Can a Believer Loose Their Salvation?

[JBO]

What is the subject?

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Death, life, angels, principalities, powers, things present, things to come, height, depth, and any other creature, are the subjects.

Specifically note that he says "nor ANY OTHER creature. It seems to me that "any other creature" would exclude ourselves.

 

[St. SteVen]

Death, life, angels, principalities, powers, things present, things to come, height, depth, and any other creature, are the subjects.

Specifically note that he says "nor ANY OTHER creature. It seems to me that "any other creature" would exclude ourselves.

What about the context?
No condemnation for those who are in Christ. Is that not us?

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[mailmandan]

What about the context?
No condemnation for those who are in Christ. Is that not us?

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Amen! Romans 8:30 - Moreover, whom He predestined, these He also called; whom He called, these He also justified; and whom He justified, these He also glorified. *ALL of them. *Notice how Paul uses the past tense for a future event to stress its certainty. :)

 

[Eternally Grateful]

Rom 4:3 For what saith the scripture? Abraham believed God, and it was counted unto him for righteousness.......

Rom 4:23 Now it was not written for his sake alone, that it was imputed to him;
Rom 4:24 But for us also, to whom it shall be imputed, if we believe on him that raised up Jesus our Lord from the dead;

Faith in God is the faith that saves.

faith in what?

That God exists?

it has to be deeper than this. even demons believe that God exists.. yet they rejected him and are lost forever.

 

[Eternally Grateful]

Paul didn't say, "nothing can separate us". Read it again.

1 What then shall we say to these things? If God is for us, who can be against us? 32 He who did not spare His own Son, but delivered Him up for us all, how shall He not with Him also freely give us all things? 33 Who shall bring a charge against God’s elect? It is God who justifies. 34 Who is he who condemns? It is Christ who died, and furthermore is also risen, who is even at the right hand of God, who also makes intercession for us. 35 Who shall separate us from the love of Christ? Shall tribulation, or distress, or persecution, or famine, or nakedness, or peril, or sword? 36 As it is written:

“For Your sake we are killed all day long;
We are accounted as sheep for the slaughter.”

37 Yet in all these things we are more than conquerors through Him who loved us. 38 For I am persuaded that neither death nor life, nor angels nor principalities nor powers, nor things present nor things to come, 39 nor height nor depth, nor any other created thing, shall be able to separate us from the love of God which is in Christ Jesus our Lord.

Yeah, Nothing can seperate us

Jesus said the same thing

John 6: 38 For I have come down from heaven, not to do My own will, but the will of Him who sent Me. 39 This is the will of the Father who sent Me, that of all He has given Me I should lose nothing, but should raise it up at the last day. 40 And this is the will of Him who sent Me, that everyone who sees the Son and believes in Him may have everlasting life; and I will raise him up at the last day.”

John 10: 28 And I give them eternal life, and they shall never perish; neither shall anyone snatch them out of My hand. 29 My Father, who has given them to Me, is greater than all; and no one is able to snatch them out of My Father’s hand. 30 I and My Father are one.”

 

[DJT_47]

I can't imagine a more careless act. - LOL

As if salvation can be lost as easily as your car keys.
What became of eternal security? We seem to have traded it for eternal IN-security.
The life of fear. Is that what God wants for us?
Bible says "be thou faithful unto death, and I will give thee a crown of life." (Rev 2:10) It's conditional, so what if you don't?

 

[St. SteVen]

Hey. Get your reply out of my quote box!

St. SteVen said:
I can't imagine a more careless act. - LOL
As if salvation can be lost as easily as your car keys.
What became of eternal security? We seem to have traded it for eternal IN-security.
The life of fear. Is that what God wants for us?

@DJT_47
Bible says "be thou faithful unto death, and I will give thee a crown of life." (Rev 2:10) It's conditional, so what if you don't?

St. SteVen writes...
The Crown of Life is not salvation, per se.

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[JBO]

faith in what?

That God exists?

it has to be deeper than this. even demons believe that God exists.. yet they rejected him and are lost forever.

You apparently do not perceive the difference between believing God and believing in God. One can believe that God exists but does not believe in God. I know, because I had a very, very good and close friend, now gone, who believed that God exists, but could not get it through his head any of what the Bible says about God. He believed God exists but he did not believe IN God. He mentally accepted that there is a God, but he was unable to reconcile the conditions of the world with God having any real interest in the world. He believed God, he didn't believe in God. He did not have faith. Believing IN God is mental assent plus trust.

 

[JBO]

1 What then shall we say to these things? If God is for us, who can be against us? 32 He who did not spare His own Son, but delivered Him up for us all, how shall He not with Him also freely give us all things? 33 Who shall bring a charge against God’s elect? It is God who justifies. 34 Who is he who condemns? It is Christ who died, and furthermore is also risen, who is even at the right hand of God, who also makes intercession for us. 35 Who shall separate us from the love of Christ? Shall tribulation, or distress, or persecution, or famine, or nakedness, or peril, or sword? 36 As it is written:

“For Your sake we are killed all day long;
We are accounted as sheep for the slaughter.”

37 Yet in all these things we are more than conquerors through Him who loved us. 38 For I am persuaded that neither death nor life, nor angels nor principalities nor powers, nor things present nor things to come, 39 nor height nor depth, nor any other created thing, shall be able to separate us from the love of God which is in Christ Jesus our Lord.

Yeah, Nothing can seperate us

Jesus said the same thing

John 6: 38 For I have come down from heaven, not to do My own will, but the will of Him who sent Me. 39 This is the will of the Father who sent Me, that of all He has given Me I should lose nothing, but should raise it up at the last day. 40 And this is the will of Him who sent Me, that everyone who sees the Son and believes in Him may have everlasting life; and I will raise him up at the last day.”

John 10: 28 And I give them eternal life, and they shall never perish; neither shall anyone snatch them out of My hand. 29 My Father, who has given them to Me, is greater than all; and no one is able to snatch them out of My Father’s hand. 30 I and My Father are one.”

Joh 17:11 And I am no longer in the world, but they are in the world, and I am coming to you. Holy Father, keep them in your name, which you have given me, that they may be one, even as we are one.
Joh 17:12 While I was with them, I kept them in your name, which you have given me. I have guarded them, and not one of them has been lost except the son of destruction, that the Scripture might be fulfilled.

 

[Eternally Grateful]

You apparently do not perceive the difference between believing God and believing in God.

Please stop My question is simple. I am trying to get you to see a spiritual truth. Stop trying to say I know or do not know something

One can believe that God exists but does not believe in God.

What about God do I need to believe? I know many who believe in God. yet have never met or known God.

I know, because I had a very, very good and close friend, now gone, who believed that God exists, but could not get it through his head any of what the Bible says about God. He believed God exists but he did not believe IN God. He mentally accepted that there is a God, but he was unable to reconcile the conditions of the world with God having any real interest in the world. He believed God, he didn't believe in God. He did not have faith. Believing IN God is mental assent plus trust.

again, what is it about God that we need to believe? what is the gospel?

 

[Eternally Grateful]

Joh 17:11 And I am no longer in the world, but they are in the world, and I am coming to you. Holy Father, keep them in your name, which you have given me, that they may be one, even as we are one.
Joh 17:12 While I was with them, I kept them in your name, which you have given me. I have guarded them, and not one of them has been lost except the son of destruction, that the Scripture might be fulfilled.

Judas was never saved.

why do you keep sayign a person who never believed Jesus (Jesus own words) was saved?

 

[amigo de christo]

Judas was never saved.

why do you keep sayign a person who never believed Jesus (Jesus own words) was saved?

JESUS even said HAVE NOT i chosen you twelve , YET ONE OF YOU IS A DEVIL .
yeah , judas never had a heart for JESUS CHRIST , rather he was the one to betray Christ from within . one that sat at him at meat .
JUDAS , was not a sheep . JESUS called him a devil . JESUS Knew it when he called him . HE KNEW from the VERY BEGINNING
just who and what JUDAS was and would do . The others did not , BUT JESUS KNEW .

 

[amigo de christo]

Amen! Romans 8:30 - Moreover, whom He predestined, these He also called; whom He called, these He also justified; and whom He justified, these He also glorified. *ALL of them. *Notice how Paul uses the past tense for a future event to stress its certainty. :)

So now a question . How come so many are now buying into a false love that wont save , that teaches a lie from the father of lies
that says ye need not to BELIEVE ON JESUS CHRIST , and that all religoins through whatever version of dung pile love
they do are saved and do know GOD . cause , DOESNT THAT DENY JESUS CHRIST
and what do ye suppose will happen to those who DO TROD the SON OF MAN under foot for a love that cannot save
for a love that came NOT OF GOD , because love that cometh of GOD would not have rejoiced IN A LIE but ONLY IN THE TRUTH .
NO LOVE that comes FROM GOD would DENY THE VERY TESTIMONY OF GOD which HE gave OF THE SON .
But this other love DOES . IT says all the religoins need is to love , all humanity needs is love .
YEAH , What a crock of crap that is . IT AINT LOVE and IT AINT COMING FROM GOD .
AND to be honest i am about wore out with this lie so many now love and embrace . TIME WE PREACH and preached again
THE REAL GOSPEL that I DO KNOW SAVES . A HINT , IT is the ONE that says YE must BELEIVE IN JESUS CHRIST and then love one another .
NOT this other pile of crap that simply tries to say oh just love one another and implies it dont matter what ya believe .
THAT PILE of rotted stink is coming from the dragon who i ALSO happen to know DOES DESIRE THE DEATH O ALL
and thus its why he does so preach it through so many men . A FAT LIE .

 

[amigo de christo]

Judas was never saved.

why do you keep sayign a person who never believed Jesus (Jesus own words) was saved?

another good question is , why on earth are so many now believing so long as one has this crack pipe love
it dont matter if they believed on JESUS at all .
Yeah , ol amigo is exposing the harlots inclusive love song for the dung it is , yet again .
WHY , WHY and HOW dare we or any EVER BELIEVE this lie . NOT on my watch , not in my sight nor hearing
will i allow this lie to continue . ITS BELIEVE YE ON JESUS CHRIST , that GOSPEL which i KNOW saves that shall be taught
not this other all inclusive social go spell from hell . TIME to preach JESUS CHRIST AGAIN
time to make biblical correction great again . TIME to feast on bibles again . Now lift those hands
cause its also TIME to PRAISE N THANK THE LORD .

 

[JBO]

Judas was never saved.

why do you keep sayign a person who never believed Jesus (Jesus own words) was saved?

How could Jesus lose someone He never had? Where does it say Judas never believed Jesus?

 

[JBO]

Amen! Romans 8:30 - Moreover, whom He predestined, these He also called; whom He called, these He also justified; and whom He justified, these He also glorified. *ALL of them. *Notice how Paul uses the past tense for a future event to stress its certainty. :)

What future event?

 

[Eternally Grateful]

How could Jesus lose someone He never had? Where does it say Judas never believed Jesus?

Have you read the gospels?

Two people have quoted where Jesus said judas did nto believe, and he was the devil

How can one be saved when he never believed?

 

[mailmandan]

What future event?

Glorification. Hence, and whom He justified, these He also glorified.

 

[mailmandan]

How could Jesus lose someone He never had? Where does it say Judas never believed Jesus?

John 6:64 - But there are some of you who do not believe.” For Jesus knew from the beginning who they were who did not believe, and who would betray Him.

John 6:70 - Jesus answered them, “Did I not choose you, the twelve, and one of you is a devil?” 71 He spoke of Judas Iscariot, the son of Simon, for it was he who would betray Him, being one of the twelve.

 

[JBO]

Please stop My question is simple. I am trying to get you to see a spiritual truth. Stop trying to say I know or do not know something

John 6:64 - But there are some of you who do not believe.” For Jesus knew from the beginning who they were who did not believe, and who would betray Him.

John 6:70 - Jesus answered them, “Did I not choose you, the twelve, and one of you is a devil?” 71 He spoke of Judas Iscariot, the son of Simon, for it was he who would betray Him, being one of the twelve.

But even there it does not say that Judas, never believed in Jesus. It says Jesus knew from the beginning who they were. It does not say that they did not believe from the beginning. Now I suspect that Judas, never believed from the beginning, but scripture doesn't say that. And remember, for what it is worth, Judas had the same power of signs, wonders and miracles as the rest of the disciples.