Cussing issues- what is and what is not?

[Lambano]

A lot of times the words don't MEAN anything. They're just an emotional release.

Perhaps the point of the "Name-in-Vain" Commandment is that words that refer to God should ALWAYS mean something

 

[marks]

A lot of times the words don't MEAN anything. They're just an emotional release.

Perhaps the point of the "Name-in-Vain" Commandment is that words that refer to God should ALWAYS mean something

It is written . . . you shall not take the name of YHWH in vain (in an empty or meaningless manner), for YHWH will not hold him guiltless who takes His name in vain.

If you take the name of YHWH to yourself, but you don't mean it, you will still be guilty.

Do we call ourselves Christian? Is it real?

Much love!

 

[GodsGrace]

A lot of times the words don't MEAN anything. They're just an emotional release.

Perhaps the point of the "Name-in-Vain" Commandment is that words that refer to God should ALWAYS mean something

You're right.
Taking the name of God in vain means more than just misusing it.
It also means that we shouldn't say it for silly reasons.

This takes the taking of God's name in vain ONE STEP UP....
Because of this, all the more we shouldn't pronounce God's name unless its for honor or worship or just speaking to Him.

 

[Gottservant]

one thing i still struggle with is cussing, to the point it affects my fiancée and she has "learned" to cuss- oddly enough she seems better at dealing with her emotions since she just lets it all out nowadays rather than letting it cook (which confuses me why the bible advises to keep it in rather?)
anyhow- i struggle to have something to say as reaction to rid this energy that isnt a cussing word
and ive heard saying "jesus christ" is insulting to god as in context of something bad happening

what acceptable replacements for cussing words are there? seems like a very minimal vocabulary... and, is saying "christ" or "jesus christ" in replacement of cussing word insulting god?

Proverbs 27:5 says "open correction, is better than love concealed" this means 'it is better to swear and be corrected, than to keep silent and not know how to defend the truth'.

But you know not to swear in Jesus' Name, right? I personally say "strike!" when something takes me off-guard.

I'll pray for you, it is a difficult thing (the Holy Spirit help you!)

 

[MatthewG]

You don't ever go DOWN to a person's level...
you always bring him UP to yours.

You're supposed to be an example of what Jesus taught.
In any language, and with any name of God,,,you DO NOT take His name in vain...
WHATEVER that name is.

And you don't think exclaming JESUS CHRIST! is a combination of words that does not bother you?

Next time try exclaiming MUHAMMAD!!

Let's see how long that lasts.

Have you no respect for our Lord?

Are you even Christian - I didn't check.

All you are doing is expressing your opinion. What bothers you, may not bother other people... And "Yahavah" knowns those who are his, and those who are his known they are his.

 

[MatthewG]

So if we pray to the Father as Jesus instructed, are we not addressing YHWY? Don't you think it would be inappropriate to veinly use any name that refers to the God of Abraham Isaac and Jacob? Surely God hears us.

God surely desired his name to be known, many people rarely speak his name... addressing him as "God" is not really a name... neither is "Father" really a name - though even myself address YHVH as "Father." I still believe Yahavah, is God's name... and not just "God."

How people may "feel" about this, is totally a subjective "feeling" concerning just that one "word..." which doesn't really mean anything in my opinion at all...

Now are there are some people who have hatred and faith in "non-faith" concerning the matters of a "Father" or "God" and that is a matter of the heart.

 

[MatthewG]

A lot of times the words don't MEAN anything. They're just an emotional release.

Perhaps the point of the "Name-in-Vain" Commandment is that words that refer to God should ALWAYS mean something

I think it is just people being judgmental and harsh... Remember when Jesus said, that God's name was on the lips of the Pharisees but their heart was far from them... That even happens with religious people who say "you shouldn't never use cuss words!"

Emotional release is more of something that seems logical, and reasonable to go by. And no one at the end of the day can tell the matters of the heart except of the fruit thereof which is bare, but some hardcore WW2, veteran, who used all types of language and put people to death, but still believed in the "Yahavah" and just "trying to do what is right for what was signed up for," all things of a persons life are taken into consideration when you pass away from this life...

"Cussing" doesn't please Yahavah... "Faith" pleases "Yahavah." Faith is on trusting that God is there for you, and that you have the holy spirit dwelling in you, but also being raw, and not a face value fake "proclaimed" Christian, going to the soup Kitchen every third Friday, and church every Sunday, yet can not love their neighbor but only judge them. That is hypocrisy isn't it?

I have been involved right in that mess many times, maybe sometimes I still do judge people, and perhaps my trust isn't always fully towards "Yahavah" and those are the times where "chasement" and "Yahavahs" justice is meted out.

Of course that is my opinion. And very happy to express it openly despite a "concern" or people "believe this is just some license to sin." There is sin that doesn't lead to death, supposedly.

 

[Gottservant]

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Now are there are some people who have hatred and faith in "non-faith" concerning the matters of a "Father" or "God" and that is a matter of the heart.

I agree, but I would also add that if you cannot pronounce the name of God properly, you should make doing so your priority.

 

[Aunty Jane]

Either way....it's still not great to be so foul mouthed to be offensive to mixed company with small children.

And even worse when small children are on the receiving end of such abuse! They will use the words they hear at home….we have no way to the things we hear.

 

[MatthewG]

I agree, but I would also add that if you cannot pronounce the name of God properly, you should make doing so your priority.

Gott, is "God" in some language. "YHVH" is all there is in the bible. It's not something to die over, but "God" is most certainly not a name.

And even worse when small children are on the receiving end of such abuse! They will use the words they hear at home….we have no way to the things we hear.

Family matters of abuse in the homes happen all the time. From Mom and Dad, fighting to the children fighting amongst themselves. To bad it's unavoidable. Many people like to try to hide away from the truth of what is real... and training up children to have manners should be a priority. However, that is just not always the top of the priority list.

 

[Aunty Jane]

You're right.
Taking the name of God in vain means more than just misusing it.
It also means that we shouldn't say it for silly reasons.

This takes the taking of God's name in vain ONE STEP UP....
Because of this, all the more we shouldn't pronounce God's name unless its for honor or worship or just speaking to Him.

Apparently before the first century, men would make frivolous oaths “in God’s name” and then fail to honor them, using God’s sacred name in a worthless way, with no intention to fulfill it….bro hing reproach on it.

The Jewish leadership had the option of prosecuting the offenders, but if it was a widespread problem, perhaps avoiding uttering the name at all would solve the problem…..so at some point, they stopped using God’s name altogether. By the time Christ arrived, God’s name had been lost and only appeared in writing in their Scripture, replaced always with “Adonai” (Lord) when said aloud.
The term “Hasham” meant “the name” that could not be uttered. This was in complete contravention to God’s words to Moses at Exodus 3:13-15…

From the Jewish Tanakh…..

13 And Moses said to God, "Behold I come to the children of Israel, and I say to them, 'The God of your fathers has sent me to you,' and they say to me, 'What is His name?' what shall I say to them?"		יגוַיֹּ֨אמֶר משֶׁ֜ה אֶל־הָֽאֱלֹהִ֗ים הִנֵּ֨ה אָֽנֹכִ֣י בָא֘ אֶל־בְּנֵ֣י יִשְׂרָאֵל֒ וְאָֽמַרְתִּ֣י לָהֶ֔ם אֱלֹהֵ֥י אֲבֽוֹתֵיכֶ֖ם שְׁלָחַ֣נִי אֲלֵיכֶ֑ם וְאָֽמְרוּ־לִ֣י מַה־שְּׁמ֔וֹ מָ֥ה אֹמַ֖ר אֲלֵהֶֽם:
14 God said to Moses, "Ehyeh asher ehyeh (I will be what I will be)," and He said, "So shall you say to the children of Israel, 'Ehyeh (I will be) has sent me to you.'"		ידוַיֹּ֤אמֶר אֱלֹהִים֙ אֶל־משֶׁ֔ה אֶֽהְיֶ֖ה אֲשֶׁ֣ר אֶֽהְיֶ֑ה וַיֹּ֗אמֶר כֹּ֤ה תֹאמַר֙ לִבְנֵ֣י יִשְׂרָאֵ֔ל אֶֽהְיֶ֖ה שְׁלָחַ֥נִי אֲלֵיכֶֽם:
15 And God said further to Moses, "So shall you say to the children of Israel, 'The Lord God of your forefathers, the God of Abraham, the God of Isaac, and the God of Jacob, has sent me to you.' This is My name forever, and this is how I should be mentioned in every generation.”		טווַיֹּ֩אמֶר֩ ע֨וֹד אֱלֹהִ֜ים אֶל־משֶׁ֗ה כֹּ֣ה תֹאמַר֘ אֶל־בְּנֵ֣י יִשְׂרָאֵל֒ יְהֹוָ֞ה אֱלֹהֵ֣י אֲבֹֽתֵיכֶ֗ם אֱלֹהֵ֨י אַבְרָהָ֜ם אֱלֹהֵ֥י יִצְחָ֛ק וֵֽאלֹהֵ֥י יַֽעֲקֹ֖ב שְׁלָחַ֣נִי אֲלֵיכֶ֑ם זֶה־שְּׁמִ֣י לְעֹלָ֔ם וְזֶ֥ה זִכְרִ֖י לְדֹ֥ר דֹּֽר:

We can see God’s name in the Hebrew, but in the English translation, it is substituted with “The Lord God”.

How do you remember a God whose name you never use? What was the first thing Jesus mentioned in the Lord’s Prayer…? ”Hallowed be thy name”….it wasn’t “hallowed be thy title”.

 

[GodsGrace]

The word namely GD, is a common representative term for people to suggest a person has used the name of God in vain.

How can that be God's name, when God has a name "Yahavah." I get that people in all different cultures use languages in a certain manner. This one is something that doesn't bother me. Nor does "Jesus Christ!" said out loud bother me either. There is good and bad. You can't never cover up the bad, it is always going to become revealed in time.

Paul suggest "all things are lawful, but not all things edify or provide benefit." Sometimes a certain way a person talks, you may have to use a little bit of his language to speak with him.

WHAT are you talking about??
Any reference to GOD is a reference to GOD.

If someone refers to you as MatthewG isn't it the same as saying the son of ..................(your mother's name).

It's still YOU.

 

[GodsGrace]

All you are doing is expressing your opinion. What bothers you, may not bother other people... And "Yahavah" knowns those who are his, and those who are his known they are his.

Matthew, I'd like to say this in a really nice way but don't if I'll be able to....
You are a very unusual Christian - let's put it that way.

You call stating that God is to be honored AN OPINION of mine?

Have you read the bible?
Do you believe any of it?
Are you here just to bother real Christians that are trying to adhere to Christian values taught to them by Jesus and the OT and NT?

Do you even know what it means TO HONOR someone?
Why does the 4th commandment state that we are to HONOR our parents and why doesn't it use the word LOVE instead?

1 Samuel 2:30
Therefore the Lord, the God of Israel, declares: ‘I promised that your house and the house of your father should go in and out before me forever,’ but now the Lord declares: ‘Far be it from me, for those who honor me I will honor, and those who despise me shall be lightly esteemed.

Malachai 1:6
" A son honors his father,
And a servant his master.
If then I am the Father,
Where is My honor?
And if I am a Master,
Where is My reverence?
Says the LORD of hosts
To you priests who despise My name.
Yet you say, "In what way have we despised Your name?"

John 5:23
that all should honor the Son just as they honor the Father. He who does not honor the Son does not honor the Father who sent Him.

 

[GodsGrace]

Apparently before the first century, men would make frivolous oaths “in God’s name” and then fail to honor them, using God’s sacred name in a worthless way, with no intention to fulfill it….bro hing reproach on it.

The Jewish leadership had the option of prosecuting the offenders, but if it was a widespread problem, perhaps avoiding uttering the name at all would solve the problem…..so at some point, they stopped using God’s name altogether. By the time Christ arrived, God’s name had been lost and only appeared in writing in their Scripture, replaced always with “Adonai” (Lord) when said aloud.
The term “Hasham” meant “the name” that could not be uttered. This was in complete contravention to God’s words to Moses at Exodus 3:13-15…

From the Jewish Tanakh…..

13 And Moses said to God, "Behold I come to the children of Israel, and I say to them, 'The God of your fathers has sent me to you,' and they say to me, 'What is His name?' what shall I say to them?"		יגוַיֹּ֨אמֶר משֶׁ֜ה אֶל־הָֽאֱלֹהִ֗ים הִנֵּ֨ה אָֽנֹכִ֣י בָא֘ אֶל־בְּנֵ֣י יִשְׂרָאֵל֒ וְאָֽמַרְתִּ֣י לָהֶ֔ם אֱלֹהֵ֥י אֲבֽוֹתֵיכֶ֖ם שְׁלָחַ֣נִי אֲלֵיכֶ֑ם וְאָֽמְרוּ־לִ֣י מַה־שְּׁמ֔וֹ מָ֥ה אֹמַ֖ר אֲלֵהֶֽם:
14 God said to Moses, "Ehyeh asher ehyeh (I will be what I will be)," and He said, "So shall you say to the children of Israel, 'Ehyeh (I will be) has sent me to you.'"		ידוַיֹּ֤אמֶר אֱלֹהִים֙ אֶל־משֶׁ֔ה אֶֽהְיֶ֖ה אֲשֶׁ֣ר אֶֽהְיֶ֑ה וַיֹּ֗אמֶר כֹּ֤ה תֹאמַר֙ לִבְנֵ֣י יִשְׂרָאֵ֔ל אֶֽהְיֶ֖ה שְׁלָחַ֥נִי אֲלֵיכֶֽם:
15 And God said further to Moses, "So shall you say to the children of Israel, 'The Lord God of your forefathers, the God of Abraham, the God of Isaac, and the God of Jacob, has sent me to you.' This is My name forever, and this is how I should be mentioned in every generation.”		טווַיֹּ֩אמֶר֩ ע֨וֹד אֱלֹהִ֜ים אֶל־משֶׁ֗ה כֹּ֣ה תֹאמַר֘ אֶל־בְּנֵ֣י יִשְׂרָאֵל֒ יְהֹוָ֞ה אֱלֹהֵ֣י אֲבֹֽתֵיכֶ֗ם אֱלֹהֵ֨י אַבְרָהָ֜ם אֱלֹהֵ֥י יִצְחָ֛ק וֵֽאלֹהֵ֥י יַֽעֲקֹ֖ב שְׁלָחַ֣נִי אֲלֵיכֶ֑ם זֶה־שְּׁמִ֣י לְעֹלָ֔ם וְזֶ֥ה זִכְרִ֖י לְדֹ֥ר דֹּֽר:

We can see God’s name in the Hebrew, but in the English translation, it is substituted with “The Lord God”.

How do you remember a God whose name you never use? What was the first thing Jesus mentioned in the Lord’s Prayer…? ”Hallowed be thy name”….it wasn’t “hallowed be thy title”.

I agree.
Just want to say that whether it's the name or the title...it is still referring to the ONE GOD.

If there were more than one God then the NAME becomes important...
but since there is only one...however we refer to Him will all be the same.

God has many titles...
It would still be wrong to say ..........Jehovah Jhira, or ...........Addonai, etc.

 

[MatthewG]

@GodsGrace I am going to refute answering any of your questions. Thank you for sharing how you "feel" about "cuss" words. Also this is why I am glad no one has authority when it comes to using the bible in the first place. You read it and consider, and you please "God" by faithfulness... 1 Samuel 16:7 and Yahavah looks into the heart.

 

[GodsGrace]

@GodsGrace I am going to refute answering any of your questions. Thank you for sharing how you "feel" about "cuss" words. Also this is why I am glad no one has authority when it comes to using the bible in the first place. You read it and consider, and you please "God" by faithfulness...

You can refute me till the cows come home.

I posted scripture....
NOT HOW I FEEL.

As least be intellectually honest...
or, perhaps, you can't be because that would be admitting that I'm right...
YES, AND YOU ARE WRONG.

DO NOT TAKE THE NAME OF THE LORD OUR GOD IN VAIN.

GOD HAS authority over you.
Find out about it.

 

[MatthewG]

You can refute me as till the cows come home.

I posted scripture....
NOT HOW I FEEL.

As least be intellectually honest...
or, perhaps, you can't be because that would be admitting that I'm right...
YES, AND YOU ARE WRONG.

DO NOT TAKE THE NAME OF THE LORD OUR GOD IN VAIN.

GOD HAS authority over you.
Find out about it.

Posting scripture doesn't mean anything though. It was not written to you. Just because you posted some scripture doesn't mean you are laying down any authority and if Yahavah is my authority, he is more than just a "b" "o" "o" "k" because Yahavah is Spirit, and he give us his spirit to live by.

 

[GodsGrace]

Posting scripture doesn't mean anything though. It was not written to you. Just because you posted some scripture doesn't mean you are laying down any authority and if Yahavah is my authority, he is more than just a "b" "o" "o" "k" because Yahavah is Spirit, and he give us his spirit to live by.

HOW do you know ANYTHING ABOUT Yahavah?

Does He speak to you in your dreams?

So are we to pay attention to what YOU say
or what Yaweh states in HIS REVELATION
which is received through A BOOK
called THE BIBLE??

Did God misrepresent Himself in this bible we read?

You seem to not know God's rules.
Maybe He's not speaking the truth to you personally.

I mean, HOW MANY GODS ARE THERE?
One for YOU
One for ME

??

 

[MatthewG]

HOW do you know ANYTHING ABOUT Yahavah?

Does He speak to you in your dreams?

So are we to pay attention to what YOU say
or what Yaweh states in HIS REVELATION
which is received through A BOOK
called THE BIBLE??

Did God misrepresent Himself in this bible we read?

You seem to not know God's rules.
Maybe He's not speaking the truth to you personally.

I mean, HOW MANY GODS ARE THERE?
One for YOU
One for ME

??

Look at your existence, and look at the sun, moon and stars. He obviously loved enough to create. That is enough for me, he more than a "b" "o" "o" "k."

 

[GodsGrace]

Look at your existence, and look at the sun, moon and stars. He obviously loved enough to create. That is enough for me, he more than a "b" "o" "o" "k."

If God loved enough to create....
then why don't YOU love HIM enough to honor Him?