Christians and Jews are both anti Acts 2:38.
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Fake news.
16 He that believeth and is baptized shall be saved; but he that believeth not shall be damned.
And tell your CNN fake news preacher Truther said it.
No. I do not teach that. You are not hearing His words nor mine now, brother. Water baptism is for new believers that were Jews in taking the first step in being identified as His disciples by being water baptized in Jesus's name; not the first step towards salvation.
When one is born again of the Spirit by believing in Jesus Christ, they are saved. Gentiles got saved before water baptism. There is no denying that truth regardless of what your church is adamant about in teaching in misapplying Acts 2:38 to mean..
Probably should edit that as "without being water baptized" so as to be clear as not referring to the automatic baptism with the Holy Ghost when we come to & believe in Jesus Christ for when and how we were born again of the Spirit.
Lifelong_sinner
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WCF chpt 28, part 5.
“Although it be a great sin to contemn or neglect this ordinance, yet grace and salvation are not so inseparably annexed unto it, as that no person can be regenerated, or saved, without it; or, that all that are baptized are undoubtedly regenerated.”
proof that baptism is not required.
Was water baptism in the name of Jesus Christ for the remission of sins per Acts 2:38, or not?...
38 Then Peter said unto them, Repent, and be baptized every one of you in the name of Jesus Christ for the remission of sins, and ye shall receive the gift of the Holy Ghost.
Lifelong_sinner
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The church. In 1647.
You would do well to read it and actually learn good theology.
Confession of Faith: The Orthodox Presbyterian Church
38 Then Peter said unto them, Repent, and be baptized every one of you in the name of Jesus Christ for the remission of sins, and ye shall receive the gift of the Holy Ghost.
Acts 10:43 To him give all the prophets witness, that through his name whosoever believeth in him shall receive remission of sins. 44 While Peter yet spake these words, the Holy Ghost fell on all them which heard the word.
Ernest T. Bass
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LOL! No, it looks like you still don't get it. And now you're putting words in my mouth, which is never a good thing to do... :) Peter's reply in verse 38 is most certainly not a mere suggestion. But that doesn't make it a command.
Well, there's no other response to having been saved. You know, since salvation is of the Lord. This is how, as I said before, repeating the words of Peter from 2 Peter 1, we make our calling and election sure, or how we affirm it, both to others and to ourselves, and respond to it... on an ongoing basis. It is God's work in us, the fruit of the Spirit. Here's what's happening there in Acts 2, Truther:
The folks Peter is preaching to have heard his sermon and are now asking him, "Since God has done this for us, what should we do in response to Him?" And Peter, in response, says, "Repent and be baptized every one of you in the name of Jesus Christ for the forgiveness of your sins, and you will receive the gift of the Holy Spirit. Affirm what He has done for you ~ make your calling and election sure ~ publicly, to and for yourself and others, and give Him glory and honor and blessing and praise (and thanks, of course) for it. This is the only proper response."
Hey, in Acts 2:40, the Holy Spirit affirms exactly what I'm saying to you by saying, through Luke, "And with many other words (Peter) bore witness and continued to exhort them..."
Grace and peace to you. Especially grace, since in what I'm getting from you in this "conversation" there seems to be a dearth of it. But yeah, grace and peace to you.
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Some guy here suggested that the majority of our rituals weren't mystical enough.
There is no "gray area." Peter is very clear, and I have been, too. See above.
Grace and peace to you.
If you would get your head out of one piece of scripture at a time, you might see Acts 2:38 spans the salvation doctrine...
Luke 13:3I tell you, Nay: but, except ye repent, ye shall all likewise perish.
Mark 16:16 He that believeth and is baptized shall be saved...
Acts 4:12 Neither is there salvation in any other: for there is none other name under heaven given among men, whereby we must be saved.
Colossians 3:17 And whatsoever ye do in word or deed, do all in the name of the Lord Jesus, giving thanks to God and the Father by him.
Acts 22:16 And now why tarriest thou? arise, and be baptized, and wash away thy sins, calling on the name of the Lord.
John 3:5 Jesus answered, Verily, verily, I say unto thee, Except a man be born of water and of the Spirit, he cannot enter into the kingdom of God.
Acts 2:38 encapsulates all of the above:
Now when they heard this, they were pricked in their heart(they now believe), and said unto Peter and to the rest of the apostles, Men and brethren, what shall we do?
Acts 2:38 Then Peter said unto them, Repent, and be baptized every one of you in the name of Jesus Christ for the remission of sins, and ye shall receive the gift of the Holy Ghost. For the promise is unto you, and to your children, and to all that are afar off, even as many as the Lord our God shall call.
It is you that do not recognize what you are saying; you are implying that "belief in Jesus Christ alone does not save us, therefore Jesus is not the Savior, because we are also our own saviors when we get water baptized. Jesus could not save us until we got water baptized."
See how that comes across? But Paul deferred from water baptism to the preaching of the cross as anyone believing in Him is how we are saved.
1 Corinthians 1:17 For Christ sent me not to baptize, but to preach the gospel: not with wisdom of words, lest the cross of Christ should be made of none effect. 18 For the preaching of the cross is to them that perish foolishness; but unto us which are saved it is the power of God..... 21 For after that in the wisdom of God the world by wisdom knew not God, it pleased God by the foolishness of preaching to save them that believe.
If water baptism was necessary for salvation, then wouldn't Paul be preaching water baptism and the preaching of the cross? But no, he deferred from water baptism to preaching the cross alone as the power of God to save those that believe in Him.
Precious friends, all of this Confusion Could be avoided by simply
applying rules 2 & 5, of Bible study Rules, as follows:
Prophecy/Law for ISRAEL:
►►► The Twelve Were Sent to {water} baptize! ◄◄◄
The TWO Main (of 12) baptismS =
A) water, For remission of sins/induction into Israeli "priesthood!":
(Matthew_3:5-6; Mark_1:4; Luke_3:3; John_1:31; Especially Luke 7:29-30;
Acts_10:37; Matthew_28:19; Mark_16:16; Acts_2:38, 22:16; Ezekiel_36:25)
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B) WITH The Holy Spirit, Poured Out By CHRIST, for power, signs And wonders!
(Isaiah_44:3; Matthew_3:11; Mark_1:8, 16:17-18;
Luke_24:49; Acts_2:17-18, 38, 8:15-17, 11:16)
Prophecy/Law
Rightly Divided (2 Timothy 2:15) From “Things That DIFFER!” {online}:
Mystery/GRACE! =
our "apostle to the Gentiles" for The Body Of CHRIST:
►►► Paul Was Not Sent to {water} baptize! Why Not?: ◄◄◄
Today: Only ONE Baptism = "BY" The ONE Spirit = God's OPERATION,
Spiritually Identifying members In (The ONE Body Of) CHRIST!!
(Ephesians 4:5; Colossians_2:12; Galatians_3:27;
Romans_6:3-4; ►►► 1 Corinthians 12:13 ◄◄◄)
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Conclusion: God's ONE Baptism Today? = ONE
Is it not Possible That God's Answer Of "No water baptism, for
us Today," Under HIS Pure GRACE, absolutely vanquishes Satan's
{Many Severely DIVIDED denominations?} Confusion into oblivion!?
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FULL "study" of ALL Bible baptisms is here:
"Divider" Poll THIRTEEN Bible baptisms
LORD JESUS, thank You for This Precious Word Of Truth That Has Solved
my Confusion. May This Also be used for the Encouragement of Many others.
Amen.
Baptism was not his principal employment, though he had a commission in common with others to administer, and occasionally did it.
His main business was to preach the gospel, which included water baptism. Paul writes...
Romans 6:3 Know ye not, that so many of us as were baptized into Jesus Christ were baptized into his death?
[4] Therefore we are buried with him by baptism into death: that like as Christ was raised up from the dead by the glory of the Father, even so we also should walk in newness of life.
[5] For if we have been planted together in the likeness of his death, we shall be also in the likeness of his resurrection:
[6] Knowing this, that our old man is crucified with him, that the body of sin might be destroyed, that henceforth we should not serve sin.
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i got this message because in this thread there is preaching of a mystical ritual, instead of preaching Christ.
when an evangelist comes, why is the gospel preached instead of just standing at the door with a garden hose?
why is it a message - not a rite - that Cornelius was told by the angel, he would be saved by?
was the message: "perform this ritual!" ? was the command to be baptized before or after God declared them clean? remember Simon's vision.
what is the gospel?
is it Christ or is it some person doing a 'thing' ?
the message is Jesus is the Christ, this is who He is and this is what He has done
if you do not believe Him no human baptism is effectual to salvation.
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what are the ceremonies in the law?
the sacrifices, the sabbaths, the feasts, the observances, the tzitzit?
are they not commandments?
yet is the law not spiritual? does it not testify of Christ?
why did they paint the doorway with hyssop dipped in blood on Pascha? could God not see their hearts?
where do you get the idea that obeying God's commandments in the flesh is not a mystical action?
what, are your works disconnected from your spiritual walk?
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