Can angels have sex?

[ewq1938]

"The Sons Of God" doesn't mean "Angels" as you claim, any human who is led by God's Spirit is a "Son Of God"

Not in the OT.

The phrase "the sons of God" appears only 5 times in the old Testament. Every single time it is speaking of angels:

Gen_6:2 That the sons of God saw the daughters of men that they were fair; and they took them wives of all which they chose.

Gen_6:4 There were giants in the earth in those days; and also after that, when the sons of God came in unto the daughters of men, and they bare children to them, the same became mighty men which were of old, men of renown.

Job_1:6 Now there was a day when the sons of God came to present themselves before the LORD, and Satan came also among them.

Job_2:1 Again there was a day when the sons of God came to present themselves before the LORD, and Satan came also among them to present himself before the LORD.

Job_38:7 When the morning stars sang together, and all the sons of God shouted for joy?

Morning stars are another term for angels.

Jud 1:6 And the angels which kept not their first estate, but left their own habitation, he hath reserved in everlasting chains under darkness unto the judgment of the great day.
Jud 1:7 Even as Sodom and Gomorrha, and the cities about them in like manner, giving themselves over to fornication, and going after strange flesh, are set forth for an example, suffering the vengeance of eternal fire.
Jud 1:8 Likewise also these filthy dreamers defile the flesh, despise dominion, and speak evil of dignities.


Angels left heaven and did something so horrible that they are reserved in everlasting chains under darkness unto the judgment of the great day. What do you think they might have done to deserve this?


2Pe 2:4 For if God spared not the angels that sinned, but cast them down to hell, and delivered them into chains of darkness, to be reserved unto judgment;

What was their sin??


1Co 11:9 Neither was the man created for the woman; but the woman for the man.
1Co 11:10 For this cause ought the woman to have power on her head because of the angels.

Sounds like pretty bad angels huh? Exactly what harm could come to a human woman from these angels? Could it be these angels are the ones said to have been "before of old ordained to this condemnation" and "saw the daughters of men that they were fair; and they took them wives of all which they chose" in Genesis 6? Could the child have grown into huge, evil giants that plagued the world for generations?

 

[theefaith]

They are not "pure spirits". What does that even mean? Ghosts?

They are physical creations in the firmament, the same as we are physical creations on the surface of the earth.

Paul said there are bodies celestial and bodies terrestrial. Paul is stating both are bodies, physical. Only humans have a spirit. Angels don't have a spirit. Angels have a job as being lights in the firmament. As messengers on earth, they have human form. Then back to being lights in the firmament. Stars don't have baby stars. Angels do not procreate other angels.

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[theefaith]

They are not "pure spirits". What does that even mean? Ghosts?

They are physical creations in the firmament, the same as we are physical creations on the surface of the earth.

Paul said there are bodies celestial and bodies terrestrial. Paul is stating both are bodies, physical. Only humans have a spirit. Angels don't have a spirit. Angels have a job as being lights in the firmament. As messengers on earth, they have human form. Then back to being lights in the firmament. Stars don't have baby stars. Angels do not procreate other angels.

Psalm 104:4
Who maketh his angels spirits; his ministers a flaming fire:

Dogma

1. In the beginning of time God created spiritual essences (angels) out of nothing.
2. The nature of angels is spiritual.

 

[Truth7t7]

Not in the OT.

The phrase "the sons of God" appears only 5 times in the old Testament. Every single time it is speaking of angels:

Gen_6:2 That the sons of God saw the daughters of men that they were fair; and they took them wives of all which they chose.

Gen_6:4 There were giants in the earth in those days; and also after that, when the sons of God came in unto the daughters of men, and they bare children to them, the same became mighty men which were of old, men of renown.

Job_1:6 Now there was a day when the sons of God came to present themselves before the LORD, and Satan came also among them.

Job_2:1 Again there was a day when the sons of God came to present themselves before the LORD, and Satan came also among them to present himself before the LORD.

Job_38:7 When the morning stars sang together, and all the sons of God shouted for joy?

Morning stars are another term for angels.

Jud 1:6 And the angels which kept not their first estate, but left their own habitation, he hath reserved in everlasting chains under darkness unto the judgment of the great day.
Jud 1:7 Even as Sodom and Gomorrha, and the cities about them in like manner, giving themselves over to fornication, and going after strange flesh, are set forth for an example, suffering the vengeance of eternal fire.
Jud 1:8 Likewise also these filthy dreamers defile the flesh, despise dominion, and speak evil of dignities.


Angels left heaven and did something so horrible that they are reserved in everlasting chains under darkness unto the judgment of the great day. What do you think they might have done to deserve this?


2Pe 2:4 For if God spared not the angels that sinned, but cast them down to hell, and delivered them into chains of darkness, to be reserved unto judgment;

What was their sin??


1Co 11:9 Neither was the man created for the woman; but the woman for the man.
1Co 11:10 For this cause ought the woman to have power on her head because of the angels.

Sounds like pretty bad angels huh? Exactly what harm could come to a human woman from these angels? Could it be these angels are the ones said to have been "before of old ordained to this condemnation" and "saw the daughters of men that they were fair; and they took them wives of all which they chose" in Genesis 6? Could the child have grown into huge, evil giants that plagued the world for generations?

Not one instance in the Old Testament concerning "The Sons Of God" is the Hebrew word "Malak" for "Angel" used , you are adding to scripture something not seen

Strong’s Definitions
מֲלְאָךְ mălʼâk, mal-awk'; from an unused root meaning to despatch as a deputy; a messenger; specifically, of God, i.e. an angel

 

[ewq1938]

Not one instance in the Old Testament concerning "The Sons Of God" is the Hebrew word "Malak" for "Angel" used

Which means nothing. There are other ways to speak of angels, and Sons of God is one of them in the OT.

 

[Truth7t7]

Which means nothing. There are other ways to speak of angels, and Sons of God is one of them in the OT.

Dream on, angels are everywhere, then I woke to a world of biblical reality

 

[theefaith]

The verse shows how they wrongly left heaven to sin, related to Gen 6.



All angels have bodies.

choose to sacrifice humility for pride and we’re cast out of heaven

Pure spirits nobody’s

Psalm 104:4
Who maketh his angels spirits; his ministers a flaming fire:

Dogma

1. In the beginning of time God created spiritual essences (angels) out of nothing.
2. The nature of angels is spiritual.

 

[ewq1938]

choose to sacrifice humility for pride and we’re cast out of heaven

Pure spirits nobody’s

Psalm 104:4
Who maketh his angels spirits; his ministers a flaming fire:

So he can make angels into spirits. Doesn't that prove they were angels and not spirits at some point? Isn't this also about Godly, loyal angels and not satanic rebel angels?

 

[Timtofly]

Psalm 104:4
Who maketh his angels spirits; his ministers a flaming fire:

Dogma

1. In the beginning of time God created spiritual essences (angels) out of nothing.
2. The nature of angels is spiritual.

What do you think gives them the bright light effect to shine as stars? Pnuema deals with air. Just means they can exist in the firmament. Our spirit is also a bright light. Just like Jesus on the Mount of Transfiguration.

 

[Timtofly]

Which means nothing. There are other ways to speak of angels, and Sons of God is one of them in the OT.

Nice to give away your humanity to the angels in the firmament. Are angels in God's image then body, soul, and spirit? You are not a son of God and not in God's image?

 

[Davy]

You make it sound like some escaped the pit through a volcanic eruption.

And you sound like some Hollywood movie script. What did you not understand about the "and also after that" phrase in Genesis 6:4?

Gen 6:4
4 There were giants in the earth in those days; and also after that, when the sons of God came in unto the daughters of men, and they bare children to them, the same became mighty men which were of old, men of renown.
KJV

Everything that follows after that "and also after that, when" clause is pointing to a 2nd irruption of those angels mating with the flesh daughters of Adam. Goliath was one of those giants, or did not you know that David lived AFTER the flood of Noah's day?

Thus your argument is just silly, and shows Biblical illiteracy.

 

[Davy]

"The Sons Of God" doesn't mean "Angels" as you claim, any human who is led by God's Spirit is a "Son Of God"

Yeah that phrase "sons of God" DOES mean angels back in The Old Testament time.

Job 2:1-2
2 Again there was a day when the sons of God came to present themselves before the LORD, and Satan came also among them to present himself before the LORD.

2 And the LORD said unto Satan, "From whence comest thou?" And Satan answered the LORD, and said, "From going to and fro in the earth, and from walking up and down in it."
KJV

When are folks going to be held accountable for denying the simplicity that is God's written Word?? I guess when Jesus comes.

 

[Davy]

so you really think like a Neanderthal and say the sons of God are fallen angels?

Well, I do... have a woolly beard, and am pretty hairy! Flat footed too!

I abide by what God says in His Word, not what men's doctrines say, which is what you follow in this matter:

Job 2:1-2
2 Again there was a day when the sons of God came to present themselves before the LORD, and Satan came also among them to present himself before the LORD.

2 And the LORD said unto Satan, From whence comest thou? And Satan answered the LORD, and said, From going to and fro in the earth, and from walking up and down in it.
KJV

 

[Michiah-Imla]

When are folks going to be held accountable for denying the simplicity that is God's written Word??

Believing that angels have sex with mankind is not simple.

It requires an inordinate curious complex mind.

 

[Grailhunter]

Archangels. Dominions, Cherubim, Seraphim, and Angels; lower row: Principalities, Thrones, Archangels, Virtues, and Powers. Guardian Angels?

 

[theefaith]

So he can make angels into spirits. Doesn't that prove they were angels and not spirits at some point? Isn't this also about Godly, loyal angels and not satanic rebel angels?

All of the angelic beings are pure spirits! Some thru pride fell from grace

 

[theefaith]

What do you think gives them the bright light effect to shine as stars? Pnuema deals with air. Just means they can exist in the firmament. Our spirit is also a bright light. Just like Jesus on the Mount of Transfiguration.

they are not hybrids like us having both body and soul

 

[Timtofly]

And you sound like some Hollywood movie script. What did you not understand about the "and also after that" phrase in Genesis 6:4?

Gen 6:4
4 There were giants in the earth in those days; and also after that, when the sons of God came in unto the daughters of men, and they bare children to them, the same became mighty men which were of old, men of renown.
KJV

Everything that follows after that "and also after that, when" clause is pointing to a 2nd irruption of those angels mating with the flesh daughters of Adam. Goliath was one of those giants, or did not you know that David lived AFTER the flood of Noah's day?

Thus your argument is just silly, and shows Biblical illiteracy.

Your whole angel bit is a Hollywood human imagination scenario. Do you know how many times humans have made movies and plays about this imagined scenario starting with the Greeks and their mythology? Satan fed that thought into human minds.

Genesis 2 gives the logical explanation, except no one listens or pays attention to God's Word. The sons of God were giants and those humans created on the 6th day. That was your before. Before Adam disobeyed God and was homeless walking the earth with Eve and all their offspring.

Now generations later, many offspring from those 6th day humans, decide Adam's offspring were way more interesting than they actually were. Humans without a dead corruptible body of Adam's sin nature, started having offspring with Adam's dead corruptible flesh. It produced giants into Adam's fallen lineage. It did not take away the sin nature, so those offspring started acting according to their new found natures, against God. Then things just spiraled out of control.

Why would God not have raptured sons of God created on the 6th day out of the whole mess? They certainly were not killed in the Flood. They still met in council for hundreds if not thousands of years after the Flood. Noah was not raptured. He and all the animals were to re-populate the earth. There were 4 females on the ark. The genetics for more giants would come from their side of the genetic family. They were all humans though. Some were sinners in Adam's dead flesh. Some were sons of God created on day 6. No Satan and certainly no angels procreating with the sons of God.

So why are you defending Greek mythology and Satan's lies about God's creation?

 

[Timtofly]

Yeah that phrase "sons of God" DOES mean angels back in The Old Testament time.

Job 2:1-2
2 Again there was a day when the sons of God came to present themselves before the LORD, and Satan came also among them to present himself before the LORD.

2 And the LORD said unto Satan, "From whence comest thou?" And Satan answered the LORD, and said, "From going to and fro in the earth, and from walking up and down in it."
KJV

When are folks going to be held accountable for denying the simplicity that is God's written Word?? I guess when Jesus comes.

Those were not angels. When are deceived humans going to stop spreading Greek mythology, and call it God's Word?

You do realize that Satan was the only angel that was not chained up in the pit? When 33% of the angels stated they will quit, they were immediately placed in chains of darkness. The place only prepared for them, not humans. Do you think all of Adam's dead flesh should have been sent to sheol immediately upon death, even though that place was only there for those rebel angels? The angels were already there, when Adam's dead flesh arrived. Humans did not get there first.

Those angels did not pass go, and did not collect offspring. God never rewarded them time spent on earth for good behavior. Them quitting their job did not imply they even came to earth. They left their estate, as stars in the firmament. They did not leave the firmament. They left their job as stars.

Job 38:7 does not say:

"When the angels sang together, and all the angels shouted for joy?"

It says:

"When the angels sang together, and all humanity shouted for joy?

Angels were created on the 4th day. Humans were created on the 6th day. They both were there at the beginning. The angel's domain was the firmament. Humans lived on the earth. At no time did they commute into each other's domain and procreated. Why make up such tall tales just like the Greeks did in their mythology?

 

[Timtofly]

they are not hybrids like us having both body and soul

They are not like us in any way, and could never procreate period.

We are not hybrids. We are dead. Adam physically and spiritually died the instant he disobeyed God, exactly as God said.

We are not in God's image with a permanent incorruptible physical body, a soul, and a spirit.

We are in Adam's image with a dead corruptible physical body, and a soul. We have no spirit available to us. Our spirit is with God. That is why we are given the Holy Spirit in exchange.

Literally the only way to be in God's image on earth is to submit to the will of the Holy Spirit. Then we produce the fruit of the Spirit.

That is not what that verse is saying about angels. They are fire and air. They are not created in God's image. They are as God designed in Genesis 1:14

"And God said, Let there be lights in the firmament of the heaven to divide the day from the night; and let them be for signs, and for seasons, and for days, and years:"

That was the job assigned to the angels.

On the 6th day God created the sons of God in God's image.