Christians and Jews are both anti Acts 2:38.

[Titus]

wait…… so let me get this straight… so lets say i’m not saved, and i do bad stuff everyday, you’re telling me that if i ask for forgiveness, tell God that i believe in Him and His atonement, get baptized, take communion, goto church, and continue on in life that i’ll be saved?? Tell me thats not what you believe…

I believe what the first century folks did to be saved:
Believe: Mark 16:15-16
Repentance Acts 2:38 ; Acts 3:19 ; Acts 8:22
Confession, Acts 8:36-38
Water baptism, Matthew 26:28; 1Peter 3:20-21 Acts 22:16; Acts 2:38 etc.

I believe what Jesus taught saves us,
John 3:5
Mark 16:15-16

 

[Titus]

wait…… so let me get this straight… so lets say i’m not saved, and i do bad stuff everyday, you’re telling me that if i ask for forgiveness, tell God that i believe in Him and His atonement, get baptized, take communion, goto church, and continue on in life that i’ll be saved?? Tell me thats not what you believe…

Hebrews 5:8-9
Read it

 

[Lifelong_sinner]

That really didnt answer my question, but lets rephrase it. What are the requirements to get saved? What must we know in order to get saved?

 

[PinSeeker]

The sinner must first obey Acts 2:38 to be qualified to be Christ's church.

Nope. But this "nope" needs a bit of qualification. Two things:

a. Repentance and belief only is needed to be "qualified" for Christ's church.
b. Water baptism is an sign and seal of the promise, and on our part a public acknowledgment of ~ and even a call on God's promise and absolute trust in His ability to bring His good work in the person to completion at the day of Christ, thereby delivering him/her to glory. This point needs a bit of clarification also:

* Peter says to the men of Israel that the promise is for them and their children. He does not specify an any age requirement, and it is a surety that many men in Peter's hearing had babies in their households. So this water baptism can be administered to babies, also, as the promise is for them, too. Water baptism has taken the place, in the New Testament church, of circumcision, which was to be done on babies eight days old (full immersion not necessary, but sprinkling, the Biblical precedent being what God says about the spiritual baptism that He Himself administers in Ezekiel 36:25 ~ "I will sprinkle clean water on you, and you shall be clean from all your uncleannesses..."). In the case of infant baptism, it's really about the parents' public acknowledgment of and call on God's promise to convert the baby's heart at the time of His choosing and absolute trust in His ability to bring His good work in the baby to completion at the day of Christ, thereby delivering him/her to glory.​

So while water baptism is not a requirement, it is... strongly urged, for several reasons.

And actually, to put it another way, it is more correct to say everyone is "qualified" ~ 'eligible' is more accurate ~ because in a very real sense, no one ~ in his or her natural state ~ is qualified. :) It depends on God's mercy (Romans 9:16) to declare a person qualified... to baptize the person with water and the Spirit (John 3:5) and to justify him/her (Romans 8:30) by imputing the righteousness of Christ Jesus upon him/her and this give him/her new life by His Spirit (John 3:6)... to place him/her in Christ (Romans 8:1).

Grace and peace to all.

 

[Lifelong_sinner]

Nope. But this "nope" needs a bit of qualification. Two things:

a. Repentance and belief only is needed to be "qualified" for Christ's church.
b. Water baptism is an sign and seal of the promise, and on our part a public acknowledgment of ~ and even a call on God's promise and absolute trust in His ability to bring His good work in the person to completion at the day of Christ, thereby delivering him/her to glory. This point needs a bit of clarification also:

* Peter says to the men of Israel that the promise is for them and their children. He does not specify an any age requirement, and it is a surety that many men in Peter's hearing had babies in their households. So this water baptism can be administered to babies, also, as the promise is for them, too. Water baptism has taken the place, in the New Testament church, of circumcision, which was to be done on babies eight days old (full immersion not necessary, but sprinkling, the Biblical precedent being what God says about the spiritual baptism that He Himself administers in Ezekiel 36:25 ~ "I will sprinkle clean water on you, and you shall be clean from all your uncleannesses..."). In the case of infant baptism, it's really about the parents' public acknowledgment of and call on God's promise to convert the baby's heart at the time of His choosing and absolute trust in His ability to bring His good work in the baby to completion at the day of Christ, thereby delivering him/her to glory.​

So while water baptism is not a requirement, it is... strongly urged, for several reasons.

And actually, to put it another way, it is more correct to say everyone is "qualified" ~ 'eligible' is more accurate ~ because in a very real sense, no one ~ in his or her natural state ~ is qualified. :) It depends on God's mercy (Romans 9:16) to declare a person qualified... to baptize the person with water and the Spirit (John 3:5) and to justify him/her (Romans 8:30) by imputing the righteousness of Christ Jesus upon him/her and this give him/her new life by His Spirit (John 3:6)... to place him/her in Christ (Romans 8:1).

Grace and peace to all.

i have to say it is a nice breath of air to read more reformed theology on here. Sometimes i think its me vs the whole forum. Us reformed folk are few and far between on here.

 

[Titus]

That really didnt answer my question, but lets rephrase it. What are the requirements to get saved? What must we know in order to get saved?

Happy you asked.

Friend, you have work to do.

Read, the first gospel sermon preached under Jesus new will and testament,(when His law came into force)
Read: study it diligently,
All of Acts chapter 2.
Then read All of Acts chapter 8.
Pay close attention to the conversion of Simon the Sorcerer. Learn what these folks were told to do.

Then read the conversion, of the Ethiopian Eunch, Acts 8:26-39

Then read the conversion of the apostle Paul, in Acts 9:1-18

Then read Paul tell us when his sins were washed away, Acts 22:16.

Then go to the conversion of the Ephesians in Acts 19:1-7

When you have meditated on these conversions get back with me friend.

You will realize that the new testament does not teach, the way to be saved as you have been misled.

Love you, life long sinner.

 

[PinSeeker]

Jesus is the way, the truth, and the life (John 14:6). We all would do well to read Acts 9 ~ the conversion of Saul ~ again. But particularly relevant to this conversation is Acts 9:18, where we read (notice the order of events):

"And immediately something like scales fell from his eyes, and he regained his sight. Then he rose and was baptized..."​

Saul was converted by the Lord ~ "something like scales fell from his eyes, and he regained his sight" (he was cured of his blindness; which only the Lord can do) ~ and then ~ subsequently ~ he rose and was baptized. His conversion was the work of the Lord (he was born again of the Spirit, Who baptized him with water and the Spirit, thus being saved. And then, because of his changed heart, he willingly underwent water baptism, which was a response to the salvific mercy given him by God, and not "qualifying action of salvation."

Grace and peace to all.

 

[Phoneman777]

Thanks, Phoneman. I'm not arguing with what you say; I pretty much agree, except I'd actually say "loved differently," rather than "loved less." God loves his elect in a sovereign, distinguishing way, but this is not necessarily to say that He loves His elect "more." But again, thank you.

Grace and peace to you.

A thought worth much consideration! Thank you!

 

[Phoneman777]

Was Peter what you just described me as at Pentecost when he commanded the 3000 murderers of Jesus to obey him per this?...


38 Then Peter said unto them, Repent, and be baptized every one of you in the name of Jesus Christ for the remission of sins, and ye shall receive the gift of the Holy Ghost.

Was he a bully or a jerk?

Or, was he being a nice guy?

I'm curious: You're saying a person must repent of their sins and be baptized also in order to be saved?

 

[Christ4Me]

Taking the Epistle out of context trumps Acts 2:38?

Did you know that most evangelists let their fellows do their baptizing, as they deal with the administration of the Word?

You better learn what is going on.

Modern preachers that say Paul did not do the baptizing therefore was against baptism are not even trying to understand what he meant.

They are anti Acts and Jesus(Mark 16:16).

They hate Mark 16:16 so much that they have declared that chapter a fraud.

What a bunch of schmucks.

Did you read this from Peter to the Jews before you started harping on Acts 2:38 as if water baptism is necessary for salvation?

Acts 2:14 But Peter, standing up with the eleven, lifted up his voice, and said unto them, Ye men of Judaea, and all ye that dwell at Jerusalem, be this known unto you, and hearken to my words: 15 For these are not drunken, as ye suppose, seeing it is but the third hour of the day. 16 But this is that which was spoken by the prophet Joel; 17 And it shall come to pass in the last days, saith God, I will pour out of my Spirit upon all flesh: and your sons and your daughters shall prophesy, and your young men shall see visions, and your old men shall dream dreams: 18 And on my servants and on my handmaidens I will pour out in those days of my Spirit; and they shall prophesy: 19 And I will shew wonders in heaven above, and signs in the earth beneath; blood, and fire, and vapour of smoke: 20 The sun shall be turned into darkness, and the moon into blood, before the great and notable day of the Lord come: 21 And it shall come to pass, that whosoever shall call on the name of the Lord shall be saved.

 

[Christ4Me]

What a bunch of schmucks.

Galatians 5:14 For all the law is fulfilled in one word, even in this; Thou shalt love thy neighbour as thyself. 15 But if ye bite and devour one another, take heed that ye be not consumed one of another. 16 This I say then, Walk in the Spirit, and ye shall not fulfil the lust of the flesh.

2 Timothy 2:24 And the servant of the Lord must not strive; but be gentle unto all men, apt to teach, patient, 25 In meekness instructing those that oppose themselves; if God peradventure will give them repentance to the acknowledging of the truth; 26 And that they may recover themselves out of the snare of the devil, who are taken captive by him at his will.

Take a break, brother. Then come back with His love in the ministry.

 

[PinSeeker]

Did you read this from Peter to the Jews before you started harping on Acts 2:38 as if water baptism is necessary for salvation?

Acts 2:14 ... 21 And it shall come to pass, that whosoever shall call on the name of the Lord shall be saved.

Right, and Peter is quoting there directly from Joel 2:32. The ones that call on the name of the Lord are the ones whom the Lord calls. They ~ the ones who are called by the Lord ~ respond, without fail, to the Lord's call by calling on the name of the Lord.

Grace and peace to you.

 

[Truther]

Yes, Romans is not the book for salvation but written to the saved!

That is why I did not do what you falsely accuse me of!

I took you straight to Acts 8 and the CONVERSION of the Ethiopian Eunch that was being SAVED!

Acts does teach confession with the mouth unto salvation just as Paul taught christians in Romans

Did you miss Acts 8: 37-38?

And No I do not believe in once saved always saved.
Judt as I do not believe that you go around publicly confessing over and over out loud,
I believe that Jesus Christ is the Son of God, to stay saved

The theme of the NT plan of salvation is to obey Acts 2:38, then continue to confess and believe on this long road of faith afterwards to enter eternity as saved by faith.

I don't have to remind you of that if you have been saved for a long time.

Alot of junk happens to us to try to get us to have our faith fail, but confession is the key.

As a matter of fact, I make other confessions to God as a teacher too.

One of them is "Jesus, I thank you for dying for my sins and resurrecting so I can too".

Another is, "I believe every single OT and NT miracle happened as your word says", which helps me teach with faith building boldness others can feel.

Notice, these confessions of my faith are AFTER obeying Acts 2:38 in 1979.

 

[Truther]

Nope. But this "nope" needs a bit of qualification. Two things:

a. Repentance and belief only is needed to be "qualified" for Christ's church.
b. Water baptism is an sign and seal of the promise, and on our part a public acknowledgment of ~ and even a call on God's promise and absolute trust in His ability to bring His good work in the person to completion at the day of Christ, thereby delivering him/her to glory. This point needs a bit of clarification also:

* Peter says to the men of Israel that the promise is for them and their children. He does not specify an any age requirement, and it is a surety that many men in Peter's hearing had babies in their households. So this water baptism can be administered to babies, also, as the promise is for them, too. Water baptism has taken the place, in the New Testament church, of circumcision, which was to be done on babies eight days old (full immersion not necessary, but sprinkling, the Biblical precedent being what God says about the spiritual baptism that He Himself administers in Ezekiel 36:25 ~ "I will sprinkle clean water on you, and you shall be clean from all your uncleannesses..."). In the case of infant baptism, it's really about the parents' public acknowledgment of and call on God's promise to convert the baby's heart at the time of His choosing and absolute trust in His ability to bring His good work in the baby to completion at the day of Christ, thereby delivering him/her to glory.​

So while water baptism is not a requirement, it is... strongly urged, for several reasons.

And actually, to put it another way, it is more correct to say everyone is "qualified" ~ 'eligible' is more accurate ~ because in a very real sense, no one ~ in his or her natural state ~ is qualified. :) It depends on God's mercy (Romans 9:16) to declare a person qualified... to baptize the person with water and the Spirit (John 3:5) and to justify him/her (Romans 8:30) by imputing the righteousness of Christ Jesus upon him/her and this give him/her new life by His Spirit (John 3:6)... to place him/her in Christ (Romans 8:1).

Grace and peace to all.

You just debunked Peter and over 3000 at Pentecost per Acts 2:38.

Nothing to be proud of.

Modernism is a disaster.

I will stick with the 3000 as my brethren.

 

[Truther]

I'm curious: You're saying a person must repent of their sins and be baptized also in order to be saved?

Exactly, per Acts 2:38.

When the very first "sinners" at the birthday of the church per Pentecost in Acts 2 asked Peter, "what should we do?", he replied verbatim...

38 Then Peter said unto them, Repent, and be baptized every one of you in the name of Jesus Christ for the remission of sins, and ye shall receive the gift of the Holy Ghost.


....which I agree with today.

Only modernism says "no thanks" today.

They wish it was never in the Bible.

The RCC "banned" it 1700 years ago and the Protestants continued the ban.

I defy them all and tell all sinners to obey Acts 2:38.

Shouldn't you do the same?

 

[Truther]

Did you read this from Peter to the Jews before you started harping on Acts 2:38 as if water baptism is necessary for salvation?

Acts 2:14 But Peter, standing up with the eleven, lifted up his voice, and said unto them, Ye men of Judaea, and all ye that dwell at Jerusalem, be this known unto you, and hearken to my words: 15 For these are not drunken, as ye suppose, seeing it is but the third hour of the day. 16 But this is that which was spoken by the prophet Joel; 17 And it shall come to pass in the last days, saith God, I will pour out of my Spirit upon all flesh: and your sons and your daughters shall prophesy, and your young men shall see visions, and your old men shall dream dreams: 18 And on my servants and on my handmaidens I will pour out in those days of my Spirit; and they shall prophesy: 19 And I will shew wonders in heaven above, and signs in the earth beneath; blood, and fire, and vapour of smoke: 20 The sun shall be turned into darkness, and the moon into blood, before the great and notable day of the Lord come: 21 And it shall come to pass, that whosoever shall call on the name of the Lord shall be saved.

Sure, which was for both gentile and Jew.

This outpouring will end in the Great tribulation as Peter said, too.

Count on it.

This is only the beginning of the era.

 

[Truther]

Galatians 5:14 For all the law is fulfilled in one word, even in this; Thou shalt love thy neighbour as thyself. 15 But if ye bite and devour one another, take heed that ye be not consumed one of another. 16 This I say then, Walk in the Spirit, and ye shall not fulfil the lust of the flesh.

2 Timothy 2:24 And the servant of the Lord must not strive; but be gentle unto all men, apt to teach, patient, 25 In meekness instructing those that oppose themselves; if God peradventure will give them repentance to the acknowledging of the truth; 26 And that they may recover themselves out of the snare of the devil, who are taken captive by him at his will.

Take a break, brother. Then come back with His love in the ministry.

False teachers are not schmucks?

 

[Titus]

The theme of the NT plan of salvation is to obey Acts 2:38, then continue to confess and believe on this long road of faith afterwards to enter eternity as saved by faith.

I don't have to remind you of that if you have been saved for a long time.

Alot of junk happens to us to try to get us to have our faith fail, but confession is the key.

As a matter of fact, I make other confessions to God as a teacher too.

One of them is "Jesus, I thank you for dying for my sins and resurrecting so I can too".

Another is, "I believe every single OT and NT miracle happened as your word says", which helps me teach with faith building boldness others can feel.

Notice, these confessions of my faith are AFTER obeying Acts 2:38 in 1979.

Maybe you confess faith.
Biblical confession is specific.
Romans 10:9-19
and with the mouth confession is made unto salvation
Just as the Ethiopian Eunch did BEFORE he was saved,
Acts 8:37-38

John 3:16 is not the whole gospel of salvation.
Acts 2:38 is not the whole gospel of salvation.

If it is. Then rip out the rest of Jesus' gospel in your Bible.

 

[Christ4Me]

False teachers are not schmucks?

Nope. They are still our brothers.

2 Thessalonians 3:1Finally, brethren, pray for us, that the word of the Lord may have free course, and be glorified, even as it is with you: 2 And that we may be delivered from unreasonable and wicked men: for all men have not faith. 3 But the Lord is faithful, who shall stablish you, and keep you from evil. 4 And we have confidence in the Lord touching you, that ye both do and will do the things which we command you. 5 And the Lord direct your hearts into the love of God, and into the patient waiting for Christ. 6 Now we command you, brethren, in the name of our Lord Jesus Christ, that ye withdraw yourselves from every brother that walketh disorderly, and not after the tradition which he received of us. 7 For yourselves know how ye ought to follow us: for we behaved not ourselves disorderly among you;.....

14 And if any man obey not our word by this epistle, note that man, and have no company with him, that he may be ashamed. 15 Yet count him not as an enemy, but admonish him as a brother.

That means not treating them like schmucks, but as brothers still because they still are brothers & still saved too but at risk of being excommunicated by the Bridegroom if he still has not repented after being excommunicated by the church, which nowadays, most churches hardly do, but He will.

 

[Phoneman777]

Exactly, per Acts 2:38.

When the very first "sinners" at the birthday of the church per Pentecost in Acts 2 asked Peter, "what should we do?", he replied verbatim...

38 Then Peter said unto them, Repent, and be baptized every one of you in the name of Jesus Christ for the remission of sins, and ye shall receive the gift of the Holy Ghost.


....which I agree with today.

Only modernism says "no thanks" today.

They wish it was never in the Bible.

The RCC "banned" it 1700 years ago and the Protestants continued the ban.

I defy them all and tell all sinners to obey Acts 2:38.

Shouldn't you do the same?

Yes, I've been saying for years that salvation is conditional: on condition that we repent of sin. The spiritual adolescents among us wrongly interpret that as "works based salvation" because they don't understand the meaning of words.

"Repentance" is a cognitive exercise - a choice we make to surrender our will to God's will, and choice is not works, it's thought. Works are simply the evidence of the choice we've made, according to 1 John 2:3-4 KJV.

Saying this to the OSAS, License to Sin, hyper-grace crowd is like pouring cold water on a sleeping man, and both react in the same manner for the same reason: they are furious at such a shocking revelation, and find their place of warmth and comfort is now anything but.