Books Outside the Bible

[CoreIssue]

Stop putting so much stock in the RCC.

Matthew 5:18 New International Version (NIV)
18 For truly I tell you, until heaven and earth disappear, not the smallest letter, not the least stroke of a pen, will by any means disappear from the Law until everything is accomplished.

 

[BreadOfLife]

Stop putting so much stock in the RCC.

Matthew 5:18 New International Version (NIV)
18 For truly I tell you, until heaven and earth disappear, not the smallest letter, not the least stroke of a pen, will by any means disappear from the Law until everything is accomplished.

Then stop erroneously referring to the Catholic Church as the "RCC".
There is NO such Church as the "Roman Catholic" Church.

"Roman" (Latin) simply refers to the RITE - of which there are 20 that comprise the Catholic Church.
ALL are in full communion with each other and with the Bishop of Rome - the Pope.

By the way - Jesus identified His very SELF with His Church (Acts 9:4-5) . . .

 

[CoreIssue]

The Vulgate is not from God.

The Apocrypha was not written by the Prophets or Apostles.

 

[CoreIssue]

Then stop erroneously referring to the Catholic Church as the "RCC".
There is NO such Church as the "Roman Catholic" Church.

"Roman" (Latin) simply refers to the RITE - of which there are 20 that comprise the Catholic Church.
ALL are in full communion with each other and with the Bishop of Rome - the Pope.

Yes, there is.

roman catholic church at DuckDuckGo

 

[BreadOfLife]

The Vulgate is not from God.
The Apocrypha was not written by the Prophets or Apostles.

Who wrote Job?
He is NOT on the list of Prophets. Is Job canonical??

You're correct about the Apocryphal Books not being canonical.
HOWEVER - the 7 Deuterocanonical Books thet Luther rejected were part of the OPEN Jewish Canon of the 1st century. They were Books that Jesus and the Apostles studied from. As a matter of fact - there are over 200 references, quotes and allusions to these 7 Books on the pages of the New Testament.

These Books weren't removed until the Jewish Canon was closed - LONG AFTER the death, resurrection and ascension of Christ - and AFTER the destruction of the Temple in AD 70.

So, YOUR Protestant Canon is a POST-Christ, POST-Temple Canon.

 

[BreadOfLife]

Yes, there is.

roman catholic church at DuckDuckGo

Uhhh, NO, there's not.
The official name of the Catholic Church is . . . "The Catholic Church".

There is the Roman RITE, the Melkite RITE, the Byzantine RITE, Coptic RITE, Maronite RITE, etc.
ALL of these Churches are part of the ONE Catholic Church - and NOT all are "Roman" or "Latin".

do your homework, son . . .

 

[BreadOfLife]

An educated Catholic - an anti-Catholic's WORST nightmare . . .

 

[larry2]

An educated Catholic - an anti-Catholic's WORST nightmare . . .

May I ask why? and do you mind questions from me concerning your dogma?
I do not consider myself anti-Catholic.
To begin with, are you saved & why?
Thanks in Jesus' name.

 

[BreadOfLife]

May I ask why? and do you mind questions from me concerning your dogma?
I do not consider myself anti-Catholic.
To begin with, are you saved & why?
Thanks in Jesus' name.

Because it is easy and fun to spread LIES about the Catholic Church - but quite another kettle of fish to have to PROVE those lies when confronted by an educated Catholic.

As for Salvation - I believe what Scripture teaches about salvation - in context.
It is NOT a one-time, slam dunk event - but a process . . .

The Scriptures assure us that we as Christians are ALREADY SAVED (Rom. 5:1, 8:24, Eph. 2:5–8)
This is Initial Salvation – God give us the initial grace to believe.

However, because Salvation is a LIFELONG process – it ALSO says that I am BEING SAVED (1 Cor. 1:8, 2 Cor. 2:15, 7:1, Phil. 2:12, Heb 12:14).
This is Ongoing Sanctification – God is sanctifying us throughout our life as we cooperate with his grace.

Because of this, I have the hope that I WILL BE SAVED (Matt. 24:13, Rom. 5:9–10, 1 Cor. 3:12–15).
This is Final Sanctification/Salvation – We die and go to heaven having endured to the end.

 

[CoreIssue]

Who wrote Job?
He is NOT on the list of Prophets. Is Job canonical??

You're correct about the Apocryphal Books not being canonical.
HOWEVER - the 7 Deuterocanonical Books thet Luther rejected were part of the OPEN Jewish Canon of the 1st century. They were Books that Jesus and the Apostles studied from. As a matter of fact - there are over 200 references, quotes and allusions to these 7 Books on the pages of the New Testament.

These Books weren't removed until the Jewish Canon was closed - LONG AFTER the death, resurrection and ascension of Christ - and AFTER the destruction of the Temple in AD 70.

So, YOUR Protestant Canon is a POST-Christ, POST-Temple Canon.

No, they were not

Reasons why the Apocrypha does NOT belong in the Bible!

 

[CoreIssue]

THE CANON OF THE OLD TESTAMENT

1st Century on Judaism is Apostate

 

[larry2]

As for Salvation - I believe what Scripture teaches about salvation - in context.
It is NOT a one-time, slam dunk event - but a process . . .

Hi BreadOfLife, thanks for your reply. I reckon right off we’re talking different contexts of certain scripture such as with Mat 24:13. But he that shall endure unto the end, the same shall be saved.

To me Mathew chapter 24 is speaking of a time of the coming tribulation, even the time of the abomination of desolation standing in the holy place; that is attempting to take God’s place. Those that endure unto the end will be a physical deliverance in order to enter the millennial reign of Jesus.

And then during that time will be the time of Mat 24:14 And this gospel of the kingdom shall be preached in all the world for a witness unto all nations, and that too goes hand in hand with Mat 28:19 Go ye therefore, and teach all nations, baptizing them in the name of the Father, and of the Son, and of the Holy Ghost:

I do like your reference to Eph 2:5-8.

The big question is: are you presently convinced you have eternal, or conditional life right now. I just posted the following description of what salvation is to me; do you find it unconventional to your Catholic doctrine?
SALVATION

 

[CoreIssue]

Attaining Salvation in Roman Catholicism | CARM.org

 

[Prayer Warrior]

Unfortunately - MANY people claim to do this - to the tune of tend of thousands of disjointed and perpetually-splintering Protestant sects - ALL teaching different doctrines yet ALL claiming they were "led" there by the Holy Spirit.

Jesus left a Church to teach the world - NOT a book or the different opinions or feelings of individuals.

The Catholic Church has done some "splintering" of its own, or should I call it "schism-ing"? It's true that there are way too many Protestant denominations, but I believe that this will change.

Protestant churches agree on the essentials of biblical doctrine, but some Catholic dogma clearly departs from biblical doctrine. Protestants are taught to look to the Bible and the Holy Spirit as our source of guidance as to how we should live as Christians. Believe it or not, when we're in the Spirit, there is unity! Catholics are taught to look to the Bible (possibly), other "sacred" writings, and a mere man who claims infallibility, which is their source of unity. I apologize if this offends anyone, but I don't believe there are any infallible men except one--Jesus Christ!

I grew up in a predominately Catholic city. Some of my closest friends were Catholic. One thing I noticed is that the Catholics I knew tended to look at Catholicism as just a religion--something to be observed at church, but not necessarily something to live out 24/7/365. Also, their religion was important to them, but they didn't seem to have a personal relationship with Jesus Christ. Of course, Protestant churches are filled with those who don't have this relationship either, but I've known many Protestants who do.

This probably sounds cliche, but that relationship is what matters most to me. I literally could not live and breathe without Jesus! He is everything to me. He is my life! I believe that He wants everyone to know His love and to know HIM in a very personal way.

 

[farouk]

The point is practising Acts 2.42 at a local level, not trying to achieve some huge organizational conglomeration.

 

[CoreIssue]

The point is practising Acts 2.42 at a local level, not trying to achieve some huge organizational conglomeration.

Denominationlism is wrong per Paul.

 

[CoreIssue]

Uhhh, NO, there's not.
The official name of the Catholic Church is . . . "The Catholic Church".

There is the Roman RITE, the Melkite RITE, the Byzantine RITE, Coptic RITE, Maronite RITE, etc.
ALL of these Churches are part of the ONE Catholic Church - and NOT all are "Roman" or "Latin".

do your homework, son . . .

I have and I may be older than you.

 

[LC627]

The Catholic Church has done some "splintering" of its own, or should I call it "schism-ing"? It's true that there are way too many Protestant denominations, but I believe that this will change.

Protestant churches agree on the essentials of biblical doctrine, but some Catholic dogma clearly departs from biblical doctrine. Protestants are taught to look to the Bible and the Holy Spirit as our source of guidance as to how we should live as Christians. Believe it or not, when we're in the Spirit, there is unity! Catholics are taught to look to the Bible (possibly), other "sacred" writings, and a mere man who claims infallibility, which is their source of unity. I apologize if this offends anyone, but I don't believe there are any infallible men except one--Jesus Christ!

I grew up in a predominately Catholic city. Some of my closest friends were Catholic. One thing I noticed is that the Catholics I knew tended to look at Catholicism as just a religion--something to be observed at church, but not necessarily something to live out 24/7/365. Also, their religion was important to them, but they didn't seem to have a personal relationship with Jesus Christ. Of course, Protestant churches are filled with those who don't have this relationship either, but I've known many Protestants who do.

This probably sounds cliche, but that relationship is what matters most to me. I literally could not live and breathe without Jesus! He is everything to me. He is my life! I believe that He wants everyone to know His love and to know HIM in a very personal way.

Well said!
The Pope needs Jesus just as much as the rest of mankind; infallibility as humans is simply a delusion.
Exalt Christ - The one and only Mediator! Our Great High Priest.

 

[Prayer Warrior]

Denominationlism is wrong per Paul.

Amen to that! BTW, welcome to the forum, CoreIssue!

 

[Prayer Warrior]

Well said!
The Pope needs Jesus just as much as the rest of mankind; infallibility as humans is simply a delusion.
Exalt Christ - The one and only Mediator! Our Great High Priest.

aha! We agree! :)