Christians and Jews are both anti Acts 2:38.

[Christ4Me]

Hi,

"Repent, and be baptized every one of you in the name of Jesus Christ for the remission of sins"

There are come who try and change "for" to "because", that is, they try and make the verse read one is baptized because one already is saved, one already has sins remitted. They have one saved PRIOR to verse 38. If so, then why would Peter tell them to "save yourselves" in v40 if they were already saved prior to v38? And if they were saved PRIOR to v38 can someone pinpoint the verse to me in Acts 2 as the when/why they were saved at that point?

@Truther

The problem here is this same Peter shared the same gospel to the Gentiles and yet the remission of sins came by believing in Him plainly and they had received the baptism with the Holy Ghost at their salvation BEFORE water baptism. So water baptism has nothing to do with remission of sins.

Acts 10:43 To him give all the prophets witness, that through his name whosoever believeth in him shall receive remission of sins. 44 While Peter yet spake these words, the Holy Ghost fell on all them which heard the word. 45 And they of the circumcision which believed were astonished, as many as came with Peter, because that on the Gentiles also was poured out the gift of the Holy Ghost. 46 For they heard them speak with tongues, and magnify God. Then answered Peter, 47 Can any man forbid water, that these should not be baptized, which have received the Holy Ghost as well as we? 48 And he commanded them to be baptized in the name of the Lord. Then prayed they him to tarry certain days.

So you have to go back and read that in context for how the remission of sins came about for the Jews that had crucified Jesus in unbelief. The call to repent is to repent from unbelief by believing in Him is how they got the remission of sins since there is only one gospel.

 

[Truther]

@Truther

The problem here is this same Peter shared the same gospel to the Gentiles and yet the remission of sins came by believing in Him plainly and they had received the baptism with the Holy Ghost at their salvation BEFORE water baptism. So water baptism has nothing to do with remission of sins.

Acts 10:43 To him give all the prophets witness, that through his name whosoever believeth in him shall receive remission of sins. 44 While Peter yet spake these words, the Holy Ghost fell on all them which heard the word. 45 And they of the circumcision which believed were astonished, as many as came with Peter, because that on the Gentiles also was poured out the gift of the Holy Ghost. 46 For they heard them speak with tongues, and magnify God. Then answered Peter, 47 Can any man forbid water, that these should not be baptized, which have received the Holy Ghost as well as we? 48 And he commanded them to be baptized in the name of the Lord. Then prayed they him to tarry certain days.

So you have to go back and read that in context for how the remission of sins came about for the Jews that had crucified Jesus in unbelief. The call to repent is to repent from unbelief by believing in Him is how they got the remission of sins since there is only one gospel.

No problem.

Acts 2:38 water baptism is for the remission of sins.

Acts 10 water baptism is for the remission of sins.

Peter never cancelled remission of sins per water baptism.

Who taught you that?

Peter NEVER said "recieve the Holy Ghost for the remission of sins".

He said be baptized in the name of Jesus Christ for the remission of sins AND ye shall recive the gift of the Holy Ghost.

And means also.

The Holy Ghost was given to the Gentiles to get them to be baptized in the name of Jesus Christ for the remission of sins, not reject water baptism.

Modernists are nuts to teach that.

 

[Christ4Me]

No problem.

Acts 2:38 water baptism is for the remission of sins.

Acts 10 water baptism is for the remission of sins.

Peter never cancelled remission of sins per water baptism.

Who taught you that?

Peter NEVER said "recieve the Holy Ghost for the remission of sins".

He said be baptized in the name of Jesus Christ for the remission of sins AND ye shall recive the gift of the Holy Ghost.

And means also.

The Holy Ghost was given to the Gentiles to get them to be baptized in the name of Jesus Christ for the remission of sins, not reject water baptism.

Modernists are nuts to teach that.

The truth is that is what Peter taught to the Gentiles plainly for how the remission of sins was received by believing in Him. No mention of water baptism there for the remission of sins before they had received the promise of the holy Ghost at their salvation.

The fact that the Gentiles had received remission of sins & the Holy Ghost at their born again of the Spirit moment when they got saved, proves that water baptism has nothing to do with the remission for sins but believing in Jesus Christ does.

Therefore water baptism is an ordinance for saved believers to do afterwards as being disciples of Jesus Christ in following Him

 

[Ernest T. Bass]

@Truther

The problem here is this same Peter shared the same gospel to the Gentiles and yet the remission of sins came by believing in Him plainly and they had received the baptism with the Holy Ghost at their salvation BEFORE water baptism. So water baptism has nothing to do with remission of sins.

Acts 10:43 To him give all the prophets witness, that through his name whosoever believeth in him shall receive remission of sins. 44 While Peter yet spake these words, the Holy Ghost fell on all them which heard the word. 45 And they of the circumcision which believed were astonished, as many as came with Peter, because that on the Gentiles also was poured out the gift of the Holy Ghost. 46 For they heard them speak with tongues, and magnify God. Then answered Peter, 47 Can any man forbid water, that these should not be baptized, which have received the Holy Ghost as well as we? 48 And he commanded them to be baptized in the name of the Lord. Then prayed they him to tarry certain days.

So you have to go back and read that in context for how the remission of sins came about for the Jews that had crucified Jesus in unbelief. The call to repent is to repent from unbelief by believing in Him is how they got the remission of sins since there is only one gospel.

Hi,

You posted "same Peter shared the same gospel". If Peter told those in Acts 2 to repent AND be baptized but told those in Acts 10 to believe only then that is NOT the same gospel. In Acts 15 the Apostles discussed the issue if the Gentiles had to be circumcised to be saved. In this meeting Peter declared v11 "But we believe that we (Jews) shall be saved through the grace of the Lord Jesus, in like manner as they (Gentile)." So Jew and Gentile are saved in "like manner way", that being, both are commanded to be water baptized in the name of Jesus Christ for the remission of sins for the Jew (Acts of the Apostles 2:38) and Gentile (Acts of the Apostles 10:47-48).

Acts 2:38 ------- repent AND be baptized >>>>>>>>>>>>> for remission of sins
Acts 10:43------- believeth >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> remission of sins

Since there is but one way to be saved, no alternatives, then "believeth" must include both repenting and being baptized. For all the 'belief alone' in the world will not save the impenitent (Luke 13:3). This means "believeth" as in Acts 10:43, John 3:16 and other places is being employed as a synecdoche (a part for the whole) where the part "believe" stands for the whole (repent, confession and baptism). Another example, in 1 Peter 3:21 Peter declares baptism saves but this does NOT mean baptism ALONE saves no more than John 3:16 or Acts 10:43 mean belief alone saves. Here baptism is used as a synecdoche where baptism INCLUDES belief, repentance and confession. Repentance is said to result in life (Acts 11:18) but that does NOT mean repentance ALONE saves but repentance is a synecdoche where it includes belief, confession and baptism.

Back in the context of Acts 2, Acts 2:44 says "And all that believed were together". Who in the context of Acts 2 were the ones who are said to have "believed"? The ones NOT baptized or the ones baptized? Obviously the ones baptized who received the gospel word (Acts of the Apostles 2:41) were the ones who "believed" in v44. So "believed" of v44 is a synecdoche where it includes being baptized in v41.

 

[Christ4Me]

Hi,

You posted "same Peter shared the same gospel". If Peter told those in Acts 2 to repent AND be baptized but told those in Acts 10 to believe only then that is NOT the same gospel. In Acts 15 the Apostles discussed the issue if the Gentiles had to be circumcised to be saved. In this meeting Peter declared v11 "But we believe that we (Jews) shall be saved through the grace of the Lord Jesus, in like manner as they (Gentile)." So Jew and Gentile are saved in "like manner way", that being, both are commanded to be water baptized in the name of Jesus Christ for the remission of sins for the Jew (Acts 2:38) and Gentile (Acts 10:47-48).

Acts 2:38 ------- repent AND be baptized >>>>>>>>>>>>> for remission of sins
Acts 10:43------- believeth >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> remission of sins

Since there is but one way to be saved, no alternatives, then "believeth" must include both repenting and being baptized. For all the 'belief alone' in the world will not save the impenitent (Luke 13:3). This means "believeth" as in Acts 10:43, John 3:16 and other places is being employed as a synecdoche (a part for the whole) where the part "believe" stands for the whole (repent, confession and baptism). Another example, in 1 Peter 3:21 Peter declares baptism saves but this does NOT mean baptism ALONE saves no more than John 3:16 or Acts 10:43 mean belief alone saves. Here baptism is used as a synecdoche where baptism INCLUDES belief, repentance and confession. Repentance is said to result in life (Acts 11:18) but that does NOT mean repentance ALONE saves but repentance is a synecdoche where it includes belief, confession and baptism.

Back in the context of Acts 2, Acts 2:44 says "And all that believed were together". Who in the context of Acts 2 were the ones who are said to have "believed"? The ones NOT baptized or the ones baptized? Obviously the ones baptized who received the gospel word (Acts of the Apostles 2:41) were the ones who "believed" in v44. So "believed" of v44 is a synecdoche where it includes being baptized.

I understand your point of view for why you are holding to Acts 2:38 because of what your church had taught you, but since scripture does not go against scripture, you are missing what Peter says in how both Jews & Gentile receives the remission of sins, and it is by repenting from unbelief by believing in Him.

Otherwise, Jews that are Christians back then would be crying foul to God for giving the Gentiles the promise of the Holy Spirit before water baptism.

 

[Ernest T. Bass]

I understand your point of view for why you are holding to Acts 2:38 because of wat your church had taught you, but since scripture does not go against scripture, you are missing what Peter says in how both Jews & Gentile receives the remission of sins, and it is by repenting from unbelief by believing in Him.

Otherwise, Jews that are Christians back then would be crying foul to God for giving the Gentiles the promise of the Holy Spirit before water baptism.

I believe Acts 2:38 requires both repentance and baptism to have sins remitted because I chose for myself to believe it, not because anyone told me to believe it.

--you still have a contradiction yet to be clarified. Peter told those in Acts 2 to repent and be baptized for remission of sins and those in Acts 10 to believe to have remission of sins. Fact is Peter did not tell those in Acts 10 to believe only to be saved as those in Acts 2 were never told to believe only to be saved. Both Jew and Gentile were COMMANDED to be baptized therefore baptism being the like manner way Jew and Gentile are saved.

--if Acts 10:43, John 3:16 teach "belief only" to be saved, then 1 Peter 3:21 must teach "baptism only" to be saved, Acts 11:18 must teach "repentance only" to be saved. Those who hold to "belief only" are not being consistent in how they deal with various verses. They imagine the word "only" is some verses but not in other verses.

--Acts 11:14 "Who shall tell thee words, whereby thou and all thy house shall be saved." Peter tells us the Gentiles would be saved by words, the gospel words preached to them for the gospel is how men are saved (Romans 1:16). And those saving words included the COMMAND to be water baptized. The command alone made water baptism necessary for the Gentiles. Being baptized with the Holy Spirit therefore was NOT how the context says the Gentiles would be saved, no one was ever COMMANDED to be baptized with the Holy Spirit.

--Acts 10:47 "Can any man forbid water, that these (Gentiles) should not be baptized," It was always God's plan the gospel go first to the Jew then to the Gentile (Acts of the Apostles 13:46). It did go to the Jew first (Acts 2) then Gentile in (Acts 10). The Jew erroneously tho't salvation was only for them, the descendants of Abraham, and not for the Gentile 'dogs'. Yet Peter was given a vision in Acts 10 that the Gentile is "clean", God's way of showing salvation was to go to the Gentile. Therefore if any Jew tried to "forbid water" that is forbid water baptism for the Gentile he would being trying to thwart God's will in salvation going to the Gentile. For baptism is the means God has chosen to save men under the NT gospel as preached by Peter in Acts 2 and 10.

 

[Daniel Veler]

Baptisms


Why has there been so much controversy over water Baptism? It seems clear when Christ came it is written that he never baptize anyone. But yet he was by John. Understanding the the fulfillment of God’s word is important. When Christ came to John to receive his Baptism it was to fulfill God’s word. What was the word being fulfilled. John was sent as the forerunner to Christ. The Lord told him to prepare Israel to receive repentance. John made it clear to the ones he was baptizing that he was baptizing with water but Christ would Baptize them with the Holy Spirit. Now when Christ came to John, John wanted to receive his Baptism. But Christ said all righteousness must be fulfilled. What was being fulfilled was God’s command given to John. John was told by John the sign he would receive that his ministry was over was when he baptized one and the Holy Spirit would descend upon him. Then by Christ receiving the the Holy Spirit was the fulfillment of God’s word. Christ did not take over water Baptism from John but the Baptism or the receiving of the Holy Spirit.


Barnabas wrote concerning the Baptism of John when he said Israel would be baptized with a baptism that would not take away their sins. It was merely a sign unto the Jews. The Jews required a sign in order to understand.


Then you have Paul who made it clear that the Lord did not send him to Baptize but to preach the Gospel. He even said he thanked God that he only baptized a few and that’s it. Now if water Baptism was part of salvation way was not Paul instructed to continue you with it?


Those who preach or teach that water baptism is part of salvation would have to answer the question why did Christ not instruct Paul to continue water Baptism?


1 Corinthians 1:14


I thank God that I baptized none of you except Crispus and Gaius, so that no one may say that you were baptized in my name. (I did baptize also the household of Stephanas. Beyond that, I do not know whether I baptized anyone else.) For Christ did not send me to baptize but to preach the gospel, and not with words of eloquent wisdom, lest the cross of Christ be emptied of its power.


As Barnabas wrote:


Barnabas 11:1

But let us enquire whether the Lord took care to signify before hand

concerning the water and the cross. Now concerning the water it is

written in reference to Israel, how that they would not receive the

baptism which bringeth remission of sins, but would build for

themselves.


They take acts 2:38

Some say it was the great commission. But was it? The Lord told the Apostles to baptize in the Name of the Father, and the Name of the Son, and the Name of the Holy Ghost. But what did Peter say?


And Peter said to them, “Repent and be baptized every one of you in the name of Jesus Christ for the forgiveness of your sins,


The question needs to be asked is why did he not include the Father and the Holy Spirit? On the Day of Pentecost. Also Peter addressed only Israel who required a sign.


You can not come to full understanding of the truth unless you see a clear picture of what your talking about.


If you desire to know the truth pick something your wanting to know. Lookup everything written about it and put it together forming a complete picture of it. Always asking God for understanding.

 

[Truther]

The truth is that is what Peter taught to the Gentiles plainly for how the remission of sins was received by believing in Him. No mention of water baptism there for the remission of sins before they had received the promise of the holy Ghost at their salvation.

The fact that the Gentiles had received remission of sins & the Holy Ghost at their born again of the Spirit moment when they got saved, proves that water baptism has nothing to do with the remission for sins but believing in Jesus Christ does.

Therefore water baptism is an ordinance for saved believers to do afterwards as being disciples of Jesus Christ in following Him

Wrong...


44 While Peter yet spake these words, the Holy Ghost fell on all them which heard the word.

45 And they of the circumcision which believed were astonished, as many as came with Peter, because that on the Gentiles also was poured out the gift of the Holy Ghost.

46 For they heard them speak with tongues, and magnify God. Then answered Peter,

47 Can any man forbid water, that these should not be baptized, which have received the Holy Ghost as well as we?

48 And he commanded them to be baptized in the name of the Lord. Then prayed they him to tarry certain days.


He commanded saved saints to immediately be baptized?

I trow not.

 

[Lifelong_sinner]

Wrong...


44 While Peter yet spake these words, the Holy Ghost fell on all them which heard the word.

45 And they of the circumcision which believed were astonished, as many as came with Peter, because that on the Gentiles also was poured out the gift of the Holy Ghost.

46 For they heard them speak with tongues, and magnify God. Then answered Peter,

47 Can any man forbid water, that these should not be baptized, which have received the Holy Ghost as well as we?

48 And he commanded them to be baptized in the name of the Lord. Then prayed they him to tarry certain days.


He commanded saved saints to immediately be baptized?

I trow not.

baptism doesnt save. Only cults think it does.

 

[Christ4Me]

I believe Acts 2:38 requires both repentance and baptism to have sins remitted because I chose for myself to believe it, not because anyone told me to believe it.

Then your belief is not consistent with Peter's words to the Gentiles, because peter plainly said that by believing in Him is how any one really receives the remission of sins.

 

[Christ4Me]

Wrong...

He commanded saved saints to immediately be baptized?

I trow not.

You skipped verse 43 is why I hold to that contention because it opposes how you apply Acts 2:38 to mean.


43 To him give all the prophets witness, that through his name whosoever believeth in him shall receive remission of sins.

44 While Peter yet spake these words, the Holy Ghost fell on all them which heard the word.

45 And they of the circumcision which believed were astonished, as many as came with Peter, because that on the Gentiles also was poured out the gift of the Holy Ghost.

46 For they heard them speak with tongues, and magnify God. Then answered Peter,

47 Can any man forbid water, that these should not be baptized, which have received the Holy Ghost as well as we?

48 And he commanded them to be baptized in the name of the Lord. Then prayed they him to tarry certain days.

Since they got the Holy Spirit immediately afterwards for believing in Him is why water baptism isn't necessary for salvation for they were born again of the Spirit.

Water baptism is for believers to follow after they are born again, to identify themselves as disciples of Jesus Christ in being a follower of Him.

 

[Phoneman777]

I see many Christians attacking the Jewish beliefs for rejecting Christ but the reality is, that Christians that do not obey Acts 2:38 are as disobedient as the Jews that rejected Peter in the first century.

There is no difference to God.

We are either part of the 1st century church via Acts 2:38 obedience or we are not via disobedience to Acts 2:38.

If we disobey it, we are not of the 3000 at Pentecost, but we are as the Sanhedrin and it's "followers of God".

There is no grey area with God. Peter provided no grey area to the murderers of Jesus, nor to us in the modern world.

I am amazed at the voluntary blindness I see towards the solution to the sinners of Acts these days.

It would be a cold day in hell when most modern Christians would get baptized in the name of Jesus Christ for the remission of their sins as Peter commanded them in Acts 2:38.

Peter has been shunned by the Christian community right before the return of Christ, in these days.

Blindness in part has not just happened to Israel as per Romans 11, but to Christians also.

Plenty o' people getting baptized but not many repenting of sin. They go down dry pagans and come up wet pagans.

Baptism - whether in the name of Jesus or the Father/Son/Holy Spirit is totally meaningless if there's no repentance, and the only "spirit" these wet pagans recieve is the spirit of Satan with which they "heal", "speak in tongues", "prophesy", etc. but are as unknown to Jesus as is tofu ice cream to a fat kid. You can witness it every Sunday in many churches whose emphasis on "baptism of the Holy Spirit" is the paramount doctrine.

I wonder if they bothered to read Acts 5:32 KJV: "And we are His witnesses of these things, and so also is the Holy Ghost Whom God hath given to them that obey Him". There's that repentance from sin again ;)

 

[Christ4Me]

Plenty o' people getting baptized but not many repenting of sin. They go down dry pagans and come up wet pagans.

Baptism - whether in the name of Jesus or the Father/Son/Holy Spirit is totally meaningless if there's no repentance, and the only "spirit" these wet pagans recieve is the spirit of Satan with which they "heal", "speak in tongues", "prophesy", etc. but are as unknown to Jesus as is tofu ice cream to a fat kid. You can witness it every Sunday in many churches whose emphasis on "baptism of the Holy Spirit" is the paramount doctrine.

I wonder if they bothered to read Acts 5:32 KJV: "And we are His witnesses of these things, and so also is the Holy Ghost Whom God hath given to them that obey Him". There's that repentance from sin again ;)

You get the Holy Spirit by repenting from unbelief by believing in Him. That is the obeying of the gospel.

Sinners that are salves to sin needs to know not to look to themselves to repent when they tried to quit sinning on their own and can't because sin has dominion over their lives and so they walk away from those altar calls telling them to repent from all sins. So the call to repent is to repent from unbelief by believing in Him. Now that Jesus Christ has saved them and is in them, they have power to live as the sons of God. John 1:12-13 1 John 3:3 1 John 3:8 2 Timothy 4:18 & Jude 1:24-25

Discipleship is about living a life of repentance with God thru Jesus Christ by looking to the author & finisher of our faith to help us lay aside every weight & sin daily in running that race. Hebrews 12:1-2 This is so as to be received by the Bridegroom as that vessel unto honor in His House to attend the Marriage Supper in Heaven. This discipleship aka this race is not for obtaining salvation, but to avoid being a castaway ( 1 Corinthians 9:24-27 ) as in left behind and thus becoming "damned" as that vessel unto dishonor in His House. 2 Timothy 2:18-21 & 2 Timothy 2:10-13 2 Corinthians 5:7-11

One has to wonder why those who water baptized those individuals that you had described as unrepentant, did not do any teaching about discipleship since His disciples are to teach all things He has commanded us in living as His disciples to new believers.

Matthew 28:18 And Jesus came and spake unto them, saying, All power is given unto me in heaven and in earth. 19 Go ye therefore, and teach all nations, baptizing them in the name of the Father, and of the Son, and of the Holy Ghost: 20 Teaching them to observe all things whatsoever I have commanded you: and, lo, I am with you always, even unto the end of the world. Amen.

 

[Lifelong_sinner]

You get the Holy Spirit by repenting from unbelief by believing in Him. That is the obeying of the gospel.

Sinners that are salves to sin needs to know not to look to themselves to repent when they tried to quit sinning on their own and can't because sin has dominion over their lives and so they walk away from those altar calls telling them to repent from all sins. So the call to repent is to repent from unbelief by believing in Him. Now that Jesus Christ has saved them and is in them, they have power to live as the sons of God. John 1:12-13 1 John 3:3 1 John 3:8 2 Timothy 4:18 & Jude 1:24-25

Discipleship is about living a life of repentance with God thru Jesus Christ by looking to the author & finisher of our faith to help us lay aside every weight & sin daily in running that race. Hebrews 12:1-2 This is so as to be received by the Bridegroom as that vessel unto honor in His House to attend the Marriage Supper in Heaven. This discipleship aka this race is not for obtaining salvation, but to avoid being a castaway ( 1 Corinthians 9:24-27 ) as in left behind and thus becoming "damned" as that vessel unto dishonor in His House. 2 Timothy 2:18-21 & 2 Timothy 2:10-13 2 Corinthians 5:7-11

One has to wonder why those who water baptized those individuals that you had described as unrepentant, did not do any teaching about discipleship since His disciples are to teach all things He has commanded us in living as His disciples to new believers.

Matthew 28:18 And Jesus came and spake unto them, saying, All power is given unto me in heaven and in earth. 19 Go ye therefore, and teach all nations, baptizing them in the name of the Father, and of the Son, and of the Holy Ghost: 20 Teaching them to observe all things whatsoever I have commanded you: and, lo, I am with you always, even unto the end of the world. Amen.

this one’s easy. The reason for false conversion is because churches cant preach the real gospel today. Repentance? I doubt even half in any given church in America can tell you what repentance is. But dont take my word for it, heres a poll showing just how bad theology has gotten because of bad teaching.
The State of Theology

 

[Phoneman777]

You get the Holy Spirit by repenting from unbelief by believing in Him. That is the obeying of the gospel.

Sinners that are salves to sin needs to know not to look to themselves to repent when they tried to quit sinning on their own and can't because sin has dominion over their lives and so they walk away from those altar calls telling them to repent from all sins. So the call to repent is to repent from unbelief by believing in Him. Now that Jesus Christ has saved them and is in them, they have power to live as the sons of God. John 1:12-13 1 John 3:3 1 John 3:8 2 Timothy 4:18 & Jude 1:24-25

Discipleship is about living a life of repentance with God thru Jesus Christ by looking to the author & finisher of our faith to help us lay aside every weight & sin daily in running that race. Hebrews 12:1-2 This is so as to be received by the Bridegroom as that vessel unto honor in His House to attend the Marriage Supper in Heaven. This discipleship aka this race is not for obtaining salvation, but to avoid being a castaway ( 1 Corinthians 9:24-27 ) as in left behind and thus becoming "damned" as that vessel unto dishonor in His House. 2 Timothy 2:18-21 & 2 Timothy 2:10-13 2 Corinthians 5:7-11

One has to wonder why those who water baptized those individuals that you had described as unrepentant, did not do any teaching about discipleship since His disciples are to teach all things He has commanded us in living as His disciples to new believers.

Matthew 28:18 And Jesus came and spake unto them, saying, All power is given unto me in heaven and in earth. 19 Go ye therefore, and teach all nations, baptizing them in the name of the Father, and of the Son, and of the Holy Ghost: 20 Teaching them to observe all things whatsoever I have commanded you: and, lo, I am with you always, even unto the end of the world. Amen.

What about Acts 5:32 KJV?

 

[Christ4Me]

this one’s easy. The reason for false conversion is because churches cant preach the real gospel today. Repentance? I doubt even half in any given church in America can tell you what repentance is. But dont take my word for it, heres a poll showing just how bad theology has gotten because of bad teaching.
The State of Theology

@Phoneman777

Well I used to work with a woman that had believed she had to clean up her life first before coming to Jesus. I told her that is what Jesus came to do for us and not just to save us. She did not believe me. Later on, she must have talked to someone else and the next tome she had seen me, the joy of the Lord for her salvation was on her face and she seem to be testifying without saying so, in how the Lord was helping her not to sin.

I thank the Father in Jesus name for drawing her unto the Son in revealing His Son to her for all the hopes she can have in Jesus Christ to come to Him for.

So that is why I believe repenting from unbelief by believing in Jesus Christ to be saved is all a sinner needs to do, but it is also imperative to tell sinners that are seeking that Jesus can deliver them from their sins so that sin is longer having dominion over their lives so that when they come forward, they will place their hopes not only in Jesus for salvation, but also hope He will deliver them from their sins & keep them from their sins by leading them away from temptations and deliver them from the evil one because Thine is the kingdom, the power, and the glory forever. Amen.

 

[Christ4Me]

What about Acts 5:32 KJV?

@Lifelong_sinner

Since the reward for this "obedience" is the promise of the Holy Ghost and yet the remission of sins is given by believing in Him ( Acts 10:43-44 ) for how one is born again of the Spirit, John 3:7-18, then obeying the gospel by believing in Him is the truth.

Can you explain this reference?

Romans 11:26 And so all Israel shall be saved: as it is written, There shall come out of Sion the Deliverer, and shall turn away ungodliness from Jacob: 27 For this is my covenant unto them, when I shall take away their sins. 28 As concerning the gospel, they are enemies for your sakes: but as touching the election, they are beloved for the father's sakes. 29 For the gifts and calling of God are without repentance.

Preaching the gospel to them by believing in Jesus Christ is how they are saved, but that message should also include the hope that we have in Jesus Christ Who will deliver sinners from their sins so they can hope in Him for that too for when they call on Him to be saved.

I used to work with a woman that had believed she had to clean up her life first before coming to Jesus. I told her that is what Jesus came to do for us and not just to save us. She did not believe me. Later on, she must have talked to someone else and the next tome she had seen me, the joy of the Lord for her salvation was on her face and she seem to be testifying without saying so, in how the Lord was helping her not to sin.

I thank the Father in Jesus name for drawing her unto the son in revealing His Son to her for all the hopes she can have in Jesus Christ to come to Him for.

So that is why I believe repenting from unbelief by believing in Jesus Christ to be saved is all a sinner needs to do, but it is also imperative to tell sinners that are seeking that Jesus can deliver them from their sins so that sin is longer having dominion over their lives so that when they come forward, they will place their hopes not only in Jesus for salvation, but also hope He will deliver them from their sins & keep them from their sins by leading them away from temptations and deliver them from the evil one because Thine is the kingdom, the power, and the glory forever. Amen.

1 John 3:3 And every man that hath this hope in him purifieth himself, even as he is pure.... 8 He that committeth sin is of the devil; for the devil sinneth from the beginning. For this purpose the Son of God was manifested, that he might destroy the works of the devil.

2 Timothy 4:18 And the Lord shall deliver me from every evil work, and will preserve me unto his heavenly kingdom: to whom be glory for ever and ever. Amen.

Jude 1:24 Now unto him that is able to keep you from falling, and to present you faultless before the presence of his glory with exceeding joy, 25 To the only wise God our Saviour, be glory and majesty, dominion and power, both now and ever. Amen.

Romans 8:31 What shall we then say to these things? If God be for us, who can be against us? 32 He that spared not his own Son, but delivered him up for us all, how shall he not with him also freely give us all things?.... 37 Nay, in all these things we are more than conquerors through him that loved us.

P.S. I included my last response to Lifelong_sinner in with this post in case the tagging system does not work. I also tagged Lifelong_sinner to this post also.

 

[Lifelong_sinner]

@Phoneman777

Well I used to work with a woman that had believed she had to clean up her life first before coming to Jesus. I told her that is what Jesus came to do for us and not just to save us. She did not believe me. Later on, she must have talked to someone else and the next tome she had seen me, the joy of the Lord for her salvation was on her face and she seem to be testifying without saying so, in how the Lord was helping her not to sin.

I thank the Father in Jesus name for drawing her unto the son in revealing His Son to her for all the hopes she can have in Jesus Christ to come to Him for.

So that is why I believe repenting from unbelief by believing in Jesus Christ to be saved is all a sinner needs to do, but it is also imperative to tell sinners that are seeking that Jesus can deliver them from their sins so that sin is longer having dominion over their lives so that when they come forward, they will place their hopes not only in Jesus for salvation, but also hope He will deliver them from their sins & keep them from their sins by leading them away from temptations and deliver them from the evil one because Thine is the kingdom, the power, and the glory forever. Amen.

i had to read your post over and over. Took a break, then read it again. One of the most problematic questions i get asked often, is how will i know when i am saved. I get asked this more than i’d like to. There are 2 issues that i fight with concerning this question. 1. I grew up in the church. And 2. Can i really ever be saved for my continuing to sin.

1. i grew up in the church. Thats a problem. When we are young, we’re told from the beginning that the sun is yellow, the sky is blue, the grass is green, and for me, Jesus was real. As we grow up, we notice other kids also know these things. Theres never a time where i doubted any of these things. So theres never been a time where i doubted God’s existence. So if i am saved, when did it happen?? Most times we hear about conversion stories of people who never gave God any thought. So we see an actual change, from no thoughts to always thinking about God. For me, that never happened, at least as far back as i can remember.

2. i dont doubt that God has the power to change people, but for almost 3 yrs now, i have been trying to get saved, yet theres no change in me. Am i not of the elect?? Or was i converted early early in my life. I have no clue. Yet when i see how bad a sinner i am, day in day out, i think theres no way i am saved, while sinning like i do.
There you have it, apologies for the length.

 

[Ernest T. Bass]

Then your belief is not consistent with Peter's words to the Gentiles, because peter plainly said that by believing in Him is how any one really receives the remission of sins.

You do not take in consideration what Peter says in Acts 2:38 therefore create contradictions. Peter did not contradict himself by telling some to repent and be baptized to be saved then contradict that by telling others to believe alone to be saved. Can belief alone without repentance save? No. Therefore a 'one verse theology' always fails for it does not take in consideration ALL verses that deal with salvation. Acts 10:43 does not come close to exhausting all there is to know about salvation.

 

[Truther]

baptism doesnt save. Only cults think it does.

16 He that believeth and is baptized shall be saved; but he that believeth not shall be damned...

The like figure whereunto even baptism doth also now save us (not the putting away of the filth of the flesh, but the answer of a good conscience toward God,) by the resurrection of Jesus Christ

....Are these the baptism cults founders?