Daniel Chapter 8 - the 2300 evenings and mornings prophecy

[TrevorHL]

Greetings again CTK,

The 4th kingdom beast is pagan Rome - the kingdom that was in place when the Messiah arrived. After the cross AND after the 10 horns came out of pagan Rome, the little horn would not arrive for another 400 years.

The Little Horn of Daniel 8 is different to the Little Horn of Daniel 7. The Little Horn of Daniel 7 is the Papacy, while the Little Horn of Daniel 8 is the Eastern Roman Pagan Empire and this Little Horn crucified Jesus and destroyed the Temple in AD 70.
Daniel 8:9–14 (KJV): 9 And out of one of them came forth a little horn, which waxed exceeding great, toward the south, and toward the east, and toward the pleasant land. 10 And it waxed great, even to the host of heaven; and it cast down some of the host and of the stars to the ground, and stamped upon them. 11 Yea, he magnified himself even to the prince of the host, and by him the daily sacrifice was taken away, and the place of his sanctuary was cast down. 12 And an host was given him against the daily sacrifice by reason of transgression, and it cast down the truth to the ground; and it practised, and prospered. 13 Then I heard one saint speaking, and another saint said unto that certain saint which spake, How long shall be the vision concerning the daily sacrifice, and the transgression of desolation, to give both the sanctuary and the host to be trodden under foot? 14 And he said unto me, Unto two thousand and three hundred days; then shall the sanctuary be cleansed.

God is going to have us focus on ONLY those kingdoms within this chapter that He has given "horns" to.

You have attempted to establish a rule in order to interpret Daniel 8. That rule is erroneous, as is your interpretation based on that rule.

It was God who had given the power to the 4 notable ones (4 generals). They are not ever recognized as "horns" in this chapter.

Daniel 8:8 (KJV): Therefore the he goat waxed very great: and when he was strong, the great horn was broken; and for it came up four notable ones toward the four winds of heaven.

I take "came up" as the growth of four notable horns which replaced the one large horn. Most modern translations accept "four horns":

Daniel 8:8 (ESV): Then the goat became exceedingly great, but when he was strong, the great horn was broken, and instead of it there came up four conspicuous horns toward the four winds of heaven.

Daniel 8:8 (NASB 95): Then the male goat magnified himself exceedingly. But as soon as he was mighty, the large horn was broken; and in its place there came up four conspicuous horns toward the four winds of heaven.

Daniel 8:8 (NIV84): The goat became very great, but at the height of his power his large horn was broken off, and in its place four prominent horns grew up toward the four winds of heaven.

Daniel 8:8 (NET): The male goat acted even more arrogantly. But no sooner had the large horn become strong than it was broken, and there arose four conspicuous horns in its place, extending toward the four winds of the sky.

God is not required, and indeed does not follow what we have recorded in our history books.

You seem to have invented your own "history". One prophecy book which also includes some history that I have found interesting is:
"The Past History and Future Destiny of Israel, as Unfolded in the Eighth and Succeeding Chapters of the Book of Daniel" Robert Wodrow and John Gordon Lorimer 1844, 240 pages. I have a print copy, but it should be available electronically.

This gives a great amount of detail of how the Pagan Roman Empire first gained a foothold in Asia Minor, and then over a number of years grew in influence and power in the region. For example I have a bookmark in pages 39--40. This explains the gradual growth of the Little Horn of Daniel 8.

Kind regards
Trevor

 

[Jay Ross]

What calls for one to change the unit of measurement that has been given to us? I don’t understand.

{Started at 6:00am Nepali Time}
What calls for people to change the usual practice of a day representing a year with respect to Daniels Prophecies, i.e. Daniel 9:24-27, and then insist that in Daniel 8, that this prophecy of the trampling of God's sanctuary and His earthly Hosts only be representing literal days.

In the Daniel 8:8-26 we have this prophecy which spans from the time of Alexandra the Great until many days into the future, nominally during the latter days which I understand are these present days.

Daniel 8:8-26: - 8 Therefore the male goat grew very great; but when he became strong, the large horn was broken, and in place of it four notable ones came up toward the four winds of heaven. 9 And out of one of them came a little horn which grew exceedingly great toward the south, toward the east, and toward the Glorious {Land}. [1] 10 And it grew up to the host of heaven; and it cast down some of the host and some of the stars to the ground and trampled them. 11 He even exalted himself as high as the Prince of the host; and by him the daily sacrifices were taken away, and the place of His sanctuary was cast down. 12 Because of transgression, an army was given over to the horn to oppose the daily sacrifices; and he cast truth down to the ground. He did all this and prospered.​

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13 Then I heard a holy one speaking; and another holy one said to that certain one who was speaking, "How long will the vision be, concerning the daily sacrifices and the transgression of desolation, the giving of both the sanctuary and the host to be trampled underfoot?"​

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14 And he said to me, "For two thousand three hundred days; then the sanctuary shall be cleansed."​

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Gabriel Interprets the Vision​

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15 Then it happened, when I, Daniel, had seen the vision and was seeking the meaning, that suddenly there stood before me one having the appearance of a man. 16 And I heard a man's voice between the banks of the Ulai, who called, and said, "Gabriel, make this man understand the vision." 17 So he came near where I stood, and when he came I was afraid and fell on my face; but he said to me, "Understand, son of man, that the vision refers to the time of the end."​

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18 Now, as he was speaking with me, I was in a deep sleep with my face to the ground; but he touched me and stood me upright. 19 And he said, "Look, I am making known to you what shall happen in the latter time of the indignation; for at the appointed time the end shall be. 20 The ram which you saw, having the two horns — they are the kings of Media and Persia. 21 And the male goat is the kingdom[2] of Greece. The large horn that is between its eyes is the first king. 22 As for the broken horn and the four that stood up in its place, four kingdoms shall arise out of that nation, but not with its power. ​

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23 "And in the latter time of their kingdom,​

When the transgressors have reached their fullness,​

A king shall arise,​

Having fierce features,​

Who understands sinister schemes. ​

24 His power shall be mighty, but not by his own power;​

He shall destroy fearfully,​

And shall prosper and thrive;​

He shall destroy the mighty, and also the holy people. ​

25 "Through his cunning​

He shall cause deceit to prosper under his rule; ​

And he shall exalt himself in his heart.​

He shall destroy many in their prosperity.​

He shall even rise against the Prince of princes;​

But he shall be broken without human means.​

26 "And the vision of the evenings and mornings​

Which was told is true;​

Therefore, seal up the vision,​

For it refers to many days in the future."​

So, the question that needs to be answered by those who believe that this prophecy only has a time span of just 2,300 days, is this: -

When did the trampling of God's earthly Hosts end, because the evidence of these present times suggests and confirms that the Gentiles' trampling of God's earthly Hosts is still ongoing during these present times.​

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I would suggest to you that the trampling of God's Sanctuary and His Earthly Hosts began around the time 250 BC and still, by my estimation, has another 20 or so years to run.​

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The end of the Gentiles trampling of God's Sanctuary and His Earthly Hosts will be the assembling of the Kings of the earth at a place called Armageddon to be judged for their part in being instruments of the Little Horn to fulfil the Prophecy of His trampling of God's Sanctuary and His Earthly Hosts.​

{stopped writing shortly afterwards to Go to the funeral of a Nepali friend I have interacted with over the past 28 years who had died in the early hours of the morning. Picking up writing once more at 3:10 pm.}

Jesus in Luke 21:20-24 was speaking of the events that would be shortly occurring after His death: -

Luke 21:20-24: - The Destruction of Jerusalem

(Matt 24:15-28; Mark 13:14-23)​

20 "But when you see Jerusalem surrounded by armies, then know that its desolation is near. 21 Then let those who are in Judea flee to the mountains, let those who are in the midst of her depart, and let not those who are in the country enter her. 22 For these are the days of vengeance, that all things which are written may be fulfilled. 23 But woe to those who are pregnant and to those who are nursing babies in those days! For there will be great distress in the land and wrath upon this people. 24 And they will fall by the edge of the sword and be led away captive into all nations. And Jerusalem will be trampled by Gentiles until the times of the Gentiles are fulfilled.

If the Daniel 8 Little Horn Prophecy occurred around 160 BC, then why was Christ also telling those around Him that the time of the Gentiles would continue until such time as the Time of the Gentiles was fulfilled.

It is my understanding that the time of the Gentiles will be fulfilled in around 20 years from now at the time of the change over from the sixth age to the seventh age. It is also my understanding that the Historical record also confirms this POV.

Shalom

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[1] This is an addition to the English text that does not appear in the Hebrew text. However, the meaning of the Hebrew word “haṣ·ṣe·ḇî” could be in reference to a “place of prominence,” that has a leading role in the history of mankind and his relationship with God.
[2] Perhaps, what is being expressed with the Greek word, “ מֶ֣לֶךְ ”, me·leḵ, is the dominion of the first king of Greece, which was an empire.

 

[Jay Ross]

I will hold to the AD 1967 date. There could be other starting and finishing times, but I consider the start in BC 334-333 is the most significant. Jeremiah's prophecy of 70 years had two fulfillments.

Alexandra the Great died, according to Dr Google, in 323 BC and there were a number of wars between Alexandra's generals to sort out how Alexandra's Empire would be divided up between his generals.

In Daniel 8:8 we are told this: -

Daniel 8:8: - 8 Therefore the male goat grew very great; but when he became strong, the large horn was broken, and in place of it four notable ones came up toward the four winds of heaven.​

It is my view that the four winds of Heaven are the Beasts of Daniel 7:1-12 and the four winds of heaven were able to influence the four divided empires to demonstrate the dominate characteristic of each of the four winds of heaven/beasts.

It is after the establishment of the four empires, that we read that the Little came out of one of the four horns to begin trampling God's sanctuary and His earthly hosts. We read of this in Daniel 8:9: -

Daniel 8:9: - And out of one of them came a little horn which grew exceedingly great toward the south, toward the east, and toward the Glorious {Land}.​

As such, we assume that a number of years passed between when Alexandra the great died and the Little horn emerged out of one of the horns. If we assume that possibly 50 years had passed, then the Little Horn appeared upon the earth around the year 273 BC. This date is some 60 or so years later than the date you suggested. which means that the taking of the Temple mount in 1967 is not associated with the beginning of the activities of the Little Horn.

As we read on, we see these events taking place

Daniel 8:11-12: - 11 He even exalted himself as high as the Prince of the host; and by him the daily sacrifices were taken away, and the place of His sanctuary was cast down. 12 Because of transgression, {of the Israelis and their idolatrous worship}, an army was given over to the horn to oppose the daily sacrifices; and he cast truth down to the ground. He did all this and prospered.​

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The Little Horn's activity of trampling God's earth Hosts, i.e. Israel, I believe began around the year 250 BC and does not end until around 2044 AD, when the judgement prophecy in Isaiah 24:21-22 takes place and the heavenly hosts and the kings of the earth are judged and imprisoned for many years to await the time of their punishment.

I do not read about this in the Scripture.

The story of Israel attempting to rebuild the Temple and their subsequent redemption is told in a parables in Luke 14:28-33.

My impression of the Futurist concept is that they they believe most of the events of the Book of Revelation occur at the return of Jesus at the beginning of the 1000 years. Your view could be unique in that you believe that most of the events happen at the end of the 1000 years. I am Pre-millennial and accept the Continuous Historic Interpretation of Daniel and the Book of Revelation.

I do not hold to the theory of Ussher that an Age is only 1,000 years long which was the basis of his constructed chronology of the Old Testament.

I believe that Ussher's brother-in-law constructed a much more accurate chronology of the Old Testament where, from my observation of when he believed that Adam was created, that he believed that an age has a duration of 1,024 years, which means that my reference to the little while period after the Bottomless Pit was unlocked after the passing of 1,000 years, confirms for me that the Little while period must be around 24 years in duration.

I trust that the above helps.

Shalom

 

[CTK]

Greetings again CTK,

The Little Horn of Daniel 8 is different to the Little Horn of Daniel 7. The Little Horn of Daniel 7 is the Papacy, while the Little Horn of Daniel 8 is the Eastern Roman Pagan Empire and this Little Horn crucified Jesus and destroyed the Temple in AD 70.
Daniel 8:9–14 (KJV): 9 And out of one of them came forth a little horn, which waxed exceeding great, toward the south, and toward the east, and toward the pleasant land. 10 And it waxed great, even to the host of heaven; and it cast down some of the host and of the stars to the ground, and stamped upon them. 11 Yea, he magnified himself even to the prince of the host, and by him the daily sacrifice was taken away, and the place of his sanctuary was cast down. 12 And an host was given him against the daily sacrifice by reason of transgression, and it cast down the truth to the ground; and it practised, and prospered. 13 Then I heard one saint speaking, and another saint said unto that certain saint which spake, How long shall be the vision concerning the daily sacrifice, and the transgression of desolation, to give both the sanctuary and the host to be trodden under foot? 14 And he said unto me, Unto two thousand and three hundred days; then shall the sanctuary be cleansed.

You have attempted to establish a rule in order to interpret Daniel 8. That rule is erroneous, as is your interpretation based on that rule.

Daniel 8:8 (KJV): Therefore the he goat waxed very great: and when he was strong, the great horn was broken; and for it came up four notable ones toward the four winds of heaven.

I take "came up" as the growth of four notable horns which replaced the one large horn. Most modern translations accept "four horns":

Daniel 8:8 (ESV): Then the goat became exceedingly great, but when he was strong, the great horn was broken, and instead of it there came up four conspicuous horns toward the four winds of heaven.

Daniel 8:8 (NASB 95): Then the male goat magnified himself exceedingly. But as soon as he was mighty, the large horn was broken; and in its place there came up four conspicuous horns toward the four winds of heaven.

Daniel 8:8 (NIV84): The goat became very great, but at the height of his power his large horn was broken off, and in its place four prominent horns grew up toward the four winds of heaven.

Daniel 8:8 (NET): The male goat acted even more arrogantly. But no sooner had the large horn become strong than it was broken, and there arose four conspicuous horns in its place, extending toward the four winds of the sky.

You seem to have invented your own "history". One prophecy book which also includes some history that I have found interesting is:
"The Past History and Future Destiny of Israel, as Unfolded in the Eighth and Succeeding Chapters of the Book of Daniel" Robert Wodrow and John Gordon Lorimer 1844, 240 pages. I have a print copy, but it should be available electronically.

This gives a great amount of detail of how the Pagan Roman Empire first gained a foothold in Asia Minor, and then over a number of years grew in influence and power in the region. For example I have a bookmark in pages 39--40. This explains the gradual growth of the Little Horn of Daniel 8.

Kind regards
Trevor

Very well. Take care.

 

[CTK]

{Started at 6:00am Nepali Time}
What calls for people to change the usual practice of a day representing a year with respect to Daniels Prophecies, i.e. Daniel 9:24-27, and then insist that in Daniel 8, that this prophecy of the trampling of God's sanctuary and His earthly Hosts only be representing literal days.

In the Daniel 8:8-26 we have this prophecy which spans from the time of Alexandra the Great until many days into the future, nominally during the latter days which I understand are these present days.

Daniel 8:8-26: - 8 Therefore the male goat grew very great; but when he became strong, the large horn was broken, and in place of it four notable ones came up toward the four winds of heaven. 9 And out of one of them came a little horn which grew exceedingly great toward the south, toward the east, and toward the Glorious {Land}. [1] 10 And it grew up to the host of heaven; and it cast down some of the host and some of the stars to the ground and trampled them. 11 He even exalted himself as high as the Prince of the host; and by him the daily sacrifices were taken away, and the place of His sanctuary was cast down. 12 Because of transgression, an army was given over to the horn to oppose the daily sacrifices; and he cast truth down to the ground. He did all this and prospered.​

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13 Then I heard a holy one speaking; and another holy one said to that certain one who was speaking, "How long will the vision be, concerning the daily sacrifices and the transgression of desolation, the giving of both the sanctuary and the host to be trampled underfoot?"​

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14 And he said to me, "For two thousand three hundred days; then the sanctuary shall be cleansed."​

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Gabriel Interprets the Vision​

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15 Then it happened, when I, Daniel, had seen the vision and was seeking the meaning, that suddenly there stood before me one having the appearance of a man. 16 And I heard a man's voice between the banks of the Ulai, who called, and said, "Gabriel, make this man understand the vision." 17 So he came near where I stood, and when he came I was afraid and fell on my face; but he said to me, "Understand, son of man, that the vision refers to the time of the end."​

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18 Now, as he was speaking with me, I was in a deep sleep with my face to the ground; but he touched me and stood me upright. 19 And he said, "Look, I am making known to you what shall happen in the latter time of the indignation; for at the appointed time the end shall be. 20 The ram which you saw, having the two horns — they are the kings of Media and Persia. 21 And the male goat is the kingdom[2] of Greece. The large horn that is between its eyes is the first king. 22 As for the broken horn and the four that stood up in its place, four kingdoms shall arise out of that nation, but not with its power. ​

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23 "And in the latter time of their kingdom,​

When the transgressors have reached their fullness,​

A king shall arise,​

Having fierce features,​

Who understands sinister schemes. ​

24 His power shall be mighty, but not by his own power;​

He shall destroy fearfully,​

And shall prosper and thrive;​

He shall destroy the mighty, and also the holy people. ​

25 "Through his cunning​

He shall cause deceit to prosper under his rule; ​

And he shall exalt himself in his heart.​

He shall destroy many in their prosperity.​

He shall even rise against the Prince of princes;​

But he shall be broken without human means.​

26 "And the vision of the evenings and mornings​

Which was told is true;​

Therefore, seal up the vision,​

For it refers to many days in the future."​

So, the question that needs to be answered by those who believe that this prophecy only has a time span of just 2,300 days, is this: -

When did the trampling of God's earthly Hosts end, because the evidence of these present times suggests and confirms that the Gentiles' trampling of God's earthly Hosts is still ongoing during these present times.​

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I would suggest to you that the trampling of God's Sanctuary and His Earthly Hosts began around the time 250 BC and still, by my estimation, has another 20 or so years to run.​

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The end of the Gentiles trampling of God's Sanctuary and His Earthly Hosts will be the assembling of the Kings of the earth at a place called Armageddon to be judged for their part in being instruments of the Little Horn to fulfil the Prophecy of His trampling of God's Sanctuary and His Earthly Hosts.​

{stopped writing shortly afterwards to Go to the funeral of a Nepali friend I have interacted with over the past 28 years who had died in the early hours of the morning. Picking up writing once more at 3:10 pm.}

Jesus in Luke 21:20-24 was speaking of the events that would be shortly occurring after His death: -

Luke 21:20-24: - The Destruction of Jerusalem

(Matt 24:15-28; Mark 13:14-23)​

20 "But when you see Jerusalem surrounded by armies, then know that its desolation is near. 21 Then let those who are in Judea flee to the mountains, let those who are in the midst of her depart, and let not those who are in the country enter her. 22 For these are the days of vengeance, that all things which are written may be fulfilled. 23 But woe to those who are pregnant and to those who are nursing babies in those days! For there will be great distress in the land and wrath upon this people. 24 And they will fall by the edge of the sword and be led away captive into all nations. And Jerusalem will be trampled by Gentiles until the times of the Gentiles are fulfilled.

If the Daniel 8 Little Horn Prophecy occurred around 160 BC, then why was Christ also telling those around Him that the time of the Gentiles would continue until such time as the Time of the Gentiles was fulfilled.

It is my understanding that the time of the Gentiles will be fulfilled in around 20 years from now at the time of the change over from the sixth age to the seventh age. It is also my understanding that the Historical record also confirms this POV.

Shalom

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[1] This is an addition to the English text that does not appear in the Hebrew text. However, the meaning of the Hebrew word “haṣ·ṣe·ḇî” could be in reference to a “place of prominence,” that has a leading role in the history of mankind and his relationship with God.
[2] Perhaps, what is being expressed with the Greek word, “ מֶ֣לֶךְ ”, me·leḵ, is the dominion of the first king of Greece, which was an empire.

Thank you.

 

[TrevorHL]

Greetings again Jay Ross,

If we assume that possibly 50 years had passed, then the Little Horn appeared upon the earth around the year 273 BC. This date is some 60 or so years later than the date you suggested. which means that the taking of the Temple mount in 1967 is not associated with the beginning of the activities of the Little Horn.

The date that I have given is the transfer from the Medo-Persian Ram to the Grecian Goat in BC 334-333. The difference between the Persians and the Grecians is that the Persians were sympathetic with the religion of the Jews, encouraged their return from Babylon, and gave support to their rebuilding of the Temple and its worship. The advent of the Grecians introduced an era when the Greeks were at times antagonistic to the Jews, the Temple and their worship, including Antiochus Epiphanes. The Romans also were to some extent antagonistic at different times, culminating in the destruction of the Temple in AD 70. Thus the 2300 down treading covers both the Grecian and the Roman periods, starting in BC 334-333. Luke 21:24 is significant for the period after AD 70. AD 1967 is interesting as it seems to match the rapidity and ferocity and persistence of the Grecian conquest by Alexander.

Kind regards
Trevor

 

[Jay Ross]

Greetings again Jay Ross,

The date that I have given is the transfer from the Medo-Persian Ram to the Grecian Goat in BC 334-333. The difference between the Persians and the Grecians is that the Persians were sympathetic with the religion of the Jews, encouraged their return from Babylon, and gave support to their rebuilding of the Temple and its worship. The advent of the Grecians introduced an era when the Greeks were at times antagonistic to the Jews, the Temple and their worship, including Antiochus Epiphanes. The Romans also were to some extent antagonistic at different times, culminating in the destruction of the Temple in AD 70. Thus the 2300 down treading covers both the Grecian and the Roman periods, starting in BC 334-333. Luke 21:24 is significant for the period after AD 70. AD 1967 is interesting as it seems to match the rapidity and ferocity and persistence of the Grecian conquest by Alexander.

Kind regards
Trevor

Well, if what you are saying is correct, then the trampling of the Israelites around the world would not still be occurring. If the trampling of God's earthly hosts has not stopped and is continuing still, then your nominated end point for the Daniel 8 prophecy of the trampling of God's earthly hosts of 1967 AD does not match the reality that is seen around the world concerning the Israelites. Islamists want to rid the world of Israelites, and their efforts have been ramping up over the last 60 plus years.

I somehow think that the logic of this theory fails.

Shalom

 

[TrevorHL]

Greetings again Jay Ross,

Well, if what you are saying is correct, then the trampling of the Israelites around the world would not still be occurring.

The "treading under foot" is a military term. The taking of Jerusalem is a major necessary first step towards the events leading up to the establishment of the Kingdom.
Joel 3:1–2 (KJV): 1 For, behold, in those days, and in that time, when I shall bring again the captivity of Judah (1948) and Jerusalem (1967), 2 I will also gather all nations, and will bring them down into the valley of Jehoshaphat, and will plead with them there for my people and for my heritage Israel, whom they have scattered among the nations, and parted my land.

Kind regards
Trevor

 

[Douggg]

Thus the 2300 down treading covers both the Grecian and the Roman periods, starting in BC 334-333. Luke 21:24 is significant for the period after AD 70. AD 1967 is interesting as it seems to match the rapidity and ferocity and persistence of the Grecian conquest by Alexander.

Of the 2300 days of the Daniel 8 time the end prophecy, 42 months of it will be the treading down.

Revelation 11:2 But the court which is without the temple leave out, and measure it not; for it is given unto the Gentiles: and the holy city shall they tread under foot forty and two months.

 

[TrevorHL]

Greetings Douggg,

Of the 2300 days of the Daniel 8 time the end prophecy, 42 months of it will be the treading down.

Your chart appears to be a Futurist only view. I understand that the time periods of Daniel are based upon the day for a year principle, and the prophecies of Daniel and Revelation reveal the Continuous Historic interpretation. You have posted your chart on a number of occasions, but I reject your view. For example your chart denies my understanding of Daniel 7:25 and Daniel 8:14. Thank you for your involvement.

Kind regards
Trevor

 

[covenantee]

Greetings Douggg,

Your chart appears to be a Futurist only view. I understand that the time periods of Daniel are based upon the day for a year principle, and the prophecies of Daniel and Revelation reveal the Continuous Historic interpretation. You have posted your chart on a number of occasions, but I reject your view. For example your chart denies my understanding of Daniel 7:25 and Daniel 8:14. Thank you for your involvement.

Kind regards
Trevor

You understand what the Reformers understood.

They're excellent company.

Thank God for the Reformation.

 

[Douggg]

Greetings Douggg,

Your chart appears to be a Futurist only view. I understand that the time periods of Daniel are based upon the day for a year principle, and the prophecies of Daniel and Revelation reveal the Continuous Historic interpretation. You have posted your chart on a number of occasions, but I reject your view. For example your chart denies my understanding of Daniel 7:25 and Daniel 8:14. Thank you for your involvement.

Kind regards
Trevor

Yes, I am futurist in the sense that those time of the end timeframes given the bible are still unfulfilled.

Please produce a Continuous Historic interpretation chart of your own, or one that represents your view, that shows the events and timeframes listed on my chart in relation to each other.

 

[Douggg]

Greetings Douggg,

Your chart appears to be a Futurist only view. I understand that the time periods of Daniel are based upon the day for a year principle, and the prophecies of Daniel and Revelation reveal the Continuous Historic interpretation. You have posted your chart on a number of occasions, but I reject your view. For example your chart denies my understanding of Daniel 7:25 and Daniel 8:14. Thank you for your involvement.

Kind regards
Trevor

The little horn person of Daniel 8:25 will be broken when he attempts to stand up against the Prince of princes.

When did that happen in the 2300 day for a year Continuous Historic interpretation ?

 

[TrevorHL]

Greetings again Douggg,

Yes, I am futurist in the sense that those time of the end timeframes given the bible are still unfulfilled.
Please produce a Continuous Historic interpretation chart of your own, or one that represents your view, that shows the events and timeframes listed on my chart in relation to each other.

That's fine, but I support the Continuous Historic view. This thread is mainly about the 2300, and I did also mention what I consider to be the 1260 year period(s) of Daniel 7. I would be hard pressed to give my opinion of ALL the time periods that you mention, though in general, expositors in my fellowship have more or less agreed to reasonable explanations for each one in line with the Continuous Historic view. I am still struggling with the important time periods of Daniel 12, though I have a tentative assessment which I will not share at this time. It seems very easy to lump all these unique prophecies in the future, and as such they have had no benefit to the faithful over the centuries.

The little horn person of Daniel 8:25 will be broken when he attempts to stand up against the Prince of princes.

Yes, that is still future and I line this up in parallel with Daniel 11:40-45.

When did that happen in the 2300 day for a year Continuous Historic interpretation ?

I consider the main fulfillment of the 2300 years was in AD 1967, but Daniel 8:26 and Daniel 11:40-45 are still future. There may be additional starting/finishing dates, similar to the two fulfillments of Jeremiah's 70 year prophecy.

Kind regards
Trevor

 

[Douggg]

though in general, expositors in my fellowship have more or less agreed to reasonable explanations for each one in line with the Continuous Historic view

Who do the expositors in your fellowship say will be the Antichrist ?

The are two studies that go hand-n-hand to know what is coming before the 1967 parable of the fig tree generation passes away.

1. the (5) stages the time of the end person goes through on his way to be broken by the Prince of princes, Jesus.
2. the end times time frames given in the bible that those (5) stages take place.


The five stages are in blue....



The time frames are on this chart....

 

[TrevorHL]

Greetings again Douggg,

Who do the expositors in your fellowship say will be the Antichrist ?

The Papacy, and it is a continuation of the Little Horn of Daniel 7 which is different to the Little Horn of Daniel 8. As such I totally disagree with your "five stages" chart.

Kind regards
Trevor

 

[Douggg]

Greetings again Douggg,

The Papacy, and it is a continuation of the Little Horn of Daniel 7 which is different to the Little Horn of Daniel 8. As such I totally disagree with your "five stages" chart.

Kind regards
Trevor

Okay, I can understand why you disagree with my five stages chart - because the Papacy would not fit. Nor would the Papacy fit the end times time frames in the bible.