Born again = Righteous

[Johann]

That is not saying you must read your bible to be birthed in the Spirit.

Of course we need to read the word of God...He leads us through his word.

What I am saying is...you must be born again for the Holy Spirit to lead us through his Living word.....

2Ti 3:10 But thou hast fully known my doctrine, manner of life, purpose, faith, longsuffering, charity, patience,
2Ti 3:11 Persecutions, afflictions, which came unto me at Antioch, at Iconium, at Lystra; what persecutions I endured: but out of them all the Lord delivered me.
2Ti 3:12 Yea, and all that will live godly in Christ Jesus shall suffer persecution.
2Ti 3:13 But evil men and seducers shall wax worse and worse, deceiving, and being deceived.
2Ti 3:14 But continue thou in the things which thou hast learned and hast been assured of, knowing of whom thou hast learned them;
2Ti 3:15 And that from a child thou hast known the holy scriptures, which are able to make thee wise unto salvation through faith which is in Christ Jesus.
2Ti 3:16 All scripture is given by inspiration of God, and is profitable for doctrine, for reproof, for correction, for instruction in righteousness:
2Ti 3:17 That the man of God may be perfect, throughly furnished unto all good works.

1Ti 4:13 Till I come, give attendance to reading, to exhortation, to doctrine.
1Ti 4:14 Neglect not the gift that is in thee, which was given thee by prophecy, with the laying on of the hands of the presbytery.
1Ti 4:15 Meditate upon these things; give thyself wholly to them; that thy profiting may appear to all.
1Ti 4:16 Take heed unto thyself, and unto the doctrine; continue in them: for in doing this thou shalt both save thyself, and them that hear thee.
God hath given us the Bible, which is a book of instructions. But this book can be of no
manner of profit to us, any otherwise than as it conveys some knowledge to the mind: it can
profit us no more than if it were written in the Chinese or Tartarian language, of which we
know not one word.


This book was written for the use of all; all are directed to search the Scriptures. John
5:39, "Search the Scriptures, for in them ye think ye have eternal life; and they are they that
testify of me;" and Isaiah 34:16, "Seek ye out of the book of the Lord, and read." They that
read and understand are pronounced blessed. Rev. 1:3, "Blessed is he that readeth, and they
that understand the words of this prophecy." If this be true of that particular book of the
Revelation, much more is it true of the Bible in general. Nor is it to be believed that God
would have given instructions in such abundance, if he had intended that receiving instruction should be only a by concernment with us.

 

[Ritajanice]

Ti 3:10 But thou hast fully known my doctrine, manner of life, purpose, faith, longsuffering, charity, patience,

2Ti 3:11 Persecutions, afflictions, which came unto me at Antioch, at Iconium, at Lystra; what persecutions I endured: but out of them all the Lord delivered me

I have tried to explain many times to you.you also agreed that many born again saints are born again having never read a bible,in prison.
I don’t understand a lot of scripture you post, I only understand the scripture I post as it speaks to my heart/ spirit..a little of what you post I understand and I think it’s the same for you,are you understanding all of the scripture I post?

I have also explained that the word of God is Alive and Active....can you explain what that means in your own words please?

What is this scripture saying to you Johann?

Hebrews 4:12 NIV
For the word of God is alive and active. Sharper than any double-edged sword, it penetrates even to dividing soul and spirit, joints and marrow; it judges the thoughts and attitudes of the heart.

Also what is this scripture saying Johann?

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Context Crossref Comment Greek Verse (Click for Chapter) New International Version Flesh gives birth to flesh, but the Spirit gives birth to spirit. New Living Translation Humans can reproduce only human life, but the Holy Spirit gives birth to spiritual life. English Standard Version That which is born of the flesh is flesh, and that which is born of the Spirit is spirit. Berean Standard Bible Flesh is born of flesh, but spirit is born of the Spirit. Berean Literal Bible That having been born of the flesh is flesh, and that having been born of the Spirit is spirit. King James Bible That which is born of the flesh is flesh; and that which is born of the Spirit is spirit. New King James Version That which is born of the flesh is flesh, and that which is born of the Spirit is spirit

 

[Johann]

I have tried to explain many times to you.you also agreed that many born again saints are born again having never read a bible,in prison.

I have also explained that the word of God is Alive and Active....can you explain what that means in your own words please?

What is this scripture saying to you Johann?

Hebrews 4:12 NIV
For the word of God is alive and active. Sharper than any double-edged sword, it penetrates even to dividing soul and spirit, joints and marrow; it judges the thoughts and attitudes of the heart.

"word of God" Verses 12 and 13 form one sentence in Greek. The term word (logos) does not refer personally to Jesus, as it does in John 1:1, but to God's spoken (cf. Heb. 13:7) or written message either through the OT Scriptures or NT revelation. God's self-revelation is described in three ways:.

1. it is personified as having a life of its own

2. it is like the penetrating power of a sword

3. it is like an all-knowing judge (cf. Heb. 4:13)

In his book Jewish Christianity, H. E. Dana makes the suggestion based on Egyptian papyri usage that "word" (logos) means "reckoning" or "calling into account." He asserts this fits the original author's overall argument, that there will be a divine reckoning through examination, using the metaphor of a surgeon (p. 227).

Therefore, this text is not a description of the revealed word of God, but the discerning judgment of God. This is interesting, but the author of Hebrews used logos often for God's word (cf. Heb. 2:2; 4:2; 5:13; 7:28; 13:7) and also the Greek term for the spoken word, rhēma (cf. Heb. 6:5; 11:3).


"living and active and sharper" This reflects the Hebrew concept of the power of the spoken word of God (cf. Gen 1:1,3,6,9,14,20,24,26; Ps. 33:6,9; 148:5; Isa. 40:8; 45:23; 55:11; 5:17-19; Matt. 5:17-19; 24:35; 1 Pet. 1:23).


"sharper than any two-edged sword" This speaks of the penetrating power of God's word (cf. John 12:48 and Rev. 1:6; 2:12,16, where it is used of Jesus).


"soul and spirit" This is not an ontological dichotomy in mankind, but a dual relationship to both this planet and to God. The Hebrew word nephesh is used of both mankind and the animals in Genesis, while "spirit" (ruah) is used uniquely of mankind. God's word penetrates mankind's inner self. This is not a proof-text on the nature of mankind as a two-part (dichotomous) or three-part (trichotomous) being (cf. 1 Thess 5:23). Mankind is primarily represented in the Bible as a unity (cf. Gen. 2:7). For a good summary of the theories of mankind as trichotomous, dichotomous, or a unity, see Millard J. Erickson's Christian Theology (second edition) pp. 538-557 and Frank Stagg's Polarities of Man's Existence in Biblical Perspective.


"and able to judge the thoughts and intentions of the heart" In Hebrew thought the "heart" represents the entire person and their inner motivation.
God knows true faith and fake faith.

4:13 "but all things are open and laid bare" God knows us completely (cf. 1 Sam. 16:7; Ps. 7:9; 33:13-15; 139:1-4; Prov. 16:2; 21:2; 24:12; Jer. 11:20; 17:10; 20:12; Luke 16:15; Acts 1:24; 15:8; Rom. 8:27).

I don't trust my own words, less I bring wrong assumptions and bring dishonor upon the living Christ-let the Scriptures speak.
And do look up the Scripture references.



1) "For the word of God is quick," (zon gar ho logos tou theou) "Because the word of God is living, life-energizing, or life-giving," referring both to Jesus Christ as a person and the word of truth, accompanied by the Holy Spirit, Joh_1:14; 2Ti_3:16-17.

2) "And powerful," (kai eneges) "And operative," works within, within the mind, heart, and emotions of men. It is called the 1) word of cleansing, Joh_15:3; John 2) word of salvation, Act_13:26; Acts 3) word of faith; 4) word of wisdom and knowledge, 1Co_12:8; 1 Corinthians 5) word of reconciliation, 2Co_5:19.

3) "And sharper than any two-edged sword," (kai tomoteros huper pasan machairan) "And sharper beyond (even than) any (every) tow-edged, (two way cutting) sword," separating in distinction between right and wrong, good and bad, moral and immoral, ethical and unethical, the way to heaven and the way to hell, Joh_14:6; Joh_10:1; Joh_10:9; Joh_10:25-30.

4) "Piercing even," (kai diknoumenos) "Even piercing," penetrating, or passing through, by the accompaniment of the Holy Spirit to prick or convict the soul, Act_2:36-37; Act_9:5.

5) "To the dividing asunder of soul and spirit," (achri merismou psuches kai pneumatos) "As far as (or to the point of) a division of soul and of spirit;” causing conflict, trouble, or conviction, cutting conviction, Act_5:33; Act_7:54; Act_24:25.

6) "And of the joints and marrow," (harmon te kai muelon) "Both of joints and marrow," causing soul and body to tremble in fear, Dan_2:2; Dan_4:5; Dan_5:5-6; Act_9:6; Act_16:29.

7) "And is a discerner of the thoughts and intents of the heart," (kai kritikos enthumeseon kai ennoin kardias) "And (it) is able to judge (evaluate) (the) thoughts and intentions of the heart," Mat_12:34; Mar_7:21; Rom_6:17; Rom_10:10; Luk_2:19.

Shalom
J.

 

[Ritajanice]

The Living word of God is in Spirit...his Spirit is everywhere, it’s Alive and Active....waiting to birth his next child in the Spirit....it’s Amazing how his living word penetrates the very heart / soul/ spirit of his new born child...Mind Blowing..my testimony.

I think I’ve said enough on this subject, I love you all and it’s a great pleasure having you all as my Brothers and Sisters..I’m learning so much...catch you all later,xx

 

[Jim B]

Many men have crept into churches . All under the guise of leading them away from the foundation of Christ .
They do so as a friend . they come in as a friend in order to transform from within .
One of peters last letters was , and even after my decease i shall make a way that ye may have these things always in remembrance .
THEY DID TOO . letters were gathered that all could have in order to have those things in remembrance .
Satan knows how to twist scrips . And he knows something else . How to get mans trust out of the scrips
wherein he can lead them into another image of GOD , which aint God at all , its a god that cannot save and an image
of a christ that cannot save . Satan knows how to decieve . The lambs have CHRIST , we shall stay glued
in the scriptures daily . Many hearts desire what they hear today from men who have twisted things
and they will sit under men who do so . But lambs are gonna SIT UNDER CHRIST and stay well dug in the holy bible .
Many sorrows for those whose hearts hungered , not for truth but for the twist . not for the pure and holy words
but for the mix . but lambs shall eat from one pasture alone , THE GREEN HOLY GRASS of ER WORD OF THE LORD .

BLAH, BLAH, BLAH!!! BTW, where I live, men, women, and children walk into churches.

"The lambs have CHRIST , we shall stay glued in the scriptures daily", but if we look for ways to demonize other Christians, then staying glued isn't doing any good. You are chronically filled with hatred and condemnation, so maybe you should pay attention to what the Bible actually says.

And just where is "THE GREEN HOLY GRASS of ER WORD OF THE LORD", the emergency room?

 

[Jim B]

Yet so long as we have a bible , be in it and feasting daily upon it .
I notice more and more are casting aside the dire need of the importance of learning and reading scripture .
They are and have replaced it . God is with the lambs and even in prison and on the run HE is with us .
But so long as we have a bible we need to be dug in it . There are many being led by other spirits
which will speak partital truths and yet are leading them into another direction of another image of GOD and HIS CHRIST .
Get dug deep in that bible . Many of them are within even the very churches who cliam HIS NAME .

You wrote "I notice more and more are casting aside the dire need of the importance of learning and reading scripture ." Exactly where have you noticed this? Please be specific. Otherwise it's just more of your usual condemnation of others.

You ended with "Many of them are within even the very churches who cliam HIS NAME ." How does one "cliam" anything?

 

[Jim B]

My answer is why are so many claiming to hear FROM GOD and yet
they are teaching contrary to the God , to the Christ , to the apostels in the bible .
Yet they make the claim they are testing the spirits . Testing them against what , their emotions and what seems or feels right
OR are they actually testing them spirits against BIBLICAL SOUND DOCTRINE . THAT IS KEY my friend .
Many are fast perishing from lack of knowledge . And the many i speak of are coming from within even Churches themselves .
We better make SURE ITS JESUS , ITS GOD WE ARE FOLLOWING . ONE WAY TO DO THAT .
Man dont live by bread alone , BUT BY EVERY WORD OF GOD . We better get dug in those bibles
and find out exactly WHO or what we been following .

Blah, blah, blah!

You, of course, never teach what is contrary to God and Christ. LOL!!! They teach "love your neighbor as yourself", but you teach to judge and condemn your neighbor, even if s/he is Christian. SO YOU TEACH THE EXACT OPPOSITE OF WHAT GOD AND CHRIST TEACH!

You write "Many are fast perishing from lack of knowledge . And the many i speak of are coming from within even Churches themselves ." MORE CONDEMNATION OF THOSE WHOM CHRIST HAS ACCEPTED AS HIS OWN! Who are you to judge Christ's lambs???

YOU need to read your Bible and see whom you have been following!

 

[Ritajanice]

I don't trust my own words, less I bring wrong assumptions and bring dishonor upon the living Christ-let the Scriptures speak.
And do look up the Scripture references

The scriptures are speaking to our spirit/ heart, how else would we understand what it’s saying to our spirit?

What is the scripture I posted saying to your spirit?

That’s all I asked.

I don’t understand any of the scripture you post...it’s not speaking to my spirit..of course it’s the word of God, but that particular scripture I’m not understanding....

If you post it, you should also be able to interpret it?

 

[Johann]

The scriptures are speaking to our spirit/ heart, how else would we understand what it’s saying to our spirit?

What is the scripture I posted saying to your spirit?

That’s all I asked.

I don’t understand any of the scripture you post...it’s not speaking to my spirit..of course it’s the word of God, but that particular scripture I’m not understanding....

If you post it, you should also be able to interpret it?

Just one question-if I may.
How long have you been born again? Over 30 years?

 

[Ritajanice]

Just one question-if I may.
How long have you been born again? Over 30 years?

Yes, that’s correct...and it’s taken me years to grow and mature in Christ, why, because he had so much baggage in me to deal with...before I could ever start to understand his living word...I was a complete and utter mess, when God birthed me in the Spirit....he healed my broken heart...and has undone so much of my false teachings...in other words the renewing of our minds...God has worked miracles in me and I Praise His Holy Name.

My testimony is always to,Glorify God..

We all need to be honest and that makes us feel vulnerable...I don’t feel vulnerable anymore, what ever I believe God places on my heart to say, I will say it, hopefully in Love and respect for each other...that is my opinion and belief..it’s not biblical.

 

[Ritajanice]

Just one question-if I may.
How long have you been born again? Over 30 years?

May I ask how long you have been born again,Johann?

 

[Johann]

Yes, that’s correct...and it’s taken me years to grow and mature in Christ, why, because he had so much baggage in me to deal with...before I could ever start to understand his living word...I was a complete and utter mess, when God birthed me in the Spirit....he healed my broken heart...and has undone so much of my false teachings...in other words the renewing of our minds...God has worked miracles in me and I Praise His Holy Name.

My testimony is always to,Glorify God..

We all need to be honest and that makes us feel vulnerable...I don’t feel vulnerable anymore, what ever I believe God places on my heart to say, I will say it, hopefully in Love and respect for each other...that is my opinion and belief..it’s not biblical.

Listen to this

 

[Johann]

May I ask how long you have been born again,Johann?

Same as you, over 30 years.

 

[Ritajanice]

Listen to this

I have listened to some of it, I understand what’s he’s saying so far about the flesh, the renewing of our minds..very good and well explained so far..

I will listen to the rest, then get back to you, thanks for posting Johann, I do hope others are encouraged to listen to it as well....I’m taking a break, as I’m pretty tired at the moment..God Bless You Brother and thank you again for posting that vid.

 

[Behold]

You err @Behold -I think you are into quietism or passivism-that we as believers have nothing to do, what are the Imperatives?

If you can earn you Salvation or work your way into heaven, the Jesus wasted His time on the Cross dying for you, didnt He?
Do you think He did?

Or is it that you are not understanding Salvation?

 

[Behold]

brother-after our rebirth, it is not "at ease in Zion" passivism, quitism, Hyper-Grace and Word of Faith-
There's WORK to be done for every believer-

"present your body a living sacrifice".....every day.

But, here is the thing...

We work because we ARE saved.... not to try to be saved or to stay saved.

God accepts no person's self effort to save them, or to keep them.

 

[Ritajanice]

Wahoooo!!...we have our Behold back..the voice of reason..LOL

 

[Behold]

No brother-
Jas 1:22 But be ye doers of the word, and not hearers only, deceiving your own selves.

I am a doer of the word.
You'd be surprised to know how much "word" i do.

But what i dont do, is teach that doing is what God accepts to save you, or keep you saved.

See, im not that Heretic.
Im the Person that teaches Paul's Gospel of Grace.

God saved us....= "when we are yet a sinner"...... and He keeps us saved the same way He saved us.

= The Cross of Christ.

 

[Behold]

@Behold-answer to the whole post-don't take excerpts, as here.
Unlike you-I don't hold to "sinless perfection" and you really need to count the Imperatives recorded in the Pauline epistles brother.
There are 1,050 commands in the New Testament for Christians to obey.

What i do is just let Christ love through me.

That is how Paul explains...>" It is not I who live, but it is Christ who lives in me"...

I hope that one day your Christianity is not based on you trying to keep lists., but instead you just rest in God's Grace and Let Jesus love through you.

 

[Behold]

but keep in mind, those whom he rejected believed in him so much they were able to do works

The Devil and all the fallen angel believe in Jesus.

Everyone who went to Hell, this last 2000 yrs since the Cross, including those who are in Hell today.........that just died and went........all believe in Jesus......now.

Do you want to go to Heaven?

The you have to do this...

Jesus said...."You must be born again".

If you are not, and even if you had a good solid head knowledge of Christ...... you will go to Hell.
Why?
Because your spiritual father is not GOD.
See, to be born again........means...... you change spiritual fathers...

So, the people in hell, went to their spiritual father.

The BORN AGAIN, went to the Father of Jesus.