Christ's Resurrected Body

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The Watch Tower Society says that Christ's crucified body is still dead and its
remains are squirreled away somewhere on earth in a condition, and a
location, known only to God.

Opinion among traditional Christians vary. Some say Christ's crucified body
was restored to life normally; viz: in a manner consistent with the other
resurrections described in the Bible; while others say Christ's crucified body
came back to life as a so-called glorified body.

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[lforrest]

The first denies the resurrection.

Maybe Jesus always had a glorified body. it would explain the transfiguration and how he was able to slip away from mobs.

 

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The Watch Tower Society says that Christ's crucified body is still dead and its
remains are squirreled away somewhere on earth in a condition, and a
location, known only to God.

Were you to ask door-to-door Watchtower Society missionaries if they
believe that Jesus Christ rose from the dead, I can assure you they would
answer in the affirmative. However, what you may not know is that you and
they would not be on the same page as the conversation would be talking
about two very different processes that go by the same name. In other
words: you would find yourself thrown off by semantic double speak.

The traditional Christian understanding of Christ's resurrection is common
throughout the gospels; viz: Jesus Christ died as a physical human being
and he came back as a physical human being.

However; according to the Watch Tower Society; Christ didn't physically rise
from the dead at all; and here's why.

In Watch Tower Society theology, an angel named Michael volunteered to
come to the earth to die for humanity's sins. But in order to do so; he had to
relinquish his angel existence to become a human being seeing as how in
Society theology it is impossible for someone to exist as a spirit being and a
human being simultaneously. Thus when Michael's so-called "life force" was
transferred to flesh and given the name Jesus; he became not only a
different species of life, but a whole other person too.

Did the human Jesus really show himself alive by many positive proofs after
he had suffered? Not according to the Watch Tower Society. In their
theology, Michael the angel showed himself alive by means of a materialized
body that resembled the human Jesus in every way-- nail prints and spear
wound to boot. It was necessary to utilize an avatar because the human
Jesus had to stay dead in order for the angel Michael to regain his angel
existence.

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[Barrd]

And we are concerning ourselves with the Watchtower society because??

Haven't we known for some time that JWs are not Christians? They will tell you themselves that they are not Christians.

 

[StanJ]

And we are concerning ourselves with the Watchtower society because??

Haven't we known for some time that JWs are not Christians? They will tell you themselves that they are not Christians.

Weber is a one trick pony ....he posts but never engages, and his shtick is all about JWs.

 

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†. 1Cor 15:44 . . It is sown a natural body; it is raised a spiritual body.
There is a natural body, and there is a spiritual body.

Watch as I misquote that passage because the difference, though subtle. Is
significant.

"It is sown a natural body, it is raised up a spirit body. If there is a natural
body, there is also a spirit body."

No; it doesn't say spirit body but nevertheless that's what some people have
decided it ought to say.

The Greek word translated "spiritual" is ambiguous. It doesn't necessarily
refer to the characteristics of a body with the consistency of thin air. Below
is a list of spiritual things that bear absolutely no resemblance whatsoever to
the bodily chemistry of an angel or a demon.

Spiritual gifts (Rom 1:11)
Spiritual law (Rom 7:14)
Spiritual things (Rom 15:27)
Spiritual people (1Cor 2:15)
Spiritual nourishment (1Cor 10:3)
Spiritual water (1Cor 10:4)
Spiritual rock (1Cor 10:4)
Spiritual blessings (Eph 1:3)
Spiritual music (Eph 5:19)
Spiritual understanding (Col 1:9)
Spiritual housing (1Pet 2:5)
Spiritual sacrifices (1Pet 2:5)

I sincerely believe that the spiritual body spoken of at 1Cor 15:44 is in no
way composed of a gaseous substance. Of what material it is composed I
don't know; but I do know at least four things about it.

1• The spiritual body is patterned after Christ's glorified body.

†. Phil 3:20-21 . .Our citizenship is in heaven. And we eagerly await a savior
from there, the Lord Jesus Christ, who, by the power that enables him to
bring everything under his control, will transform our lowly bodies so that
they will be like his glorious body.

2• The spiritual body is capable of dining upon ordinary foods.

†. Luke 22:15-16 . . I have eagerly desired to eat this Passover with you
before I suffer. For I tell you: I will not eat it again until it finds fulfillment in
the kingdom of God.

3• The spiritual body is capable of imbibing ordinary beverages.

†. Matt 26:29 . . I tell you: I will not drink of this fruit of the vine from now
on until that day when I drink it anew with you in my Father's kingdom.

4• The spiritual body is capable of being seen by the naked eye.

†. Acts 1:11 . . Men of Galilee, why do you stand looking into the sky? This
Jesus, who has been taken up from you into heaven, will come in just the
same way as you have watched him go into heaven.

†. Rev 1:7 . . Behold, he is coming with the clouds, and every eye will see
him, even those who pierced him.

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[Barrd]

Weber is a one trick pony ....he posts but never engages, and his shtick is all about JWs.

Looks like he's gonna do two tricks this time.

I wonder what this has to do with the JWs??

opcorn:

 

[StanJ]

Looks like he's gonna do two tricks this time.

I wonder what this has to do with the JWs??

opcorn:

Have no idea....I put him on ignore a long time ago. Engagement is a two-way street.

 

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†. John 20:24-28 . . Now Thomas (called Didymus), one of the twelve, was
not with the disciples when Jesus came. So the other disciples told him: We
have seen the Lord! But he said to them: Unless I see the nail marks in his
hands and put my finger where the nails were, and put my hand into his
side, I will not believe it.

. . . A week later his disciples were in the house again, and Thomas was with
them. Though the doors were locked, Jesus came and stood among them
and said: Peace be with you. Then he said to Thomas: Put your finger here;
see my hands. Reach out your hand and put it into my side. Stop doubting
and believe.

. . .Thomas said to him: My Lord and my God.

Thomas' response is a pretty interesting look behind the scenes. It reveals
that at some time during Christ's association with his apostles, he claimed to
be not just a god, rather, the god as per Gen 1:1.

Well; I don't think Thomas accepted Jesus' claim to be the god whom Moses'
people know as Yhvh; and in point of fact, I am confident that Thomas never
would have accepted his claim to be Yhvh had not Jesus proven it by
restoring his crucified body to life as per the prediction recorded at John
2:19-22.

"Jesus answered and said to them: Destroy this temple, and in three days I
will raise it up. The Jews therefore said: It took forty-six years to build this
temple, and will you raise it up in three days? But He was speaking of the
temple of his body.

. . .When therefore he was raised from the dead, his disciples remembered
that He said this; and they believed the scripture, and the word which Jesus
had spoken."

FYI: It was extremely important that Christ return to life with his crucified
body rather than with a fresh, new body, or a spirit body, because in John
2:19-22 Jesus predicted that he would raise "this" temple in three days; viz:
the body he had while speaking to the Jews at the time of that incident.

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†. John 20:24-28 . . Now Thomas (called Didymus), one of the twelve, was
not with the disciples when Jesus came. So the other disciples told him: We
have seen the Lord! But he said to them: Unless I see the nail marks in his
hands and put my finger where the nails were, and put my hand into his
side, I will not believe it.

. . . A week later his disciples were in the house again, and Thomas was with
them. Though the doors were locked, Jesus came and stood among them
and said: Peace be with you. Then he said to Thomas: Put your finger here;
see my hands. Reach out your hand and put it into my side. Stop doubting
and believe.

. . .Thomas said to him: My Lord and my God.

Thomas' response is a pretty interesting look behind the scenes. It reveals
that at some time during Christ's association with his apostles, he claimed to
be not just a god, rather, the god as per Gen 1:1.

Well; I don't think Thomas accepted Jesus' claim to be the god whom Moses'
people know as Yhvh; and in point of fact, I am confident that Thomas never
would have accepted his claim to be Yhvh had not Jesus proven it by
restoring his crucified body to life as per the prediction recorded at John
2:19-22.

"Jesus answered and said to them: Destroy this temple, and in three days I
will raise it up. The Jews therefore said: It took forty-six years to build this
temple, and will you raise it up in three days? But He was speaking of the
temple of his body.

. . .When therefore he was raised from the dead, his disciples remembered
that He said this; and they believed the scripture, and the word which Jesus
had spoken."

FYI: It was extremely important that Christ return to life with his crucified
body rather than with a fresh, new body, or a spirit body, because in John
2:19-22 Jesus predicted that he would raise "this" temple in three days; viz:
the body he had while speaking to the Jews at the time of that incident.

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And yet it seemed that folks didn't recognize Him right away...

 

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When Jesus revived, he had no clothes to speak of, having lost them to the
Romans (Matt 27:35). The shroud is missing from the inventory listed at
John 20:23-7 and I think that's because Christ kept it as a temporary
garment till he rounded up something suitable.

Anyway; the last time Mary Magdalena saw Jesus, he was practically naked;

†. Ps 22:17-18 . . I can count every bone in my body. My enemies stare at
me and gloat. They divide my clothes among themselves and throw dice for
my garments.

and in terrible shape.

†. Isa 52:13-15 . . Many were amazed when they saw him-- beaten and
bloodied, so disfigured one would scarcely know he was a person.

So even if Mary had been expecting to encounter her friend out at the
cemetery, which of course she wasn't, she wouldn't have been looking for an
able-bodied man clothed with a shroud. She would have been looking for a
nearly-naked man, beaten to a pulp, covered with blood, and wearing a
crown of thorns. It's no wonder to me that she didn't recognize Jesus right
away. Nobody would have, not even his own mother.

Not too long ago I ran into a long-time family friend in a place where I
wasn't expecting him and walked right past practically shoulder to shoulder
before he caught my attention by calling out my name; so Mary's experience
wasn't all that unusual; it happens all the time.

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Q: If Jesus Christ's crucified corpse really did return to life; then how did he
get it into a room without opening the door? (John 20:19)

A: Too many people expect Christianity to be a reasonable, scientific
religion. It's not. Christianity is a supernatural religion; for example:

Christ walked on water, restored withered limbs, cured people born blind,
healed serious diseases like leprosy, revived the dead, controlled the
weather, multiplied fish and bread, turned water into wine, and levitated.

What's one more miracle, more or less? Walking through walls?
Disappearing and reappearing? How hard could any of that really be for a
man with the powers of God at his disposal?

It's curious how people can say they believe in miracles but yet cannot
believe that God has sufficient control over the laws of nature to make a
physical human body pass through solid objects.

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Q: 1Cor 15:50 clearly testifies that flesh and blood cannot inherit the
kingdom of God. Wouldn't that fact alone preclude the possibility of Christ's
crucified body returning to life?

A: First, and foremost; it was essential that Christ's crucified body be
returned to life or otherwise his prediction as per John 2:19-22 would've
been easily proven false. However, in its natural condition, Christ's body was
unsuitable for heaven. So then, what are we to do about that?

Some day all of Christ's believing followers will be resurrected and taken up
to meet the Lord in the air (1Thes 4:13-17). On the way up, their natural
bodies will undergo a sudden and miraculous transformation. (1Cor 15:51-53)

I think it's pretty safe to assume that Christ's natural body underwent a
similar transformation while on the way up to heaven as per Acts 1:9 so that
today his body is no longer a normal human body; but instead, a
superhuman body to which all his believing followers' bodies will one day
conform. (Php 4:20-21.

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