Christ Died for All

[One 2 question]

I can't think of any bible passage that would support your view

Why does my view have to be in the bible? Who said it does? That's an assumption at best isnt it?

that someone in hell can find it within themselves to repent and be saved from the punishment their sin deserves.

They absolutely will, to the glory of God and for His pleasure. This is so amazingly brilliant!

To the contrary, the bible describes those in hell as blaspheming while they suffer the torment of fire and that just keeps adding more coals of fire to their heads.

Until ALL those in the LOF repent they will remain there. But when they eventually do they will be reconciled to their Creator.

The Divine Creators love is irresistible. ALL will be drawn to Him Who is LOVE.

God doesn't break His promises or go back on His Word, nor does He ever change His mind about anything.

Do you know God's Word exhaustively? That is, every word that proceeds from the mouth of God? If you do than you continue. Instruct us of the Creators eternal purpose in every detail. I would love to get to know it all.

If He saves you

I was born in Adam and deserve to go to hell. I sinned and the consequences is therefore eternity hell.

But are you saying that God had other plans for me and His creation?

That God would change His mind and create a way of escape?

, then nothing can ever snatch you out of His hand,

Correct. Now that He has grabbed me and taken me off the highway that leads to hell, I am safe and secure within Him.

because there is nobody greater than Him.

Yes, He is the sovereign Creator

But if your salvation is dependent on your ability to stay saved, then you're already doomed to fail.

It's His salvation of me. He chose me remember. I just responded with the faith He gave me.

It was all Him. He opened my eyes to His truth He gave me. He gave me the ability to respond.

What He does with me is up to Him because He purchased me not me Him. I belong to Him, I don't belong to myself. I did not redeem myself, He redeemed me, He reconciled me to Himself.

Hebrews 10:26-27 "For if we sin willfully after we have received the knowledge of the truth, there no longer remains a sacrifice for sins, but a certain fearful expectation of judgment, and fiery indignation which will devour the adversaries."

Sure. Who He judges and how, is again up to Him. I have absolutely no say in how He will pass jugdment on you or me.

 

[Berean]

The blind guides tell all they are going to heaven. The little flock and the great crowd--Its they who are wrong because they don't listen to Jesus-Matt 5:5-Blessed are the meek (great crowd) for they will inherit the Earth.

Well, I'm not a blind guide, as I don't believe everybody goes to heaven.

Why do you quote scripture and insert words that are not there, creating a false theology?

 

[Eternally Grateful]

Acts 3:19==Turn around= stop doing the sins
1Cor 6:9-11--This is what some of you were= past tense-these turned around and stopped doing the sins.

actually in 1 cor. it does not say they stopped. It says they were washed, sanctified and justified.

11 And such were some of you. But you were washed, but you were sanctified, but you were justified in the name of the Lord Jesus and by the Spirit of our God.

 

[Eternally Grateful]

Jesus died to buy back what Adam had lost for mankind. Adam bought sin and death. Jesus bought life everlasting in perfection for those who obey.= Few on this earth.

how good is good enough?

 

[Eternally Grateful]

If Christ died for all, then it means that He's a liar. Why would He die for someone and then cast them into the lake of fire to be tormented forever.
It just doesn't make any sense, I don't share your view that Jesus would die to save someone, only to go back on His promise and torment them in the lake of fire instead.

He died for all\

ALL sin will be forgiven all men.

He who believes is not condemned, he who does not believe is condemned already

He sends the unbeliever to hell. because they did not believe

 

[Eternally Grateful]

Yet when those in the lake of fire eventually repent and seek their Creators forgiveness, the blood of the Christ will cleanse them ALL of all their sin. Then all will be reconciled to their wonderful, gracious, loving Creator.

Why would God show mercy and extend His grace to these sinners in the LOF? Because He's not willing for any to be seperated from Him and that all to be saved from a never ending suffering and torment and join Him in His never ending kingdom.

Wow.

You are giving people false hope my friend. there is no repentance after death.

 

[Eternally Grateful]

Jesus teaches--FEW will find the road that leads off into life. Why? Because the world hates his followers. Why? Because they are no part of this world= no voting for corrupt politicians, no killing their human family members for mortal govts. No participating in the pagan filled holidays. Etc. Thus they do not fit in to what the world calls normal.

The world hates us because we represent God. who is against them.

Not because we are good people.

there are no righteous. no not one

 

[Eternally Grateful]

John 15:10-14= To remain in Jesus' love and remain his friend one must obey, just as he must obey his Father to remain in his love.

again, How good is good enough

How good does one have to be to earn salvation?

 

[Eternally Grateful]

Only 144,000 make up the little flock.

lol.. I am prety sure there were 144000 people from moses to Daniel who made it alone.. I guess heaven is closed off for now

 

[Eternally Grateful]

I know 100% that Jesus is the one God sent= the Messiah. God sent him, God did not come.(John 3:16,17

Jesus called himself God

the jews tried to stone him multiple times for declairing himself to be God.

If he is a mere man, we are still dead in our sin

 

[soberxp]

Jesus dead for all, since Jesus Christ is the second Adam, God gaves all human beings in the hand of Jesus Christ.

Only Satan will continue to accuse humanity of sin, because this is what he wants, not what God wants.

 

[One 2 question]

Only 144,000 make up the little flock.

John was told of a number of 144,000 made up of 12 tribes of 12,000 people.

Rev 7:4 I heard the number of those who were sealed. One hundred and forty-four thousand of all the tribes of the children of Israel were sealed: of the tribe of Judah twelve thousand were sealed;
5 of the tribe of Reuben twelve thousand were [a]sealed;
of the tribe of Gad twelve thousand were sealed;
6 of the tribe of Asher twelve thousand were sealed;
of the tribe of Naphtali twelve thousand were sealed;
of the tribe of Manasseh twelve thousand were sealed;
7 of the tribe of Simeon twelve thousand were sealed;
of the tribe of Levi twelve thousand were sealed;
of the tribe of Issachar twelve thousand were sealed;
8 of the tribe of Zebulun twelve thousand were sealed;
of the tribe of Joseph twelve thousand were sealed;
of the tribe of Benjamin twelve thousand were sealed.human beings numbering 144,000. And who they were. 12,000 from 12 named tribes.

 

[Behold]

When you say 'except'; that's not everybody...

Everyone is offered The Cross of Christ for the last 2000 yrs..... as the offer of Salvation is Universal.....but not everyone is going to trust in Christ.
Hell is filling up for the last 2000 yrs with people who never trusted in Christ, but they were all offered the opportunity.

The person themselves is responsible regarding what they so with their Free Will.

 

[One 2 question]

Everyone is offered The Cross of Christ for the last 2000 yrs..... as the offer of Salvation is Universal.....but not everyone is going to trust in Christ.
Hell is filling up for the last 2000 yrs with people who never trusted in Christ, but they were all offered the opportunity.

The person themselves is responsible regarding what they so with their Free Will.

How does God determine on what date to close the door on this age?

Like in Noah's day, when God chose a date and time of day to stop giving humans an opportunity to be saved.

The poor young children never had a chance of being saved, not knowing what was going on, not understanding the implications of what Noah was preaching.

Or is the cut off determined by when the last person from the last tribe on earth is redeemed?

 

[Eternally Grateful]

How does God determine on what date to close the door on this age?

Like in Noah's day, when God chose a date and time of day to stop giving humans an opportunity to be saved.

The poor young children never had a chance of being saved, not knowing what was going on, not understanding the implications of what Noah was preaching.

Or is the cut off determined by when the last person from the last tribe on earth is redeemed?

Good Golly. Noah preached to them for 1000 years. and they had no chance?

Once the door was shut by God. Their chances of salvation was over, for all eternity

 

[Berean]

lol.. I am prety sure there were 144000 people from moses to Daniel who made it alone.. I guess heaven is closed off.

Actually, heaven to limited to Christians not Old Testament servants. John the Baptist being the last

 

[Eternally Grateful]

Actually, heaven to limited to Christians not Old Testament servants. John the Baptist being the last

Ah.. So abraham, King David and All the great OY prophets will not be in heaven?

sorry bro. I can not buy that

 

[Berean]

Ah.. So abraham, King David and All the great OY prophets will not be in heaven?

sorry bro. I can not buy that

Can you show me in scripture where it says they will?

“Assuredly, I say to you, among those born of women there has not risen one greater than John the Baptist; but he who is least in the kingdom of heaven is greater than he." Matthew 11:11

 

[Eternally Grateful]

Can you show me in scripture where it says they will?

can you show me where the OT prophets will not?

“Assuredly, I say to you, among those born of women there has not risen one greater than John the Baptist; but he who is least in the kingdom of heaven is greater than he." Matthew 11:11

And? this says nothing about who will be in heavens or not.. This earth will no longer exist. where will the OT believers be located?

 

[PS95]

can you show me where the OT prophets will not?

And? this says nothing about who will be in heavens or not.. This earth will no longer exist. where will the OT believers be located?

And I say to you that many will come from east and west, and recline at the table with Abraham, Isaac, and Jacob in the kingdom of heaven;
Matt 8:11

In that place there will be weeping and gnashing of teeth when you see Abraham, Isaac, Jacob, and all the prophets in the kingdom of God, but yourselves being thrown out.
Luke 13:28