If that christian lady had never mentioned it to me....as a new believer, I would have never known. She was very brave and I was very thankful to her.
Cussing issues- what is and what is not?
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Well I don't think I said that personal sanctification had made me look down on others? People still cussed around me after dealing with that issue in my life however, it was painful to my ears because it had been removed from me. It had changed the way I heard it but that did not mean I rejected my friends who still talked that way. As a matter of fact, the changes in me became so obvious and pronounced that they also stopped cussing and eventually all my friends became cuss free lol!
What I hate is just the hypocracy, and Yahavah, I am sure doesn't like us to be that way... Therefore, there are other things which you ignored in my mentions and that is okay. I do not expect you to really get it, or maybe you do... Thank you for your answer, @Angelina.
Your friends may not just cuss around you... or family members... cause you never know what people end up doing by themselves... Typically how you present yourself the follow of the conversation is going to be one way rather than with a friend maybe, or whatever etc...
That is why Faith is important, and while you go through your process, it still is the faith which pleases God. Not how clean one may be, but that may in the end grant a great reward... which we shouldn't neglect to mention for sure.
Brother I'm not sure why you want to continue to be right in something that has to do with my personal walk with God. Of course faith has to do with being sanctified but whether you agree with my testimony or not it was still to do with sanctification. Not another persons walk with God but mine. Why would God be angry with me when I am actually being lead by the Holy Spirit in that process? I had not rejected anyone in my walk? as a matter of fact, I lead 14 of my young friends to salvation during that time. I didn't make them follow me, they just decided that they wanted what I had and they followed. Isn't this what God wants us to be like? a light in the darkness? salt? why are you having issues with this brother? Your posts are off topic...
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god is found everywhere.. god is all. truth (god) is everywhere for the initiate that can decode it
if you take just a piece of paper from the bible and you study the structure of the cellulose molecules, you will see that god is in all of it, the perfect geometry of all these little structures- coincidentially? even the paper of the bible contains god, even before anything was written or printed on it- god was there. god is so much everywhere that its blinding us the point that we cant see the forest because its all covered up by trees
yes i know what you mean by uncomfortable hearing other people cuss, maybe it will take an amount of years for my brain to re-wire my vocabulary. i was working at one place where i had 2 coworkers and they would constantly "accidentally" give praise to the devil
sorry i cut the message, its long- ive read it all and im going to attempt this- however, there arent much believers around- i could attempt to speak to my priest to assist me in this, we have by coincidence a very old priest taking over for our current priest as he has to watch his newborn for a few months.
i know for a fact i have spirits bound to my blood as my mother practiced and still practice some grade of witchcraft- her being a fake christian is what initially many years ago turned me away from christianity
can you PM me the "laundry list" of sins perhaps? i have looked through such lists many times and theres very few that actually relate to my life
i think it would help if i can find the exact name of these demons- one time i had some spirits entering my mind and inciting me to violence, i asked for their name and immediatedly they stopped, as if they got caught and exposed- they didnt want to identify themselves but instead fled from my mind. it is said once you have the name of the demon, you have it on a leash - satanists refer to it as in this stage you can command and use the demon, but a christian can use it to cast it out as well, and command it to leave their body. any idea how i can find the exact name of this evil spirit?
Words as such have no regards unless it's an ill intent against another for no valid reason.
If such is for no valid reason, like in just cussing freely like an idiot does for nothing that is retarded or possessed ?
A religious mate does a cussing mummble mutterings to himself a lot, but if he uses a cuss word to others, he lookes upward and says sorry lord every time ?
He thinks it's the words that are offencive to God ? but it's not the words that God regards offencive, but the action or intent that are displayed that are the issue ? for that is the Sin.
Hitler never used bad language words ? but was happey to kill people with no regard !
I know plenty of people that i have come across that never used bad language at all ! but they were the worst people i have ever met, because they intentionly totaly treated people badly, not on the face of it or to another but the intentions were evil to do wrong by others in fact ! like cause troubles for them or not pay them for the job or such games.
I have know people who used bad language 24/7 on the job site in the main but also out and about, but they are truly nice people who have no intention of doing anyone harm. They just have a bad job that most would never do in fact. they are just irritated because the job is a total pain !
A mate box head came to my place once and we were talking down stairs and my little brother 7yo came down to listen to what we were saying and when box head left, little brother came up to me and said that he was so suprised, that this bloke used cuss words, like every 2ed word was a cuss word ! baby brother was totaly amazed by that ability !
Old Box head he is a nice bloke truly and he does not talk to many people out working on the land. not even married and worth like 200 million dollars now. but as tight with money as they come !
Two wrongs never made a right.
People see the OUTSIDE of persons.
The OUTSIDE of a Christian should reflect the things he believes about his religion.
It's wrong to misrepresent Jesus and what He taught.
Jesus said it's not what goes into the mouth that makes a man defiled, but what comes out of a mouth.
Matthew 15:15-20
15Peter said to Him, “Explain the parable to us.”
16Jesus said, “Are you still lacking in understanding also?
17“Do you not understand that everything that goes into the mouth passes into the stomach, and is eliminated?
18“But the things that proceed out of the mouth come from the heart, and those defile the man.
19“For out of the heart come evil thoughts, murders, adulteries, fornications, thefts, false witness, slanders.
20“These are the things which defile the man; but to eat with unwashed hands does not defile the man.”
I think that if we want to label ourselves a Christian then we have the responsibility to act like one.
i agree, but at the same time the bible commands us to not speak filthy words.
"Let no corrupt word proceed out of your mouth, but what is good for necessary edification, that it may impart grace to the hearers. […] Let all bitterness, wrath, anger, clamor, and evil speaking be put away from you, with all malice."
again, this is where im unsure, because no doubt, keeping anger inside of you will not go well and by my experience, and what ive seen throughout my entire life the most toxic and evil people are those who contain their anger- so expressing and letting out the pressure is better, but is it a sin, is it not harmful to keep dangerous energies within you until it erupts and people get damaged for life? i have hurt myself and people around me, violated my own body out of anger because i didnt have a healthy outlet- so which sin is worse, violating gods temple or cussing?
thats the question im asking, truth is the foundation of worshipping god, and the truth i see is that keeping anger inside will only give it potential for real damage
Once i did not know the gravity of people saying words, that are not right regarding God ? like Jesus beeping Christ, for one ? as i heard this day in day out in working places for years !
So i said to people, in the right moment of time to do so, Hey do you know what you are truly saying with using Gods name invain ? They do not know in fact, that that is truly what it is ! They do not mean it in that way however !
But i did not use such in that regard anymore, because it's not only stupid but wrong to do so ! if you know what you are saying ! like Oh boy that is really bad ! because it does injury to God ? it's a rejection or a lack of regard.
I am not angered by such, because they know not what they are saying. but if they do know what they are saying then i am offended by them. saying Hey, you know better than that ! because i am in fear for them being wayward ?
But as to words they mean nothing really, but it's the intention that counts ! Like talking to my in Laws of late, the topic of saying Sorry came up. Isad it means nothing to say Sorry at all ! but such is the intent that is the issue in fact, like did they just say Sorry just for the hell of it ? or are they genuine Sorry ! That's the real deal in fact ! they have truly repented in fact or have they not ?
Like lets say before the beak, the Judge will take such in consideration when sentance is handed down.
Or a Government like Australia says Sorry for things done in the past to Aboriginals, like the Socialist did, but fact is it was a truly empty Sorry in fact. It was a total Joke, typical of Socialist ! it had no true foundations at all in fact. But the majority of people swallowed the outright deception ! for they are so shallow and can not see past their own nose and will go along with such a fickel but dish out demands like a Hitler that are based on Lies and deceptions !
It's the Socialist who are the word police, they muddy the waters on words, and play their own spin on what others say, with total deception as the game play ? we see this everyday played out in the Media, it's an Art form or deception in fact ! people go to uni for years to learn such game play with words, so as to become a PRO Public Relations Officer or a Leader of Government, you will have to pass the grads to get to be one in fact or you will not get the job in fact ! one has to Lie ! and be good at it ! They will not use foul words at all in fact, for that would not do when one is Selling a product !
So are we Selling ourselves if we play the Word Police, over all others ? and looking down on them for words only ? when their intent is not bad at all ! but i know many who would never say words that are bad language but are totaly corrupted evil intent to do wrong to another, they will clearly rip you off ! destroy peoples livelyhoods and not to mention get away with it all easy as and they are looked up to by most people or the majority are so shallow that they do not understand the real issue in fact !
So one said X is a ( ) banned word, but it is a fact and totaly true ! well that who said that word is Sacked on the spot and is never to work again, they will loose their home and everything Peroid !
That's the world today ! Totaly like it was in Nazis Germany days in fact ! but the people are to stupid to understand that they just let a totaly Nazi like act have power domance over the people in fact ! and they do not care ! just like the Nazis did not care in fact ! they maybe different type of culture but of the same brand of Pox ?
Why do such not careless ? because they feel offended ! The Nazis were or must of been offended by the Jews, so they just closed their eyes to it all ! For they do not want to see it ? but what is the real problem is they have no regard to deal with such openly ! not to mention under Socialism you are not alowed the freedom to air such issues that are Taboo, such freedom of speech is forbiden !
I am saying that it's the intent that is the Issue, that is number one, not the word that convicts one.
God sees your heart ! not your words and that's a fact !
Or how about this, Their is a record of howmany times you used such a word and it is this that condems you ?
Remember the Devil himself, when talking to Jesus ? did the Devil use foul words ? or foul intentions ! but also offered the whole world ! how impressive is the workings of the Devil ? he can come across as a really nice bloke. That a Word Nazi would never pick up on in fact !
But to act like one ? does that cut it ? I think not at all in fact !
I hate people who act or two faced people i dispize !
What is, Is ! We all have our weaknesses ?
I do not look at people as Golden in regards their acting the part. and ones weaknesses can be their strength, if they are truly open regarding such, but not bragging of such at all ! for they are set on working issues out and such can take time, for they have not learned the key points as to why, they are as they are ?
But a two faced snob is not willing to of learning, but only covering such things up. and they can not grow ! so they will suffer for such down the track, for they are a curse.
I go and see people who other mates of mine, would have nothing to do with them.
Ok they do have their faults ? but i have found them very nice to me and they love me and want me to come see them, they live 5hr away tho and say when are you coming up all the time. I feel that i have made a diffrence for them, as my mates children are at an age that he needed help ! and he and his wife has said how greatful he is to me for taking the time with them. and his kids are on track now.
This is also for @Zeth4500 - I just read a post of his and my reply is practically the same.
I don't know what you mean by the above.
What do you mean BUT TO ACT LIKE ONE?
Are we speaking about Christians here or persons that are MAKING BELIEVE to be Christian?
I thought we were speaking about Christians.
Christians are not supposed to "act" as an actor, as in make believe, that they are Christian.
They're supposed to "act" as Christians in the sense that they are supposed to BEHAVE as a Christian.
If not,,,then what separates us from the world??
Does having a weakness excuse us from behaving Christianly?
What if I have a weakness for stealing?
Is it OK for me to steal?
What does James 4:7 mean?
Submit yourselves therefore to God. Resist the devil, and he will flee from you.
Does Ephesians 6:10 mean anything?
Finally, be strong in the Lord and in the strength of his might.
We're not supposed to "act the part".
God means for a real change to take place IN THE HEART.
Jesus said our actions come from the heart...
if not, then yes, we are only making believe to be Christian.
Romans 12:2
Do not be conformed to this world, but be transformed by the renewal of your mind,
Do we agree on:
Ephesians 4:22-24
To put off your old self, which belongs to your former manner of life and is corrupt through deceitful desires, and to be renewed in the spirit of your minds, and to put on the new self, created after the likeness of God in true righteousness and holiness.
I would hope that someone is teaching this new Christian the ways of God.
(if he is unable to glean it from scripture).
This makes me believe that you know what I'm speaking of.
And I praise God that you are able to do this and be a good example of God's love.
Wrangler
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One of the most common misconceptions is that cussing is a violation of the commandment prohibiting taking the LORD's name (YHWH) in vain. It is not.
Cussing is a (vulgar) literary exclamatory technique above and beyond a mere exclamation point.
Take the trash out.
Take the trash out!
Take the <expletive> trash out!
Curse words are rarely used not in conjunction with an exclamation point.
By contrast, the purpose of the commandment prohibiting taking the Lord's name (YHWH) in vain is a prohibition against perjury. "Do you swear to tell the truth, the whole truth and nothing but the truth, so help you God?"
Being a false witness undermines justice, which is based on truth. Sure, a lie is a statement against truth but it is not an act against justice in a civil or criminal proceeding. This difference is why these are listed separately in what 6 things God hates. Have you ever thought about that?
Proverbs 6:16-19
New International Version
16 There are six things the YHWH hates,
seven that are detestable to him:
17 haughty eyes,
a lying tongue,
hands that shed innocent blood,
18 a heart that devises wicked schemes,
feet that are quick to rush into evil,
19 a false witness who pours out lies
and a person who stirs up conflict in the community.
In fact, the 10 Commandments that deal with human interaction are all about civil code of conduct:
- Honor your father and your mother.
- You shall not murder.
- You shall not commit adultery.
- You shall not steal.
- You shall not bear false witness against your neighbor.
- You shall not covet.
"christians" i used to call them, today i came across this brilliant term "churchians"
and those, who dont even bother to attend church- SUBchurchians!
i know, we shouldnt judge. but. i became an atheist because of these subchurchians that gave christianity an awful image- what did a small child know? i believe christians who dont rebuke other christians wrongs, even the churchians wrongs- are equally guilty, probably worried they will expose their hypocrisy- at which, we should readily accept - i always take joy in atheists trying to point fingers at my character, it shows me my flaws. just like a tech company hiring hackers to try to find a weakness in their system, they pay huge money for that because its the best way to improve!
i get your point, but i also believe that god will dislike certain words, just like god will dislike certain acts- you could be a flaming homosexual- but with good intent! would god appreciate? we all know thats a nope
its a difficult topic.
I agree with you.
@Reggie Belafonte says that God sees the heart.
Not our words.
BUT
Where do our words come from?
WHY
Does our heart have nasty words in it.....
Matthew 15:15-19
15Peter said to Him, “Explain the parable to us.”
16Jesus said, “Are you still lacking in understanding also?
17“Do you not understand that everything that goes into the mouth passes into the stomach, and is eliminated?
18“But the things that proceed out of the mouth come from the heart, and those defile the man.
19“For out of the heart come evil thoughts, murders, adulteries, fornications, thefts, false witness, slanders.
Well, actually we should judge.
How else would Matthew 18 make any sense?
We should be careful, however, HOW we bring some matter or other to the attention of the other Christian.
One of my friends was gossiping about another woman we both know and, maybe from my look, she just stopped and asked if I was thinking this gossipping was not too good. I just told her, I don't think so, and she stopped. She never did this again.
Matthew 18:15....
15“If your brother sins, go and show him his fault in private; if he listens to you, you have won your brother.
16“But if he does not listen to you, take one or two more with you, so that BY THE MOUTH OF TWO OR THREE WITNESSES EVERY FACT MAY BE CONFIRMED.
17“If he refuses to listen to them, tell it to the church; and if he refuses to listen even to the church, let him be to you as a Gentile and a tax collector.
Wrangler
Well-Known Member
Not to worry. While having fellow believers around to give support is a luxury that we sometimes are unable to afford, self-deliverance can be just as effective.
This is my opinion based on my experience with a deliverance ministry. You will not be welcomed by "priests" and pastors, in general, of the denominational churches. They are too invested in their enterpri$e and don't want anything coming between their business and the collection plate. If by any chance there was to be a genuine move of the Holy Spirit, they would race to attempt to appropriate it for filthy lucre's sake or otherwise smother it altogether. I realize this is a strong critique of today's so-called churches, but it is nonetheless true.
IOW, seeking to bring in a "priest" is a declension, a step down, if you will, from moving in the authority/power of the One True God. Let this be an encouragement to you, because as a believer, a child of God, you possess all you need to get set free. You have been fearfully and wonderfully made, created in God's image. You don't "need" any priest or any other man to validate your faith. You are beholden to no man.
Well, there it is! So again, do you want to be set free? You're already ahead of the game in that you acknowledge at least one of the demonic open doors i.e. you mom's witchcraft.
If I had a dime for every time I've heard that...
The specific nature of the sin is not relevant. What's relevant is that they are indeed sins. And any one of those sins will bar you from heaven if left unattended.
No, that is a rabbit hole, a diversion from the action you need to take. Just look at our example, Jesus Christ, and how he handled unclean spirits. We are not to engage in conversations with these extremely intelligent and wicked creations. Remain firmly on the Rock and utilize your authority in Christ. Demons can get incredibly creative when they know that you know your authority. So stay focused on the King and do not let yourself get sidetracked or distracted. This is foreign for nearly everyone reading this because they've been conditioned to trust the good pastor/priest. That's a load of rubbish, people. The Lord spoke against the Nicolaitans. Place your trust where it belongs i.e. on the KING OF KINGS, and watch mountains move.
They paused only because they were waiting for what they thought might be coming next, e.g. they feared a genuine believer calling on the name of the Lord who would claim the blood of the King as the only and complete weapon that would trash them. And when the blood does not follow, the demons resume their wicked game.
Watch out! That's a lie from the pit. Satanists cannot Lawfully command ANYTHING, but their master Satan has them believing they can. When that clown is done with his stooges, he will kill them just the same, because that's just what he does. Satan gives his minions incredible wealth and dominion and power - for a season... (the same lie that Satan offered to Jesus in the desert).
Again, it's not about using a demon's name. It's about calling it out for what it does, so that you can more easily differentiate between which demon causes what damage. Every demon has an assignment. If you don't call it out by what damage it is causing you, a "senior" demon will often throw a "lesser" demon under the bus, making you think you got a victory but in fact you got a big nothing burger.
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Plenty of even Priest have been child molesters ! So they do put on a face in fact ! plenty church goers are two faced dogs as well who clearly have no regards Christ Jesus in fact !
They work so as to drive people away from wanting to be going to Church in fact.
Such spend their time as a carnal religious moron, for they know not the Holy Spirit in fact, same with Priest who are the same dogs. for they are just religious period ! if that ! more like Socialist Nazis with Political Correct views that they demand to dominate the Church with.
So it just becomes a Socialist meeting Hall. That no one wants to talk about Christ Jesus the Holy Spirit, but that of mans works nonsense.
Because their gods are Socialism, that's what they are all about, thats the key to understanding them.
They are on a good works program that has nothing to do with the Holy Spirit in fact and i can see that there is where their at !
If one was to mention Jesus, they will turn away in fact ! for clearly they do not like that ! for it's all about a front a two fact front ! they claim that they are the Standard set ! to be looked up to and admired, for that's what they want to be seen as in fact ! they will never work so as to lift anyone up ! but only work to drag such people down ! they expect to be rewarded as well !
I have seen such time and time again.
Believing means nothing much, but knowing is the Key. when we start out as within the Christian walk, we do not know ! but we only have some faith ! but fact is one needs more faith to mature from a weed to a Tree ? so that the weeds of this world to not strangle one !
Look at all of the gutless Priest and Churches nowadays who do not promote Christ Jesus totaly as the Way ! for once you take Jesus out or as a side dish one is on the wrong Track, Period. Why well it's because such people do not possess Grace in fact, for Grace only comes from Christ Jesus.
I will talk to people who are looked down on regardless, for i have something that's worthy for them that will inspire them to strive for ! if they want to seek a better Life ? If they don't then i do not hound them.
The Toffs and such are not worth talking to because they are set in their ways. they are on their own path. and will not listen but only attack like a wild bore in fact ! If i said X is a Child molester ? you know what i get back, is only denial regardless in fact. Not Prove it ! or willingness to look into such ! so they clearly have no real true regards their Children ?
For the Devil is cast in the light much like that of a mirror image ? for the carnal Man is religious or not is inspired by such in fact.
Acting is just acting, it's false and a deception !
Just like you may see some one acting tuff ? it's all a Act ! they work to dominate over others, but what if reality kicks in one day and old mate gets called out on his bluf.
The Devil himself is all bluf ! he tryed this stance with Jesus and Jesus called out this Bluf in fact !
The Devil is all smoke and mirrors ! for he is only a deceptions and delusions in fact, he has no power at all in fact, but for they who swallow such nonsense in fact ! for they are weak ! and Lost !
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