Christians and Jews are both anti Acts 2:38.

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In whom ye also trusted, after that ye heard the word of truth, the gospel of your salvation: in whom also after that ye believed, ye were sealed with that holy Spirit of promise.

It is the gospel of our salvation, not the baptism of our salvation.


Lets look at the command...

Luke 24:47 And that repentance and remission of sins should be preached in his name among all nations, beginning at Jerusalem.
[49] And, behold, I send the promise of my Father upon you: but tarry ye in the city of Jerusalem, until ye be endued with power from on high.

They seen Jesus ascend up into heaven. They then tarry at Jerusalem. And...

Acts 2:38 Then Peter said unto them, Repent, and be baptized every one of you in the name of Jesus Christ for the remission of sins, and ye shall receive the gift of the Holy Ghost.
[39] For the promise is unto you, and to your children, and to all that are afar off, even as many as the Lord our God shall call.


That was the birth of the New Testament church. We, today are still the New Testament church. Acts 2:38 is still the way to enter into the kingdom of God.

John 3:3 Jesus answered and said unto him, Verily, verily, I say unto thee, Except a man be born again, he cannot see the kingdom of God.
[5] Jesus answered, Verily, verily, I say unto thee, Except a man be born of water and of the Spirit, he cannot enter into the kingdom of God.
 

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Peter's command is not honored by the denominational church because they read the letters written to the saints and by-passed Acts 2
Exactly.

I can't even imagine for myself, ignoring Peter's command.

The Acts skipper is a major risk taker.

They have guts.
 

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Exactly.

I can't even imagine for myself, ignoring Peter's command.

The Acts skipper is a major risk taker.

They have guts.

its like they are jumping out of a plane and the command is to "pull the ripcord" and they reply, "that is a WORK"
 
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its like they are jumping out of a plane and the command is to "pull the ripcord" and they reply, "that is a WORK"
LOL!

"Easy believeism" is more like lazy unbelief.
 
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I have a question? Was Paul baptize with water or the Holy Spirit. The conversion of Paul is told in two different places in Act. The first account was not by Paul but the second account was by Paul himself. There is only one baptism. If you you say it takes water baptism to wash away your sin then you incorporated works into it and it is no longer grace. Paul had his sin washed away by calling on the name of the Lord.
 

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Lets look at the command...

Luke 24:47 And that repentance and remission of sins should be preached in his name among all nations, beginning at Jerusalem.
[49] And, behold, I send the promise of my Father upon you: but tarry ye in the city of Jerusalem, until ye be endued with power from on high.

They seen Jesus ascend up into heaven. They then tarry at Jerusalem. And...

Acts 2:38 Then Peter said unto them, Repent, and be baptized every one of you in the name of Jesus Christ for the remission of sins, and ye shall receive the gift of the Holy Ghost.
[39] For the promise is unto you, and to your children, and to all that are afar off, even as many as the Lord our God shall call.


That was the birth of the New Testament church. We, today are still the New Testament church. Acts 2:38 is still the way to enter into the kingdom of God.

John 3:3 Jesus answered and said unto him, Verily, verily, I say unto thee, Except a man be born again, he cannot see the kingdom of God.
[5] Jesus answered, Verily, verily, I say unto thee, Except a man be born of water and of the Spirit, he cannot enter into the kingdom of God.
That was the birth of the New Testament church.

That is a traditional Christian teaching that is just as valid as Jesus being born on Christmas day.

The beginning of the church was at the beginning of the generation of Jesus Christ, and His coming into the world.

The first known member of His risen body in Scripture, was Mary Magdeleno:

Jesus saith unto her, Mary. She turned herself, and saith unto him, Rabboni; which is to say, Master. Jesus saith unto her, Touch me not; for I am not yet ascended to my Father: but go to my brethren, and say unto them, I ascend unto my Father, and your Father; and to my God, and your God. Mary Magdalene came and told the disciples that she had seen the Lord, and that he had spoken these things unto her.

She believed in the resurrected Christ as Lord, and confessed it to Him, and then witnessed it to others: Jesus began to build His church as He promised upon His faith confessed from the mouth, not by water baptism, which commandment of the Lord is obeyed by them that are saved by grace through faith.

Acts 2 is the beginning of the Holy Ghost Baptism being poured out upon the believing members of the body of Christ.

No man receives the Spirit of Christ but by first being saved and washed clean in His blood to receive the Spirit into a clean heart.

And none of the apostles and disciples of Jesus are said to have partook of the water Baptism Peter preached: only they who heard and gladly recieved the Word were then baptized in water.

Your false doctrine condemns the apostles as unsaved.
 

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I have a question? Was Paul baptize with water or the Holy Spirit. The conversion of Paul is told in two different places in Act. The first account was not by Paul but the second account was by Paul himself. There is only one baptism. If you you say it takes water baptism to wash away your sin then you incorporated works into it and it is no longer grace. Paul had his sin washed away by calling on the name of the Lord.
Paul was baptized with water and also received the Holy Ghost.

17 And Ananias went his way, and entered into the house; and putting his hands on him said, Brother Saul, the Lord, even Jesus, that appeared unto thee in the way as thou camest, hath sent me, that thou mightest receive thy sight, and be filled with the Holy Ghost.

18 And immediately there fell from his eyes as it had been scales: and he received sight forthwith, and arose, and was baptized.
 

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Acts 2:38 is the very first command to sinners from the Apostle Peter on how to be saved. You guys disagree with Peter and want nothing to do with it. I just can’t imagine why?
No Christian, if they are indeed a Christian, ignores Peter in any way, or "skips Acts." Both are ridiculous suppositions.

But Peter ~ like any mere man (or woman) ~ though he was a disciple of Christ Jesus and then an apostle, could not give commands in anywhere near the same sense that God/Jesus could (and did). It is absolutely true that Peter was indeed telling his listeners (and us, by extension) ~ preaching to them (us) concerning ~ how to be saved. It is an exhortation, not a command. There were only ten commandments (although very, very far reaching, as Jesus clarified with all His "You have heard it said that... but I tell you"s... :) And then Jesus said, of course, that 1.) loving God with all your heart, mind, soul and strength, and 2.) loving your neighbor as yourself, were the greatest commandments, the commandments that the whole law rests on. But again, Peter was exhorting his hearers, as all preachers do.

Lets look at the command...

Luke 24:47 And that repentance and remission of sins should be preached in his name among all nations, beginning at Jerusalem.
[49] And, behold, I send the promise of my Father upon you: but tarry ye in the city of Jerusalem, until ye be endued with power from on high.

They seen Jesus ascend up into heaven. They then tarry at Jerusalem. And...

Acts 2:38 Then Peter said unto them, Repent, and be baptized every one of you in the name of Jesus Christ for the remission of sins, and ye shall receive the gift of the Holy Ghost.
[39] For the promise is unto you, and to your children, and to all that are afar off, even as many as the Lord our God shall call.


That was the birth of the New Testament church. We, today are still the New Testament church. Acts 2:38 is still the way to enter into the kingdom of God.

John 3:3 Jesus answered and said unto him, Verily, verily, I say unto thee, Except a man be born again, he cannot see the kingdom of God.
[5] Jesus answered, Verily, verily, I say unto thee, Except a man be born of water and of the Spirit, he cannot enter into the kingdom of God.
Again, not a command, but an exhortation to take hold of the promise, to rest in it. And those that the Lord God calls will, in God's time, take hold of it.

Grace and peace to all.
 

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Acts 21...12 And one Ananias, a devout man according to the law, having a good report of all the Jews which dwelt there,

13 Came unto me, and stood, and said unto me, Brother Saul, receive thy sight. And the same hour I looked up upon him.

14 And he said, The God of our fathers hath chosen thee, that thou shouldest know his will, and see that Just One, and shouldest hear the voice of his mouth.

15 For thou shalt be his witness unto all men of what thou hast seen and heard.

16 And now why tarriest thou? arise, and be baptized, and wash away thy sins, calling on the name of the Lord.
 

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No Christian, if they are indeed a Christian, ignores Peter in any way, or "skips Acts." Both are ridiculous suppositions.

But Peter ~ like any mere man (or woman) ~ though he was a disciple of Christ Jesus and then an apostle, could not give commands in anywhere near the same sense that God/Jesus could (and did). It is absolutely true that Peter was indeed telling his listeners (and us, by extension) ~ preaching to them (us) concerning ~ how to be saved. It is an exhortation, not a command. There were only ten commandments (although very, very far reaching, as Jesus clarified with all His "You have heard it said that... but I tell you"s... :) And then Jesus said, of course, that 1.) loving God with all your heart, mind, soul and strength, and 2.) loving your neighbor as yourself, were the greatest commandments, the commandments that the whole law rests on. But again, Peter was exhorting his hearers, as all preachers do.


Again, not a command, but an exhortation to take hold of the promise, to rest in it. And those that the Lord God calls will, in God's time, take hold of it.

Grace and peace to all.
God does not suggest. He commands.

Peter commanded sinners to obey God per Acts 2:38 to find remission of sins as per Jesus' command.."and that repentance and remission of sins would be preached in his name starting at Jerusalem".
 
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That was the birth of the New Testament church.

That is a traditional Christian teaching that is just as valid as Jesus being born on Christmas day.

The beginning of the church was at the beginning of the generation of Jesus Christ, and His coming into the world.

The first known member of His risen body in Scripture, was Mary Magdeleno:

Jesus saith unto her, Mary. She turned herself, and saith unto him, Rabboni; which is to say, Master. Jesus saith unto her, Touch me not; for I am not yet ascended to my Father: but go to my brethren, and say unto them, I ascend unto my Father, and your Father; and to my God, and your God. Mary Magdalene came and told the disciples that she had seen the Lord, and that he had spoken these things unto her.

She believed in the resurrected Christ as Lord, and confessed it to Him, and then witnessed it to others: Jesus began to build His church as He promised upon His faith confessed from the mouth, not by water baptism, which commandment of the Lord is obeyed by them that are saved by grace through faith.

Acts 2 is the beginning of the Holy Ghost Baptism being poured out upon the believing members of the body of Christ.

No man receives the Spirit of Christ but by first being saved and washed clean in His blood to receive the Spirit into a clean heart.

And none of the apostles and disciples of Jesus are said to have partook of the water Baptism Peter preached: only they who heard and gladly recieved the Word were then baptized in water.

Your false doctrine condemns the apostles as unsaved.


Lets take a look...

Acts 2:36 Therefore let all the house of Israel know assuredly, that God hath made the same Jesus, whom ye have crucified, both Lord and Christ.
Acts 2:37 Now when they heard this, they were pricked in their heart, and said unto Peter and to the rest of the apostles, Men and brethren, what shall we do?

Acts 2:38 Then Peter (robert derrick) said unto them, Repent, and be baptized every one of you in the name of Jesus Christ for the remission of sins, and ye shall receive the gift of the Holy Ghost Well I see you now BELIEVE, therefor do NOTHING. You are all saved, go home and be warmed and filled.
 

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God does not suggest. He commands.
Agree. Absolutely. That's what I said in my previous post, basically.[/QUOTE]

Peter commanded sinners to obey God per Acts 2:38 to find remission of sins as per Jesus' command.."and that repentance and remission of sins would be preached in his name starting at Jerusalem".
Peter exhorted. And still does, in Acts and in his epistles. He was urging his hearers (and us) to "work out (their/our) own salvation with fear and trembling," as Paul puts it in Philippians 2, and to "confirm (their/our) calling and election," as Peter himself puts it in 2 Peter 1.

Grace and peace to you.

I have a question? Was Paul baptized with water or the Holy Spirit.
Well, both, I'm sure. But the only one really effectual is that by the Holy Spirit. Baptism by water is not effectual unto salvation, but only ~ "only"... <chuckle> ~ a sign and seal of the promise of God, an affirmation given by the "baptizee" and a great encouragement in the Lord for all of the witnesses of that water baptism, that the promise of God is true in both cases. Again, the effectual baptism is the one administered by the Spirit.

There is only one baptism. If you you say it takes water baptism to wash away your sin then you incorporated works into it and it is no longer grace.
Absolutely.

Paul had his sin washed away by calling on the name of the Lord.
Well, he had his sin washed away, like all believers, because the Lord made it so. And his water baptism was his own affirmation of that. And an encouragement to all those who witnessed it.

Grace and peace!
 
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Paul was baptized with water and also received the Holy Ghost.

17 And Ananias went his way, and entered into the house; and putting his hands on him said, Brother Saul, the Lord, even Jesus, that appeared unto thee in the way as thou camest, hath sent me, that thou mightest receive thy sight, and be filled with the Holy Ghost.

18 And immediately there fell from his eyes as it had been scales: and he received sight forthwith, and arose, and was baptized.


That’s not how it goes. He said arise and be baptized and was away your sins calling on the name of the Lord.
The you have Paul saying this:

I thank God that I baptized none of you except Crispus and Gaius, so that no one may say that you were baptized in my name. (I did baptize also the household of Stephanas. Beyond that, I do not know whether I baptized anyone else.) For Christ did not send me to baptize but to preach the gospel, and not with words of eloquent wisdom, lest the cross of Christ be emptied of its power.

Now don’t you think if water baptism was essential to salvation Paul would have continued it
 

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Lets take a look...

Acts 2:36 Therefore let all the house of Israel know assuredly, that God hath made the same Jesus, whom ye have crucified, both Lord and Christ.
Acts 2:37 Now when they heard this, they were pricked in their heart, and said unto Peter and to the rest of the apostles, Men and brethren, what shall we do?

Acts 2:38 Then Peter (robert derrick) said unto them, Repent, and be baptized every one of you in the name of Jesus Christ for the remission of sins, and ye shall receive the gift of the Holy Ghost Well I see you now BELIEVE, therefor do NOTHING. You are all saved, go home and be warmed and filled.
Acts skippers are scripturally bizarre.
 

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I see many Christians attacking the Jewish beliefs for rejecting Christ but the reality is, that Christians that do not obey Acts 2:38 are as disobedient as the Jews that rejected Peter in the first century.
The context demonstrates that one is not a Christian unless, until one FIRST obeys Acts 2:38 THEN one becomes a Christian. For one is lost and remains lost in sin until one FIRST obeys by repenting and being baptized.

Acts of the Apostles 2:41 "They then that received his word were baptized:..."

This logically infers that those who rejected Peter's gospel message were not baptized. Therefore it can be concluded that rejecting being baptized is rejection of the gospel message. Being baptized is receiving the gospel message.
 
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The context demonstrates that one is not a Christian unless, until one FIRST obeys Acts 2:38 THEN one becomes a Christian. For one is lost and remains lost in sin until one FIRST obeys by repenting and being baptized.

Acts of the Apostles 2:41 "They then that received his word were baptized:..."

This logically infers that those who rejected Peter's gospel message were not baptized. Therefore it can be concluded that rejecting being baptized is rejection of the gospel message. Being baptized is receiving the gospel message.
Excellent post!
 

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Excellent post!
Hi,

"Repent, and be baptized every one of you in the name of Jesus Christ for the remission of sins"

There are come who try and change "for" to "because", that is, they try and make the verse read one is baptized because one already is saved, one already has sins remitted. They have one saved PRIOR to verse 38. If so, then why would Peter tell them to "save yourselves" in v40 if they were already saved prior to v38? And if they were saved PRIOR to v38 can someone pinpoint the verse to me in Acts 2 as the when/why they were saved at that point?

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Also, in v38 Peter binds repentance to baptism with the conjunction "and" making both of equal necessity, importance. This would mean if one is baptized BECAUSE one is already saved then it would also be true one repents BECAUSE one is already saved. They then have the unrepentant saved when Paul so those who will not repent will be lost (Romans 2:4-5).

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Both verbs 'repent" and "be baptized" being imperatives makes them both commands. The fact both are commanded make both necessary to salvation if for no other reason because disobeying God's commands is committing sin, transgressing God's law in doing UNrighteousness.

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Lastly 'be baptized' is passive voice meaning the action is done to the subject. Therefore baptism is not a work man does but something man submits himself to. Man submits himself to God in baptism and it is God Who is doing the work in cutting away the body of sin, (Colossians 2:12). You want a hair cut, so you go to the barber and submit yourself to the barber sitting in the barber chair while it is the barber who is doing the work while you are completely passive. Yet the barber does not do the work of cutting your hair unless, until you submit yourself to him. Likewise God does not do the work of cutting away the body of sin unless, until one submits himself to God in baptism. So the Bible does not define baptism as a work man does in an attempt to merit salvation for it is God Who is at work while man is passive.
 
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Hi,

"Repent, and be baptized every one of you in the name of Jesus Christ for the remission of sins"

There are come who try and change "for" to "because", that is, they try and make the verse read one is baptized because one already is saved, one already has sins remitted. They have one saved PRIOR to verse 38. If so, then why would Peter tell them to "save yourselves" in v40 if they were already saved prior to v38? And if they were saved PRIOR to v38 can someone pinpoint the verse to me in Acts 2 as the when/why they were saved at that point?

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Also, in v38 Peter binds repentance to baptism with the conjunction "and" making both of equal necessity, importance. This would mean if one is baptized BECAUSE one is already saved then it would also be true one repents BECAUSE one is already saved. They then have the unrepentant saved when Paul so those who will not repent will be lost (Romans 2:4-5).

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Both verbs 'repent" and "be baptized" being imperatives makes them both commands. The fact both are commanded make both necessary to salvation if for no other reason because disobeying God's commands is committing sin, transgressing God's law in doing UNrighteousness.

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Lastly 'be baptized' is passive voice meaning the action is done to the subject. Therefore baptism is not a work man does but something man submits himself to. Man submits himself to God in baptism and it is God Who is doing the work in cutting away the body of sin, (Colossians 2:12). You want a hair cut, so you go to the barber and submit yourself to the barber sitting in the barber chair while it is the barber who is doing the work while you are completely passive. Yet the barber does not do the work of cutting your hair unless, until you submit yourself to him. Likewise God does not do the work of cutting away the body of sin unless, until one submits himself to God in baptism. So the Bible does not define baptism as a work man does in an attempt to merit salvation for it is God Who is at work while man is passive.
This post is fantastic. I wish everyone would read it and think hard!