Can We Honor Jesus Christ Through His Mother Mary? a debate

[BreadOfLife]

Heresy.

It is 100% exactly what God is saying.

I don't see what evil has to do with this...

Are you accusing me of being a heretic or of heresy?

I would never accuse you of being a heretic - just espousing heresy.
You can't be a heretic if you're not part of His Church.

As for what God said about creating vs. worshiping images - it's 100% clear in Scripture.
Only the WORSHIP of images is prohibited.

If images themselves were sinful - then EVERY picture you've taken with your cell phone, the license you carry in your wallet, every photo of your family on your mantle and every framed painting in your house would be an abomination before God.

You need to learn how to understand Scripture instead of simply quoting it.

 

[BreadOfLife]

What are tou talking about? It nothing like that question at all!

Sure it is.

Your question is loaded and baseless because God never forbade the creation of images.
He only forbade the creation of images for the purposes of WORSHIPING them.

It's astounding to me how you can't grasp this.

 

[bbyrd009]

18Do you have eyes, and not see, and do you have ears, and not hear? And do you not remember?

(spoken to the astounded, i guess)

i mean, you are praying to Mary right. So how can "worship" be far off?

 

[Job]

Deuteronomy 4
15 “Take careful heed to yourselves, for you saw no form when the Lord spoke to you at Horeb out of the midst of the fire,
16 lest you act corruptly and make for yourselves a carved image in the form of any figure: the likeness of male or female,

 

[FHII]

Heresy.

I would never accuse you of being a heretic - just espousing heresy.
You can't be a heretic if you're not part of His Church.

As for what God said about creating vs. worshiping images - it's 100% clear in Scripture.
Only the WORSHIP of images is prohibited.

If images themselves were sinful - then EVERY picture you've taken with your cell phone, the license you carry in your wallet, every photo of your family on your mantle and every framed painting in your house would be an abomination before God.

You need to learn how to understand Scripture instead of simply quoting it.

1. Its not heresy if I have scripture to support it which I do.

2. You do not have a scripure that says its ok as long as its not for worship. You are making an inference and have a few instances where God said it was ok.

Its not necessarily a bad inference, its just not what God said. As for your few instances, I have dealt with that.

3. The part about every picture I've taken: yes absolutely true! And I said that earlier.

4. I consider you saying I need to understand scripture instead of quoting it a personal attack:
Albeit a mild one. I haven't done that to you and I will not put up with it being done to me.

5. I've decided to no longer persue this particular angle of this thread seeing as how it really doesn't matter under grace. A point that only Mungo has seemed to grasp.

 

[BreadOfLife]

1. Its not heresy if I have scripture to support it which I do.

2. You do not have a scripure that says its ok as long as its not for worship. You are making an inference and have a few instances where God said it was ok.

Its not necessarily a bad inference, its just not what God said. As for your few instances, I have dealt with that.

3. The part about every picture I've taken: yes absolutely true! And I said that earlier.

4. I consider you saying I need to understand scripture instead of quoting it a personal attack:
Albeit a mild one. I haven't done that to you and I will not put up with it being done to me.

5. I've decided to no longer persue this particular angle of this thread seeing as how it really doesn't matter under grace. A point that only Mungo has seemed to grasp.

Face it - you're not leaving this conversation for ANY reason other than frustration, due to the fact that you cannot support your position with Scripture - and I can.

Instead, you make up this nonsense that I have "personally" attacked you by telling you to study the Bible. That is not an attack - it's advice.

You haven't addressed ANY of the points I made about paintings in your home or pictures in your wallet or on your mantle. Instead, you persist in this absurdity that God forbids pictures and statues when He absolutely does not.

You wanna leave the conversation - fine.
Only don't blame me because you couldn't prove your point.

 

[FHII]

Face it - you're not leaving this conversation for ANY reason other than frustration, due to the fact that you cannot support your position with Scripture - and I can.

Instead, you make up this nonsense that I have "personally" attacked you by telling you to study the Bible. That is not an attack - it's advice.

You haven't addressed ANY of the points I made about paintings in your home or pictures in your wallet or on your mantle. Instead, you persist in this absurdity that God forbids pictures and statues when He absolutely does not.

You wanna leave the conversation - fine.
Only don't blame me because you couldn't prove your point.

You will now be put on my ignore list.

 

[BreadOfLife]

Deuteronomy 4
15 “Take careful heed to yourselves, for you saw no form when the Lord spoke to you at Horeb out of the midst of the fire,
16 lest you act corruptly and make for yourselves a carved image in the form of any figure: the likeness of male or female,

Ignorant nonsense.

Is the First Lady "worshiping" a casket - or showing love for her dead husband?

Is this woman "worshiping" a photo - or showing love for her son??

The only difference between the pictures I presented and the ones YOU presented - is that you're being dishonest and I'm not . . .

 

[BreadOfLife]

You will now be put on my ignore list.

That's what I thought . . .

 

[Job]

Is the First Lady "worshiping" a casket - or showing love for her dead husband?

I've never heard anything from her regarding that incident, so if she is worshiping the casket, at least she's not telling the world that's it ok to do that.

 

[Job]

Worshiping the dead.

 

[bbyrd009]

The only difference between the pictures I presented and the ones YOU presented - is that you're being dishonest and I'm not . . .

actually you make his point for him, quite fabulously, ty

 

[BreadOfLife]

I've never heard anything from her regarding that incident, so if she is worshiping the casket, at least she's not telling the world that's it ok to do that.

And this is a weak and asinine a response as your initial deceitful post . . .

 

[BreadOfLife]

actually you make his point for him, quite fabulously, ty

And, how is that, Einstein?
How did I make his case?

 

[BreadOfLife]

Worshiping the dead.

How does this show "worship" of the dead?
Apparently, you don't have a clue as to what "worship" means

 

[Job]

How does this show "worship" of the dead?
Apparently, you don't have a clue as to what "worship" means

Semantics.

 

[BreadOfLife]

Semantics.

You don't even understand what "semantics" means, either.

A little advice:
BEFORE you crack open a Bible - read a dictionary . . .

 

[Job]

One of the many corpses that litter catholic churches all around the world. They dig up dead bodies and put them on display to be honored.

 

[BreadOfLife]

One of the many corpses that litter catholic churches all around the world. They dig up dead bodies and put them on display to be honored.

Yup - honored.
Nothing wrong with that.

Instead of embarrassing yourself by spouting of more ignorance - read your Bible (2 Kings 13:21).

 

[Job]

Instead of embarrassing yourself by spouting of more ignorance - read your Bible (2 Kings 13:21).

2 Kings 13
21 So it was, as they were burying a man, that suddenly they spied a band of raiders; and they put the man in the tomb of Elisha; and when the man was let down and touched the bones of Elisha, he revived and stood on his feet.


Oh yeah, it's all so clear to me now. This verse gives people permission to dig up dead people and put them on display. Why didn't I see that before?