,260 days, Biblically. Whereas, if you are talking Calander years instead of Biblical years, that would be a little over 1278 days.

So God talks in 360-day years and there are 365.25 days in a Calander year. When we are looking for an exact date, we can't arrive at the proper answer unless we convert Biblical years to Calander years.

Therefore 483 Biblical years is 173,880 days (483 X 360 = 173,880) Take those days and divide by 365.25. (173,880/365.25) = 476 Years and 21 days.