Christians are not under the New Covenant

[Moriah's Song]

The REAL experience is when the Millennial starts and that which is perfect is come.

That's Darby's dispensational talk and your use of Jeremiah 31.

Few healed per capita, instead of the entire world healed in the Millennial.

That means bringing back Christ for a re-do.

1..Yes.

2...1000 years.

3...Reigning unopposed.

4...The future Millennial IS fulfilled the new covenant, which we are INCLUDED into right now in a partial, dark glass view of.(Hebrews 10:15-17)

5...The nations.

6...Most theologians are wrong. Jesus Himself will build it. They do not realize this fact.

Sure sounds like and looks like Darby wrote it for you. Everything above that you have said is what Darby wrote in the early 1800's.

 

[keithr]

Jesus has the testimony of Jesus? Nuts!

You have obvously misread what I wrote! Verse 5 is referring to Jesus, verse 17 is not - it's referring to Christians.

Gen 37:9 has no. Correlation to rev 12 no crown! No child! No nothing
The woman is Mary

Rev. 12 has no correlation to Mary!

The child is Christ

Yep, that's what I wrote.

Mary is the adversary of satan

The woman in Rev. 12 flees and is and is persecuted by the dragon (Satan). It doesn't say the woman was the adversary of the dragon.

If the woman was Mary then why is there no history of Mary living in the wilderness for 1260 years, and who are "the rest of her offspring"?

 

[theefaith]

You have obvously misread what I wrote! Verse 5 is referring to Jesus, verse 17 is not - it's referring to Christians.


Rev. 12 has no correlation to Mary!


Yep, that's what I wrote.


The woman in Rev. 12 flees and is and is persecuted by the dragon (Satan). It doesn't say the woman was the adversary of the dragon.

If the woman was Mary then why is there no history of Mary living in the wilderness for 1260 years, and who are "the rest of her offspring"?

gen 3:15 enmity or total war
Rev12 the dragon was wroth with the woman went off to make war
Continue his war
She is the humble virgin who crushes his proud head

 

[keithr]

gen 3:15 enmity or total war
Rev12 the dragon was wroth with the woman went off to make war
Continue his war
She is the humble virgin who crushes his proud head

If you don't write proper sentences then I can't understand what you're trying to say. You're not making any sense to me.

 

[theefaith]

Mary is the adversary

Christians are her spiritual children Jn 19:26-27 rev 12:17

 

[Truther]

Jesus has the testimony of Jesus? Nuts!

Gen 37:9 has no. Correlation to rev 12 no crown! No child! No nothing
The woman is Mary
The child is Christ
Mary is the adversary of satan
Israel was his partner in crucifying him
Gen 3:15 rev 12:1 lk 1:28 all Mary immaculate

The Jews do.

Jesus was a Jew.

The promise to the fathers were to Jews.

He came unto his own(Jews).

Think.

 

[Truther]

That's Darby's dispensational talk and your use of Jeremiah 31.

That means bringing back Christ for a re-do.
Sure sounds like and looks like Darby wrote it for you. Everything above that you have said is what Darby wrote in the early 1800's.

Never read Darby, only the Bible.

Fact is, true Christianity is almost nothing in contrast to the fulfilled promise we read about in the Bible.

Not, every eye will see him in this present state.

Not every lame shall walk in this present state.

Wars continue to rage in this present state.

The devil even wrecks entire nations and creates false religion on a mass scale in this present state.

We see through a glass darkly with only partial gifts in this present state.

If we are in the Millennial today, God lied.

 

[Moriah's Song]

Christians are her spiritual children Jn 19:26-27 rev 12:17

Christians are God's children; not Mary's "spiritual children!!!

Neither one of those verses you used, as seen below, indicate that Mary is our "spiritual mother" any more than she is yours...because her body is in a grave somewhere in Jerusalem and her soul is in heaven with Jesus ("to be absent from the body is to be present with the Lord")

Jhn 19:26...When Jesus saw his mother, and the disciple whom he loved standing near, he said to his mother, "Woman, behold, your son!"
Jhn 19:27...Then he said to the disciple, "Behold, your mother!" And from that hour the disciple took her to his own home.​

Rev 12:17...Then the dragon was angry with the woman, (the church) and went off to make war on the rest of her offspring,(who were still on earth) on those who keep the commandments of God (present tense) and bear testimony to Jesus. (living missionaries and disciples of Christ) And he stood on the sand of the sea.​

Since Jesus had omniscience (knowledge of the past, present and future) He knew that all of the 12 apostles would become martyrs but since John would to be the last to become a martyr, in addition to him remaining in Jerusalem with Peter, therefore, Mary would be able to stay with John until she died but that is specualtion. No one knows for absolute certainty when, how she died. But in no way was she "translated" to heaven as the RCC claims. It's just another heresy of the long list of heresies they adhere to. Mary's role in history was over when she gave birth to Jesus as scripture reveals. Scripture is all about Jesus; not all about Mary just as scripture went silent about Joseph because it was not all about Josephe either.

Heretics abound on forums like this unfortunately!

 

[Moriah's Song]

Never read Darby, only the Bible.

That is not unusual because many people have never been told where the dispensational theory originated from and whose idea it was. Many, many people are deceived by their own preachers who went to seminaries - especially those who came out of the Dallas Theological Seminary.

However, it is also very unusual that, what you write, makes it clear that you have unknowingly picked the doctrine up from somewhere since many seminaries that produce out pastors today, have been taught the heresetical theory and so they preach it from the pulpits. Bookstores abound with dispenasational books and I know this because I browsed through our local bookstore and was amazed to find primarily only dispensational authors books there. People pick up that theory from TV and radio also. But it is VERY unusual that that those who "just read the Bible" ever see the dispensational theory in it.

 

[theefaith]

The Jews do.

Jesus was a Jew.

The promise to the fathers were to Jews.

He came unto his own(Jews).

Think.

the mosaic covenant was for the twelve tribes of Israel not only Jews! Or Judah

the Jews are rejected for killing Christ and now of the bond woman not the free woman gal 4

the new covenant is for the salvation of all men!

 

[Moriah's Song]

the Jews are rejected for killing Christ

There were Gentiles there at the cross as well as Herod permitting his death as well..

 

[Truther]

That is not unusual because many people have never been told where the dispensational theory originated from and whose idea it was. Many, many people are deceived by their own preachers who went to seminaries - especially those who came out of the Dallas Theological Seminary.

However, it is also very unusual that, what you write, makes it clear that you have unknowingly picked the doctrine up from somewhere since many seminaries that produce out pastors today, have been taught the heresetical theory and so they preach it from the pulpits. Bookstores about with dispenasational books and I know this because I browsed through our local bookstore and was amazed to find primarily only dispensational authors books there. People pick up that theory from TV and radio also. But it is VERY unusual that that those who "just read the Bible" ever see the dispensational theory in it.

Darby was wrong just like the RCC priest that invented preterism was wrong.

Darby's basis was that the Law of the OT was universally abolished at the cross, so preterism teaches likewise.

I would never teach a doctrine with a false foundation like those.

 

[Truther]

the mosaic covenant was for the twelve tribes of Israel not only Jews! Or Judah

the Jews are rejected for killing Christ and now of the bond woman not the free woman gal 4

the new covenant is for the salvation of all men!

The Jews were temporarily cast aside....


25 For I would not, brethren, that ye should be ignorant of this mystery, lest ye should be wise in your own conceits; that blindness in part is happened to Israel, until the fulness of the Gentiles be come in.

26 And so all Israel shall be saved: as it is written, There shall come out of Sion the Deliverer, and shall turn away ungodliness from Jacob:

27 For this is my covenant unto them, when I shall take away their sins.

28 As concerning the gospel, they are enemies for your sakes: but as touching the election, they are beloved for the father's sakes.

29 For the gifts and calling of God are without repentance.

 

[Moriah's Song]

The Jews were temporarily cast aside....

Could you explain what you mean by "cast aside"?

 

[Truther]

Could you explain what you mean by "cast aside"?

Temporarily cast aside.

My lingo.

Here is the actual passage...


25 For I would not, brethren, that ye should be ignorant of this mystery, lest ye should be wise in your own conceits; that blindness in part is happened to Israel, until the fulness of the Gentiles be come in.

26 And so all Israel shall be saved: as it is written, There shall come out of Sion the Deliverer, and shall turn away ungodliness from Jacob:

27 For this is my covenant unto them, when I shall take away their sins.

28 As concerning the gospel, they are enemies for your sakes: but as touching the election, they are beloved for the father's sakes.

29 For the gifts and calling of God are without repentance.

 

[theefaith]

Christians are God's children; not Mary's "spiritual children!!!

Neither one of those verses you used, as seen below, indicate that Mary is our "spiritual mother" any more than she is yours...because her body is in a grave somewhere in Jerusalem and her soul is in heaven with Jesus ("to be absent from the body is to be present with the Lord")

Jhn 19:26...When Jesus saw his mother, and the disciple whom he loved standing near, he said to his mother, "Woman, behold, your son!"
Jhn 19:27...Then he said to the disciple, "Behold, your mother!" And from that hour the disciple took her to his own home.​

Rev 12:17...Then the dragon was angry with the woman, (the church) and went off to make war on the rest of her offspring,(who were still on earth) on those who keep the commandments of God (present tense) and bear testimony to Jesus. (living missionaries and disciples of Christ) And he stood on the sand of the sea.​

Since Jesus had omniscience (knowledge of the past, present and future) He knew that all of the 12 apostles would become martyrs but since John would to be the last to become a martyr, in addition to him remaining in Jerusalem with Peter, therefore, Mary would be able to stay with John until she died but that is specualtion. No one knows for absolute certainty when, how she died. But in no way was she "translated" to heaven as the RCC claims. It's just another heresy of the long list of heresies they adhere to. Mary's role in history was over when she gave birth to Jesus as scripture reveals. Scripture is all about Jesus; not all about Mary just as scripture went silent about Joseph because it was not all about Josephe either.

Heretics abound on forums like this unfortunately!

mary’s role over? What about Jn 2

why does Mary need be Johns MOTHER for him to care for her?

it should say according yo you; John please take care of my mother.

but never mentions any taking care of Mary

spiritual motherhood of all disciples for the scripture says to the disciple do it applies to all disciples

There can a biblical precedent for spiritual motherhood

Rachel is spiritual mother of Israel!
A type of Mary as spiritual mother of Christians!

The 12 sons of Jacob have 4 biological mothers, but Rachel is the spiritual mother of all Israel!

Matt 2:18 In Rama was there a voice heard, lamentation, and weeping, and great mourning, Rachel weeping for her children, and would not be comforted, because they are no more.

 

[Truther]

mary’s role over? What about Jn 2

why does Mary need be Johns MOTHER for him to care for her?

it should say according yo you; John please take care of my mother.

but never mentions any taking care of Mary

spiritual motherhood of all disciples for the scripture says to the disciple do it applies to all disciples

There can a biblical precedent for spiritual motherhood

Rachel is spiritual mother of Israel!
A type of Mary as spiritual mother of Christians!

The 12 sons of Jacob have 4 biological mothers, but Rachel is the spiritual mother of all Israel!

Matt 2:18 In Rama was there a voice heard, lamentation, and weeping, and great mourning, Rachel weeping for her children, and would not be comforted, because they are no more.

25 For this Agar is mount Sinai in Arabia, and answereth to Jerusalem which now is, and is in bondage with her children.

 

[theefaith]

There were Gentiles there at the cross as well as Herod permitting his death as well..

Yes and Pilate was no Jew

Acts 4:26 The kings of the earth stood up, and the rulers were gathered together against the Lord, and against his Christ.

27 For of a truth against thy holy child Jesus, whom thou hast anointed, both Herod, and Pontius Pilate, with the Gentiles, and the people of Israel, were gathered together,

but scripture says the Jews are the ones who crucified him

Acts 2:23 Him, being delivered by the determinate counsel and foreknowledge of God, ye have taken, and by wicked hands have crucified and slain:

Acts 3:14 But ye denied the Holy One and the Just, and desired a murderer to be granted unto you;

15 And killed the Prince of life, whom God hath raised from the dead; whereof we are witnesses.

Acts 5:30 The God of our fathers raised up Jesus, whom ye slew and hanged on a tree.

 

[theefaith]

The Jews were temporarily cast aside....


25 For I would not, brethren, that ye should be ignorant of this mystery, lest ye should be wise in your own conceits; that blindness in part is happened to Israel, until the fulness of the Gentiles be come in.

26 And so all Israel shall be saved: as it is written, There shall come out of Sion the Deliverer, and shall turn away ungodliness from Jacob:

27 For this is my covenant unto them, when I shall take away their sins.

28 As concerning the gospel, they are enemies for your sakes: but as touching the election, they are beloved for the father's sakes.

29 For the gifts and calling of God are without repentance.

temporarily? Really?

Matt 23:
38 Behold, your house is left unto you desolate.

39 For I say unto you, Ye shall not see me henceforth, till ye shall say, Blessed is he that cometh in the name of the Lord.

scripture says the Jews are the ones who crucified him

Acts 2:23 Him, being delivered by the determinate counsel and foreknowledge of God, ye have taken, and by wicked hands have crucified and slain:

Acts 3:14 But ye denied the Holy One and the Just, and desired a murderer to be granted unto you;

15 And killed the Prince of life, whom God hath raised from the dead; whereof we are witnesses.

Acts 5:30 The God of our fathers raised up Jesus, whom ye slew and hanged on a tree.

your verses refer to the new covenant church founded by Christ on Peter and the apostles

 

[theefaith]

25 For this Agar is mount Sinai in Arabia, and answereth to Jerusalem which now is, and is in bondage with her children.

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