Charismatic Bible Studies - 2 Peter 1:5-11

[amigo de christo]

Having the ability to choose at least some things - what we eat, wear, live, but not when we live or die, or who is our family, or, we cannot choose to flap our arms and fly to the moon, that is ourside our nature. So "free will" is very limited.

Yes, certainly it is important to have your fellowship in the body of Christ and not unbelievers.

Even so, none of these thing, nor do the Scriptures you've posted, show that the born again may become unborn again.

Comparing ourselves to Adam is fruitless, because we are not given the information that we'd need to make any meaningful comparison. It's appropriation to try to do that. You have to fill in the details that make your case, and that's not valid.


Do you think Jesus said what was not true? That Jesus had actually once known them, and no longer does? No. "I never knew you."

Much love!

Anyone who goes into the all inclusive interfaith false love lie that implies all religoins serve the same GOD we do
and believes muslims and other religoins are serving GOD ,
WERE EITHER NEVER OF US , or will repent of the lie that start exposing satans finding common ground interfaith lie .
NO SHEEP denies THE FACT one must BELIEVE JESUS IS THE CHRIST . THAT HE IS INDEED THE SON OF GOD
and the ONLY name whereby one may be saved and that YE MUST BELIEVE.
ONLY the decieved would do such a thing . AND Its also why i warn those even caught up in that
TO GET THE HECK OUT OF IT . NOW enough with this idea its okay to be mormon , jw , RCC . THAT TOO IS DEAD WRONG .
We must pull people OUT of such places and remind them to GET IN the BIBLE for their own selves .
SO watch out . this judge not correct not , HAS GOT TO GO and GO RIGHT NOW .
let the men who warn ALONE and at least pray for such .

 

[marks]

Also, these are the only teachings in the NT that say the rich cannot enter eternal life if they don't sell all they have and distribute to the poor.

It doesn't say that. You can see for yourself:

Mark 10:20-27 KJV
20) And he answered and said unto him, Master, all these have I observed from my youth.
21) Then Jesus beholding him loved him, and said unto him, One thing thou lackest: go thy way, sell whatsoever thou hast, and give to the poor, and thou shalt have treasure in heaven: and come, take up the cross, and follow me.
22) And he was sad at that saying, and went away grieved: for he had great possessions.
23) And Jesus looked round about, and saith unto his disciples, How hardly shall they that have riches enter into the kingdom of God!
24) And the disciples were astonished at his words. But Jesus answereth again, and saith unto them, Children, how hard is it for them that trust in riches to enter into the kingdom of God!
25) It is easier for a camel to go through the eye of a needle, than for a rich man to enter into the kingdom of God.
26) And they were astonished out of measure, saying among themselves, Who then can be saved?
27) And Jesus looking upon them saith, With men it is impossible, but not with God: for with God all things are possible.

Much love!

 

[amigo de christo]

A Born Again can never be un- birthed from the Spirit...they are on that narrow path,because they were chosen by God and predestined to become his child and belong to Jesus... of course we have to walk that path and through walking that path, the Living Spirit who indwell s our spirit, teaches us to stay on that path...of course we can step off the path of life and walk in self, but, God has his children in the palm of his hand ...he will always get us back on that narrow path, because we are his spirit children.we belong to Jesus we are his 100% ..he owns us and we were brought for a price, which was the death and resurrection of Jesus.

If the Father has given those from him to the Son, he will never lose one...Praise God...we are being conformed to become more and more like Jesus from the Living Spirit who indwells our spirit.

NONE CAN EVER PLUCK US OUT OF JESUS HANDS.

John 10:28-30​

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King James Version​

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28 And I give unto them eternal life; and they shall never perish, neither shall any man pluck them out of my hand.
29 My Father, which gave them me, is greater than all; and no man is able to pluck them out of my Father's hand.
30 I and my Father are one

Therre is a problem , however my dear sister . And its a huge one too .
And it is this . NOT ALL WHO CLIAM TO BE BORN again are BORN again .
We cannot preach two gospels . NO born again sheep will do so . AND if some get caught up
we must do as paul did and warn and remind them THERE IS NOT TWO GOSPELS .
cause i am seeing many who cliam to BE HIS
headed right into interfaith all inclusive , SISTER THAT MESS IS OF ANTI CHRIST .
OF SATAN . and may i be long dead and stinking in the soil before i say otherwise . THOUGH it will only
be this body that lies stinking and rotting , FOR THIS SHEEP GONNA BE WITH THE KING WHO SAVED IT
AS WILL ALL WHO are HIS .
I am worn out with this inclusive lie that has made the road to GOD so broad
that about the only ones not on it , ARE MEN LIKE ME WHO EXPOSE THIS LIE and do correct sin and error
WHO DO REMIND ALL that one MUST BELIEVE and that all other religoins are in darkness .
THAT IS WHO this lovey DO is coming against sister . MEN Like me who wont conform and wont budge .
I hope that helps .

 

[marks]

Of course, I am serious. I looked up all the accounts in the gospels and read them, and am just telling you what I noticed for the first time.

I took them at their word seeing as they were not called liars about those abilities.

The point being, just because Jesus didn't contradict those who said they did all these works in Jesus' Name, this does not mean that they actually did those things. They said they did many good works, but Jesus called them workers of iniquity, and stated that He never knew them. Never. Not that He once knew them, but never did.

The only reason I brought up this fellow from Mark's Gospel was to demonstrate that Jesus not contradicting him was not evidence that he had actually fully kept the Law from childhood. It just shows that Jesus did not address that point, and went on to express what He did.

I'd prefer to not get sidetracked from the topic we were discussing.

Much love!

 

[1stCenturyLady]

workers of iniquity,

Where in the story of the rich young ruler is Jesus referring to those as "workers of iniquity"?

 

[amigo de christo]

It doesn't say that. You can see for yourself:

Mark 10:20-27 KJV
20) And he answered and said unto him, Master, all these have I observed from my youth.
21) Then Jesus beholding him loved him, and said unto him, One thing thou lackest: go thy way, sell whatsoever thou hast, and give to the poor, and thou shalt have treasure in heaven: and come, take up the cross, and follow me.
22) And he was sad at that saying, and went away grieved: for he had great possessions.
23) And Jesus looked round about, and saith unto his disciples, How hardly shall they that have riches enter into the kingdom of God!
24) And the disciples were astonished at his words. But Jesus answereth again, and saith unto them, Children, how hard is it for them that trust in riches to enter into the kingdom of God!
25) It is easier for a camel to go through the eye of a needle, than for a rich man to enter into the kingdom of God.
26) And they were astonished out of measure, saying among themselves, Who then can be saved?
27) And Jesus looking upon them saith, With men it is impossible, but not with God: for with God all things are possible.

Much love!

have you ever read in john
or in james , or what paul wrote .
About always correcting brethren in sin .
Have you ever wondered why , however , john once said
THERE IS A SIN that Is unto DEATH and i DO NOT say that he shall pray for it .
EVER wonder what he meant . SO WHY THE HECK ARE SO MANY FALLING IN LOVE WITH INTERFAITH ALL INCLUSIVE .
UNBELIEF IN CHRIST WILL NEVER SAVE ONE SOUL . THEY CANNOT be forgiven of their sins .
I STAND IN UTTER UPMOST DEFIANCE against interfaith all inclusive false love . YOU better do so too .

 

[1stCenturyLady]

Go back 2 Peter, where does it say that stumbling is a permanent condition? Refer to Hebrews 12, and the chastening of the Lord.

10 Therefore, brethren, be even more diligent to make your call and election sure, for if you do these things you will never stumble; 11 for so an entrance will be supplied to you abundantly into the everlasting kingdom of our Lord and Savior Jesus Christ.

Looking at Revelation 22:11 at our death we will remain in the status we die in. That means either righteous/sinless of sins unto death, or perfect/holy and never stumble in sins not unto death found in 2 Peter 1:5-7 fruit of the Spirit.

 

[marks]

10 Therefore, brethren, be even more diligent to make your call and election sure, for if you do these things you will never stumble; 11 for so an entrance will be supplied to you abundantly into the everlasting kingdom of our Lord and Savior Jesus Christ.

This does not say that stumbing means forever.

Looking at Revelation 22:11 at our death we will remain in the status we die in. That means either righteous/sinless of sins unto death, or perfect/holy and never stumble in sins not unto death found in 2 Peter 1:5-7 fruit of the Spirit.

That's whole nuther study.

But OK, this one is going nowhere.

Much love!

 

[marks]

Where in the story of the rich young ruler is Jesus referring to those as "workers of iniquity"?

No . . . that's those who claim to have done all these works in Jesus' name. Jesus calls them workers of iniquity, and says He never knew them. As previously stated quite a number of times, this passage shows that they were false, and therefore does not support your view that the born again can become unborn again.

Much love!

 

[Marvelloustime]

have you ever read in john
or in james , or what paul wrote .
About always correcting brethren in sin .
Have you ever wondered why , however , john once said
THERE IS A SIN that Is unto DEATH and i DO NOT say that he shall pray for it .
EVER wonder what he meant . SO WHY THE HECK ARE SO MANY FALLING IN LOVE WITH INTERFAITH ALL INCLUSIVE .
UNBELIEF IN CHRIST WILL NEVER SAVE ONE SOUL . THEY CANNOT be forgiven of their sins .
I STAND IN UTTER UPMOST DEFIANCE against interfaith all inclusive false love . YOU better do so too .

@amigo de christo

 

[Marvelloustime]

Anyone who goes into the all inclusive interfaith false love lie that implies all religoins serve the same GOD we do
and believes muslims and other religoins are serving GOD ,
WERE EITHER NEVER OF US , or will repent of the lie that start exposing satans finding common ground interfaith lie .
NO SHEEP denies THE FACT one must BELIEVE JESUS IS THE CHRIST . THAT HE IS INDEED THE SON OF GOD
and the ONLY name whereby one may be saved and that YE MUST BELIEVE.
ONLY the decieved would do such a thing . AND Its also why i warn those even caught up in that
TO GET THE HECK OUT OF IT . NOW enough with this idea its okay to be mormon , jw , RCC . THAT TOO IS DEAD WRONG .
We must pull people OUT of such places and remind them to GET IN the BIBLE for their own selves .
SO watch out . this judge not correct not , HAS GOT TO GO and GO RIGHT NOW .
let the men who warn ALONE and at least pray for such .

@amigo de christo

 

[1stCenturyLady]

Nor did Jesus contradict the rich young ruler who told Jesus he'd kept the commandments from childhood. Jesus just went to the heart of the matter. Jesus declared they were workers of iniquity, not doers of these good works. And Jesus declared that He never knew them. So you have to believe one or the other, and I believe Jesus.

This is your post about the rich young ruler where you said Jesus declared that He never knew them. You can see the source of my confusion... Enough said.

This does not say that stumbing means forever.

What does the word 'never' mean to you if not 'forever'? If something needs to change, it should be your doctrine and not the Word of God.

 

[marks]

What does the word 'never' mean to you if not 'forever'? If something needs to change, it should be your doctrine and not the Word of God.

Saying that if you do these things, you will never stumble, is not at all the same as saying that if you stumble, you will never get up.

I suggest to minimize the confusion, give it a more careful read.

Much love!

 

[marks]

This is your post about the rich young ruler where you said Jesus declared that He never knew them. You can see the source of my confusion... Enough said.

Not really, no, I don't see how this would be so confusing, but there ya go!

Do you understand now that the workers of iniquity lied? And Jesus told truth?

Much love!

 

[amigo de christo]

Not really, no, I don't see how this would be so confusing, but there ya go!

Do you understand now that the workers of iniquity lied? And Jesus told truth?

Much love!

The workers of inquity did lie . AND NO LIE is of the truth .
What was the dire warning of the apostel john .
What is that which is of anti christ .
INTERFAITH IS my friend . AND many who lie to them false religoins , as did the POPE
and scores of others , GONNA be told I NEVER KNEW YA , even though they constantly preached about giving to the poor mark .
YOU and all better flee and have NOTHING to do with this interfaith finding common ground .
Yet it sure seems to me most of even the evangelical realm has now fallen for it
AS DID the liberal progressives , who i might add BROUGHT THIS INTO the evangelical camp .
THE BLOOD of all WONT BE ON MY hands mark .
BUT IT WILL be on the hands on those who spouted the lie . OH it will SURELY BE ON THEM ALL .
We should NEVER have been focused on the political earthly realm of men .
BOTH SIDES PUMP THIS T RASH unto the church and sadly IT SEEMS the church loveth it so .
I DID what i could , and sure i can do better , always room for improvement .
BUT I DID what i could . I NEVER let this people beleive in a lie , in a false hope , in a fake false love
that implied even those who did not believe in JESUS THE CHRIST were somehow okay .
WHAT A LIE FROM HELL that is . Interfaith finding common ground is a total anti christ sham to decieve all .

 

[rebuilder 454]

To me that seems absurd. The fact that we are permanently reborn doesn't make us robots, it's what I want. That's what I signed up for! Who wants out?? I don't know anyone who knows Jesus who wants to leave Him. No one wants out. Once you've actually known God's love, who would ever walk away?

Much love!

I believe you 100% ( he will never cast out those born again)
....but they can defect. If they can not, then God has robots.

I also believe a covenant has 2 parties.
If I am unable to walk away it is not a valid covenant.
IOW, There are sanctions in every covenant if one party walks away.
The marriage covenant vividly illustrates the covenant with God.

Let's just say one party in the marriage. Covenant commits adultery. ( ahem...breaks the covenant)
That would be an example of what your pointing out.
That would be the stupidity of a believer, in covenant ,refusing God. No matter how stupid the decision.
That party having the ability to destroy The covenant.
In salvation, the covenant would never be destroyed by God, but if you can't walk away, then you are a robot.
I don't think you Understand the concept,
That God does not want to forcefully choose, people then have them bound in a covenant that they don't want to be in.

In osas, that absurd idea exists.
The jailer asked Paul, "What must I do to be saved?"
Paul did not answer. "Oh, nothing you are either chosen or you're not .
God just chose you. You don't need to pray or say anything.
That concept is beyond absurd and strikes at the testimony of God.

So no no no.
We choose him in circumstances.
Supernatural visitation of Jesus.
He comes to us.
Every person on the planet. They choose or Reject Jesus.

You really need to study the Jewish mari

Osas is like abortion.
The mother chooses some child in the womb, and sentences other's to doom.
They have zero choice.
Osas is indeed diabolical.

Now let's get full gospel.
Let's get circumspect.

We are BOTH CHOSEN AND CHOOSE GOD
Anyting more or less than that is from the minds of men obsessed with "condemnation prior to investigation".

Why choose error?????
We are both chosen and choose Jesus.
You can take that to the bank.

 

[Grailhunter]

Walking in the Light is a continuous action. We do not go in and out of the Light, but we can commit sins that are liken to a dog's vomit. Think about why it would have been better for that person after they have escaped the pollutions of the world through the knowledge of the Lord and Savior Jesus Christ, they are again entangled in them and overcome, the latter end is worse for them than the beginning. 21 For it would have been better for them not to have known the way of righteousness, than having known it, to turn from the holy commandment delivered to them.

Do you know why this is true once they had eternal life? The question is where...

HEBREWS 6
1Therefore leaving the elementary teaching about the Christ, let us press on to [c]maturity, not laying again a foundation of repentance from dead works and of faith toward God, 2 of instruction about washings and laying on of hands, and the resurrection of the dead and eternal judgment. 3 And this we will do, if God permits. 4 For in the case of those who have once been enlightened and have tasted of the heavenly gift and have been made partakers of the Holy Spirit, 5 and have tasted the good word of God and the powers of the age to come, 6 and then have fallen away, it is impossible to renew them again to repentance, [d]since they again crucify to themselves the Son of God and put Him to open shame. 7 For ground that drinks the rain which often falls on it and brings forth vegetation useful to those for whose sake it is also tilled, receives a blessing from God; 8 but if it yields thorns and thistles, it is worthless and close o being cursed, and it ends up being burned.

 

[Grailhunter]

Yes, I agree. A pastor should always keep His office door open when counseling a woman, and never all alone.

Right.....I have seen it ruin pastors.....justly and unjustly. Back in the day it was called "chambering" a woman and it was assumed that a sexual encounter happened. People were killed over this.

 

[1stCenturyLady]

The Cross is where Christ was judged for the sin of the world.




Paul's doctrine came from Christ.




Yet you confess sin.

Now this verse is speaking about Christ rejection........as that "willful sin", has no remedy, and that is why the verse says....."there remains no more sacrifice'..........as if you willfully reject the Sacrifice, then there is none left.



There is no sin found "in Christ", and every born again Christian is "in Christ".



No sin found "in Christ' and every Christian, is "in Christ".

1 John 1:9 is the same as Acts 2:38. And 1 John 3:4-5 tells us which of the two types of sin it is that is taken out of our sin nature, leaving our nature clean/righteous. John 15:3.

There are no sins unto death found "in Christ." Don't lump them all together like Luther and Calvin and say "sin is sin." No! Those who go back and willfully commit sins unto death receives his wages, and John says we are not even suppose to pray for them, 1 John 5:16-17. This is why we are to continue to walk in the light and the sins not unto death (immature fruit) are cleansed. 1 John 1:7 is NOT talking about murder, theft, lies, adultery, or sorcery being automatically cleansed. NO! The desires to commit those have already been taken out of our nature. As we walk in the light Jesus, the author and finisher of our faith, matures in us all the fruit of the Spirit until we are perfect/holy.

 

[marks]

In salvation, the covenant would never be destroyed by God, but if you can't walk away, then you are a robot.
I don't think you Understand the concept,

I think I do understand.

When we come to Christ, and are reborn, we are changed into a new creation, and God does not offer to change us back into the old creation. You cannot "unbirth" yourself, though it seems that you think you can. How would you even do that?

"Walking away", what does that mean? You aren't just going from one room to another. You've been remade, and not by yourself. So what would you do to unbirth yourself from God?

Much love!