Christians are not under the New Covenant

[keithr]

Christ is the offspring, Mary is his mother
Mary is the woman who cruches satans proud head

It's not a woman who crushes Satan's head, it is the seed (offspring - Jesus) who will do that - Genesis 3:15 (Darby):

(15) And I will put enmity between thee and the woman, and between thy seed and her seed; he shall crush thy head, and thou shalt crush his heel.

 

[Bob Carabbio]

Grace, as the mercy of God.... is God's Salvation.
This is literally Christ on the Cross who is the Grace of God offered as "the gift of Salvation".
This Grace is applied THROUGH your faith. In other words, you give God your faith, and God applies the Sacrifice of Christ to you, as your redemption.
So, this is not faith saving you...Its GOD saving you, through your faith.

Some believers have this odd perspective on "faith". They believe that faith saves them.
Its does not.
Faith is not the savior.
God is the Savior.

What part of God GIFTING FAITH didn't you understand. YOU DON'T HAVE ANY FAITH that's not gifted/revealed by GOD. The only thing a human can produce is "Intellectual assent" (Belief) which has none of the attributes of Biblical FAITH (Heb 11:1).

 

[Bob Carabbio]

Why do you say he was not a Christian?

Because Jesus hadn't died - yet, and there WERE NO CHRISTIANS until John 20:22.

 

[theefaith]

It's not a woman who crushes Satan's head, it is the seed (offspring - Jesus) who will do that - Genesis 3:15 (Darby):

(15) And I will put enmity between thee and the woman, and between thy seed and her seed; he shall crush thy head, and thou shalt crush his heel.

rev 12 Mary is satans adversary
Total war of enmity

correct version of Gen 3:15

Gen 3:15 I will put enmities between thee and the woman, and thy seed and her seed: she shall crush thy head, and thou shalt lie in wait for her heel.

 

[Bob Carabbio]

Christians are not under the New Covenant

UTTERLY RIDICULOUS!! All Born again Christians are living under the NEW Covenant, since it was ratified by the death of the testator (Jesus). Read Hebrews to get a little understanding.

 

[theefaith]

UTTERLY RIDICULOUS!! All Born again Christians are living under the NEW Covenant, since it was ratified by the death of the testator (Jesus). Read Hebrews to get a little understanding.

you find compelsion nuts all over!

 

[Moriah's Song]

...from the least to the greatest

Jer 31:34...And no longer shall each man teach his neighbor and each his brother, saying, 'Know the LORD,' for they shall all know me, from the least of them to the greatest, says the LORD; for I will forgive their iniquity, and I will remember their sin no more."
It's about forgiving sins; not about forgiving a country for their sins when they exhibit no desire to repent. God does not forgive the unrepentant.

But in Jeremiah 44 he also says....

Jer 44:12..."I will take the remnant of Judah who have set their faces to come to the land of Egypt to live, and they shall all be consumed; in the land of Egypt they shall fall; by the sword and by famine they shall be consumed; from the least to the greatest, they shall die by the sword and by famine; and they shall become an execration, a horror, a curse, and a taunt.​

When God uses the term "I will" you can be assured that he WILL do it - one way or another.

Heb 8:11...And they shall not teach every one his fellow or every one his brother, saying, 'Know the Lord,' for all shall know me, from the least of them to the greatest.

Act 8:10...They all gave heed to him, from the least to the greatest, saying, "This man is that power of God which is called Great."

 

[Moriah's Song]

compelsion nuts

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[Moriah's Song]

Mary is the woman who cruches satans proud head

Mary is dead. A sinner cannot crush the head of the serpent; only Jesus Christ can!

Benson Commentary

Genesis 3:15. I will put enmity, &c. — The whole race of serpents are, of all creatures, the most disagreeable and terrible to mankind, and especially to women: but the devil, who seduced the woman, and his angels, are here meant, who are hated and dreaded by all men, even by those that serve them, but more especially by good men.

And between thy seed — All carnal and wicked men, who, in reference to this text, are called the children and seed of Satan; and

her seed — That is, her offspring, first and principally CHRIST, who, with respect to this promise, is termed, by way of eminence, her seed, (see Galatians 3:16; Galatians 3:19,) whose alone work it is to bruise the serpent’s head, to destroy the policy and power of the devil. But also, secondly, all the members of Christ, all believers and holy men, are here intended, who are the seed of Christ and the implacable enemies of the devil and his works, and who overcome him by Christ’s merit and power.

It shall bruise thy head — The principal instrument of the serpent’s fury and mischief, and of his defence; and also the chief seat of his life, which, therefore, men chiefly strike at, and which, being upon the ground, a man may conveniently tread upon and crush to pieces. Applied to Satan, this denotes his subtlety and power, producing death, which Christ, the Seed of the woman, destroys by taking away its sting, which is sin.

Thou shalt bruise his heel — The part which is most within the serpent’s reach, and on which, being bruised by it, the serpent is provoked to fix its venomous teeth, but a part remote from the head and heart, and therefore wounds there, though painful, are yet not deadly nor dangerous, if they be observed in time. Understood of Christ, the seed of the woman, his heel means, first, his humanity, whereby he trod upon the earth, and which the devil, through the instrumentality of wicked men, bruised and killed; and, secondly, his people, his members, whom Satan, in divers ways, bruises, vexes, and afflicts while they are on earth, but cannot reach either Christ their head in heaven, or themselves when they shall be advanced thither. In this verse, therefore, notice is given of a perpetual quarrel commenced between the kingdom of God and the kingdom of the devil among men: war is proclaimed between the seed of the woman and the seed of the serpent, Revelation 12:7. It is the fruit of this enmity, 1st, That there is a continual conflict between God’s people and him. Heaven and hell can never be reconciled, no more can Satan and a sanctified soul. 2d, That there is likewise a continual struggle between the wicked and the good. And all the malice of persecutors against the people of God is the fruit of this enmity, which will continue while there is a godly man on this side heaven, and a wicked man on this side hell. But, 3d, A gracious promise also is here made of Christ, as the deliverer of fallen man from the power of Satan. By faith in this promise, our first parents, and the patriarchs before the flood, were justified and saved; and to this promise, and the benefit of it, instantly serving God day and night, they hoped to come.

 

[Truther]

Christ is the offspring, Mary is his mother
Mary is the woman who cruches satans proud head

You don't mess with God's mama!

LOL

 

[Truther]

Jer 31:34...And no longer shall each man teach his neighbor and each his brother, saying, 'Know the LORD,' for they shall all know me, from the least of them to the greatest, says the LORD; for I will forgive their iniquity, and I will remember their sin no more."
It's about forgiving sins; not about forgiving a country for their sins when they exhibit no desire to repent. God does not forgive the unrepentant.

But in Jeremiah 44 he also says....

Jer 44:12..."I will take the remnant of Judah who have set their faces to come to the land of Egypt to live, and they shall all be consumed; in the land of Egypt they shall fall; by the sword and by famine they shall be consumed; from the least to the greatest, they shall die by the sword and by famine; and they shall become an execration, a horror, a curse, and a taunt.​

When God uses the term "I will" you can be assured that he WILL do it - one way or another.

Heb 8:11...And they shall not teach every one his fellow or every one his brother, saying, 'Know the Lord,' for all shall know me, from the least of them to the greatest.

Act 8:10...They all gave heed to him, from the least to the greatest, saying, "This man is that power of God which is called Great."

....all know me...means every single one of them in Israel/Judah.

....they shall not say, know the Lord.....means witnessing will cease.

How can this be?

Christ visibly returned to save them.

Just like the depiction in Zech 14.

It has not happened yet.

Count on it though.

 

[keithr]

Act 8:10...They all gave heed to him, from the least to the greatest, saying, "This man is that power of God which is called Great."

Why are you quoting a verse which states what the Samarians thought about a man called Simon who practiced magic arts, "And they gave heed to him, because that for a long time he had astonished them by his magic arts" (verse 11)? This was the man who offered Peter and John money if they would give him the power to lay hands on people so that they would receive the Holy Spirit.

 

[Moriah's Song]

Why are you quoting a verse which states what the Samarians thought about a man called Simon who practiced magic arts, "And they gave heed to him, because that for a long time he had astonished them by his magic arts" (verse 11)? This was the man who offered Peter and John money if they would give him the power to lay hands on people so that they would receive the Holy Spirit.

It was to show that Satan also has his people who are "from the least to the greatest" also. It is the same as when the serpent tempted Eve by using God's word. I should have specified it though.

Does not Satan appear as an "angel of light?"

 

[Truther]

Why are you quoting a verse which states what the Samarians thought about a man called Simon who practiced magic arts, "And they gave heed to him, because that for a long time he had astonished them by his magic arts" (verse 11)? This was the man who offered Peter and John money if they would give him the power to lay hands on people so that they would receive the Holy Spirit.

If Peter was the first Pope, he would have took Simon's money and made him do 10 "hail Mary's".

 

[theefaith]

Mary is dead. A sinner cannot crush the head of the serpent; only Jesus Christ can!

Benson Commentary

Genesis 3:15. I will put enmity, &c. — The whole race of serpents are, of all creatures, the most disagreeable and terrible to mankind, and especially to women: but the devil, who seduced the woman, and his angels, are here meant, who are hated and dreaded by all men, even by those that serve them, but more especially by good men.

And between thy seed — All carnal and wicked men, who, in reference to this text, are called the children and seed of Satan; and

her seed — That is, her offspring, first and principally CHRIST, who, with respect to this promise, is termed, by way of eminence, her seed, (see Galatians 3:16; Galatians 3:19,) whose alone work it is to bruise the serpent’s head, to destroy the policy and power of the devil. But also, secondly, all the members of Christ, all believers and holy men, are here intended, who are the seed of Christ and the implacable enemies of the devil and his works, and who overcome him by Christ’s merit and power.

It shall bruise thy head — The principal instrument of the serpent’s fury and mischief, and of his defence; and also the chief seat of his life, which, therefore, men chiefly strike at, and which, being upon the ground, a man may conveniently tread upon and crush to pieces. Applied to Satan, this denotes his subtlety and power, producing death, which Christ, the Seed of the woman, destroys by taking away its sting, which is sin.

Thou shalt bruise his heel — The part which is most within the serpent’s reach, and on which, being bruised by it, the serpent is provoked to fix its venomous teeth, but a part remote from the head and heart, and therefore wounds there, though painful, are yet not deadly nor dangerous, if they be observed in time. Understood of Christ, the seed of the woman, his heel means, first, his humanity, whereby he trod upon the earth, and which the devil, through the instrumentality of wicked men, bruised and killed; and, secondly, his people, his members, whom Satan, in divers ways, bruises, vexes, and afflicts while they are on earth, but cannot reach either Christ their head in heaven, or themselves when they shall be advanced thither. In this verse, therefore, notice is given of a perpetual quarrel commenced between the kingdom of God and the kingdom of the devil among men: war is proclaimed between the seed of the woman and the seed of the serpent, Revelation 12:7. It is the fruit of this enmity, 1st, That there is a continual conflict between God’s people and him. Heaven and hell can never be reconciled, no more can Satan and a sanctified soul. 2d, That there is likewise a continual struggle between the wicked and the good. And all the malice of persecutors against the people of God is the fruit of this enmity, which will continue while there is a godly man on this side heaven, and a wicked man on this side hell. But, 3d, A gracious promise also is here made of Christ, as the deliverer of fallen man from the power of Satan. By faith in this promise, our first parents, and the patriarchs before the flood, were justified and saved; and to this promise, and the benefit of it, instantly serving God day and night, they hoped to come.

John 11:25
Jesus said unto her, I am the resurrection, and the life: he that believeth in me, though he were dead, yet shall he live:

Gen 3:15 I will put enmities between thee and the woman, and thy seed and her seed: she shall crush thy head, and thou shalt lie in wait for her heel.

Lk 1:48 For he hath regarded the low estate of his handmaiden: for, behold, from henceforth all generations shall call me blessed.

rev 12:17 And the dragon was wroth with the woman, and went to make war with the remnant of her seed, which keep the commandments of God, and have the testimony of Jesus Christ.

Mary is satan’s adversary

 

[theefaith]

Jer 31:34...And no longer shall each man teach his neighbor and each his brother, saying, 'Know the LORD,' for they shall all know me, from the least of them to the greatest, says the LORD; for I will forgive their iniquity, and I will remember their sin no more."
It's about forgiving sins; not about forgiving a country for their sins when they exhibit no desire to repent. God does not forgive the unrepentant.

But in Jeremiah 44 he also says....

Jer 44:12..."I will take the remnant of Judah who have set their faces to come to the land of Egypt to live, and they shall all be consumed; in the land of Egypt they shall fall; by the sword and by famine they shall be consumed; from the least to the greatest, they shall die by the sword and by famine; and they shall become an execration, a horror, a curse, and a taunt.​

When God uses the term "I will" you can be assured that he WILL do it - one way or another.

Heb 8:11...And they shall not teach every one his fellow or every one his brother, saying, 'Know the Lord,' for all shall know me, from the least of them to the greatest.

Act 8:10...They all gave heed to him, from the least to the greatest, saying, "This man is that power of God which is called Great."

refers to the natural law of reason and conscience not to the divine revelation of faith that Christ commanded his church of the apostles to teach all nations Matt 28:19 and we must be instructed lk 1:4

 

[Truther]

John 11:25
Jesus said unto her, I am the resurrection, and the life: he that believeth in me, though he were dead, yet shall he live:

Gen 3:15 I will put enmities between thee and the woman, and thy seed and her seed: she shall crush thy head, and thou shalt lie in wait for her heel.

Lk 1:48 For he hath regarded the low estate of his handmaiden: for, behold, from henceforth all generations shall call me blessed.

rev 12:17 And the dragon was wroth with the woman, and went to make war with the remnant of her seed, which keep the commandments of God, and have the testimony of Jesus Christ.

Mary is satan’s adversary

The woman is national Israel you quoted.

Satan attempts to thwart the promise of God to the fathers making Israel the center of Christ's kingdom to the nations during His millennial reign to come in chapter 20.

Satan wants to make God a liar.

So does the RCC, saying this is Mary.

 

[theefaith]

The woman is national Israel you quoted.

Satan attempts to thwart the promise of God to the fathers making Israel the center of Christ's kingdom to the nations during His millennial reign to come in chapter 20.

Satan wants to make God a liar.

So does the RCC, saying this is Mary.

you say it’s Israel?
So is Israel is the adversary of satan

yet they were in cahoots
Crucify him! Crucify him!

 

[Truther]

you say it’s Israel?
So is Israel is the adversary of satan

yet they were in cahoots
Crucify him! Crucify him!

Last days Israel during the Great Tribulation, not ancient Israel.

 

[theefaith]

Last days Israel during the Great Tribulation, not ancient Israel.

but the woman is not ancient Israel but mother of the savior

future person I shall put enmity future